IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 14 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<sbalneav>
you like the udev idea, though?
00:00
<vagrantc>
overall, yes.
00:00
<sbalneav>
cool
00:00
<vagrantc>
due to the unpredictibility of usb, i'd say keep the parallel to the specific known ports ...
00:00
<sbalneav>
yeah, makes sense
00:00
<vagrantc>
and that keeps the usb printers open-ended ...
00:01
<sbalneav>
perfect.
00:01
<vagrantc>
"this here thin client has 32 printers plugged into it
00:01
"
00:01
how many printers are people really going to have plugged into a single thin client ?
00:01
<sbalneav>
heh
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00:02
<sbalneav>
well, I'd figure two at the max
00:02
<vagrantc>
and where do serial printers fit in ?
00:02
<sbalneav>
heh
00:02
well, I havent quite figured that one out yet
00:02
but
00:02
I think it'll go something like this
00:03* vagrantc hears the music
00:03
<sbalneav>
stty -F /dev/ttyS0 9600 ..... (tty parms)
00:03
jetpipe /dev/ttyS0 9200 (or whatever)
00:04
<george719>
greetings
00:04
<sbalneav>
so just configure the serial port with stty, and then serve it with jetpope
00:04
jetpipe
00:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: does jetpipe respect lts.conf variables and such ?
00:04
<sbalneav>
jetpipe never did
00:04* vagrantc thinks the rewrite should be called jetpope
00:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: yes, but the init scripts that call jetpipe respect variables
00:05
<sbalneav>
it's just a simple little listen-to-a-socket-and-dump-the-dtuff-to-a-file program
00:05
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so maybe there should be a wrapper script that udev calls ... but ...
00:05
<sbalneav>
right, but with udev, you won't need the variables
00:05
<vagrantc>
i don't know ...
00:05
<sbalneav>
at all
00:05
<george719>
i have to switch the client network to work on eth1, what hidden configs need i look at to make this work?
00:05
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the serial settings ?
00:06
<sbalneav>
as for serial, that can't be handled by udev, so it could just be an rc script.
00:06
<vagrantc>
which jetpipe doesn't respect anyways
00:06
serial can't be handled by udev ?
00:06
<sbalneav>
george719: your dhcpd.conf file, specifically
00:06
<vagrantc>
because you don't know a printer is attached ... right
00:06
any more than parallel ?
00:06
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: what's at the end of that serial port? :)
00:07
well, with a // port, you can make a REASONABLE assumption that it's connected to a printer.
00:07
<george719>
is that the only place?
00:07
<sbalneav>
whacky // port zip drives aside.
00:07
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: // port ?
00:07
<sbalneav>
parallel
00:08
see? // two parallel lines
00:08* vagrantc used to use plip all the time
00:08
<sbalneav>
never seen that before?
00:08
<vagrantc>
and parallel-port CDROM drives
00:08
in fact, my first real linux install was done with one of those
00:08
<sbalneav>
the // port was supposed to be just for printers. Anything else was an intentional abuse of an ieee standard :)
00:09
<vagrantc>
heh
00:09
<sbalneav>
george719: Off the top of my head, yeah.
00:09
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so this gets into my "autodetection is good, as long as you can override it" philosophy.
00:09
<george719>
tnx gg
00:10
<sbalneav>
Well, we could easily wrap the udev rules in a small wrapper script that, barring overrides, end in an exec jetpipe.
00:11
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: that would make me happy.
00:12
with only a brief additional resource cost
00:13
<sbalneav>
I'm fine with that.
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00:14
<sbalneav>
I just like the idea of, for most people, plugging in their one usb printer, and they can just set up on cups port 9103, and it just works
00:14
without even a terminal reboot.
00:14
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: indeed.
00:14
"autodetection is good, as long as you can override it"
00:16
only 9 debian bugs left for ltsp and ltspfs worth closing :)
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03:03
<dan__t>
Anyone have a moment to share an fstab copy of a client that is already up with shares mounted?
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03:08
<dan__t>
'morning, kamazu
03:08
<kamazu>
morning
03:08
<dan__t>
don't suppose you have any ltsp clients up right now do ya?
03:08
<kamazu>
We are having trouble with high load average on our LTSP 5 server
03:09
Any image browsing application sends load average above 10
03:09
<dan__t>
How much RAM?
03:10
Can I bother you for a copy of one of your running clients' fstabs, please?
03:10
<kamazu>
We are running 10 clients on a amd64 1.5 Gig
03:10
on sec
03:10
<dan__t>
Thanks. I'd check to see if it is swapping badly
03:16
<kamazu>
This is the fstab of one of the clients, with a load of 1.24 at the moment
03:16
/dev/root / unionfs defaults 0 0
03:16
tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nosuid,nodev 0 0
03:16
/dev/cdrom /var/run/drives/cdrom auto defaults 0 0
03:16
/dev/fd0 /var/run/drives/floppy0 auto defaults 0 0
03:16
/dev/hda5 /var/run/drives/atadisk-hda5 auto defaults 0 0
03:16
/dev/hda1 /var/run/drives/atadisk-hda1 auto defaults 0 0
03:16
/dev/hda2 /var/run/drives/atadisk-hda2 auto defaults 0 0
03:16
how can we check if it is swapping
03:17
<dan__t>
use top
03:17
<kamazu>
When high load averages occur we noticed wa is high
03:17
in top
03:18
<dan__t>
what was high?
03:19
<kamazu>
What does wa in top mean, assume it waiting ...
03:19
high load average means greater than 10
03:19
<dan__t>
well, it can mean 3-4 even
03:19
it's all relative
03:19
<kamazu>
high wa means 35%
03:19
<dan__t>
what does swap say
03:19
?
03:19
<kamazu>
3-4 is fine
03:20
we feel load avg only above 4 ( mouse drags, changing windows etc...)
03:20
what do you mean by 'what does swap say'
03:21
thanks for helping btw
03:22
<dan__t>
sorry
03:22
What is the swap usage like?
03:22
Is it extraordinarily high?
03:22
<kamazu>
image browsing with firefox or gthumb on 2 clients sends load above ten
03:22
Swap: 1951856k total, 207984k used, 1743872k free, 211572k cached
03:22
Swap: 1951856k total, 207984k used, 1743872k free, 211572k cached
03:22
Swap: 1951856k total, 207984k used, 1743872k free, 211572k cached
03:22
sorry
03:23
but seems ok?
03:23
<dan__t>
it does.
03:23
does /var/log/messages say anything?
03:23
<kamazu>
no nothing special
03:24
we have configured X on the server to not use dri and glx but still...
03:24
done this with the clients too
03:24
according to a post on the forums
03:25
but this is making our lTSP useless
03:25
it happens everyday at lunchtime
03:25
when the students are checking email
03:25
<dan__t>
Are people playing games around that time?
03:25
heheh
03:25
<kamazu>
and looking at forums
03:25
no
03:25
we are checking game playing, etc
03:25
and it is only image browsing
03:26
<dan__t>
I really don't know.
03:26
<kamazu>
a single client scrolling images.google.com sends the load avg up
03:26
<dan__t>
That's an interesting one.
03:26
<kamazu>
it is really horrific
03:26
we are considering removing LTSP
03:26
if one firefox user can cripple the system, this is hopeless for us
03:27
someone casually mentioned to us the other day 'this is a known issue with image rendering and LTSP'
03:27
is this true? can LTSP not handle networked image rendering in a scalable way?
03:28
we really just need some new debugging ideas - we've reached the end of our ideas
03:28
<dan__t>
I've not had a problem with it.
03:28
<dberkholz>
sounds like piss-poor X acceleration to me
03:28
<dan__t>
My guys looked at porn all day no problem
03:28
<kamazu>
yes
03:28
:-)
03:28
<dan__t>
Well, I'm sure image rendering has a lot to do with it
03:28
Considering the nature of LTSP
03:28
<kamazu>
so is this a client X server problem
03:28
<dan__t>
but not to those extremes
03:28
<dberkholz>
what's your X driver and X server version?
03:28
<kamazu>
or the LTSP X server problem?
03:29
on client or server?
03:29
<dberkholz>
ltsp clients
03:29
<kamazu>
one sec
03:30
<dberkholz>
you could just post an X log, that's got all the info
03:32
<kamazu>
umm... how should I post it?
03:32
(sorry, I'm an IRC nooB)
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03:33
<dberkholz>
pastebin works
03:33
or rafb.net/paste
03:33
<kamazu>
sorry - I'm not understanding
03:33
I'm using Gaim
03:33
<dberkholz>
they are sites where you can just paste random content, get a url, and post the url in here
03:36
<kamazu>
cool
03:36
here is the URL: http://rafb.net/p/E1D8iM98.html
03:37
<dberkholz>
matrox, eh
03:38
<kamazu>
hmmm if you say so...
