IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<astroboy>
Hmm .. gdm fails with /var/log/gdm/:0.log message "(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
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", previously "(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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"
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.. followed by 5 nested lines.
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like " xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" };
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"
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.. comment out section "DRI" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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No comment ? OK, here goes .. reboot ..
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<bip>
i need some help dealing with multiple dhcp servers ...
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i an testing some ltsp servers as virtual machines in their own separate virtual network ...
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but now i d love to insetr em into my phyisical netowork to do some further testing
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but i have 2 issues to fix:
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1 how to convert from a dual nic setup to a single one setup
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2 how i can keep runnin a dhcp server on my gateway machine and on my ltsp machine w/out conflicts
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<cliebow_>
gateway is a windows b ox? or a router?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
g'morning 4 * #ltsp
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hi friends!!!
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have problems with users :(
09:10
have problem with some pendrives and sistem file system.. someones catch it! ok . and other no...
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<zald>
how do i customize the applications on each ltsp clients?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
someone please help me with this... take a look -> http://pastebin.ca/382333
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<viking-ice>
whats the diffrence between PXEclient & Etherboot?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
boot mode?
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<zald>
hello, when i plug my usb printer on my thin client this is the message on shell prompt 'new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4; usb 202: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice; drivers/usb/class/usblp.c; usblp0; usb bidirectional printer dev 4 '
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<zald>
how do i add that printer on my printer admin on my gnome environment?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: morning
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: why you think about this ? http://pastebin.ca/382333
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<sbalneav>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: The pen drive is unpartitioned.
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i.e. it's formatted as /dev/sda, instead of fdisking it, and formatting /dev/sda1
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fdisk the pendrive, and format it for fat.
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<pscheie>
hey sbalneav, how was Toronto?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: but my linux box works ok with this pendrive type
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<sbalneav>
Sure
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but ltsp doesn't support unpartitioned pen drives.
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
then?
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users why they to?
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do?
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<sbalneav>
Like I say: partition and format the pen drive.
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
how?
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<sbalneav>
Either on a windows box, or on a linux box.
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<zald>
hi i have an ltsp thin client , when i attached my usb printer it does saying 'new full speed USB device detected', how do i install it on my gnome environment? i try printer-manager using locally-conneted,ipp,lpd,smb,ncp its not working
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
i do that and nothing
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<sbalneav>
zald: CHeck the wiki.
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!wiki
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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<sbalneav>
we've got a section on printing.
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<bricode>
What a nice bot.
10:35
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: i save all files on that pen drive i formated on windows i copy again the files inside and the client ltsp keep going unrecognize :|
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the navigatio room have 50% users with this problem
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other 50% works they flash(s)
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<sbalneav>
but exist others pen drives when are mounted system not recognize and have this list by shell     Disk /dev/sda: 131 MB, 131070976 bytes
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You said /dev/sda
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
it's same
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<sbalneav>
a drive that's formatted /dev/sda is unpartitioned.
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
look
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my linux is mounted by sda1
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in the server
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<sbalneav>
some pen drives have this volumes and can see by clients ltsp      Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1              1        9589    77023611   83   FAT32
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
was by sdb1
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<sbalneav>
right.
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a drive with an /dev/sda1 will work
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a drive with no partition table shows up as /dev/sda
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the '1' indicates that it's the first partition
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: yes i know that about '1'
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but why out many partitions what i do?
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formated?!
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i do that and nothing
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<sbalneav>
you need to do this
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in the server
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as root
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fdisk /dev/sda
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<Blinny>
I hope his server isn't scsi
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('course, I can see from the pastes that no worries, but heh)
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: what does that?
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<sbalneav>
He's giving me an example of /dev/sda for his memory stick.
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partition the memory stick
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: but users can't erease the contentss
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<sbalneav>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: I'll re-iterate
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LTSP 4.2 doesn't support unpartitioned memory sticks.
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
5.0 have?
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<sbalneav>
so if you have an unpartitioned memory stick, it won't work in 4.2
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5.0 does.
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<pscheie>
I didn't realize 5.0 supported unpartitioned usb sticks; how does it manage that?
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isn't the F in fuse for filesystem?
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<sbalneav>
5.0 uses a newer udev with better rules.
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<pscheie>
does it allow the user for partition the usb stick?
