IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)


Channel log from 26 September 2014   (all times are UTC)

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08:21
<alkisg>
!nbd-client
08:21
<ltsp`>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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08:29
<muppis>
Home dirs doesn't mount on thin, using 10.04.
08:30
<alkisg>
thins don't mount home dirs, yes, unless you're using localapps
08:31
<muppis>
I'm.
08:31
Using localapps, what's why I'm wondering it.
08:33
Maybe ssh keys needs to be updated?
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08:34
<alkisg>
No, do you have sshfs installed locally?
08:34
<muppis>
yes.
08:34
<alkisg>
(in the chroot)
08:34
what's the output of `# getltscfg -a` on the client?
08:37
<muppis>
http://pastebin.com/5tJ2SXeJ
08:42
<alkisg>
Anything worth mentioning from client /var/log/syslog, or dmesg?
08:42
<muppis>
From client?
08:42
<alkisg>
Yes
08:42
Also, if localapps extramounts (/opt) is not empty in the chroot (i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/opt should have no files/subdirs), you might have issues in 10.04
08:43
Try without the extramounts
08:43
...better without an lts.conf...
08:43
<muppis>
It was actually added later for troubleshooting so it's not really needed at all.
08:45
Nothing special in syslog nor dmesg
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08:46
<alkisg>
Does /home/username exist?
08:46
(locally on the running client)
08:46
Is the home directory under /home ?
08:46
<muppis>
Yes.
08:46
Yes.
08:47
Does it count if user home (only this one which I use) exists in chroot as well?
08:48
<alkisg>
Is it completely empty?
08:48
<muppis>
Nope.
08:48
<alkisg>
Then it won't mount...
08:48
It doesn't have "allow_non_empty" in sshfs options in 10.04
08:49
<muppis>
Ok. Then this luckily affected only me.
08:55
Thank you, again. :D
08:55
<alkisg>
np :)
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16:24
<AustriaBound>
Woohoo. Loving the LTSP for our educational lab but looking for some help on LDAP integration. Everything works but creation of user directories are not populating with /etc/skel/.
16:25
Anyone have a script that will copy over the /etc/skel/ director on new user creation?
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16:38
<Hyperbyte>
AustriaBound, run rsync -a /etc/skel/ /home/<user>/ from the user account.
16:39
<AustriaBound>
Hyperbyte - Where would I place that? rc.d? If so, how would that work for new LDAP users that don't have an account and then avoid that script for those that do?
16:40
I've used the pam_mkhomedir.so and that doesn't get called.
16:40
<vagrantc>
how did you use it?
16:41
<AustriaBound>
I put it in the chroot's /etc/pam.d/common-session
16:41
<vagrantc>
the users are n the server, not in the chroot
16:41
<AustriaBound>
These are all FAT clients by the way.
16:41
<vagrantc>
yes, the user management is still done from the server
16:41
<AustriaBound>
Even with a seperate LDAP server?
16:42
<vagrantc>
there is no pam authentication on the fat client itself.
16:42
<AustriaBound>
I use pam authentication on the fat client when the users want to change their passwords.
16:43
<vagrantc>
sure, but LDM does no pam authentication.
16:44
so unless you've configure some other display manager, you'll need to configure LDAP authentication on the server.
16:44
<AustriaBound>
Gothcha. I'm new to Linux and LTSP so.... I figured that all the scripts for ldm where doing most of that.
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16:44
<vagrantc>
long-term, we're hoping to ditch LDM, but for the moment it's what we've got.
16:45
<AustriaBound>
I have LDAP authentication on the server but the problem is that it creates a new home on the server and then another on the remote NFS home server as well. Then.... when you want to delete a user from the server userdel will not work.
16:46
<vagrantc>
yeah, LDM works best when your homedirs are on the LTSP server.
16:46
<AustriaBound>
I'm a college professor teaching my students this. Coming from a windows development background I've found it to be quite the journey.
16:46
<vagrantc>
it is admittedly a little confusing trying to integrate LDAP
16:46
<AustriaBound>
I haven't had any issues with a remote home dir. Linked it to a owncloud so my students have access to their directories from anywhere.
16:46
<vagrantc>
a lot of what we do essentially hacks around not having to use LDAP
16:47
<AustriaBound>
Are you one of the developers?
16:47
<vagrantc>
yup
16:47
<AustriaBound>
You are my hero!
16:47
<vagrantc>
heh
16:47
well, glad you've njoyed it despite the warts
16:47
<AustriaBound>
I'm looking to cut my teeth in Linux development and am looking seriously at getting involved.
16:48
<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: to understand what we've done you might want to try and set up a test server without any of the LDAP its
16:48
bits
16:48
well, we sure could use help!
16:48
<AustriaBound>
Love to, but class starts Monday and I need a network. I've spent days and nights in the lab since Sept 2nd.
16:48
<vagrantc>
we've been slowly working on a major shift that will be LTSP6, namely handling the PAM stack more sanely
16:49
<AustriaBound>
Got myself in trouble with the IT department. They banished me to a building that looks like a lawn mower shed. Then they gave me 40 celeron machines from the early 2000's all without hard drives.
16:50
<vagrantc>
those might be a little slow for fat clients...
16:50
<AustriaBound>
Works awesome. Headless LTSP server with skinny image.
16:51
<vagrantc>
!worldmap | echo AustriaBound
16:51
<ltsp`>
AustriaBound worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
16:52
<AustriaBound>
So, without pam_mkhomedir.so running on the server, somehow home directories are being created fine. Only issue is that the /etc/skel/ directory isn't copied. Is there are way to copy that directory over on new users only or do I have to copy it for every user on every login?
