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Channel log from 13 December 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<moquist>
ogra: ping
02:17
can anybody summarize the current state of multimedia on TCs under Edubuntu? e.g., "It works if you use esd", or "Wait for feisty", etc.
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<Envite>
Hola a todos desde España
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<Envite>
Hello all from Spain
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<cliebow>
hola...deja vu
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<Envite>
Re
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<cstextiles>
LTSP Problem NFS Error can anyone help me regarding this?
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<Darke->
ogra: you there ?
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<Darke->
As you may remember, i was here yesterday asking a few things.. Solved the problem doe, gdm.conf needed a bit of tweaking.
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<Darke->
But now after getting ltsp to work perfectly on the "test server" wich was a SLES10 machine, well then i learned about ltsp5 (i used 4) being a part of edubuntu, and figured that might be the best thing for the real server.
08:04
So i did put up a server running Edubuntu (since afterall its gonna be used for students etc)
08:04
But im confused :P sure it took a while to get it to work on my SLES10 server, but atleast i knew what had to be done.
08:05
Here, im not sure if im even suposed to install any packages. Since it is integrated right ?
08:05
and there is no such thing as the old ltspcfg i used to execute to configure etc.
08:06
<cliebow_>
Darke-: not to preempt ogra..but have you apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
08:06
<Darke->
there are some ltsp packages installed.
08:06
hm ok lemme check
08:06
<ogra>
right
08:06
ltsp is installed by default and you should have seen it building the client environment during install time
08:06
<Darke->
ah, there we go :)
08:07
<ogra>
if you used edgy and have a server with two network cards it should all work out of the box
08:07
<Darke->
was kinda anoying, prolly spent a whole day to get it to work on version 4, using ROM-floppy on a machine as a test thin-client etc.. then i install the "real" thing and i feel so lost ;)
08:08
hehe sounds.. booring ?
08:08
cuz thats the case.
08:08
<ogra>
if you want to make tweaks, edit the lts.conf file ... /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ has a lits of all valid values
08:08
*list
08:08
<Darke->
but what about tftp ? for hosting kernel
08:09
<ogra>
thats set up automatically ...
08:09
<Darke->
shoulnt there be a directory called /tftboot ?
08:09
O_O
08:09
<ogra>
nope
08:09
<Darke->
oh my
08:09
so, what do i point out for the client then ?
08:09
<ogra>
its a debian based system, /tftpboot isnt really LSB compliant ... :)
08:09
err
08:09
FHS
08:09
<Darke->
cuz im not using a "real" thin client atm, loading a machine with a ROM-floppy
08:10
<ogra>
in debian based systems its in 7var/lib/tftpboot
08:10
rom floppy is fine ...
08:10
etherboot is supported as well as PXE out of the box
08:10
<Darke->
yea im talking about pointing out static boot file
08:10
yea gonna use PXE later.
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<Darke->
there we go, found it.
08:11
but if im using pxe boot you say i dont need to point out a boot file or anything ?
08:11
a kernel that is.
08:11
<ogra>
there is #edubuntu btw (for more specific OS questions)
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<Darke->
ok, well thanks for the help. I should be fine now ;)
08:12
<ogra>
you shouldnt need to pchange *anything* :)
08:12
<Darke->
;(
08:12
basicly i could just go home ?
08:12
:P
08:13
so PXE will just work out of the box ? -.-
08:13
<ogra>
well, just start developing stuff for edubuntu if you get to bored ;)
08:13
<Darke->
what am i even here for.
08:13
<ogra>
as etherboot does, yes
08:13
see the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file it already selects the right image for you
08:14
<Darke->
hehe, soz :) edubuntu is really not my personally dist of choise
08:14
<ogra>
based on the kind of request that the dhcp server recieves
08:14
<cliebow_>
ogra: you elaborating on edsadmin for ubuntu-directory-server
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<ogra>
well, was just a suggestion to beat the time :)
08:14
<Darke->
i use gentoo for private use. But this is a nice thing for the stundents, libary etc.
08:14
hehe
08:15
<ogra>
cliebow_, yeps, moquist did some awesome bugfixing work on it to work right with smbldap
08:15
<Darke->
Well im not payed to develop stuff for edubuntu, so cant really take your advice :)
08:15
<ogra>
Darke-, so port ltsp5 to gentoo then instead ;)
08:15
<Darke->
why would i want to do that ? :) im not gonna use it, not atm atleast.