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at the client I mean
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<sbalneav>
No
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it's just a mount. you can't do formatting, cd burning, etc.
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<pscheie>
ok, now I'm really confused: don't you need a filesystem on the stick in order to use it?
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<sbalneav>
yes
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you can have a filesystem on /dev/sda
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it's UNPARTITIONED, not UNFORMATTED
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: sbalneav ok... have to test in other pc to install 5.0 ver and test that with pendrives..
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<pscheie>
ok, one learns something new every day
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
while i fix in the real server upgrade version
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to change again
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and not stop the service
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<pscheie>
I thought filesystems had to be contained within partitions
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<sbalneav>
Nope, you can put a filesystem on a whole drive, but then, you only get ONE filesystem on a drive.
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partitioning allows you to have MULTIPLE filesystems on a drive.
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<pscheie>
I always thought the two were related, that to have a filesystem, there had to be a partition even if it consumed the whole drive
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
sbalneav: so my solution is upgrade 4.2 to 5.0 version
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<skyadmin>
hi all
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<AMSmith42>
The home page says that LTSP can run applications from both Linux and Windows servers. What method does it use to run Windows apps? Emulation? Dual boot?
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<jammcq>
rdesktop
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<AMSmith42>
Thanks.
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
tsclient
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<jammcq>
ltsp doesn't actually run any apps. it's the servers that run the apps
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<AMSmith42>
Yes, thank you for the correction.
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<AMSmith42>
With rdesktop, one still needs a Windows TS and applicable licenses, correct?
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<jammcq>
probably
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<AMSmith42>
In order to run more than one desktop on the Windows server, that is.
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<jammcq>
dunno about such things
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I completely avoid those types of things
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<AMSmith42>
No problem. Thank you for your help.
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<AMSmith42>
I'm a victim of circumstance, or I'd avoid it as well.
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<zald>
sbalneav: i already did put the PRINTER_0_TYPE = U, PRINTER_0_DEVICEPRINTER_0_DEVICE, MODULE_01 = usblp, under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, but still the thin client wasnt able to install the usb printer although it is detected when i plug it on the workstation
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall <- fix some words?
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<zald>
* PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ltsp website said ltsp integrin excellent with ubuntu edgy
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have here 2 isos
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desktop and alternative..
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what i installed like server
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to install ltsp 5?
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<sbalneav>
alternative
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<jammcq>
GodFather: hey
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
thanxs
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i test that 5
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ermm other things.. dhcp can works with 1eth?
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i mean
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eth0 only physical ethernet
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and type
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eth0:1 to clients?
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and eth0 for internet?
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<GodFather>
jammcq, u bak
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<jammcq>
yep
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<ogra>
jammcq, sbalneav, pong pong
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<jammcq>
hey
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look who's still around
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<zald>
arg i still cant run my usb printer :(
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<sol>
hey, pulseaudio and flashplayer 9.0.31.0? how do u get it to work?
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<PMantis>
jammcq, ping
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<jammcq>
PMantis: hey
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<PMantis>
jammcq, # up2date tzdata
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This system may not be updated until it is associated with a channel.
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jammcq, I thought I updated webserver
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<jammcq>
PMantis: not here, priv chan plz
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<cliebow>
Hallooo ltsp!
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<vagrantc>
i can't speak for ltsp as a whole, but hello :)
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<cliebow>
8~)
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yikes! my laptop hard drivedied..
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<vagrantc>
mine's been dying for a remarkable ... 9 months!
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<cliebow>
used it all morning..put it in the car..needed at Lamoinr..No grub..weord noises intewrnally
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<vagrantc>
time to move to compact flash drives.
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<Patina>
You can get a flash disk intended for military use, so it should be very reliable, 90GB only USD40,000
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(thats fourty thousand dollars)
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<cliebow>
hmm..maybe ill wait til ghenry snds the 20 million in small bills he promised
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<sol>
flashplayer on thin client? anyone?
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with pulseaudio
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<mistik1>
Will people ever read?
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<Blinny>
My $LD_PRELOAD environmental variable contains: "/usr/lib/libesd.so.0:/usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0" which is causing errors when starting a terminal. I've googled and only found three semi-relevant links -- is this a common issue? It seems to have started today, no doubt because of something I changed.
