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Channel log from 19 September 2018   (all times are UTC)

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05:24
<alkisg>
vagrantc, eh, I think you overwrote the launchpad mirror instead of pushing to upstream in github :/
05:27
Ah and you didn't pull master, you pulled master-4
05:43
Hmm actually our branches are chaotic, /me tries to introduce some order...
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, so... epoptes upstream = on github. And, there are 3 repositories on launchpad
14:40
lp:epoptes (https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/+git/epoptes-upstream-mirror) is a git mirror from upstream, to be used for building packages,
14:40
https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/epoptes is a bzr mirror from upstream, just for launchpad to get the .pot for translations,
14:40
and https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/exported-translations is where the translations are exported, and we should regularly pick them up from there and merge them manually to github.
14:41
If/when launchpad gets to support git-based translations, we can remove the 2nd one of them there
14:42
Btw, I think the major reason for moving to github was "to get more merge request", I think we actually had more in launchpad :)
14:42* alkisg deleted all of the launchpad ones though
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15:53
<alkisg>
ogra: how hard would it be for me to upload new ltsp versions to ubuntu backports (e.g. bionic-backports)? Does it have too much bureaucracy?
15:55
Aaah it needs to be in cosmic first. Meh, I'll need to wait for the dd-series. :/
15:56
<ogra>
alkisg, well, you could create a snap of ltsp-server-standalone (i have been pondering that for a long time in fact but didnt find the spare time) ...
15:57
<alkisg>
ogra: afaik snap aren't suitable for system services
15:57
<ogra>
then you only need to maintain one single ltsp package for all ubuntu releases
15:57
HUH ?
15:57
thats their main purose
15:57
*purpose
15:57
<alkisg>
They run in a sandbox, so we couldn't run services in them, listening below 1024 etc
15:57
<ogra>
you totally can
15:57
they have initially been designed for server stuff
15:57
<alkisg>
Is e.g. dnsmasq available in a snap?
15:57
<ogra>
(well actually IoT ... but thats just a cut down server)
15:58
you can bundle it
15:58
<alkisg>
I can't say I like the idea :/
15:58
<ogra>
snaps are like metapackages with multiple services inside
15:58
<alkisg>
What if the user has the real dnsmasq installed
15:58
A lot of conflicts there
15:58
<||cw>
can snaps have services that run as root?
15:58
<ogra>
yeah, that might conflict ...
15:59
||cw, yes, in fact they cant have services that run not as root thanks to the kernel confinement they use
15:59* alkisg actually starts all his ubuntu installations by purging snapd...
15:59
<ogra>
(unlike containers otr so they only utilize in-kernel sandboxing features)
16:00
i'm actually switching all my SW i maintain to snaps simply because thats the direct counterpart to a PPA with a metapackage ... but release independent
16:02
<alkisg>
Windows users can have a lot of .net frameworks co installed. The same could be done in Linux with a specific set of package dependencies. So my package would depend on qt4/java6/whatever, and get that. I'm not sure why the whole dependency-based model needs to be replaced...
16:02
<ogra>
it doesnt get replaced
16:03
<alkisg>
Fix packaging so that multiple versions are allowed, sure, but reinvent the wheel... why.
16:03
<ogra>
nobody is taking away debs
16:03
snaps are an extension to that model
16:03
for software you want to maintain out of archive
16:03
<alkisg>
Eh, I already have a hard time packaging for 1234 different distros.Now flatpaks and snaps and the other one I forget, I'll need 110% of my development time there
16:04
Alternatives aren't always a good thing, they come with their own shortcomings
16:04
<ogra>
well, as long as they are improving ...
16:04
you only maintain a single snap to run on all LTSes from 14.04 tpo 18.04
16:04
<alkisg>
True, but sometimes some ideas don't sound like improvements,that's all I'm saying
16:04
<ogra>
with all the same dependencies
16:05
<alkisg>
It'd be best if I was able to do this with a deb. Then I wouldn't need additional work for a snap.
16:05
That idea,I'd surely approve :)
16:05
<highvoltage>
hey ogra and alkisg
16:05
<alkisg>
Hey highvoltage, long time no hear! :)
16:05
<highvoltage>
(just nice seeing your names on my screen again and want to say hi :) )
16:06
<alkisg>
+1!
16:06
<ogra>
hey highvoltage !
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17:33
<alkisg>
Hey vagrantc, have a look at irclogs, I've tried to cleanup the launchpad epoptes repositories a bit
17:33
In short we never push to launchpad, but we pull the translations from epoptes-translations
17:48
<vagrantc>
!irc
17:48
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'irc', but I do know about these similar topics: 'irclogs'
17:48
<vagrantc>
!irclogs
17:48
<ltsp>
irclogs: This channel is logged, archives are available at http://irclogs.ltsp.org
17:49
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i definitely only pushed to github
17:50
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yeah, something in my browser cache made me jump to wrong conclusions
17:50
Sorry about that
17:50
I haven't pushed to launchpad either though
17:50
So I'm not sure how you ended up without the last 4 commits
17:50
Maybe you didn't pull recently?
17:51
In any case it's not an issue as I'm building directly from master for the PPAs
17:52
<vagrantc>
the commits post 1.0.0 were not on github
17:52
neither in my git branch after i pulled, nor in the web interface
17:52
they're there now, though
17:53
alkisg: should we merge the translations and the few bugfixes and release 1.0.1 ?
17:53
<alkisg>
(08:52:03 μμ) vagrantc: the commits post 1.0.0 were not on github ==> truly strange
17:53
We don't have the translations yet; I just updated the environment
17:54
We'd need to push the .pot in github, wait for translators, then pull the .po
17:54
<vagrantc>
ok
17:54
still, the bugfixes?
17:54
<alkisg>
I'm also thinking of reworking the "relaunch on failure" logic, so it might be worth it to wait a month or so and release all those together
17:54
<vagrantc>
ok
17:54
<alkisg>
How are things with Buster?
17:54
Can we still get those in, in e.g. a month or so?
17:55
<vagrantc>
overall, it worked fine ... there was something with broadcasts that didn't work
17:55
i think we've got till end-of-year ... certainly end-of-november
17:56
<alkisg>
Great, no hurry then, we can release in a month or so
17:57
<vagrantc>
right
17:57
by switching to python3 we ended up caught up in a transition, but hopefully that won't cause too much problem
17:58
i think there's a python 3.6 -> 3.7 work in progress in debian right now ... but oh well
19:24
hrm. i think sata on jtk1b may just be dead.
19:24
oops
19:54
<alkisg>
Netboot it instead :P
20:00
<vagrantc>
heh
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<elaurencio>
Hi, I am Ernesto and I want help about usb printer in fat client using ltsp
22:49
Anybody try this solution??
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