08:16
<ogra>
i know dberkholz could need more helpers with his effort
08:16
<cliebow_>
cool..i started playing with it a little just recently
08:16
<Darke->
And for stundets Edubuntu is nice.
08:16
<ogra>
nice to hear
08:16
<Darke->
ogra: one more thing.
08:17
<cliebow_>
fotr admins edubuntu is nice too 8~)
08:17
<Darke->
You suggest i use ltps dm instead of lets say gdm ?
08:18
cliebow_: well, at work i use SLES10 for most servers.. and opensuse for desktop.. since afterall we are working with Novell.. but if i am to set up a ltsp enviroment for students edubuntu seems to be the perfect choise.
08:18
And gentoo is for private use :)
08:19
but anyway, ldm or gdm ?
08:19
i figured since there is a dm for ltsp it might be a better choise ?
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<ogra>
ldm
08:19
<cliebow_>
Darke-: ive used all manner of redhat/fedora libranet and ubuntu
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<ogra>
all development focus in ubuntu lies on ldm integration, so if you would run gdm you'd be lacking features
08:22
<Darke->
cliebow_: ok :) well i hated Suse at first, but for a "enterprise" SLES aint that bad really. I used debian before i went over to gentoo for personal use, when im setting up a personal machine i like gentoo cuz of tweaking.. i used to love debian cuz of apt.. but now that im used to portage.. theres no turning back ;P
08:22
ogra: understood, thx.
08:23
<cliebow_>
Darke-:that is good to know..ive had a gentoo iso in my hand for a few days wondering where to try it
08:24
<Darke->
hehe, you really should
08:24
be sure to read the handbook atleast 2 times before you do anything doe :)
08:25
<cliebow_>
8~): didnt know there WAS a handbook
08:25
<Darke->
then you should read it during install aswell.
08:25
oh my
08:25
<cliebow_>
i fly a little by the seat of the pants
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<Darke->
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml (for x86 ofc)
08:27
<bails>
hi all just trying to build lbe and it fails in util-linux with :: /usr/src/lbe/i386-linux-crosscomp/bin/gcc -pipe -O2 -mcpu=i486 -fomit-frame-pointer -I../lib -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -DNCH=1 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DSBINDIR=\"/sbin\" -DUSRSBINDIR=\"/usr/sbin\" -DLOGDIR=\"/var/log\" -DVARPATH=\"/var\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -march=i386 -s pivot_root.c -o pivot_root
08:27
pivot_root.c:15: syntax error before "pivot_root"
08:27
any ideas?
08:28
<Darke->
http://pastebin.com
08:28
:)
08:28
<cliebow_>
Darke-:Much obliged 8~)
08:29
bails:this in ubuntu?
08:29
<bails>
no debian unstable
08:30
<cliebow_>
hmm: i thought maybe there might be something issing in your environment to build the lbenvironment..but that seems not logical
08:35
<Darke->
ogra: hmm i got tftp-hpa installed
08:36
<ogra>
yep, thats right
08:37
<Darke->
is there something new in edubuntu ? ;P
08:37
<ogra>
??
08:37
<Darke->
cuz i dont seem to have any binary's for tftpd :P
08:37
<ogra>
define "new"
08:38
try: which in.tftpd ;)
08:39
and its started by inetd, so you can find it in inetd.conf indeed
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<Darke->
true
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<cliebow_>
Gadi!!!
08:52
<Gadi>
cliebow!!
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<cstextiles>
LTSP Problem NFS Error: Permission Denied
09:15
<cliebow_>
cstextiles showmount -e
09:18
<cstextiles>
Actually the problem is at my office and so sorry I don't know the result of the same
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<cstextiles>
can u just point me the error/ mis configuration that must have gone wrong
09:20
<cliebow_>
best to use the wiki.ltsp.org maybe and look under protocols-->nfs
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow_>
Scottie:!!!!
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<jammcq>
hola
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav:does your nsswitch.conf read files ldap compat?