03:38
yes, says or second sysadmin
03:40
<dberkholz>
if you can get at the xorg.conf for the clients, try adding this into the Device section: Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
03:40
<kamazu>
ok
03:40
what effect will that have?
03:41
<dberkholz>
changes the acceleration architecture from the old one, xaa, to a newer one. depending on what exactly is in this driver, that may or may not speed up your problem issue
03:41
it likely would on radeon or intel, i'm not so sure on matrox
03:42
<kamazu>
so this is likely to be a video card specific issue? if we switch video cards it could improve?
03:43
<dberkholz>
extremely slow scrolling with firefox could potentially be a video driver issue.
03:43
it also could be other things
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03:44
<dberkholz>
you may want to profile your problem to figure out whether it's cpu-bound, network-bound or io-bound.
03:45
<kamazu>
when we removed glx and dri support on the server, the image performanced improved a lot
03:45
what tools can we use to check the CPU/Net/IO ?
03:46
re dri on server: with dri enabled moving the mouse around in front of an image sent load > 5
03:46
<dberkholz>
top, vmstat, iostat, tcpdump
03:46
<kamazu>
with dri and glx off, there was no issue
03:46
thanks for those
03:46
didn't know vmstat or iostat
03:47
<dberkholz>
extremely useful tools
03:48
<kamazu>
I thought it was odd that just moving the cursor in front of the image sent the load so high
03:48
no scrolling, just moving the mouse
03:48
<dberkholz>
you could try flipping between swcursor and hwcursor options in X, but that's sort of a bandaid since scrolling also hurts
03:49
<kamazu>
hmmm...
03:49
ok, thanks for your help on that, we'll try, and come back after a day or two
03:49
we have one more question
03:50
we are having difficulties with local devices not working 100%
03:50
<dberkholz>
i can't help with that bit, i just happen to know a fair bit about X
03:50
<kamazu>
the gnome desktops are getting icons for ALL disk drives in the LTSP server machine (sda1, floppy2, cdrom0, etc)
03:50
ah, too bad
03:51
is there a different forum where we should post ltspfs questions?
03:52
<dberkholz>
here would be a good spot, it's just that people besides me will have to help.
03:52
and it's a bit late in north america right now, where a number of folks are
03:52
<kamazu>
ah
03:53
hee hee
03:53
we're in India ;-)
03:53
it's prime time here
03:53
guess we'd be better off posting earlier in the day
03:54
<dberkholz>
in a few hours, some folks will be waking up
03:54
it's 5am on the east coast
03:54
<kamazu>
ah, good
03:55
it's about time for us to leave the school, but we'll be here for at least two more hours
03:55
thanks again for your advice
03:55
<dberkholz>
you might want to search around the ltsp website and list for your problem too, maybe others have hit it before
03:57
<kamazu>
we've searched google for two weeks
03:58
we found the clue about disabling glx and dri
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05:07
<kamazu>
anyone got advice for getting fuse/ltspfs working?
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06:15
<kamazu>
anyone got advice for getting fuse/ltspfs working?
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06:20
<sep>
kamazu, ask real questions if you expect real answers. my best advice is, install it, read the docs, configure it correctly.
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06:55
<kamazu>
sorry - we knew that it was late for US time, just wanting to find out if someone was awake
06:55
we had a long talk with dberkholz earlier, he suggested we wait a few hours until the US hackers woke up :-)
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06:56
<kamazu>
our problem is the gnome desktops for the clients are getting icons for ALL disk drives in the LTSP server machine (sda1, floppy2, cdrom0, etc)
06:57
also, anytime someone plugs a USB device into the LTSP server, ALL client machines get a nautilus window popping up in their face
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07:14
<cliebow>
kamazu, sbalneav is your man...
07:16
<kamazu>
ok, thanks
07:17
<cliebow>
kamazu, you using edubuntu..ltsp5?
07:17
<kamazu>
yes
07:17
edubuntu/feisty
07:17
<cliebow>
so the twekve step from 4.2 prob wont help you any
07:17
<kamazu>
our difference is we are using LDAP for authentication
07:19
cliebow: what do you mean 'the twekve step'
07:19
<Ryudo>
sbalneav i receveid your email thank you very much !
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07:21
<cliebow>
well..scottie had a troubleshooting checklist for localdevs..but it wont help you here
07:23
<ogra>
thats not localdev
07:24
you need to disable automounting in gconf-editor as root, make it mandatory and default if you dont want the servers drives to show up
07:24
(that doesnt affect localdev)
07:25
<Ryudo>
ogra you can help me ?
07:26
<ogra>
Ryudo, nope, i have to leave now ... later tonight probably
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07:31
<Ryudo>
ok no problem
07:34
<kamazu>
thanks ogra
07:34
we have a seperate problem with localdev mounting
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07:35
<kamazu>
users do not have permission to unmount the drive
07:35
this creates problems when copying files to usb keydrives
07:35
<Guaraldo>
Morning all...
07:36
kamazu: LTSP 5 or 4.x?
07:36
<kamazu>
edubuntu/feisty (ltsp5)
07:37
<Guaraldo>
Oh, kamazu, I recently started working with LTSP 5...
07:38
<ogra>
kamazu, there is no unmount option at al for local devcies in ltsp5 on edubuntu
07:38
<kamazu>
it works for root
07:39
<ogra>
the default install sets up everything to work out of the box, you just need to add the users to the systms fuse group
07:39
dont use root !
07:39
<kamazu>
mounting is working fine
07:39
user pops in usb drive, it mounts
07:39
<ogra>
yeah, it should (out of the box, as i said)
07:39
<kamazu>
then they copy files, and they need to unmount
07:39
<ogra>
no
07:39
ltspfs doesnt need unmounting
07:39
<kamazu>
the option exists in nautilus, but they get permission denied
07:40
<ogra>
it does that trnsparently in the bg if no data flows anymore
07:40
thats not possible, ldm unsets that option during login for all localdev devcies
07:40
<kamazu>
sorry that doesn't seem to make sense
07:40
what is ldm?
07:41
<ogra>
the login manager that used oin ltsp5
07:41
the thing coming up with the default setup on your thin clients for logging in
07:41
(ltsp display manager .... responsible for nearly everything like sound, localdev etc)
07:42
<kamazu>
does it work with LDAP?
07:42
we are not using ldm
07:42
all our configuration is via LDAP
07:42
this is perhaps what is causing problems
07:42
<ogra>
ldm supports ldap
07:42
<kamazu>
we upgraded from dapper => edgy => feisty
07:42
ldm never got installed
07:42
<ogra>
it supports everyting ssh supports, since that is its auth packaend
07:43
*backend
07:43
did you follow the ltsp upgrade instructions and rebuiolt the chroot loke the ubuntu wiki suggests ?
07:43
<kamazu>
yup
07:43
at least back when we did it...
07:43
<ogra>
so you dont have ldm in yur chroot after ltsp-build-client was run ?
07:44
<kamazu>
the docs may have changed in the meanwhile :-)
07:44* ogra cant belive that
07:44
<kamazu>
oops...
07:44
<ogra>
well, since i wrote them i'D know taht :)
07:44
<kamazu>
let me check in the chroot
07:44
sorry, yes, ldm is in the chroot
07:45
I guess we're going to have to read how to get this working with LDM...
07:45
<ogra>
jusz make sure to have ltsp-server/-standalone 5.0.7 and make sure to have wiped the old /opt/ltsp/i386 dir before you run ltsp-build-client
07:45
note that if you ever ran ltsp 4 on that setup it will be a very hard path for you
07:45
4 and 5are not compatible by design
07:46
(4 uses many non standard locations)
07:46
<kamazu>
nope we've only had ltsp5 (since dapper)
07:46
<ogra>
ok
07:46
<kamazu>
we've got ltsp-server 5.0.7
07:47
<ogra>
good
07:47
that brings the right ltsp-build-client
07:47
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP
07:47
see if the versions in the chroot match 5.0.7 .... 0.4.3 fo rltspfs
07:48
<Ryudo>
ogra my terminals after some time of use make logout automatically returning from LDM screen, you know what it can be this?
07:50
<kamazu>
hey ogra, we've done all the steps just as you wrote them on the wiki (thanks for the docs BTW, very handy)
07:50
The problem was the user/groups admin tool does *NOT* talk to LDAP
07:50
ASAWCT
07:50
it only affected the local users/groups
07:51
so we had to manually add a fuse group to LDAP, and add all users to the fuse group
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<kamazu>
oh, ogra, what needs to be edited in gconf-editor to turn off automounting? in the chroot? or not?
07:55
<rafaelcardoso>
hi all AMD CS5536 chipset works with ltsp 4.2?
07:56
<Ryudo>
rafael bom dia
07:56
<rafaelcardoso>
epa bom dia
07:56
<kamazu>
when the usb drive is automounted, the owner of the file in /media/<username>/ is root.root
07:57
<rafaelcardoso>
pra falar portugues tem o ltsp-br ryudo ja levei uma dessas outro dia!!
