IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 October 2015   (all times are UTC)

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12:33
<markit>
work_alkisg: hi, how are you? You have recentrly fixed a bug I reported about shell assistance in Epoptes, thanks (#1117158)
12:34
urgh, my client is slow in reporting user's status
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<work_alkisg>
hi markit
12:47
is it working in kde now?
13:04
<markit>
work_alkisg: not yet tested :)
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<markit>
is it already in your repo packages?
13:05work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
13:05
<alkisg>
markit: yes, it's in the stable epoptes ppa
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<markit>
fine. I don't know how will be the future in "my" schools, the former "chief" ("school's "president"") has been transferred, and while we are waiting for the new one, a new professor from another school teaches here now, and he is a "windows everywhere" gui
13:06
guy
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so I've bad feelings about the FOSS future of the school
13:07* alkisg wishes good luck to markit :)
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<alkisg>
I don't mind at all about windows etc, if they have the money to give licenses to all teachers and students...
13:07
At theirs homes as well, so that they can studey
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*study
13:08
<markit>
for me is not about money, but teach students tech freedom
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<alkisg>
automobiles were never free, I don't mind about that
13:08
It's good to have something to base new work on
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But it's not necessary
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<markit>
and in any case, you have to subtract money from other stuff if you want to buy licenses (M$ gives it for a cheap price to schools)
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<alkisg>
But equal chances in education for me is absolutely necessary
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<markit>
so better use windows since everyone has?
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<alkisg>
It's not only about schools
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Does MS give it for free for students to install it to their homes?
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In some universities, it does
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<markit>
here too
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<alkisg>
If it did in all of the education, (along with all the other necessary programs), then I wouldn't mind
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But here no, we all have to pay
13:10
<markit>
national agreement with universities
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<alkisg>
Primary and secondary schools need 150€ for windows, 200 for office etc, per seat
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<markit>
so the day M$ will give it for free, you will abandon ltsp
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<alkisg>
Students and teachers as well
13:10
I didn't say that
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I said that it was a requiement for me
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<markit>
impossible, M$ wants you to become addicted to their products
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<alkisg>
There are other variables before I decide
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<markit>
they offere "educational licenses discount"
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for schools and home, AFAIK
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<alkisg>
Like, can I redistribute it? Can I base some new work on top of it? Etc
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But the `equal chances in education` is a requirement for me, not negotiable
13:12
<markit>
alkisg: but your students and teachers probably are not able to have GNU/linux at home, they have windows and M$ Office (maybe pirated)
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<alkisg>
In my city things changed :)
13:12
Now we have 90% of schools with ltsp
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(primary and secondary)
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<markit>
I hear this objection from teachers here: I don't know kde, I've M$ at home
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<alkisg>
So the teachers have also installed linux at home
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<markit>
alkisg: yep, but average teacher can't install neither libreoffice in M$ windows
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at least here
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you figure a new OS
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<alkisg>
They can install office but not libreoffice?
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<markit>
also UEFI does not help at all
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no, they have M$ office oem installed, or a friend of them installing a pirated copy
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<alkisg>
The friend can install libreoffice
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<markit>
or in any case, is a matter of insert the CD and press "go"
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I know, but is just an excuses
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<alkisg>
I never saw installation being an issue for office suites
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<markit>
and they know M$office, not libreoffice
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and also, is better have for free a 400$ office than have for free a 0$ libreoffice
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don't you knoe? ;P
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know
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there is a little story very interesting about psycology
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<alkisg>
We don't have such immature excuses here, no
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<markit>
one had a refrigerator working but buyed a bigger one
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so put the "old" one in the garden with a table saying
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"take, it's free"
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after 10 days the refrigerator was still there, no one picked it up
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then changed the table with this writing
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<alkisg>
Here they would pick it up in 10 seconds :)
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<markit>
"200$ price"
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the day after some took it
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aren't all greek pc sold with M$ OS preinstalled?
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and with M$Office pirated?
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then you ask someone to change his habbit installing Libreoffice
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or also GNU/Linux and all different set of programs
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no way
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now Vista10 has a interface more similar to Win7, so there is less shock than it was with Win8
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3 days ago I talked with a teacher of italian literature, I talked about using libreoffice. He asked "does word of libreoffice have the "eraser" to erase cell borders?"
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I replied "no, AFAIK"
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and he "oh, what a pity, I need it, sorry"
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so he can't teach with LibreOffice :(
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but seems that if you give them libo you are attaccking their own life, their God, their religion
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I'm shocked about the defensive reaction I get
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but I read a lot in forums and discussions below articles attitudes like that
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the Apple or M$ fanboy
13:28* alkisg surely doesn't need to be convinced about the floss benefits, but he wishes markit can persuade the school teachers, the headmaster etc
13:28
<alkisg>
Kids call, later!
13:30
<markit>
alkisg: thanks :)
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21:54
<vagrantc>
hrm.
21:54
still haven't gotten LTSP uploaded.
21:54* vagrantc wonders what that means for ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
the last thing i really need to fix is encrypted swap