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Channel log from 11 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<threeonefour>
apperantly according to someone in the ubuntu channel Ltsp is caussing my errors with updating
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packages
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<juhaj>
vagrantc: we had a dicussion about debian packaging of ltsp yesterday... ogra thought you might be interested =)
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: probably, yes. though i'm spending all to much of my time geting to and from work, as well as working. all on things mostly unfortunately not related to ltsp. :(
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though i do happen to be preparing a new ltsp upload for debian at the moment :)
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against my better judgement.
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<juhaj>
vagrantc: two questions: 1) will you be bugging the release manager (vorlon?) about including the new packages and ltspfs into etch? 2) would you mind splitting ltsp-server up? at least ldminfod should be in its own package (so that the host in lts.conf's SERVER=host does not need the whole ltsp-server package) and possibly removing the dependancy on tftp-hpa|atftpd (change it to recommends with big fat warning that you need a tftp server *somewhere* - as i
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and yes, I realise that splitting tftp off to another server will break ltsp-build-client's "copy kernels to tftp directory" -feature
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<threeonefour>
vagrantc, what version of ltsp is included with edubuntu 6.10
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: i do not think we will be able to include ltspfs in etch, unfortunately.
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juhaj: i intend to split ltsp-server up post-etch
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juhaj: ldminfod isn't in ltsp-server (yet).
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<juhaj>
vagrantc: I was afraid you'd say that. need to make my own backport of it then
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: i intend to make backports available for etch through backports.org
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<juhaj>
vagrantc: is not? dpkg --listfiles ltsp-server|grep ldminfod tells me otherwise
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: oh, sorry. i was thinking of something else.
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<juhaj>
=)
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: i was basically planning on splitting ltsp-build-client into it's own package. but you remind me that there is at least another split needed for LDM related stuff.
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threeonefour: i don't know. try http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:ltsp
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<juhaj>
I don't know if I'll be interested in your backports, though: you'll probably keep bumping up the version number in backports.org as it goes up in sid, right? (that's what people usually do at backports.org) that's exactly what I do not want. I want stable (that's why I'm using Debian!)
01:06
but I can always make my own backport
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: probably, yes.
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<juhaj>
so, how about splitting the package? =)
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: well, i'll try to keep the version in sync with testing.
01:07
juhaj: can't split the package in etch now- etch is frozen.
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juhaj: only release-critical and important bugs can be fixed, and documentation or translation updates are allowed in.
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<juhaj>
right. =( how about future, sid?
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<vagrantc>
no plans to do so until etch is released, as it makes getting changes into etch harder.
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<juhaj>
hmm... what if I could produce an RC bug that requires the package split in two? =) hard to imagine how I could justify severity >= serious, though
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<vagrantc>
could try experimental, but i want to focus all of my energy on ensureing LTSP makes it into etch.
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juhaj: then it would likely not be included in etch.
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<juhaj>
no, no, please make etch 1st priority, no problem there.
01:09
just wanted to know if you'd be open to such a split in the near future
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: though i suspect you will be be able to find a bug that the release managers don't downgrade the severity.
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<juhaj>
because I think it's the "right" way. I could provide the patches to ltsp-build-client when the tftp server is elsewhere
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vagrantc: vorlon already downgraded two of my bugs =)
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<vagrantc>
as soon as etch is released, i am very open. and while you can't tell from the changelog entries of the last several months, i'm not the only one who works on ltsp in debian :)
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<juhaj>
(on other packages)
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: he downgraded one of my bugs on xserver-xorg that broke ltsp, but it eventually got made RC again and fixed :)
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<juhaj>
I complained about slapd upgrade overwriting some conffiles (that's a clear policy violation, section 10.7.3), vorlon closed the bug, saying that nothing broke. well, nothing did, but just because the new conffile did the same things as my edited conffile did
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vagrantc: I was reading that chain the other day
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: i used social networking ... "who else would be burned by this bug" and it turns out debian-installer and debian-live were... which increases the clout significantly.
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and everybody is happier now.
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juhaj: are they conffiles, or configuration files?
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juhaj: regarding slapd upgrades
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<juhaj>
vagrantc: about splitting up: as I thought, update-kernels will work if line 42 in /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-kernels is changed to use scp instead of cp =) of course that will need some way of determining which host to scp to, but that's just a variable that needs to be around
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: a separate tftp server? hmmm... i'd rather leave NFS and tftp on the same machine.
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: my goal was to actually make ltsp-update-kernels completely unnecesary.