07:58
<Ryudo>
ops sorry
07:58
<rafaelcardoso>
no problem
07:59
<Ryudo>
kamazu did you know if Ubuntu 7.04 have ltspfs installed by default ?
08:00
<kamazu>
yes
08:00
AFAIK
08:02
<Ryudo>
when i installed ltsp (sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone) ltspfs is installed too ?
08:02
sorry for my bad english :(
08:05
<kamazu>
thank you for all you help.... getting late here in India... bye :)
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08:06
<Ryudo>
by kamazu
08:06
bye
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08:12
<sbalneav_>
Morning all
08:13
<Guaraldo>
Ryudo: ltspfs is part of the ltsp package on version 5...
08:13
<rafaelcardoso>
ogra xorg don't have support for lx800 vga
08:13
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav_: Scottttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! How do you do, dude?
08:13
<sbalneav_>
Hello Guaraldo!
08:14
hm, there's two of me.
08:14
<bengoa>
!s
08:14
<ltspbot`>
bengoa: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:14
<sbalneav>
Am I here too?
08:14
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav_: Yep... sometimes it happens...
08:14
<sbalneav_>
yes I am
08:14
<Ryudo>
morning sbal !
08:14
<sbalneav_>
Then I'll go here
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08:14
<Ryudo>
sbalneav thank you !
08:14
<sbalneav>
And he's gone
08:14
<Ryudo>
i'm received your email !
08:14
<sbalneav>
Morning Ryudo.
08:15
Good
08:15
<Ryudo>
thank you very much :D
08:15
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Did you killed your clone?
08:15
<Ryudo>
sbalneav i need your help again :D
08:15
<sbalneav>
I'm logged in from home via irssi that I left running in screen.
08:15
<Ryudo>
my terminals after some time of use make logout automatically returning from LDM screen, you know what it can be this?
08:16
<sbalneav>
They're running out of ram, most likely
08:16
how much ram do they have in them?
08:16
<Ryudo>
64 mb and 128 mb
08:16
<klausade>
how "smart" is it to use a nfs-mounted partition for nbd-swap...?
08:17
<Ryudo>
nbd is activated for 256 MB
08:17
<sbalneav>
What are you doing at the time you get kicked out? Running firefox?
08:18
klausade: You're generating a lot of extra network traffic, and slowing down your server.
08:18
<klausade>
sbalneav: so I guessed. better without.
08:19
<Ryudo>
yes runing firefox :D
08:20
sbalneav: yes runing firefox :D
08:20
or openoffice
08:21
<sbalneav>
You might want to search either edubuntu-users list or the ltsp-discuss list for the X_RAMPERC fix that I came up with.
08:21
it helps a bit
08:22
basically, firefox behaves badly and allocates insane amounts of memory.
08:22
which starves the client.
08:22
Or, switching to a different browser, like Konqueror, or Opera can help
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08:39
<pablo_>
hi! i guess one of my nics has trouble whith power manager acpi its a realtek8139. in /var/log/messages i see NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 transmit timed out
08:39
and then the link goes up and down sever times and my terminals hang
08:40
how do i completly disable power managment features at boot time? what kernel parameter should i use? im using ubuntu 7.04 (using grub not lilo)
08:41
<rafaelcardoso>
nic is onboard or pci slot?
08:42
<pablo_>
rafaelcardoso: pic slot
08:44
<rafaelcardoso>
clean your realtek card
08:51
<Guaraldo>
pablo_: Try acpi=off
08:57
<rafaelcardoso>
hei anyone uses this thin client http://www.mpasystems.com.au/cgi-bin/mpa.pl?05_products+85_Termtek+42_Thin%20Client%20TK3550CE_TK-WT-35-500
08:57
?
09:02
<Ryudo>
ok thank you
09:03
sbalneav thanks
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09:10
<sbalneav>
ogra: I made a slight addition to the ldm screen script yesterday. I think a buggy via chipset was hanging things up.
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09:12
<jammcq>
goooooood morning folks
09:12
<Ryudo>
jimmmm :D
09:13
X_RAMPERC sbalneav where i find this ?
09:13
i'm search on google
09:15
:(
09:18
jammcq did you know where i find this options on ltsp 5 ? (X_RAMPERC)
09:18
<jammcq>
it doesn't exist in ltsp-5
09:18
it's from ltsp-4
09:18
<ogra>
it does ... in gutsy only though
09:18
<jammcq>
search the edubuntu mailing list. sbalneav was nice enough to post a patch there to make it work
09:19
<Ryudo>
i dont find it :(
09:19
<jammcq>
sbalneav must be napping right now
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09:20
<sbalneav>
I'm looking for it...
09:20
<jammcq>
THERE HE IS :)
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09:20
<Ryudo>
thanks :D
09:20
<sbalneav>
What, can NOBODY ELSE SEARCH THE INTERNET NOW?
09:21
<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, i'm thinking we needs some new shirts that say: "It's not a template, it's just common sense!"
09:21
<Ryudo>
:(
09:23
<sbalneav>
It's in the edubuntu-devel archives.
09:23
<Ryudo>
ok i'm search
09:25
<sbalneav>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2007-September/002379.html
09:26
<Ryudo>
oh thank you again scott ! :D
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09:33* ogra wonders how hard it is to use gmane for searching mails on lists ... we probably should put up a howto :)
09:33
<jammcq>
sure, then they could search the list to find the howto :)
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09:38
<ogra>
heh
09:40
<Ryudo>
:}
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09:47
<sbalneav>
ogra: See my patch to ldm screen script last night?
09:47
Morning, btw/
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09:56
<joebob777as7>
morning ogra, so yesterday when i added that ltsp dir so i could rebuild the image I got this on my client
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<joebob777as7>
errors after rebuild... moung: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument cp: unable to open /rot/etc/ : is a directory mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed no such file or di
09:57
is it because of this warning after image rebuild? Warning: image defined with different port already in inetd.conf
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10:09
<jim_k>
Hello dtrask
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<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, you on? I think i ran across a bug not sure if it's already been fixed. when i went to rebuild image i got the above error and had to manually edit inetd.conf and remove the port 2000 and 2001 lines before build would update inetd config...
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10:16
<sbalneav>
Yeah, there was an extra / that went into ltsp-update-image
10:16
If you want to fix it, short term, edit /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-image
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10:17
<sbalneav>
on line 46
10:17
change BASE=${BASE:-"/opt/ltsp/"} to BASE=${BASE:-"/opt/ltsp"}
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<sbalneav>
jim_k: Don't know if you got my email yet or not. I'm at work, and won't be able to try that document 'till tonight when I get home.
10:19
<jim_k>
sbalneav: just checked and yep, I got it.
10:19
I am reading now,
10:20
I don't think this is the same problem we are seeing in Firefox
10:20
I monitored with xrestop the same as we did with Firefox and can see no increases when printing
10:20
I also checked with "free" and "htop" on the client and also on the server and did not see any significant increases as well
10:21
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, it is building properly now there was an update this morning. I'm gettingt this on my client thought: http://pastebin.ca/697617
10:22
<jim_k>
I will slap some extra ram in and make a huge swap in a few minutes to test as well, just to be sure it isn't spiking faster than those programs refresh
10:22
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: Try an ltsp-update-kernels
10:24
<joebob777as7>
lol worked sbalneav why did that happen?
10:24
<sbalneav>
Don't know
10:24
I had it happen to me last night.
10:24
<jim_k>
sbalneav: Sorry to bother you at work. Please don't assume because I'm sending you the emails that I expect you to jump on things right away, I just want to get you as much info as I can
10:24
<sbalneav>
haven't had time to poke into it.
10:25
I'll get to it as soon as I can.
10:27
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, any idea why my x60 isn't taking the xorg file i'm telling it to? here is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf http://pastebin.ca/696146 and i have xorg.conf-x60 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/
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<joebob777as7>
well actually since then i've updated lts.conf to remove that space : http://pastebin.ca/697628
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<sbalneav>
No idea. If you have SCREEN_02=shell, and look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is it the same as the custom one?
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10:38
<SLEducator>
sbalneav: hi there, do the ltsp 150's have an accessible bios
10:39
<sbalneav>
Don't know
10:39
jammcq would
10:39
<SLEducator>
ty
10:39
jammcq: hi there, do the ltsp 150's have an accessible bios?
10:41
<ogra>
sbalneav, seeing your PM win ?
10:41
<joebob777as7>
hmm... it appears to be
10:42
<sbalneav>
ogra: You see what I just type?
10:43
<ogra>
no
10:43
seems youre not registered
10:43
<sbalneav>
crumb.
10:46
<joebob777as7>
ogra, ok so the xorg is now getting replaced on my laptop. but I still can not get compiz to enable... ?
11:01
ogra you available?
