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Channel log from 18 December 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<bails>
hi all I'm still having problems building lbe on debian unstable
04:03
<vagrantc>
bails: want to try ltsp 5.0 instead?
04:03
<bails>
well actually all i really want is an ltsp_kernel_kit
04:04
I need to build a custom kernel for some pita thin clients
04:04
<vagrantc>
well, with ltsp 5.0 you can use the kernel from debian.
04:04
<bails>
with no mknbe needed?
04:04
mknbi rather
04:04
<vagrantc>
unmodified. though if the debian kernel doesn't support your thin clients, then it won't work.
04:05
if you have PXE boot, you don't need to use mknbi...
04:05
<bails>
well i guess i could give it a go
04:05
no pxe on these I'm afraid
04:07
<vagrantc>
the basic jist is: apt-get install ltsp-server ; ltsp-build-client
04:07
but if there's an /opt/ltsp/ARCH, you might want to move it out of the way first.
04:07
and you might want to use --mirror to specify your debian mirror.
04:07
<bails>
and i guess i need a line for sources.list to achieve this
04:08
<vagrantc>
it's integrated into debian unstable.
04:08
or etch, if you prefer testing.
04:08
<bails>
I'll give it a go
04:09
<vagrantc>
it essentially builds an LTSP environment out of debian packages.
04:30
<bails>
vagrantc, Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_i386.deb
04:31
<vagrantc>
that sounds like a bug in debootstrap
04:34
<bails>
dpkg: base-files: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request:
04:34
base-files depends on awk; however:
04:34
Package awk is not installed.
04:35
vagrantc, I guess awk needs to be installed in the tree at /opt/ltsp/i386
04:35
<vagrantc>
bails: you might have better luck with --dist etch
04:35
becuase unstable is... well... unstable :)
04:36
<bails>
like this? apt-get install ltsp-server --dist etch ; ltsp-build-client
04:36
<vagrantc>
no
04:36
ltsp-build-client --dist etch
04:36
<bails>
ok cheers
04:37
<vagrantc>
i'm just guessing it's a problem with package dependencies in unstable- that's the most common problem.
04:37
<bails>
ok np
04:38
<vagrantc>
another problem sometimes is out of date mirrors.
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<bails>
vagrantc, is there any docs for ltsp5 yet?
05:33
<vagrantc>
bails: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server
05:33
<bails>
ta
05:34
<vagrantc>
granted, it's far from complete
05:35
<bails>
no problem i just feel the need to read
05:36
<vagrantc>
there's also man pages for ltsp-build-client and some of the other stuff
05:36
and ltsp-build-client --help
05:36
<bails>
great thanks
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<Darke-_>
hmm
06:01
i have to run ltsp-build-client ?
06:02
<vagrantc>
Darke-_: well, on a debian/etch/sid or ubuntu machine, that is what i would recommend.
06:02
<Darke-_>
since there is already a filesystem for the clients from scratch
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<Darke-_>
vagrantc: ok
06:02
well the client now boots perfectly
06:03
cant log in doe, fixed that on SLES and ltsp4 by configure the gdm.conf a bit.
06:03
but since its using ldm here
06:03
with edubuntu 6.10 and ltsp5
06:04
im not sure what to do really
06:04
vagrantc: any clues ?
06:05
<vagrantc>
Darke-_: maybe run ltsp-update-sshkeys
06:05
<Darke-_>
did
06:05
returns nothing doe
06:05
<vagrantc>
"doe" ?
06:05
<Darke-_>
:P
06:05
<vagrantc>
well, after running ltsp-update-sshkeys, did you try logging in again?
06:06
<Darke-_>
yes, i did.
06:06
<bails>
cheers for the help vagrantc
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06:06* vagrantc thanks bails, but is too slow.
06:06
<vagrantc>
Darke-_: is sshd running on your server? grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
06:07
<Darke-_>
returned nothing
06:07
im just a bit confused ;) this time i tried doing nothing
06:08
since i learned with ltsp5 and edubuntu it should work out of the box
06:08
oh well
06:08
X11Fowarding yes
06:08
Forwarding*
06:11
<vagrantc>
Darke-_: so, the ldm login screen comes up, you type a vvalid user name and valid password, and you're unable to log in?
06:11
<Darke-_>
Correct
06:11
<vagrantc>
can you ssh into your server normally?
06:11
like, from another machine?
06:11
<Darke-_>
one sec
06:12
<ogra>
vagrantc, hey, i saw the bug about the boolean handling ... wow, were we blind :)
06:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: i bet i wrote it properly in my test cases, but when i committed to bzr i mucked it up.
06:13
luckily the workaround can simply be: use lower case. :)
06:13
<ogra>
well, we both looked at it several times i think :)
06:14
<Darke-_>
have to rearange a few things, got no other machine in that network atm :P Since ogra wanted me to run it out of the box with dhcp and all that
06:14
<vagrantc>
Darke-_: ogra's your ubuntu ltsp guru. :)
06:14* vagrantc passes the buck
06:14
<Darke-_>
but coulnt in the exisiting network.. cuz we already have a running dhcp pxe server etc
06:15
and i had the ltsp server on vmware.. so it had to be in that network :) but now i made a lil lab network with 1 server and one client.