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<juhaj>
vagrantc: both of them actually. according to vorlon, the configuration file was not actually changed apart from some changes to its syntax, but the conffile was overwritten, which I was more concerned with, of course. the configuration file was even backed up first, so it wasn't going to forever break things
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vagrantc: I have a possible situation that I need them separate. at the moment they're the same (though the SERVER= -host is separate), but still, the depends: is incorrect in my opinion.
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ltsp-server works fine without a local tftp daemon - though update-kernels won't do everything it's supposed to. thus exactly the situation recommends and suggests are for
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: i intend to split ltsp-server into ltsp-server and ltsp-build-client, where ltsp-server pulls in all dependencies, and ltsp-build-client just recommends them.
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<juhaj>
that would be more than my case requires, but very suitable for me
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<vagrantc>
well, i already see situations in which nothing more than ltsp-build-client is needed, so that's the direction i'd like to go. ogra doesn't like it, though.
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: and i think i'd like to kill ltsp-server-standalone.
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<juhaj>
actually, at the moment, my only headache is the fact that ldminfod pulls in tftp server and bunches of other stuff as well. I don't like that on a server, I like to keep dpkg --list|grep ^ii as clean as possible
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<vagrantc>
ldminfod has nothing to do with tftp servers.
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<juhaj>
why's ogra against it? if you keep ltsp-server around, why's it bad to have a separate non-depending package alongside?
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vagrantc: my point exactly! but ldminfod is in ltsp-server, which depends on tftp server!
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: ask ogra. i think he's afraid of too many packages, which is a valid concern.
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juhaj: ah. you want to install ldminfod on other machines...
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juhaj: yes, i see the case for an "application server" package.
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<juhaj>
hm.. debian's already got, what >15000 packages, so we're well into "too many packages" already, if one is concerned about the number of packages per se. =)
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<vagrantc>
and how many of those packages are directly related to ltsp?
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<juhaj>
application server, that's probably what you'd call the situation we have here
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vagrantc: ach, ogra was concerned about too many ltsp-packages?
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not just many packages in general
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<vagrantc>
juhaj: the more we split it up, the more complicated inter-package dependencies get.
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<juhaj>
true
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<vagrantc>
especially if you start needing to do versioned dependencies
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<juhaj>
that's a maintainer problem, I though you were discussing a user problem
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thought
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<vagrantc>
for me, i would like to split the packages up a little more, but i also want to be careful not to split it up too much.
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it's also a user problem... if you search for ltsp and see 30 packages, it might be hard to know where to start.
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juhaj: but i need to get some packages built and uploaded.
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and then sleep.
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<juhaj>
=)
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good night. see you later
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vagrantc: oh, btw, I could not make my clients boot with tftp-hpa, only with atftpd. I'm not inclined to look into the matter, but just thought you might want to know
01:37* vagrantc doesn't want to hear that the defaults are broken
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<vagrantc>
i mean, i do. but not at this hour :)
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juhaj: i often completely neglect anything that isn't filed as a real bug report.
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<juhaj>
=)
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<vagrantc>
ok, i uploaded new packages to debian-edu ... if the right norwegians wake up soon, we might see new packages uploaded to debian within a few hours.
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<budgee>
anyone awake?!
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<irule>
hi
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<budgee>
hi
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<pscheie>
Gadi: Have you updated the audiolist-alsa file in your LTSP-esk-alsa package, for the Maestro3?
08:48
I'm about to point a school tech at the wiki so he can put your package in to work with some Dell laptops
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<Gadi>
ah, no not yet
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let me do that now, while u remind me
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<Gadi>
pscheie: I uploaded a new pkg, and this time I put the pkg version in the tarball name :P So, tell your folks to download the newest one (or in this case, the one with the version number)
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<pscheie>
Gadi: ok
09:12
I just hit the link to the package from the wiki; does that point to your new file?
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(The name looks the same as before)
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<Gadi>
hmm... wiki should bring you to the sf page, no?
09:13
<pscheie>
yes
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<Gadi>
I just just changed it, so maybe you have a cached page
09:13
<pscheie>
lemme look...
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<Gadi>
yeah, on that page you should see 2 files
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(the link used to be direct to the download)
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<pscheie>
ah, there it is.
09:15
yeah, the old link just directly started the download of the old file
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any reason the wiki can't point directly to the new file?
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<Gadi>
yeah. Before, I just uploaded a tarball of the same name and replaced it
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<Gadi>
but, that screws up the stats tracking
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and Im actually curious as to how useful this pkg is
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:)
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<pscheie>
VERY useful, in my case!