11:04
<sbalneav>
What does it say when you try to enable it>
11:04
?
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<joebob777as7>
well if i type compiz --replace i get: http://pastebin.ca/697672
11:08
<sbalneav>
You're using Gutsy?
11:08
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, tes
11:08
*yes
11:08
<sbalneav>
Maybe try setting LDM_DIRECTX=True in your Defaults section
11:08
see if that works
11:08
compiz doesn't think the card can handle 3d
11:09
<joebob777as7>
so i need to change that on the server and then reboot the client for it to take. ?
11:09
<sbalneav>
That's correct.
11:09
<joebob777as7>
what's weird about this is that this is the xorg file from my local install on the same system where it works perfect...
11:12
<sbalneav>
Dude, I'm sitting here, laughing. Can you hear me? What'd I tell you about compiz? Hmmm? What'd I tell you.
11:13
<joebob777as7>
it works perfect on my feisty install ltsp server.
11:13
<sbalneav>
Sure.
11:13
They've made TONS of changes since then, haven't they?
11:13
<joebob777as7>
even recognizes my laptops graphics card i didn't need to make it replace xorg.
11:14
<sbalneav>
They're NOT TESTING it on remote displays, so there's NO GUARENTEE it'll work.
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<sbalneav>
I couldn't get it to work the other night, either.
11:15
Since feisty, they've gone through the whole compiz/beryl fusion.
11:15
who know's what's been done.
11:16
<joebob777as7>
so after i update the lts.conf i need to do image update. do i need to update kernel as well?
11:16
<sbalneav>
no, you don't need an image update
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11:17
<sbalneav>
not for an lts.conf chance, if you're changing in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/
11:17
<joebob777as7>
oh ok...
11:18
<sbalneav>
If it doesn't work with that, then it's a compiz bug, or compiz itself has decided that they won't support remote displays.
11:18
so I'd file a bug against compiz
11:20
<joebob777as7>
ok i'll do that
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11:40
<Ryudo>
!ldm
11:40
<ltspbot`>
Ryudo: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
11:43
<K_O-Gnom>
hmm i got a little crazy event here ... one client can connect to the ltsp over tftp ... and the other client (copy paste setting and edit ip and mac) not ..
11:44
did somebody hav an idea?
11:44
(both clients get an ip)
11:50
<sbalneav>
Something with dhcp, I'd expect.
11:50
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: me too .. copy paste the settings again did not solve
11:56
crab wehere is the mistake ..
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11:58
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, posted bug for compiz
12:00
<K_O-Gnom>
i only change that fu.... ing ip and now i cant boot with one client ..
12:00
<joebob777as7>
ogra, do you think it's an issue with chroot? because when i go to to /etc/X11/xorg.conf it thinks it's my nvidia card on my server...
12:01
<K_O-Gnom>
joebob777as7: did you look at it when you loged in X? then you look on the server xorg.conf ... you need to look for that one on the client over a client console ..
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<K_O-Gnom>
wb ogra
12:03
<joebob777as7>
K_O-Gnom, on the console it gives me correct xorg.conf but the error's compiz spits at me like it doesn't see it or something...
12:04
http://pastebin.ca/697672
12:05
<sbalneav>
No, that's fine.
12:05
compiz checks a bunch of things.
12:05
<joebob777as7>
ok
12:05
<sbalneav>
it's not finding any xgl support
12:06
<K_O-Gnom>
hmpf ... when i change the dhcp server (to that one on the ltsp server it workes ..)
12:06
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, does that mean that's it's my xorg.conf file or something else?
12:07
<sbalneav>
Is glx installed in the chroot?
12:07
dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l | grep glx
12:10
<joebob777as7>
ii libgl1-mesa-glx 7.0.1-1ubuntu1 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- G
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<K_O-Gnom>
hmmm no i REALY DONT know whats happening ... i testet my old dhcp on a other PC with that client and it workes fine ... so i copied that part of the config file to the new one and whats happening ... nothing ..
12:11
<sbalneav>
got "load glx" in the xorg.conf-m60 or whatever it's called?
12:12
K_O-Gnom: Dude, when you gonna PASTE the dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
12:12
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: now :-)
12:13
<sbalneav>
My psychic powers aren't working today.
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12:16
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: Got a bug number so I can follow activity?
12:17
and did you check for glx in the xorg.conf?
12:17
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: ;-) http://phpfi.com/262867 <- work means the working client and not work the notworking client
12:17
<joebob777as7>
glx is not there bug is 39648
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12:19
<sbalneav>
Well, that's a problem
12:19
add a Load "glx" in the Modules section
12:20
better make sure dri is there too.
12:20
joebob777as7: And.... where's that bug filed at? Not Ubuntu.
12:21
<joebob777as7>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/139648
12:21
lol sorry forgot the 1
12:21
<sbalneav>
ah
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12:22
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: some ideas?
12:23
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, i don't hvae anything about dri or glx in my xorg.conf on that laptop in my working install...
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<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: Humour me, would you? Add them in.
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12:24
<joebob777as7>
ok :)
12:24
<sbalneav>
K_O-Gnom: Nope
12:24
Have you restarted dhcpd?
12:24
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: yes
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<joebob777as7>
what do i do with dri?
12:25
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: and the SAME config file workes on a different dhcp server (pc)
12:25
<sbalneav>
same thing: Load "dri" under Modules.
12:26
I'm stepping out for some lunch.
12:26
be back in a bit.
12:26
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, ok also does it matter that there is no modules section? i added one...
12:31
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra:http://phpfi.com/262867 <- did you have any idea?
12:31
<ogra>
what happens if you drip the if caluse and make them identical ?
12:31
*clause
12:32
*drop :)
12:32
<K_O-Gnom>
atm ive got it running like you think ... dont work
12:32
<ogra>
are you 100% sure there is no other dhcp server the clients could reach ?
12:33
that would break netbooting
12:33
<K_O-Gnom>
yes i am .. router deactivatet dhcp and on the ltsp server too ..
12:33
<ogra>
do you see the dicover requests in the logs ?
12:33
*discover
12:33
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: wich log?
12:33
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, when you get back this is the new output from compiz --replace
12:33
http://pastebin.ca/697755
12:34
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, the one of your dhcp server
12:35
<joebob777as7>
ogra, have any ideas for me?
12:35
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: yes discover and offer i see
12:35
<ogra>
joebob777as7, nope, you have a proper compiz error output, the compiz guys should be able to help though
12:36
(and if you talk to them please show them the right config file ;) )
12:36
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: if i deactivate the new one (i changed the server hardware) and activate the old one (with same settings over C&P) it workes
12:36
<joebob777as7>
joebob777as7, all you need to do is use correct xorg.conf on the client and disable ltsp's x config
12:38
ogra, one guy is telling me to rebuild from source. He has it working... do i go to chroot and do that?
12:38
<ogra>
no
12:38
if you rebuild anything from yource youre on your own
12:39
i wont be able to help ...
12:39
<joebob777as7>
ok then i won't
12:39
<ogra>
just ask them with that error
12:39
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: any idea about my prob?
12:39
<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, not really but then i'm not really familiar with that ancient stuff ... dhcp config looks ok on first sight
12:40
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: i think its ok ... because it workes on other server ..
12:40
<ogra>
well, whats the error you see on the client ?
12:40
any output there ?
12:40
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: the client gehts the ip and then says PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
12:41
<ogra>
and your inetd is set up properly to server tftp i guess?
12:41
*serve
12:41
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: i use in.tftp and its running
12:41
(because inetd dont worke here ..
12:41
(dont know why
12:42
<ogra>
afaik booting doesnt work with steadily running tftpd ... but that might have been different two years ago when 4.2 was current
12:43
in any case your problem lies somewhere between dhcp and tftp
12:43
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: the crap thing iss i use a different client where i copy paste the settings and change the mac and ip and that one workes ..
12:43
<joebob777as7>
<dave_largo> Ok, is it possible the clients have a firewall or need -ac configured when they start X?
12:43
<ogra>
n
12:43
<joebob777as7>
<dave_largo> It almost seems like compiz can't remote display to them.
12:43
<dave_largo> Like it can't find them or connect to them
12:43
<ogra>
no
12:44
i guess you ran through ther debugging prodcedures ? like finding out if DRI wirks, if glxinfo sees all the stuff it needs etc ?
12:45
<loather-work>
compiz is really only designed to be run on the console
12:45
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav had me add load dri and load glx to [modules] in xorg.conf it didn't work it didn't even have a modules section until i added it...
12:45
<ogra>
loather-work, ?
12:46
loather-work, it works fine and savey a lot of badwith if it does on feisty ...
12:46
<loather-work>
meaning, while it'll sometimes work on a remote display, your chances of success are rather slim
12:46
<ogra>
*saves
12:47* sbalneav sits and cackles manaiacly
12:47
<K_O-Gnom>
grrr
12:47
ogra: now i copied the settings again from the not working to the working ... change the mac and it workes ..