09:26
<sbalneav>
Mine's "compat ldap"
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<cstextiles>
Thanks cliebow_: I atleast got some changes to do. I mean some changes which may/may not clear the errors which I have. I mean adding lines like option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; Anyway I will try tomorrow at my office and see the results thanks for pointing me at the right direction
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<cliebow_>
option 128 will pass options to the kernel..not sure it has anything at all to do with nfs
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error
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<cstextiles>
I read it in this page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
09:31
It says if u r using Etherboot I need to add 2 lines which i have not added
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<cliebow_>
hmm..i see what you are referring to..but this is not that problem
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<cstextiles>
cliebow_: Then what are those options for?
10:01
<sbalneav>
ogra: OK, I pushed the postinst changes up to bazaar
10:01
<ogra>
cool
10:03
<sbalneav>
Vagrant's not around, do you know what was out-of-compliance for ltspfs?
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<ogra>
nothing imho
10:04
and according to mdz ...
10:04
vagrant just likes to interpret the policy a bit strict ...
10:05
<sbalneav>
Hey, SOMEONE's gotta be a stickler around here :)
10:05
<ogra>
his main concern was the /etc/modules handling in postinst
10:05
<sbalneav>
ok, well, I've bzr pushed it.
10:05
<ogra>
waiting for LP to sync it ...
10:06
<sbalneav>
Hey, thanks for pointing me at BenC yesterday. Downloading the 2.6.19 -server from feisty fixed my NFS woes, it seems
10:06
\o/
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<ogra>
my concern is to have the scripts without manpages in /usr/share/ltspfsd
10:06
yay
10:06
<sbalneav>
So, what's better: write manpages for the scripts, or move stuff to share?
10:07
<ogra>
and to probably have a dependency on ltsp-client to make sure you cant install the evil scripts on a server...
10:07
<sbalneav>
I thought we HAD manpages for just about everything?
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<ogra>
there is a lintian-override file
10:07
for scripts that imho shouldnt have manpages
10:07
but without manpage they have to go to /usr/share ...
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which means ltsp needs slight adjustment accordingly
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<sbalneav>
ah, for cdpinger delayed_mounter ltspfs_mount and ltspfs_umount
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<ogra>
(the initscript at least)
10:08
right
10:08
they are all not for user usage ... so manpages arent really needed ...
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<sbalneav>
ok, well, the _mount and _umount scripts will require a wee tiny code change in ltspfs itself, that's no big deal.
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<ogra>
right
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<sbalneav>
cdpinger and delayed_mounter are launched from the init, and that's easypeasy.
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<ogra>
and its not urgent ....
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<sbalneav>
ok, so /usr/share/ltspfs
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<ogra>
the only urgent thing was /etc/modules, so vagrant can backport it
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<sbalneav>
or should it be .../ltspfsd
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?
10:10
<ogra>
ltspfsd ...
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<sbalneav>
ok
10:10
<ogra>
the binary package name
10:10
<sbalneav>
gotcha
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<ogra>
how is your plan for xatoms going ?
10:11
do you still plan to implement it ?
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<sbalneav>
About 2/3rds done
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<ogra>
cool !
10:11
i'll poke on pulse again the next days
10:11
the last week i was only busy merging the branches again ...
10:12
ltsp-mainline is up to date again now :)
10:12
<sbalneav>
If work can RUDDY SLOW DOWN AND LET ME GET 5 MINUTES TO CODE INSTEAD OF FORCING ME TO IMPLEMENT THIS STUPID NEW LEGAL APPLICATION AAAAAARRRRRGH !*&^*&%$(@&^*@.....
10:12* sbalneav breaths heavy
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<ogra>
ah, come on...
10:12
we have time ...
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<sbalneav>
Then I hope to finish it before and of december :)
10:12
<ogra>
its not a race ;)
10:12
<sbalneav>
yeah, true.
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<ogra>
it only feels like one right before the deadlines ;)
10:13
<sbalneav>
But we all impose deadlines on ourselves. More frustrated with the "quality" (or lack thereof) of this "application" that this local "(ahem)Development firm" has done for us, than anything else.
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<ogra>
ouch
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<sbalneav>
I told you the story, so you know the deal I'm going through. Go live's Jan 2
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<sbalneav>
so it's crunch time around here.
10:14
<ogra>
yeah
10:14
sounds like
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<jammcq>
go live Jan 2, drop dead Jan 3
10:14
<ogra>
heh
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<sbalneav>
exactly.
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<ogra>
then scottie drops dead on 4th ?
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<jammcq>
yeah, if he doesn't go postal
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<sbalneav>
It cheeses me off that an office with 35 workstations that USED to run off of a single $1500 server now needs 2 $7000 servers to run it, SOLELY for this 1 application.