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<Gadi>
I think I had about 100 more downloads than what the stats surrently report
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because I kept blowing away the pkg
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lol
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<pscheie>
okay, I'll just tell the tech which filename to look for.
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It's too bad the sf page doesn't list a date for each file, so I could just say get the latest.
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<Gadi>
hmm...
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well, at least in the future Ill keep versioning it
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so, you can go by the biggest number
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<pscheie>
can you add a version to the original?
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<Gadi>
not so easily
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<pscheie>
otherwise, I think people will not know which one to pick
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<Gadi>
I dont think you can change the name without uploading a new file
09:20
I can add a note in the notes section
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(if they read that)
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<pscheie>
And I suppose you can't remove the original
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<Gadi>
if its easier, I can change the link in wiki.ltsp.org to go straight to the latest
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yeah, let me do that
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duh
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<pscheie>
morning jammcq
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<torrya01>
Hi everyone. I'm using Edubuntu "Edgy" and ltsp is working fine. I would like to use "local applications" on the thin client, and all I can find is that support for this is slated for Feisty in April 2007. Is there any way to make it work in Edgy?
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<Gadi>
there we go
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<ogra_>
torrya01, you can try to hack it yourself ... but there is no easy way for edgy ...
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apart from that its not likely that it will get into feisty ...
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<jammcq>
ogra_: what's the major blocker from it getting into feisty?
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<ogra_>
jammcq, 24h days ?
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and me only having two hands :)
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<jammcq>
well.... besides that
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<jammcq>
installing local applications should be easy. but invoking them seems like the hard part
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<ogra_>
right
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(you were at the BOFs, you should know why the spec isnt approved)
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<jammcq>
ah, I thought we got past that, and the spec was approved
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<ogra_>
nope
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<jammcq>
well, there's always feisty+1
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<ogra_>
we didnt figure out an easy transaprent way for the menu entries ... the reviewers didnt like that
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<torrya01>
I'm new to all this - I just saw the Launchpad entry saying it was approved for Feisty.
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<ogra_>
no
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it wasnt
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look at the "Definition:" line
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<jammcq>
well, we should at least attempt an 'Unofficial' way of doing it, even if it means hand-hacking the menus
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<pscheie>
Gadi: thx
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<ogra_>
jammcq, also pitti didnt understand the ssh stuff and wanted the spec rewritten
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i know he discussed it for ~30min with scottie
09:35* jammcq thinks we should just figure out *some* way to make it work, then work on refining it
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<torrya01>
It says "Definition status: Approved/ The project team believe that the specification is ready to be implemented without substantial issues being encountered" !!
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<jammcq>
it'll help us understand the problems and solutions better
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<ogra_>
jammcq, unofficial: install sshd and the app you want to run in the chroot ....
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<jammcq>
ogra_: well, there ya go :)
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<ogra_>
create a user "remoteuser" on server and client
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generate sshkeys for that user
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<jammcq>
ogra_: I'll be re-building my server at home soon (I hope), and i'll go with feisty+ltsp for that
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<ogra_>
copy them to the homedir in the chroot
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run ssh -X remoteuser@clientip app
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thats it
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oh and set the sshd on the client to passwordless auth
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then create a launcher that executes the above ssh command ...
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done
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torrya01, try the above ,,, if it works it would be nice if you could wiki it (either on wiki.ltsp.org or on wiki.ubuntu.com)
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<jammcq>
MAKE SURE you set your DISPLAY variable
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don't use -X
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<torrya01>
ogra_, will certainly give it a shot.
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<ogra_>
why ?
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<jammcq>
if you have a session on the server, and you want to launch an application to run locally on the client
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yuo definately don't want the X traffic going across the network
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<ogra_>
right and use the X proxy of ssh to forward it
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<jammcq>
no, DON'T use the X proxy
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<ogra_>
Xorg in ubunto doesnt allow remote connections, you need to use -X
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<jammcq>
or is that what you said?
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<ogra_>
*ubuntu
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<jammcq>
in that case, it wouldn't be a remote connection
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<ogra_>
oh207, err...
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right
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indeed
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<jammcq>
Xorg is running on the client
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yeah
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otherwise the X packets have to travel over the network twice
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prolly not what you want
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<ogra_>
silly me ... sorry i'm a bit dizzy ...
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<jammcq>
heh
09:44
tis ok
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<ogra_>
(my dog is very ill and i didnt get much sleep the last days ....)