12:47
grrrr
12:48
<ogra>
joebob777as7, well, googling your error gives exactly 266 results on google ... some f them might be helpful
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<Amaranth>
hi
12:48
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: I've never seen this xorg.conf of yours, could you paste it?
12:48
to the pastebot?
12:48
<ogra>
Amaranth, :)
12:48
Amaranth, i explained it in -devel
12:49
<Amaranth>
i saw
12:49
ogra: that reminds me, do you have compiz working with ltsp?
12:49
<ogra>
joebob777as7, Amaranth is a compiz guy, he probably might know the magic involved
12:49
Amaranth, you made it work in seville ;) i didnt try much in gutsy yet
12:50
as the only thing i can test it with is the classmate and thats currently needed as dev platform :)
12:50
<Amaranth>
ah
12:50
joebob777as7: do you have a pastebin or something of the error you get when compiz starts?
12:50
joebob777as7: or is it starting but not working right?
12:50
<ogra>
http://pastebin.ca/697755
12:50
Amaranth, ^^^
12:51
<joebob777as7>
http://pastebin.ca/696120 is my xorg.conf
12:51
<Amaranth>
hmm
12:51
<K_O-Gnom>
crab why does that only happen on fridays?
12:51
<Amaranth>
i have seen this
12:51
let me think
12:51
<ogra>
joebob777as7, did you say you added a module section ?
12:52
hmm and the files section is empty
12:52
intresting that X even starts with that
12:52
<joebob777as7>
yes then i removed them when i got the same error. i kept a backup...
12:53
the weird thing is that it works dang perfect on my local install :)
12:53
<ogra>
that not weird
12:53
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: try DefaultDepth 16?
12:53
<ogra>
X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 in lts.conf
12:53
err
12:53
<Amaranth>
it can't get a GLXFBConfig for your current depth
12:53
<ogra>
no, you have to edit the file since you use a static file ... i forgot
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<K_O-Gnom>
why does one client with that config boot and one does not? .. CRAAAAAB :-/
12:54
<joebob777as7>
ogra do i need to rebuild image after editing lts.conf?
12:54
<ogra>
not if you use it from the right place
12:54
<Amaranth>
brb
12:55
<joebob777as7>
the guy over on compiz fusion says it works perfect on his machines he's running xdmcp though...
12:55
<loather-work>
so. how do I get my clients to do broadcast xdmcp instead of whatever the default is in ltsp 5?
12:56
<ogra>
loather-work, if you can live without any features (localdev/sound etc) you can set SCREEN_07=startx as you could with former ltsp versions as well
12:57
<sbalneav>
You need to enable it in gdm as well.
12:57
<ogra>
yeah
12:57
<loather-work>
well, localdevs i can live without. I don't particularly want the users to be able to do that anyways (although it's an awesome feature: kudos). The sound, on the other hand, I do need.
12:57
yea, it's enabled in gdm
12:57
<joebob777as7>
so should i leave the LDM_DIRECT=True in my lts.conf?
12:57
<loather-work>
well, xdm, but same thing really
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<ogra>
well, you would need to export PULSE_SERVER somehow and set up the alsa emulation manually for every user for that
12:58
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: this is not an ltsp problem
12:58
<ogra>
that *could* give you sound ... no promises as nobody of the devs touches XDMCP anymore
12:58
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: we have a bug open for regular intel users too
12:58
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, i got the same output when changing color depth
12:58
<loather-work>
that sounds painful
12:58
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: hmm
12:59
joebob777as7: try the i810 driver :)
12:59
<ogra>
joebob777as7, LDM_DIRECT is invalid and will be ignored ... LDM_DIRECTX otoh would work :)
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12:59* K_O-Gnom walks crying into a corner
12:59
<sbalneav>
And, theoretically, at least, there should be NO difference between xdmcp, and LDM_DIRECTX
12:59
<ogra>
well, apart from secure passwords :)
13:00
<cyberorg>
Amaranth, you hack on ltsp too? :)
13:00
<sbalneav>
heh, I meant in terms of X functionality.
13:00
<Amaranth>
cyberorg: no :)
13:00
<joebob777as7>
so should i change it to LDM_DIRECTX?
13:00
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: try the i810 driver first
13:00
<ogra>
joebob777as7, i doubt that helps with compiz ...
13:00
<cyberorg>
Amaranth, you can make a nicer ltsp-manager for us ;)
13:01
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: as i said, this is not an ltsp problem, we have a bug open for this with regular ubuntu too
13:01
<ogra>
cyberorg, hey, he should finish willow-ng first :)
13:01
<Amaranth>
but i don't have intel hardware so...
13:01
<cyberorg>
ogra, what's that?
13:01
<Amaranth>
cyberorg: content filtering proxy that uses a bayesian classifier
13:01
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, but why would it work perfect on my local install?
13:02
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: in that case i dunno :)
13:02
<ogra>
cyberorg, the coolest webfilter ever :)
13:02
cyberorg, for content filtering ....
13:02
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: maybe it is an ltsp problem, i didn't know it worked locally
13:02
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, do i change driver to i810 or intel i810 ?
13:02
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: i810
13:02
<cyberorg>
ah, i use squidGuard, but i would love something nice :)
13:02
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, it works great locally
13:02* sbalneav throws up hands
13:02
<ogra>
joebob777as7, the local install on the laptop is gutsy, right ?
13:03
<joebob777as7>
yes
13:03
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, its one of these apps that persist in contant beta status :)
13:03
<Amaranth>
ok then try the i810 driver then
13:03
<sbalneav>
No point in helping joebob777as7, he's not listening to what I tell him, and constantly asks other people questions I've already given him answers to.
13:03
<Amaranth>
the intel driver in feisty had some issues
13:04
<cyberorg>
oO google beta
13:04
<ogra>
cyberorg, just needs somebody who has time to give it a bit love
13:04
<Amaranth>
cyberorg: no, real beta :)
13:04
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, same issue
13:04
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: in that case i dunno
13:04
<cyberorg>
ogra, i need my work tested on different ltsp hardware, any vendors frequent here who could do that?
13:05
<Amaranth>
try edubuntu gutsy? :)
13:05
<joebob777as7>
LDM_DIRECTX didn't work either
13:05
<ogra>
cyberorg, its nt finished, but requires little to do so ... sadly the developer is busy with way more important stuff :)
13:05
<Amaranth>
hehe
13:05
<monteslu>
sbalneav, orgra, the stability issues I've been having seem to be cleared up by going back to ldm_directx=true, but now thumb drives are broke again.... maybe I'll just wait to 7.10 to try and have both working
13:05
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, on laptop install?
13:05
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: no...
13:05
<sbalneav>
monteslu: How are they broken?
13:05
<Amaranth>
compiz in feisty sucked anyway
13:05
<ogra>
monteslu, we changed some stuff in ltspfs 0.5
13:05
sbalneav, he's using gutsy ...
13:05
<Amaranth>
you'd be awfully disappointed if you did get it working
13:06
<ogra>
Amaranth, ??
13:06
<monteslu>
sbalneav, it was the wierd problem where it mounted but couldnt connect to x
13:06
<ogra>
it was way better than running locally on the classmate at least
13:06
<Amaranth>
ogra: we did some evil things to it
13:06
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, i do have it working in feisty edubuntu and was dissapointed so i'm here :)
13:06
<ogra>
Amaranth, ah
13:06
<sbalneav>
monteslu: have you updated your packages? and rebuilt your chroot?
13:06
<monteslu>
brb
13:06
nope
13:06
update, not rebuild
13:06
t
13:06
<ogra>
aha
13:06
<Amaranth>
ogra: did you ever try switching workspaces or did you go straight to viewports + cube?
13:06
<sbalneav>
From the last ltsp packages, I rebuilt my chroot and localdev works fine.
13:07
I'd do that.
13:07
<monteslu>
cool. will do
13:07
brb, lunch :)
13:07
<ogra>
Amaranth, since i'm only able to see compiz at all via xgl (which sucks heavily) no, i didnt :)
13:07
<Amaranth>
ogra: hehe
13:07
ogra: if you change workspaces your panels and nautilus go away
13:07
<ogra>
fun :
13:07
:)
13:07
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: now i typed the config from the not working server into the config from the working server ... and what happens?
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<ogra>
works ?
13:08
<Amaranth>
compiz in feisty was 0.3.6 + every single change in 0.4 that didn't break API/ABI
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<ogra>
heh
13:08
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: yes you got 100points :-)
13:08
<Amaranth>
some of those changes needed the things that did break ABI/API
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<ogra>
K_O-Gnom, copy/paste issue, eh ?
13:08
vagrantc, !
13:08* vagrantc springs into action
13:08
<ogra>
heh
13:08
<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: i typed it manually and it workes ..on the workin server ..