10:16
On the plus side, the whole org's moving to edgy + gnome desktop. People are LOVING that part.
10:16
so, I guess it's not ALL bad.
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<ogra>
yay
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<sbalneav>
Lots of great comments on the desktop. People who I thought would hate it are going on about how it's so much easier to use than icewm!
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<jammcq>
oh, like icewm was soooooo hard
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<sbalneav>
That's what had me going
10:19
icewm is WAY less complicated than gnome.
10:19
However, I think the issue is bling.
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<Envite>
Hello all (again) from Spain
10:19
Hola a todos (otra vez) desde España
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<arc_>
Envite: :P
10:31
Envite: how you doin
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<Envite>
eins?
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<arc_>
Envite: how are you doing?
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Envite: I'm alberto from gran canaria
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Envite: free software office, remember?
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<Envite>
sí, tío
10:48
I'm actually teaching an unemployed people course
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<efra>
Hi everybody
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<sbalneav>
ogra: finished eating?
11:03
I was fooling around the other day with something, was wondering if we could kick around the idea of getting the power button going under LTSP5, and what we'd need.
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<vykarian>
hi =]
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<rjune_>
hey guys
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<Envite>
hello rjune
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<mauricio>
hi everybody
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<BilboFett>
is there a way to turn off hyperthreading?
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syntax?
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<sbalneav>
Why do you think you need to turn off hyperthreading? What symptoms are you seeing that need hyperthreading turned off?
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<rjune_>
sbalneav, you don't count general principles?
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<sbalneav>
What's wrong with hyperthreading? I'm on a box with it now.
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<Envite>
hyperthreading is like passing a lot of cars through a street with two lanes instead of one ;)
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<rjune_>
Historicly it causes more problems than it solves
13:34
<MrFreeBird>
hi there. I installed ltsp on ubuntu, its ok. I installed dosemu, ok. If I try to run dosemu it closes. Any help?
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<sbalneav>
No idea if dosemu runs under ltsp.
13:36
rjune_: heh, I've never had a problem with it. Guess I've been lucky.
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<MrFreeBird>
sbalneav, I would like to run old MSDOS programs. A client of mine still uses Windows just for that. If was possible, I would like to use just linux
13:37
<rjune_>
sbalneav, usually I've only seen slowness
13:37
Lying to the OS about having more CPUs then you really do seems to be less effective then one might think
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<sbalneav>
MrFreeBird: If you run the dosemu on the console, does it work?
13:39
I'd expect that dosemu, if it's emulating a dos box, might be wanting to talk directly to a video card somehow, and that might not work over X.
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<MrFreeBird>
sbalneav, no it does not. A window open, autoexec starts, and suddenly it exits
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<sbalneav>
So, really, then, if it doesn't work on the server console, your problem isn't with LTSP at all, it's with dosemu.
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<MrFreeBird>
ok
13:40
I will do some searching
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<SuPrSluG>
hello
14:36
having an issue with ibm 8363 client. it boots and goes to a runlevel prompt. usb keyboard isn't working. it work to get into the ibm settings but dies thereagter
14:36
thereafter
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<cliebow_>
SuP:i am heading out but i have a bunch of 8363 netvistas running here if you want to talk shop
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<BilboFett>
sbalneav, still here?
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<BilboFett>
my district office boss told me to turn off hyperthreading for today on my student server because they are working on something. They say its not load balancing. I have to do what they say.
15:12
so is there a way to turn off hyperthreading?
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<mrlinux>
why does Flash crash on my client machine but works fine for the server
15:12
why does Flash crash on my client machine but works fine for the server Firefox
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<mrlinux>
why does Flash crash on my client machine but works fine for the server Firefox
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<SuPrSluG>
hi it's not start x . it goes to a runlevel prompt and the keyboard is not enabled. work when i point it to another server
15:59
not starting x
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<nn>
anyone worked with Neoware netstation 3000's?
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<fxrsliberty>
any ltsp5 devs here?
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<fxrsliberty>
moquist: you listening?
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<jammcq>
howdie
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<cliebow>
howdie!!
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<Mathesis>
hi vagrantc
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<mb4me>
is it possible to use widescreen resolution in LTSP, 1440x900? The only driver i get to work with my Mini-ITX board is VESA
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