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<budgee>
jammcq/ogra/Gadi: regarding getting LX support into 4.2, I have fiddled with the AMD offical patch (which applied, but the compile failed), the freedesktop.org nsc-amd-geode-lx-R5.patch (which is meant for X11R7 - and thus of no use), and now after heavy editing of the patch, nsc-backport-R5.patch (which was supplied to me by exactcode.de's Rene Rebe)
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<jammcq>
ooh, that sucks
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<ogra_>
yeah ...
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i suspect he wont survive til the end of the month ...
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<jammcq>
budgee: did you get it working?
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<budgee>
jammcq/ogra/Gadi: unfortunately the backport patch, which is for the monolithic series, is not compiling either
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jammcq: no :(
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jammcq: grr
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<jammcq>
does the patch apply cleanly?
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<budgee>
jammcq: after heavy editing, as some of it had already been applied to the 6.9 code
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jammcq: yes
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<jammcq>
hmm, I've got no idea what that patch is doing
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<budgee>
jammcq: yeah, i'm sorry. i know there is not much you can do to help at the moment.
09:49
jammcq: is there a way to not have to rebuild X from scratch each time, just to check if the nsc_driver.c file compiles? is it ok, if I just run the compile command as executed by the script when it fails?
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<jammcq>
hmm, no, you really need to run it all the way through
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./build --only=xorg --clean
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then, ./build --only=xorg
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have you tried just building Xorg outside of LBE, to make sure the patch works and the compile succeeds ?
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<budgee>
jammcq: not yet
09:54
jammcq: i just removed some of the Xorg.conf options from the driver and it now seems to compile... now we wait for the next in line :)
10:05
jammcq: nope... now more... oh no...!
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<efra>
Morning everybody
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<irule>
hi there all, I there a livecd I can quickly use to demo ltsp to a school?
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some windows fanatic low wage kid's job is at stake lol
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<sepski>
irule, i dont know of any that server as an ltsp server out of the livecd. but you can use http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/SkoleLiveCd/Download to look at a kde desktop.
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<pscheie>
irule: Knoppix has a remote boot server that will load Knoppix on another PXE-boot machine, though that's not quite what you want
10:40
just to demo remote booting across the network
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keep in mind that the client performance of a ltsp liveCD would be awful since the server is running from CD
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<sepski>
irule, altho installing skolelinux or edubuntu on a box and booting a few pxe clients of it is done in 30 minutes.
10:41
so if you have a box available with expendable harddrive it's easy to demo
10:41* pscheie agrees with sepski
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<ogra>
you can install edubuntu on an external USB disk and boot the demo pc from that
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<ogra>
its similar to a liveCD but at least more performant
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<moquist>
ogra: the kernel that installs by default in Edubuntu (edgy) doesn't support SMP. 8-(
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<ogra>
if we have the twoCD spec ready i'll have space for two kernels on the CD
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<moquist>
ogra: But I quadrupled our processing power today just by installing linux-image-generic and rebooting. :)
11:31
ogra: cool
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<ogra>
so the server will get the SMP supporting kernel and the clients the old 386 supporting one
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<moquist>
Ah. I see why it is what it is...
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<ogra>
the current muilestone we'll release in 1h or so already uses the -generic kernel by default
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<moquist>
nice!
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<ogra>
but that breaks indeed on clients that need the 386/486 instruction sets
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VIA, Geode etc
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<moquist>
yep.
11:34
I've been wondering for days why our network was so slow, and I was going to start scrutinizing nscd/ldap very heavily later today...when I happened to notice that only 1/4 of our procs were running.
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<ogra>
yeah, damned space constraints ...
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i'd have changed to two kernels before
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edsadmin has some licensing probs btw
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it uses lgpl stuff without pointing it out ...
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<cliebow_>
moquist..you got quad processors out of two cpus too?
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<Gadi>
hey, ogra, do you know why udev makes a ttys0 and ttyS0 for the serial port?
11:55
<ogra>
no
11:55
look at the rules
11:55
sounds like a typo
11:55* Gadi investigates a serial port issue and is surprised to see both devs
11:55
<Gadi>
yeah, looking
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<ogra>
ttys0 is in the series of tty[a-z][0-9a-e]
11:58
its a normal tty
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<Gadi>
ah
11:58
terrible name :)
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<ogra>
(with small letter numbering and minor hex code)
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see ls /dev/tty*
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seems to be a new kernel feature or something
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321 tty's
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<Gadi>
lol
12:00
think we have enough?
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<ogra>
you never know
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:)
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<jamil1>
where is vagrantc?
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<g333k_work>
hi, I run #ltsp-build-client but I got this output: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
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perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
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LANGUAGE = "es_PE:es",
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LC_ALL = (unset),
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LANG = "es_PE.UTF-8"
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are supported and installed on your system.