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I'm guessing this has something to do with Erik's ESD hacks in K12LTSP
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<Blinny>
Ah, yes. It's from setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS to 'yes' in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp, enabling the use of non-esd apps to use esd
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er
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:s;the use of;;
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<KeepWalking_>
hola...
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<mistik1>
como estas KeepWalking_
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<KeepWalking_>
pregunta, yo tengo fuse en el server, si en un cliente deseo montar el fd0 como lo hago? con ltspfs dev mountdir ?
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<vagrantc>
KeepWalking_: que distro de linux ?
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<mistik1>
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<KeepWalking_>
vagrantc: edubuntu en este caso
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<vagrantc>
KeepWalking_: edgy o feisty o dapper ?
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<KeepWalking_>
6.10 edgy
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vagrantc: estas?
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<vagrantc>
tengo problemas con mi disco duro ...
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lo siento
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<KeepWalking_>
ok, me puedes ayudar o en otro momento_
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?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: do you know if floppy drives are working with ltspfs?
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ogra: in edgy?
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tiagovaz: hi :)
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<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, hey
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<vagrantc>
KeepWalking_: ogra trabaja en edubuntu y ltsp
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<vagrantc>
KeepWalking_: creo que problemas con ltspfs y fd0 en edgy ... pero no estoy seguro.
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<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, i didnt know you speak spanish. Next time i will speak portguese with you
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<vagrantc>
tiagovaz: heh. i'm listening to some portuguese music right now :)
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tiagovaz: i studied spanish for a couple weeks after debconf in guatemala
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<tiagovaz>
vagrantc, nice!
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<One>
!seen rjune
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<ltspbot>
One: rjune was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <rjune> cliebow_:
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<cliebow>
Scottie is here!!!!!!!!!
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<Mighty-D>
hi, does anyone has worked with qmail?
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<mistik1>
That's a little off topic here Mighty-D
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what is the qmail question anyway?
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<Mighty-D>
i had the smtp working, but no it isnt
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i know is off topic mistik1, but i haven't find any clue of whats going on... and i dont know where to ask
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<mistik1>
Mighty-D: ask in #qmail
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I know qmail but there are much to many ways to configure it for me to answer with any degree of acuracy
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<jammcq>
hello all
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<mistik1>
Hey Jim
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<jammcq>
hey
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<mistik1>
still running strong with my new kernel
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<jammcq>
cool, I tried the latest driver, it didn't clear up my problem
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<mistik1>
bummer
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<jammcq>
I'll get over it
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i'll prolly switch to an nvidia card
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if it'll fit in the chassis
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<mistik1>
I would if I could believe me
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I did not want this ATI in this laptop but I got it at a super deal sans the nvidia
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$700 bux is hard to turn down for a new amd64 dual core laptop with 1Gig ram
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Got one other treat with this new kernel too, my hdd LEDs work ;)
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
20:06* sbalneav smashes typewriter
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<sbalneav>
:)
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I'm hanging out in #dbus for a few minutes, gonna bug some people in there :)
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: you should configure your gaim client to pop up a new window when you get private messages
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<vagrantc>
evenin
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<cliebow_>
/join #dbus
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<cliebow_>
Steve!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hello PMantis
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<PMantis>
Hi sbalneav!!!
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
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<vagrantc>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 9 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ogra> jammcq, sbalneav, pong pong
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<knight>
hi
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all
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<sbalneav>
Hello
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<kcbanner>
I'm trying to install LTSP on my server
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but the problem is the ltspcfg script says tftpd ins't installed
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even though it is
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<jammcq>
kcbanner: what distro?
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<kcbanner>
jammcq, Arch Linux
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its in /usr/sbin/tftpd perhaps the script doesn't look there?