06:15
but ill try ssh any sec on.
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<Darke-_>
vagrantc: yes
06:19
it works
06:20
as i said, last time i changed a few tings in gdm.conf.. but thats with gdm and ltsp4 so..
06:20
<vagrantc>
yes, gdm is not used at all for this.
06:20
all LDM is is a wrapper around "ssh -X" really.
06:21
so ... try "ssh -X xeyes"
06:21
<Darke-_>
i havnt ran build client script but.. since its edubuntu 6.10 i should not have to do that.
06:21
<vagrantc>
Darke-_: what's in the /opt/ltsp directory?
06:22
<Darke-_>
an i386 filesystem
06:24
hmm, i could log on as root now oO
06:24
well that means its working :P ill have a look on it.
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06:37
<Darke-_>
ogra: what do i need to do in order to get the sound to play localy ?
06:38
(on the client, rather then the server)
06:40* vagrantc thinks setting SOUND=True in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf should work.
06:40
<ogra>
cp /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
06:40
<Darke-_>
ok, ill check it out.
06:40
<ogra>
err
06:40
<Darke-_>
oO
06:40
<ogra>
sudo cp /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
06:40
;)
06:40
<Darke-_>
;P
06:40* vagrantc defers to ogra
06:40
<ogra>
or even better: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork
06:40
<vagrantc>
ogra: why on earth is that in an edubuntu-artwork directory? :P
06:41
<Darke-_>
yea :P
06:41
<ogra>
edubuntu-artwork is also the edubuntu-settings package, i'm about to split them
06:41
<Darke-_>
and simply just reconnect the client ?
06:41
<ogra>
the changes to the settings were to minor until edgy to justify a complete package
06:41
reboot the client
06:42
it sets the bootsplash and ldm themes as well
06:43
<vagrantc>
ok, well that's enough pleading with all the translators to update the ltsp translations for one day... :)
06:45
<ogra>
vagrantc, http://www.netsplit.com/blog/articles/2006/12/14/upstart-0-3 ;)
06:45* vagrantc is almost unable to think clearly anymore
06:46
<ogra>
just keep the bookmark
06:46
it explains the upstart syntax
06:46
<vagrantc>
ah, i saw that on planet.debian.net
06:46
<ogra>
oh207, i thought Keybug left debian ...
06:46
intresting that they keep his blog :)
06:47
<vagrantc>
maybe it only gets removed if requested...
06:47
<ogra>
intresting ...
06:47* vagrantc jus recently started reading it
06:47
<jammcq>
ogra: Good morning
06:47
and good morning to vagranc too
06:47
<ogra>
hey jammcq
06:48
<vagrantc>
the roosters are calling ... but sunrise is still a bit off, methinks.
06:48
<jammcq>
oooh, it's early for vagrantc
06:48
<vagrantc>
more accurately, it's really, really late.
06:49
<jammcq>
heh
06:49
<ogra>
*g*
06:50
<Darke-_>
ogra: well the sound was played localy before when it comes to OS sounds.
06:51
But the potato guy still plays its sounds on the server
06:51
:D
06:51
(the kid game)
06:51
<ogra>
OS sounds and every default app (totem/rhythmbox) should use local sound ...
06:52
the potato guy is a KDE app, you need to set KDE to use esd in kcontrol ...
06:52
<Darke-_>
=P
06:52
will do, must play potato guy :)
06:53
<ogra>
heh
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<str4nd>
hmm, how long takes edgy+ltsp5 install?
06:59
not upgrade
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<cliebow_>
gogle.com
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<cliebow_>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:21
<PMantis>
Jimmy
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<efra>
Morning everybody
10:01
<Petaris>
morning efra
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<joebaker>
For Ubuntu LTSP servers is it better to stay with the latest LTS release or the latest 6 month release? I'm thinking that for a desktop OS it is better to go with the latest 6 month release.
11:52
Googling showed me that LTS (long term support) releases about every 3-4 normal releases or about every 2-3 years.
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<Psych0>
hi there
12:19
i'm creating a script rule to make the server backup.. i wanna know if there is a way to display a message on a specific terminal when it's done....
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<mrlinux>
how do i check what ip's my dhcp server is leasing
12:36
<Psych0>
nobody knows how to display a message on a specific TC?
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<sbalneav>
I DID IT!!!!
12:43
I upgraded an entire provice in 3 weeks.
12:43
<Petaris>
sbalneav: way to go
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<raroth42>
hi all, I've just set up a Edubuntu ltsp server - and it won't let me log in from a client - i get the log in screen, but then a little x-hair mouse cursor on a black screen and then back to the login screen - any ideas?
15:05
<LordVorp>
can't launch the window manager?