13:09
<ogra>
ah
13:10
<joebob777as7>
what still baffles me is that i'm using a working xorg.conf on pretty much the same system and it's not just working... it's like it doesn't even see that it should work....
13:10
<cyberorg>
ogra, about hardwares to test? ^^
13:11
<loather-work>
ok wtf
13:11
the X config keeps getting generated with wacom crap in there
13:11
<joebob777as7>
loather-work, always does
13:11
<ogra>
loather-work, yes
13:11
<K_O-Gnom>
WHY WHY god WHY ?
13:12
<loather-work>
ok, that's all fine and dandy
13:12
<ogra>
loather-work, doesnt do any harm but makes all wacom devices work
13:12
<loather-work>
but it's keeping my X server from starting
13:12
<ogra>
surely now
13:12
*not
13:12
<loather-work>
i comment out all the wacom stuff, and it starts working
13:12
<ogra>
tahst feisty ?
13:12
(7.04)
13:12
<loather-work>
no, this is the 6.1.0 tarball from the website
13:13
<K_O-Gnom>
hmm i cant fix it so ive fot to have 2 dhcps running ..
13:13
s/fot/got
13:13
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, I can't rightly explain to the compiz guys that I am having an issue when in reality that xorg.conf works...
13:13
they tell me it's not a compiz bug
13:14
<ogra>
loather-work, ouch .... you should at least take the 7.04 one :)
13:14
<loather-work>
http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-5.0/ltsp_ubuntu_feisty_i386-1.tar.bz2 <--- this one?
13:15
<joebob777as7>
yes loather-work
13:15
<ogra>
joebob777as7, LDM_DIRECTX enables XDMCP transport for everything but passwords, if the guy has it working with XDMCP there is no reason ltsp could be in the way here
13:15
loather-work, which host OS btw ?
13:15
<loather-work>
F7
13:15
<ogra>
you will need some tweaks ...
13:15
<loather-work>
undoubtedly.
13:16
<ogra>
ubuntu expects Xsession to be in /etc/X11/
13:16
<joebob777as7>
ok well i think he was running feisty anyway... i'll ask
13:16
<ogra>
you'll need to link your Xsession or so ...
13:16
<white_n_azz>
does ltsp 5 have fairly decent support for ppc architecture?
13:16
<loather-work>
shouldn't be a problem
13:16
<joebob777as7>
white_n_azz, i believe so eys
13:17
yes*
13:17
<ogra>
white_n_azz, we have the ability for ppc ... but i dont think anyone has tested that in the last 12 months
13:17
<white_n_azz>
does it build for me or do I install on a local system and copy files over?
13:17
<joebob777as7>
worked for me just fine on my friends laptop he brought over
13:17* ogra isnt sure what cliebow is running on his ppcs
13:17* vagrantc will try and test powerpc, sparc and alpha next week
13:17
<ogra>
cool
13:17
<joebob777as7>
white_n_azz, ltsp-build-client --arch ppc
13:18
<ogra>
white_n_azz, the latter
13:18
<vagrantc>
white_n_azz: yes, you install on the appropriate architecture and copy over /opt/ltsp/powerpc
13:18
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client needs the ppc cpu during build on the host
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13:18
<ogra>
with gutsy even only the squashfs image ;)
13:18
<vagrantc>
sure
13:19
<white_n_azz>
OK thanks - I've got 4.2 running and am going to be demonstrating to boss in a little while but I am hoping not to have to go all the way to ppc demo because we will buy a new server for the purpose
13:19
<vagrantc>
+ kernel + initramfs
13:19
<ogra>
yeah
13:19
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: i think you just need gutsy
13:19
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, I am running GUTSY
13:19
<K_O-Gnom>
hmm so now ive got to mac based dhcps running and it seems to be working ..
13:20
<joebob777as7>
K_O-Gnom, good job
13:20
<vagrantc>
openfirmware is all kinds of buggy
13:20
at least, some versions
13:20
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, my local laptop install where i got the xorg.conf has gutsy and the ltsp server has gutsy
13:20
<white_n_azz>
Apple is perpetual beta sold for top dollars
13:21
<joebob777as7>
white_n_azz, isn't that the same with vista?
13:21
<Amaranth>
i thought you said the server was feisty
13:21
joebob777as7: anyway, i dunno man
13:21
<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, no it works on my other ltsp server that is feisty
13:21
<white_n_azz>
perhaps - but you have to know I would never EVER buy Vista
13:21
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: i guess you just don't get compiz
13:21
joebob777as7: it's no big deal
13:21
I'd be more concerned if it started but didn't work right
13:22
<joebob777as7>
lol Amaranth it is a big deal to me. that's like saying oh well it doesn't work you don't get gdm...
13:22
<Amaranth>
Not really, compiz is a bonus
13:22
<joebob777as7>
i think gdm is a bonus :)
13:23
<K_O-Gnom>
joebob777as7: its only a temporary solution ... not realy good ..
13:23
<joebob777as7>
compiz has many usability features that my boss says we have to have...
13:23
Amaranth, i just want to get to the bottom of this error and find out if it's ltsp or compiz then whoever needs to will fix it...
13:24
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: ltsp or intel
13:24
not compiz
13:24
<joebob777as7>
?
13:24
<Amaranth>
the spot where it's failing means your X server doesn't have a GLXFBConfig for your depth
13:24
that cannot possibly be compiz's fault
13:25
<joebob777as7>
yeah but the same intel driver is working on my local install therefore it must be ltsp... it's just a question of where compiz is finding that the GLXFBConfig doesn't work in comparison to where it does work on local install
13:25
<Amaranth>
and intel has little to no short-term interest in making compiz work better
13:25
<sbalneav>
Unless compiz isn't testing things correctly because of the remote display.
13:25
<Amaranth>
sbalneav: it uses glx
13:26
<sbalneav>
I understand that.
13:26
<Amaranth>
sbalneav: glXGetFBConfigs
13:26
if that fails on a remote display the remote display is broken
13:26
<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: is it one of the cards that requires the 915resolution package ?
13:26
<sbalneav>
Doesn't mean there isn't some kind of problem with that over remote displays. Or that it returns different information for a remote display that compiz doesn't interpret correctly.
13:27
<joebob777as7>
vagrantc, it did in feisty but not in gutsy
13:27
<Amaranth>
vagrantc: 912resolution is only needed for the i810 driver
13:27
<sbalneav>
I don't think you can just make a blanket assertion that it isn't compiz.
13:27
<Amaranth>
915*
13:27
the intel driver doesn't need it
13:27
sbalneav: well since i have no access to ltsp... :)
13:27
sbalneav: find out what that returns? :)
13:28
<vagrantc>
seems like a simple test if it's compiz or not is to try a simpler window manager ...
13:28
<sbalneav>
Or, say, glxgears
13:28
<Amaranth>
vagrantc: no other window manager will use glXGetFBConfigs
13:28
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: can you run glxgears?
13:29
<joebob777as7>
booting...
13:29
<ogra>
or glxinfo :)
13:30
<sbalneav>
Amaranth:
13:30
oin$ glXGetFBConfigs
13:30
bash: glXGetFBConfigs: command not found
13:30
<ogra>
also, when you changed the xorg.conf to i810, did you not forget to rebuild the image ? and installed 915resolution ?
13:32
<Amaranth>
sbalneav: glxgears does not use glXGetFBConfigs
13:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, ??
13:32
<Amaranth>
sbalneav: it's a function, you have to call it from a C program
13:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, trying to make bash a C interpreter ?`
13:32
<sbalneav>
I have no idea
13:32
<joebob777as7>
glxinfo... http://pastebin.ca/697806
13:33* Amaranth wonders if _anything_ uses that other than compiz
13:33
<sbalneav>
I know nothing about 3d or compiz
13:33
<joebob777as7>
ogra, i didn't know i needed to rebuild image. i didn't do it when sbalneav told me to add modules section either...
13:33
<Amaranth>
joebob777as7: normally i'd freak out about direct rendering saying no but i guess it wouldn't be :)
13:34
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: You're STILL not on LDM_DIRECTX
13:34
<Amaranth>
oh jeez
13:34
<sbalneav>
I asked you to swith to that.
13:34* Amaranth goes elsewhere
13:34
<ogra>
joebob777as7, xorg.conf change == image rebuild needed
13:34
<Amaranth>
I've got bugs to squash :)
13:34
<ogra>
Amaranth, thanks for dropping by though
13:35
<Amaranth>
If he actually does that stuff and it still doesn't work just file a bug
13:35
<ogra>
yeah
13:35
<Amaranth>
Although I don't have enough computers to run ltsp so...
13:35
<ogra>
2 suffice :)
13:35
<Amaranth>
i have 1
13:35
<ogra>
and a crossover cable
13:35
virtualbox makes nice thin clients as well ;)
13:35
<Amaranth>
but then i have to install the server on my laptop :P
13:36
<ogra>
thats what i do :)
13:36* ogra never travels without his ltsp server ...