16:52
<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: well, LDM is essentially a GUI wrapper for "ssh -X" with a bunch of hooks
16:52
<AustriaBound>
I'm going to put our config on the map. We have a VERY unique setup. Servers are Intel Atom processors.
16:53
I've been working on a great idea for the LTSP project. On startup I am copying the image to a ram drive and then serving that out. No more HD reads.
16:53
<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: so pam_mkhomedir would run on the server, and create the homedirs on the server, and then sshfs mount them to the local client, at least in the default configuration.
16:53
AustriaBound: although are you mounting homedirs on the client via NFS?
16:53
<AustriaBound>
Somehow home directories are being created without pam_mkhomedir on the server.
16:54
Yes NFS.
16:54
<vagrantc>
the homedir is created on the server, though?
16:54
<AustriaBound>
Nope.
16:55
<vagrantc>
or it's just created locally ...
16:55
<AustriaBound>
No users homedir on the server just the NFS homedir server.
16:55
<vagrantc>
LDM probably creates the mountpoint on the client dir, in preparation to sshfs mount it from the server ... and the sshfs mount probably fails.
16:56
which is probably why there's no /etc/skel content
16:56
<AustriaBound>
Which log would I look at to see that?
16:56
<vagrantc>
maybe /var/log/ldm.log on the client
16:56
logging isn't always very consistant
16:56
<AustriaBound>
Nope, that's clean
16:57
<vagrantc>
look at /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/ ... there's probably a mkdir call in there somewhere.
16:57
those are the hooks that are run at login
16:58
<AustriaBound>
I've looked through them, but I will make a second round.
16:58
So what do you think about the ram drive idea?
16:59
<vagrantc>
X01-localapps, probably.
16:59
AustriaBound: if you've got the ram to spare, sure!
16:59
<AustriaBound>
I've also been playing with the idea of taking some of these old machines, populating them with 32 gigs of memory, creating a huge ram drive, use the ram drive as a NFS swap area for the fat clients.
16:59
<vagrantc>
i also implemented a proof of concept feature to copy the image to ram at boot, then it can operate without a server
17:00
<AustriaBound>
Nice.
17:00
<vagrantc>
i'd be surprised if you can get 8GB+ in a celeron from 2000...
17:00
even 4+ might be unlikely
17:01
<AustriaBound>
Found it! X01-localapps, you were right. Makes the mkdir $LDM_HOME.
17:02
<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: does NFS swap work? we use NBD swap because NFS hadn't worked for ages... same idea though
17:02
<AustriaBound>
That's true. These new atom servers I can put 32 gigs in them though.
17:02
Yeah, you got me there. I don't know much difference between NFS and NBD.
17:03
<vagrantc>
NBD is network block device, so it's like a raw disk... NFS is a network filesystem
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17:06
<AustriaBound>
I absolutely appreciate your time. One last one before I let you go: I've never done bash scripting before. ( yeah I know, windows guy ) and I'm looking at the directory creation in the X01-localapps.
17:07
I see the line where it creates the $LDM_HOME. Could I check to see if the directory exists and if not create the homedir and then copy a /etc/skel/ type directory? If so how would I start?
17:23
<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: you'd probably want to create a plugin that runs earlier that creates the homedir if it doesn't exist
17:23
<AustriaBound>
But isn't that already happening within that statement in the X01-localapps?
17:24
Sorry to be a bother. Just 3 weeks of no sleep and hitting my head on the desk from fatigue has got me loopy.
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<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: but it's going to try and sshfs mount your homedir from the LTSP server, which you don't really want
17:27
AustriaBound: if the directory already exists, it shouldn't do anything
17:28
AustriaBound: so if you create the homedir before that code runs, all is good.
17:29
<AustriaBound>
Ok. Makes sense, however, I'm running the Ubuntu-desktop session and somewhere it copies the Documents, Desktop, Downloads... folders and files. Where do you think that happens at?
17:29
<vagrantc>
or at least, that's what i thought, but looking at the code i'm not sure
17:30
ah, yes, it should still be fine: if [ "$(stat -c %m "$LDM_HOME")" != "/" ]; then
17:30
AustriaBound: you've mounted your NFS homedirs via FSTAB_XX, yes?
17:31
in lts.conf
17:35
AustriaBound: if you haven't mounted your homedirs via NFS on the client, it'll get the bahavior i described before, where it'll create an empty homedir, try to mount the LTSP server's homedir via NFS (and it doesn't exist, so would fail)
17:38
<AustriaBound>
I do have the homedir being mounted via FSTAB in the lts.conf.
17:38
So would it be safe to say that the homedir is mounted before it gets to the rc.d scripts?
17:42
If that is the case then the initial population of all those directories are happening before the rc.d scripts are run as well..... So, I'm thinking that I could do a file check in X01-localapps that checks for the .bashrc file. If not there, copy /etc/skel/.
17:46
if [ -e "$LDM_HOME/.bashrc" ] then cp /etc/skel/* $LDM_HOME fi
17:46
Something like that?
17:48
Opps I mean: if [ ! -f $LDM_HOME/.bashrc ]
17:49
<vagrantc>
AustriaBound: yes, it gets mounted before then
17:50
<AustriaBound>
Ok, then I'm in business. A script that checks for that file should work then? I'll give it a try.
17:50
<vagrantc>
gotta head out... good luck!
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