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why?
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<jamil1>
g333k_work: eres de peru?
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<mascote>
hi
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<g333k_work>
jamil1, sip
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<jamil1>
google para configurar tus locale
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que distribucion usas?
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<g333k_work>
jamil1, ubuntu... nunca me habia pasado esto
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<mascote>
hi, is someone from Brazil here?
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<jamil1>
dpkg-reconfigure locales g333k_work
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<g333k_work>
jamil1, ya hice eso
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<mascote>
I need some help... I have a internet server (IP 192.168.0.200) and my LTSP server is other computer (192.168.0.203). When the internet server and the LTSP server are turn on the X login at the client is OK, but when the internet server isturn off the X login don't work, just show at the client a gray screen and a X(point of the mouse). Why its occours? What I have to change to correct this problem? Thanks a lot.
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<mascote>
I need some help... I have a internet server (IP 192.168.0.200) and my LTSP server is other computer (192.168.0.203). When the internet server and the LTSP server are turn on the X login at the client is OK, but when the internet server is turn off the X login don't work, just show at the client a gray screen and a X(point of the mouse). Why its occours? What I have to change to correct this problem? Thanks a lot.
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<jamil1>
g333k_work: tienes ltps4.2 o muekow?
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<g333k_work>
jamil1, ltsp 5
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<jamil1>
lstp 5 is muekow no?
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g333k_work: por que no vas a #ubuntu-es
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o #edubuntu
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g333k_work: esto te puede ayudar checa ahi viene http://www.mononeurona.org/index.php?idp=25
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<mistik1>
mascote: which machine is running the DHCPD for the thin-clients?
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<g333k_work>
jamil1, a ver
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<BilboFett>
hi
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how can I completely kill all my printers from my /etc/cups/printers.conf and start over?
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<BilboFett>
how can I completely kill all my printers from my /etc/cups/printers.conf and start over?
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<mistik1>
http://localhost:631 login and have phun
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<BilboFett>
pardon?
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<mascote>
hi mistik1: I was out, sorry
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<jamil1>
g333k: te sirvio el enlace?
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<mascote>
mistik1: the DHCPD server is the LTSP SERVER.
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<BilboFett>
I set my default printers per user, and then they revert back?
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<BilboFett>
I set my default printers per user, and then they revert back?
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<Snerf>
got a quick question, if anyone is around. Got ltsp 4.2 and I am trying to get sound to work. I have a cmpci card, and I set that with SMODULE_01 = cmpci
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<Snerf>
but when my client boots up, it says that the cmpci module is not found, how do I add it?
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<cliebow>
Snerf:it would want to be compiled in the lbe..not trivial..sure you dont have that module?
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<RiXtEr>
cliebow: do you know much about lpr?
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<cliebow>
Rixter:not much im afraqid
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<RiXtEr>
its ok :) thanks
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<cliebow>
what needest thou?
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<RiXtEr>
trying to setup lpd to allow jobs on a certain queue... (not sure how to word it properly)
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping
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<cliebow>
yo
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<J45p3r>
http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19488&start=30
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<cliebow>
ho
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loooking
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<J45p3r>
last post on that page has the fix for our dgbypass issue
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<cliebow>
COOL
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amazing how much more you get done when no one is pestering you
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<J45p3r>
yea peace and quiet is helpful
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<cliebow>
perms on the bypass?
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<J45p3r>
looks like a problem with the template
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i'm going to post for clarification, but I think the just replaced the template
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<cliebow>
guess it will all make sense when looking at it
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<Snerf>
Got ltsp 4.2 and I am trying to get sound to work. I have a cmpci card, and I set that with SMODULE_01 = cmpci
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but when my client boots up, it says that the cmpci module is not found, how do I add it?
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<MRH2>
hi is there a trick to disabling the framebuffer?
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<MRH2>
do kernel options in ... pxelinux.cfg/default work?
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<jammcq>
yes, usually they do
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what option are you trying to set?
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<MRH2>
I am trying to disable the framebuffer - is that the best place to do it?
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<jammcq>
yeah, assuming you are using PXE to boot
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but... I don't know what option you need to set for disabling that
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might be 'nofb'
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<MRH2>
i tried vga=normal, video=vesafb:off
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these are normally specific to the card?
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<jammcq>
try "nofb"
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yeah, it's normally specific to the driver, but I've seen people use 'nofb'
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so, it's easy to try
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<MRH2>
well at least i am in the right direction
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<jammcq>
did it work?
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<MRH2>
nope
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maybe there is an mga specific thing
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thanks jam i gtg
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