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13:37* vagrantc does likewise
13:37
<Amaranth>
also virtualbox can't run compiz
13:37
<ogra>
saved many peoples butts already ... i you have trashed your system in an unbootable condition, ltsp is an awesome recovery tool ;)
13:38* ogra often helped people at dev conferences with their briken laptops already ;)
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<joebob777as7>
Amaranth, tried i810 no worky.
13:47
sbalneav, running LDM_DIRECTX
13:48
<ogra>
you mean you enabled it now ?
13:48
<joebob777as7>
yes
13:48
LDM_DIRECTX=true
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13:49
<ogra>
echo $DISPLAY (in a gnome terminal ...) what does this return
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13:50
<dniel>
vagrantc: hi!!!
13:51
<vagrantc>
vagrantc: buenos dias
13:51
<dniel>
vagrantc: I could run the X in my thin client!
13:51
<vagrantc>
dniel: good :)
13:51
<dniel>
vagrantc: in Debian Lenny
13:52* ogra applauds
13:52
<dniel>
ogra: thanks!
13:52
<ogra>
vagrantc, did you switch to ltspfs 0.5 already ?
13:53
(adds extra security)
13:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, so localdev in sid is broken
13:53
<ogra>
well, easy fix :)
13:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: plan on doing it this weekend or early next week
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13:55
<dniel>
vagrantc: but there are somethings that is wrong because i couldn't start X from the ldm. Instead I had to use the "startx" command
13:55
<vagrantc>
dniel: oh, that's not good.
13:55
<dniel>
vagrantc: :(
13:55
<vagrantc>
dniel: did you get a login screen with LDM, but just couldn't log in ?
13:56
<dniel>
vagrantc: yes!
13:56
vagrantc: exactly
13:57
vagrantc: why?
13:57
<george719>
can i get some tips on tftp timeouts
13:57
<dniel>
vagrantc: why it happend?
13:57
<vagrantc>
dniel: dpkg -l openssh-server xbase-clients | egrep ^ii
13:57
<joebob777as7>
george719, are you sure dhcp is working?
13:58
<george719>
yes get ip
13:58
<dniel>
ii openssh-server 1:4.6p1-4+b1 secure shell server, an rshd replacement
13:58
ii xbase-clients 1:7.2.ds2-2 miscellaneous X clients
13:58* ogra suggests ltsp-update-sshkeys
13:59
<ogra>
dniel, what was the error ldm showed ?
13:59
<vagrantc>
python ldm shows no errors! muahahahahaaaa
13:59
<ogra>
oh, you dont have ldm2 in lenny ?
13:59
ldm2 does :)
13:59
<vagrantc>
ogra: just uploaded to sid a couple days ago
13:59
<ogra>
ah
14:00
<vagrantc>
and it's going to wait until new ltspfs gets uploaded before it hits lenny
14:00
<dniel>
ogra: doesn't show error.
14:00
<george719>
new install on mepis 6.5 and ltsp 4.1
14:00
<ogra>
dniel, i thought you use ldm2 already ... wasnt aware
14:01
<vagrantc>
dniel: as root, run ltsp-update-sshkeys
14:01
dniel: and then comment out the line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that uses startx
14:01
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, apparently when i rebuild xorg.conf-x60 with modules section dir and xgl it won't ever display ldm...
14:01
<dniel>
vagrantc: yes. I run it, but nothing!
14:01
<vagrantc>
dniel: actually, can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot ?
14:01
!pastebot
14:01
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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14:02
<dniel>
vagrantc: i havent lts.conf
14:02
<vagrantc>
dniel: ah, good. :)
14:02
dniel: wait, how do you get it to use startx, then ?
14:02
<ogra>
heh
14:03
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: Paste the entire xorg.conf to the pastebot again?
14:03
<vagrantc>
sometimes it seems like 75% of the problems with LTSP5 is people using lts.conf from LTSP 4.x
14:03
<ogra>
yeah
14:04
<dniel>
vagrantc: in a SCREEN_2 i run the startx command
14:04
<ogra>
well, gutsy has a big warning
14:04
even thats for the location change of lts.conf it should make people cutious
14:04
*cautious
14:05
<vagrantc>
dniel: how do you define SCREEN_2 ?
14:06
<dniel>
vagrantc: I push Ctrl+Alt+F2, then I login me and then i run startx command in the bash
14:06
<ogra>
vagrantc, wow, you start gettys on all ttys ?
14:06
<vagrantc>
dniel: did you set a password for root, or enable an account ?
14:06
<joebob777as7>
http://pastebin.ca/697848
14:06* ogra has only tty1 left in ubuntu
14:07
<dniel>
vagrantc: yes, i do
14:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, no configuration of defaults.
14:07
dniel: ok ...
14:07
<ogra>
joebob777as7, Section "Module" ....
14:07
singular
14:07
<dniel>
ogra: I did't configure my lts.conf
14:08
<ogra>
dniel, i understood that
14:08
<vagrantc>
dniel: ok, so from there, type: ssh USER@server (USER is a user on your LTSP server)
14:08
<dniel>
ogra: I am argentinian... my english is bad :(
14:08
ogra: jaja
14:08
<ogra>
dniel, your english is fine, i understand everything you say :)
14:08
<vagrantc>
and that's coming from a german
14:08
<dniel>
ogra: jajaj thanks!
14:09
<ogra>
:)
14:10
<dniel>
vagrantc: Should I type this from a thing client?
14:10
<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "xorg.conf-scott for joebob" (124 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/319
14:10
<vagrantc>
dniel: yes, from the thin client
14:10
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: You've got Modules instead of Module
14:11
use that one
14:11
<dniel>
vagrantc: I am in a server, wait a one minute please!
14:12
vagrantc: i will shut up my thin client
14:12
<vagrantc>
dniel: shut down ?
14:12
dniel: or start up? :)
14:13
<dniel>
vagrantc: jajaja yes!
14:13
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, "shut up" would be a merge of both, no ? that would mean reboot ;)
14:14
<vagrantc>
ogra: heh
14:14
well, "shut up" typically has other meanings in english
14:14
<ogra>
yeah
14:15
<Amaranth>
It seems to lead to fist fights around here
14:15
<ogra>
lol
14:15
<dniel>
vagrantc: jajaj
14:15
vagrantc: okey i'm here
14:16* vagrantc has been actively practicing aikido again
14:16* vagrantc rolls
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14:16
<ogra>
cool
14:16
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: That new one work better?
14:16
<joebob777as7>
booting it now
14:17* ogra practices manual lawn mowing again :)
14:17
<joebob777as7>
rebuild takes forever
14:17
<vagrantc>
dniel: so, ssh from the thin client to the server worked ?
14:17
<dniel>
vagrantc: yes
14:17
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, same exact error. want me to try it with color depth of 16?
14:17
<dniel>
vagrantc: it works
14:18
<sbalneav>
But X starts now, correct?
14:18
<ogra>
joebob777as7, but your DISPLAY variable is set right and not showing localhost:11, right ?
14:19
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: What's the value of your $DISPLAY var?
14:19
env | grep DISPLAY
14:19
<dniel>
vagrantc: when i login in the ldm the display flashes and it returns to ldm
14:19
<joebob777as7>
DISPLAY=10.0.0.249:6.0
14:20
<ogra>
good
14:20
<sbalneav>
ok
14:20
<ogra>
LDM_DIRECTX is fine then
14:20
<vagrantc>
dniel: ok, try to log in, and look what /var/log/ldm.log says
14:20
dniel: /var/log/ldm.log on the thin client
14:20
<dniel>
vagrantc: okey!
14:21
<sbalneav>
Then compiz simply isn't liking the remote display.
14:21
<vagrantc>
dniel: other place to look is /home/USER/.xsession-errors on the server
14:21
<sbalneav>
So it's either a bug in compiz
14:21
<ogra>
intel i guess
14:22
<sbalneav>
or it's a bug in xorg that's not reporting something right to compiz
14:22
<ogra>
i810 and 915resolution might probably do better
14:22
<dniel>
vagrantc: whait!!!
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<sbalneav>
maybe
14:22
<ogra>
well, thats what we used in feisty in seville on the classmate ...
14:23
<sbalneav>
He doesn't need the 915 resolution, right? It just will default to 1024x768
14:23
so changing the "intel" driver to i810 would be the last thing to try.
14:23
<ogra>
i think compiz expects it, not sure
14:23
<sbalneav>
in the xorg.conf
14:23
<vagrantc>
dniel: what what? :)
14:24
<dniel>
vagrantc: i put in ldm my username and my pass of my linux (of the server) and now it work!!!
