IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 31 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<vagrantc>
ooops.
00:02
i forgot to push ldm-trunk till just now...
00:02
sorry folks
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00:14
<cyberorg>
hi vagrantc , what's new in ldm-trunk?
00:15
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: well, i just tagged a new version. only thing new since the previous version was a translation for greek
00:18
cyberorg: i didn't commit it to ldm-trunk, but i also applied the patch from: http://bugs.debian.org/482553
00:19
that partially addresses password expiry on debian ... not sure about other distros
00:19
since it's dependent on text spit out of the ssh session ... and apparently there's some different text for each distro
00:24
<cyberorg>
ok, nothing exciting as new ask-pass method :)
00:24
<vagrantc>
no, that will take a lot of work.
00:25
i'll start entering my "conservative changes only" mode in the next couple months.
00:26
<cyberorg>
ok, hopefully gbolte and his team can come up with something useful
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<Deadpan110>
...anyways... hello all... ima prolly pop in n out fer a while.... ima havin probs gettin local devices to werk in ubuntu hardy o_O
00:42
...and on that note... client image rebuilt... so ima reboot this n then log in on mah server... bbs
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<Deadpan110>
...ok... does anyone have a more detailed howto fer me to follow so I can check everythin fer mounting local devices... i fail on step 4 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
00:57
...it seems that the local mount point in /tmp is missing
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<jammcq>
g'morning kidz
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11:36
<alkisg>
vagrantc, hi, can I somehow install Debian (sid) ldm in Ubuntu hardy, in order to try the newer version?
11:38
<vagrantc>
alkisg: you can t ry it, but i doubt if it will work- the packages in sid and lenny depend on files that may not be present in hardy's ltsp.
11:40
<alkisg>
should I try only overwriting the binary in the ltsp image, or the classic way (uninstall - install deb)?
11:40
btw, dnsmasq 2.42 is out, it solves the problem of lts.conf not transferring (=netascii mode)
11:40
<vagrantc>
definitely use the package.
11:40
cool!
11:40
<alkisg>
Thanks! Sorry for my ignorance! :)
11:42
<vagrantc>
i was thinking about patching our ltsp scripts to download the lts.conf in binary mode, but if newer dnsmasq supports ascii, there's really no need.
11:43
<alkisg>
I've had some problems of dnsmasq not replying, though
11:43
<johnny>
yay!
11:43
<alkisg>
I've temporarily switched back to dhcp3-server, but it was worse, it crashed for bootp clients
11:44
So I'm back to dnsmasq and waiting for the new packages! :)
11:45
johnny, thanks for the tip, it was worth the fuss of switching!
11:45
<johnny>
i spent quite some time to get it right.. nobody helped me out :)
11:46
glad i could help others
11:46
<vagrantc>
some time on what?
11:46
<johnny>
when i first started using dnsmasq for ltsp , i spent alot of time tweaking my config to work
11:46
and i didn't really know what i was doing at the time
11:46
<vagrantc>
the example oin the source didn't work?
11:46
<johnny>
and dhcpd was the only thing supported
11:47
since nobody else was using it in this room at that time period
11:47
vagrantc, i found the example elsewhere on the internet, but that didn't work right away
11:47
<vagrantc>
i used to use it, and just recently updated the example in ltsp-trunk
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<johnny>
this was last october ish
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11:48
<vagrantc>
well, i was using dnsmasq in late 2006ish
11:48
<alkisg>
´╗┐The one thing I didn't manage with either of the dhcp servers, was to pass kernel options to nbi.img (etherboot)... I followed debian's docs, but couldn't do it. So I just served them pxelinux.0 and everything OK, my lab now works flowlessly with 2 dhcp servers (1 = ubuntu, 2 = router).
11:48
<vagrantc>
and the example has been there ...
11:48
i just recently added tftp related stuff to it
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: you basically have to embed the bootprompt options for nbi.img in the nbi.img itself.
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11:50
<alkisg>
vagrantc, supposedly you just configure the dhcp server to pass option-128 = etherboot signature and option-129=kernel options. It's documented in debian.org, don't have the link handy, I can search...