15:05
<raroth42>
could well be - get the x-hair, then a little clock icon, then back to the login
15:05
<vagrantc>
raroth42: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
15:05
raroth42: and then try to log in again
15:06
<raroth42>
back in a moment...
15:08
vagrantc - thank you - I'll write up my adventures on the wiki :-)
15:08* vagrantc tries
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<vagrantc>
!topics
15:09
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
15:09
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
15:09
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', and 'ubuntuquick'
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<vagrantc>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org
15:10* vagrantc contemplates what to teach ltspbot for the ubuntu login problem
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<raroth41>
ok - server working beautifully - thanks :-) I have strange office to sort and they seem to delight in using shared email boxes... Can anyone point me to somewhere that I can find out how to configure email delivery to multiple users?
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<shogunx>
raroth41 use .forward inthe users home directory
17:28
bah, he left.
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<Snerf>
anyone here for any help
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<cliebow>
there.ssssssssssssssssssss jammcq
18:38
<jammcq>
Hey chuckie
18:38
<cliebow>
whoops
18:38
!
18:39
ok so my mom called me chuckie..but that was 50 yearsa ago
18:45
what is new and interesting??
18:53
<jammcq>
well, not much
18:53
i'm gonna try and spend more time this evening cleaning up the website
19:16
<Snerf>
i setup ltsp and then logon to win2003 server using rdesktop,and I am trying to get the local floppy to be accessable. not having any luck at all. any pointers?
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<cliebow>
snerf:i cant help much,but know enough that you are asking an awful lot
19:41
you have localdevices functioning properly?
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<cory>
W00t!
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<Snerf>
well, i realize its asking alot. But I am completely stuck, i cant get anywhere with it, and the docs seem to only be of i login to a linux server, not a windows one
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<cory>
a technical school I support gave me 3 old p1 systems with 100mbs NICs so I set them up as a multihead display using ltsp + gdm autologin and x2x
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<cliebow>
if you are using ltsp-4.2 localadev support is based on fuse mounting of a filesystem by the linux server..i dont believe rdp will have any concept of this
19:56* cliebow cliebow waits to be slapped with wet haddock
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<cory>
LOL
19:56
<cliebow>
packnig ti n..too much head pounding todaya
19:57
cory:good stuff
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<daniQ>
night
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<Snerf>
ya thats what I figured.. is there any possible way, or should I just not bother
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<cory>
cliebow:thx
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<Gadi>
Snerf: are u trying to do RDP+localdev on LTSP 4.2?
20:24* Gadi just got back to my 'puter
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<Gadi>
if so, go to the WorkInProgress section of the LTSP wiki
20:25
there's a package I put together to do just that
20:25
<jammcq>
ah, leave it to Gadi to show how it's done
20:26
<Gadi>
that was the question, right?
20:26* Gadi hates missing the opening credits
20:26
<Gadi>
if not, never mind
20:27
I'll go back to my chorees
20:27
er, chores
20:27
oh, the package is in the classic style of "Gadi, that's not very elegant!" but it gets the job done
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<Snerf>
i am not using 4.2 as of yet, still with 4.1
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<Gadi>
ah, then its even easier
20:31
run an rdesktop screen script as so: rdesktop -r disk:drives=/tmp/drives <IP>
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<Snerf>
doh.. why didnt i think of that...
20:31
<Gadi>
:)
20:32
of course you want to put the whole thing in double quotes
20:32
<Snerf>
i know :)
20:33
<Gadi>
see, that's my role in this development team - to bastardize LTSP for things people *really* want to use it for ;)
20:33
<Snerf>
with the /tmp/drives, is there any special thing I need to setup to get those showing? in the lts.conf ?
20:34
<Gadi>
just the usual as you would for linux
20:34
HOTPLUG = Y
20:34
and friends
20:34
<Snerf>
ya, I got the hotplug one, and the LOCAL_DEVICE ones
20:34* Gadi thinks jammcq added my rdesktop patch in 4.1
20:35
<Gadi>
to make RDP not complain about drive space when writing to the disks
20:35
but, if not, let me know
20:35
<Snerf>
gonna try and get usb sticks to work as well, is that also do-able?
20:36
<Gadi>
or, you can grab that pkg for 4.2 from the wiki, unpack the tarball, and install the ltsp-rdesktop one
20:36
definitely
20:36
my livelihood depends on it
20:36
f'in users
20:36
I mean, loving customers
20:36
<Snerf>
hehe.. well, its teachers with me :)
20:37
<Gadi>
ah, teachers - bless em all
20:37
for without teachers, the world would fall
20:38
now, a better question is, why does my ISP's spam filter not block emails with the Subject being the first name of the Sender
20:38
I mean, really
20:38
do you need a computer to know that's spam?
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<cory>
Whats the most creative use of ltsp reported to date?
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<cory>
I posted a couple pics of my ltsp server and 3 clients acting as multiple desktops using x2x
23:24
http://www.oldfordroad.ca/?q=node/3
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