14:24
<vagrantc>
dniel: ah, good :)
14:24
<sbalneav>
AFAIK, 915 just makes sure that for odd resolutions (1400x900 or whatever) it reads the right info from the chip
14:24
<joebob777as7>
so should i change xorg back to i810?
14:24
<sbalneav>
without it, things work, but maybe at the wrong res.
14:24
<ogra>
sbalneav, i dont think glx is enabled if the resolution isnt proper
14:24
<sbalneav>
really?
14:24
<vagrantc>
i wonder if we shouldn't generate ssh_known_hosts on boot instead of on chroot creation
14:24
<sbalneav>
That I'm not aware of.
14:24
<vagrantc>
then the ip address would always be correct.
14:25
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, you could grab my if-up.d script
14:25
<vagrantc>
ogra: oh, we have it ...
14:25
<ogra>
hmm
14:25
<vagrantc>
ogra: but it still seems like there are occasional situations where it gets messed up
14:25
<ogra>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
ogra: opposed to generating on boot instead ?
14:26
<dniel>
vagrantc: but i put my user and my pass of my user (of the server). I didn't put the user and pass of the user of /opt/ltsp/i386
14:26
<vagrantc>
dniel: correct!
14:26
<dniel>
14:26
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, then we'd need an initscript ...
14:26
<vagrantc>
dniel: no usa usarios de /opt/ltsp/i386 ... usa usarios del servidor
14:27
ogra: well, we still have two init scripts, as far as i can see
14:27
<dniel>
vagrantc: jajajaja! I didn't know that!!!!!!!!
14:27
<ogra>
on the server ?
14:27
<dniel>
vagrantc: ohhh! I'm very happy!
14:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, generating it on boot of the thin-client
14:28
ogra: then you can be fairly certain what ip address your server has.
14:28
<Q-FUNK>
yippee! dbe62 prototypes have arrived! :D
14:28
<vagrantc>
eeyk. i gotta watch the time and eat some food before heading to work :)
14:28
<dniel>
vagrantc: so why I had to install an other linux in /opt/ltsp/i386?
14:29
<joebob777as7>
be back in 20
14:29
<dniel>
vagrantc: because finally i'm using the linux of the server?
14:30
<vagrantc>
dniel: it's just a simple linux install that you then can boot from the network with ... and then log into the server to run your applications
14:31
<dniel>
vagrantc: ohh! ok. Now I understand!
14:31
<vagrantc>
dniel: it is possible to just boot from the network, and run all applications on the thin-client, but that requires a little more work.
14:31
<sbalneav>
dniel: When I explained it to you yesterday, you said you understood then too :)
14:32
<dniel>
sbalneav: because I was understanding something bad :)
14:34
vagrantc: and... is equal to run the commando ltsp-build-client that to download the tarball of debian?
14:35
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: are you gonna be at that german ubuntuconf in october?
14:35
<vagrantc>
dniel: yes, except the tarball is very out of date.
14:35
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, unlikely
14:36* vagrantc prods jammcq
14:36
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, probably spontaneous as a guest ...
14:37
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: I was wondering if we could meet there. I would take back the two samples and give you a production unit in exchange.
14:37
<dniel>
vagrantc: because the tarball work in my thin client and my linux generated whit ltsp-build-client don't work
14:37
:)
14:38
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, i have to look up the dates ... the time between release and UDS is always my only relaxation time during a release
14:39
so i'm very careful with that 10 days (or whatever it is this time) to plan any events
14:39
<Q-FUNK>
ok
14:39
october 20-21, IIRC
14:39
I myself was thinking to drop by on the 20th.
14:40
<dniel>
vagrantc: and i don't see any diference!
14:41
but that does not matter so far. I am very happy :)
14:41
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, didnt you plan to come to boston ? i thought i saw your name somewhere on the wikipage
14:41
<Q-FUNK>
nope
14:42
I avoid USA for as long as they have the homeland ridicule act.
14:42
<dniel>
vagrantc, sbalneav and ogra: very thanks for the help!!!
14:43* ogra got some pizza to the beer ...
14:43* ogra goes dinnering
14:45
<dniel>
ogra: provecho!
14:45
<ogra>
thanks :)
14:55
<dniel>
I will back on the night! good bye!
14:57
byes!
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<Q-FUNK>
does anyone have news from Gadi, btw?
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<sbalneav>
Was something up with Gadi?
15:19
<Q-FUNK>
I just haven't seen him around in a while.
15:20
he was also interested in ordering cutomized thincans from us, at one point, but i haven't heard from him since then.
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Jim, Jim... Xorg7 on LTSP 4.2 working in a very kludgy way...
15:25
jammcq: But working...
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<joebob777as7>
ogra, so should i grab a couple more test systems?
15:28
<sbalneav>
He's out to dinner.
15:29
<joebob777as7>
oh ok. well do you think that will help us sbalneav ?
15:29
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Oh, it's a very important schadule...
15:36
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: Maybe, but I doubt it.
15:36
<joebob777as7>
so we've ruled out intel issue?
15:36
I have some nvidia boxes...
15:36
<sbalneav>
I don't think we've ruled out anything
15:37
<joebob777as7>
except for xorg issue.
15:37
<sbalneav>
I don't think we've ruled out anything
15:37
<joebob777as7>
lol
15:38
<sbalneav>
The only thing we've managed to confirm is what I told you two days ago. Remote X + compiz = broken.
15:38
Because no one's seriously tested it.
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<sbalneav>
Not us.
15:38
not compiz
15:38
not no one.
15:41
<cliebow>
nohow
15:41
<sbalneav>
I'll see if I can put something together tonight, and take a look at it, and TRY to add some useful hints to the bug report.
15:41
<joebob777as7>
i appreciate it.
15:44
<sbalneav>
However, one way or the other, I doubt this is going to get fixed quicly.
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<sbalneav>
so, either tell your boss compiz is a no-go, and stick with ltsp, or install full workstations.
15:45
<joebob777as7>
well for now i'll test opensuse and xdmcp out...
15:45
i have enough boxes
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<joebob777as7>
just saw the new ltsp manager looks sexy
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<joebob777as7>
in enhanced zoom desktop i believe it's enable focus tracking.
16:21
oops... wrong chan
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<sbalneav>
Heading home
16:33
<joebob777as7>
ttyl sbalneav
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<Lumiere>
I could understand compiz on a demo box
16:53
that you were showing off a product in
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<Ryudo>
hi all i find good coumentation for ltsp5 impletation wich ubuntu heres is : http://www.azzena.it/doku.php?id=thin_client_ltsp_ubuntu_7.04
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<sbalneav>
Back on, by the way
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<jammcq>
helloooooo
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<dtrask>
helloooooo jammcq
20:58
<jammcq>
hey david
20:58
<dtrask>
got my email....going to Boston....Matt too
20:59
:-)
20:59
I get to drive too
20:59
in fact headed down Sunday for Yankees-Sox game
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<jammcq>
cool
21:02
<dtrask>
in lts.conf....whatever is set for SCREEN_07 will start first...right?
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<hersonls>
help me with Integrating LTSP-5 into my favorite Linux distro
21:06
<sbalneav>
Whats your distro?
21:06
<hersonls>
slackware
21:08
i download the ltsp-build-client, but not work
21:08
i'm brazilian
21:08
<sbalneav>
Yep. You'll have some work to do.
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<hersonls>
?
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<hersonls>
how?
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<sbalneav>
Start by with a bzr checkout of the ltsp source on launchpad. Then you'll have to write plugins for the ltsp-build-client to handle peculiarities of slackware.
21:11
What does slackware use for bootstrapping the OS in a chroot?
21:12
Plus, you'll need to get the distro team involved in helping you make changes to the initramfs that slackware uses to boot.
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<sbalneav>
Does P. Volkerding still do it all himself?
21:13
Or is there a distro team now for Slackware?
21:13
<hersonls>
sorry, but i dont good in english
21:13
but
21:14
i copy plugins for /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
21:14
and ./ltsp-build-client and no work
21:14
<sbalneav>
You're going to need more than that
21:14
lots more
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<hersonls>
i need edit the plugins?
21:15
<sbalneav>
Debian used dboostrap to build the chroot. What does slackware use?
21:15
<hersonls>
wait
21:15
i looking for
21:18
bootstrap is the lilo
21:18
is this?
21:18
boot manager
21:20
sbalneav: ?
21:23
<sbalneav>
no
21:24
dbootstrap is a tool for installin the operating system inside of a chroot.
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<hersonls>
ow ow
21:24
i make this
21:24
i install in /opt/ltsp/slackware
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<sbalneav>
hersonls: it's taken us a year's worth of work to get it well integrated into Ubuntu/Debian. It will be a big job.
21:27
You'll need to get a team of people interested in doing. People who have skills in packaging, shell scripting, and the C programming language.
21:28
<hersonls>
ok
21:28
i have
21:28
some friend make one this
21:28
<sbalneav>
you have what?
21:28
<hersonls>
i have friend
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