11:50
<vagrantc>
alkisg: oh yeah, that stuff ... haven't used that in aeons.
11:51
<alkisg>
But it works fine by serving pxelinux.0 to etherboot clients, I don't know why we need nbi.img then...
11:52
<vagrantc>
because only recent versions of etherboot support PXE
11:52
<alkisg>
My boot disk is from 2005...
11:52
Not gpxe, just plain etherboot.
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11:53
<vagrantc>
yeah, etherboot has had pxe support for years, but people still regularly come in here with clients that don't support PXE
11:54
it's not just the version- you can build etherboot without PXE support, and people do.
11:54
<alkisg>
Oh, I see. Why doesn't somebody shoot them? :P
11:54
<vagrantc>
i'd prefer using my bare hands.
11:54
<alkisg>
OK, they might have another pxe server, I was just joking
11:55
<johnny>
vagrantc, been a bit more aggro lately huh...
11:57
<alkisg>
vagrantc, I also found a bug in XKBOPTIONS, there's an error in configure-x.sh and they don't get default values from console-setup, resulting in clients not being able to switch languages, I guess this affects debian also? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/173067
11:58
<johnny>
alkisg, it's hard to assume that, hardy's ltsp is much out of date
11:59
<alkisg>
johnny, in summer I'll have time and I'll also try Debian. I've been using it in the past, but the pilot program that my school participated in forced us to use Ubuntu...
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12:00
<johnny>
well ubuntu isn't a bad thing
12:00
i'm using it just fine.. but then again. i'm willing to fix my own bugs
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<alkisg>
If it's easy for typical teachers to set-up, I'll switch, it'll be easier for me because I can download greek language support in DVDs without depending on an ADSL connection at school...
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<alkisg>
I'm also willing to fix bugs, I'm experienced as a programmer, but I've been at a loss as for where to report them! I'd really like a tutorial for how things work in cooperation between distros, upstream etc
12:02
(report = with patches)
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<alkisg>
Ubuntu is fine, I haven't used another distro recently, but it had the best install experience I've ever seen in Linux.
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<ace_suares>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot`>
ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <ogra> then it can sync dynamically
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15:48
<empiric>
hi all i want to install ltsp5 on ubuntu with nfs not with nbd what should i do
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<empiric>
guys?
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16:28
<ace_suares>
what would be a good way to get users/passwords synchronized on a vm ? NIS ?
16:29
<johnny>
lol nis..
16:29
<ace_suares>
so not nis !?
16:29
<sepski>
ace_suares, nis is outdated ldap usualy
16:29
<ace_suares>
i think of ldap but hey
16:29
lots' of unclear stuff, bad docs
16:29
<sepski>
or just sync the files if that's sufficient
16:30
<ace_suares>
hmm i tought of that
16:30
but root and all the system users would have to be there too then
16:30
<sepski>
ace_suares, if it's a lot of users. and it's going to change now and then use ldap (libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap)
16:30
<ace_suares>
or maybe just grep for some group and >> /etc/passwd ?? etc shadow ?
16:30
<sepski>
ace_suares, yes it would be tricky
16:31
<ace_suares>
i run a vm that connects to the host with nfs but is there anything better then nfs ? sshfs ?
16:32
http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=25&news_id=212#news-top
16:34
<sepski>
better is usualy more expencive like a SAN solution.
16:34
you could try iscsi
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<ace_suares>
iscsi ? it's a VM !
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<slappy>
I need umask for a specific group. Someone suggest me PAM (/etc/pam.d/) . Does anyone here knows about PAM ? Is it a good solution?
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<slappy>
I found the info. Do I have to remove the umask in /etc/profile; ~/.profile; /etc/login.defs ? Thanks
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<slappy>
Maybe the way I understand my problem is wrong... I wanted all users of a group who shares a folder to have similar permissions on file creation (rw-rw----). That's why I thought a umask (002) for a specific group would be a great solution (even better if use with PAM). Is there any other way to solve my problem?
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