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<jammcq>
hmm, ltspcfg doesn't know anything about Arch, so it's having a hard time figuring it out. don't worry about it, and just configure tftpd yourself
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<kcbanner>
ah ok, so it wont stop me
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cool
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<KeepWalking_>
buenas noches
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<sbalneav>
Hello
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<KeepWalking_>
sbalneav: hi
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<petre>
evening all
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<KeepWalking_>
petre: evening
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<Bhaskar>
we develope Nepalinux based on debian, we want to add LTSP package , so where can i find the necessary package and how to integrate this package? can anyone help me with smile
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<mistik1>
!ltsp5
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<ltspbot>
mistik1: "ltsp5" is (#1) The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. Find out more on wiki.ltsp.org, or (#2) ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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<mistik1>
Bhaskar: You should look there, however if you are debian based I think most of the work has already been done and for you it should be a matter of adding the right repos
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Bhaskar: Talk to vagrantc and ogra when they are active for even more info about merging the debian flavor of LTSP into your distro
22:54
And thanks for your interest in doing this
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<Bhaskar>
mistik1, thanks
22:55
<mistik1>
You're Welcomed
22:55
<Bhaskar>
ogra, hello
22:56
we want to integrate LTSP in our Linux based on debian
22:56
how can we start to integrate
22:56
<mistik1>
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins
22:56
another usefull link
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<Bhaskar>
which package we need ?
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<mistik1>
I'm really not sure what the package names are, I'm one of the gentoo guys
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ogra == Ubuntu, vagrantc == debian
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<Bhaskar>
debian
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<mistik1>
I think you start with ltsp-build-client iirc
22:59
Then you would write a plugin with the specifics of your distro
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<Bhaskar>
ok
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<mistik1>
You could prolly reuse most of the debian stuff
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ogra: ping
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<Bhaskar>
ogra, which package we need in debian based
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ogra, so that we can integrate
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<sbalneav>
Bhaskar: take a look at ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone, as well as ltsp-client, and their dependencies
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<Bhaskar>
sbalneav, ya
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sbalneav, from http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=sourcenames&version=all&exact=1&keywords=ltsp, sure me
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<sbalneav>
Those would be the ones
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<Bhaskar>
sbalneav, ltsp-client,ltsp-cient-builder,ltsp-server,ltsp-serevr-standalone all should be downloaded, ya
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sbalneav, and how to start integration of those in my Nepalinux?
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<sbalneav>
Well, if it's based on Debian, then the usual way you port over packages from debian.
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first thing would be to get the source packages, and try simply building and installing them. They may work out of the box.
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<Bhaskar>
sbalneav, now how
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sbalneav, i download all these package, now what will my further steps
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<sbalneav>
I thought you said you had your own distro, right?
23:20
Nepalinux?
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<Bhaskar>
sbalneav, Nepalinux is based on debian
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<sbalneav>
do you work on the distribution?
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<Bhaskar>
sbalneav, ya
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sbalneav, i want to integrate LTSP in this distribution
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<sbalneav>
Do you know anything about packaging in debian?
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<Bhaskar>
sbalneav, no
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sbalneav, our aim is to integrate LTSP in Nepalinux
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<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: is nepalinux based on any other linux distros?
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, it is based on debian
23:33
<sbalneav>
Debian, apparently, but Bhaskar doesn't know anything about packaging, so he might have a bit of a problem.
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<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: debian etch, or debian sarge?
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, debian etch based
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vagrantc, our Nepalinux is based on debian etch
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<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: can't you just take the ltsp packages from debian etch and use those for nepalinux ?
23:36
<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, so how?
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<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: apt-get install ltsp-server
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Bhaskar: or whatever other method you use to install packages.
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Bhaskar: and then, at some point, you run "ltsp-build-client"
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Bhaskar: and you'll need to configure DHCP, NFS and tftp
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, ya
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<vagrantc>
so, what's left to integrate?
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, script of configure DHCP,NFS,tftp
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<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: there's an example DHCP configuration file in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples
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Bhaskar: or if you prefer, you can use the dnsmasq one with the dnsmasq package
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Bhaskar: NFS configuration is fairly simple- add the line "/opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash)" to /etc/exports, if it isn't already added.
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Bhaskar: and if you're using tftpd-hpa, you can use the defaults.
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, ya
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vagrantc, now we want to pack it in live CD?
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<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: are you using debian-live ?
23:49
<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, ya
23:50
<vagrantc>
Bhaskar: probably ask in the #debian-live channel on irc.debian.org
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Bhaskar: though you'll have a very difficult time getting DHCP working properly off a live CD plugged into any random network
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, ok
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<Bhaskar>
vagrantc, i will install fresh Nepalinux in my PC , and do all the steps that you have already told, then any problem , i will contact]
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<vagrantc>
we really need to include a basic howto of how to install it...