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Channel log from 30 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Night all
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<daya>
ogra, i
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hi
04:03
ogra, where is vagranct,
04:04
ogra, I can't have ldm login screen in ltsp for debian etch4.0 by following the lower step, in the debian wiki,
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http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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04:35
<ogra>
daya, try runninf ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
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<daya>
ogra, in chrooted env. or what ,
04:37
<ogra>
no
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just run it on the server
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<daya>
ogra, ok
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<Envit1>
Hola a todos desde España
04:39
<daya>
ogra, then do i need to do anything,
04:39
<ogra>
nope
04:39
try to log in
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<daya>
ok
04:39
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ might have some hints that are valid for debian as well (use carefully :) )
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05:27
<daya>
ogra, error appear counldnot load host key,
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couldnot load host key:/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
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/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
05:37
<str4nd_>
use ssh-keygen
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05:38
<daya>
str4nd, I don't have to use it in other
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I mean in upper stop of the ltsp wiki
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stop ---> step,
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<gypsymauro>
hi
06:08
I've installed ltsp on ubuntu feisty and it works, but on a netowrk @ 10kbs it's slow to use desktop, any hint to speed up it?
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<multik>
hi everyone
07:48
<cliebow_>
ho
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08:07
<Blinny>
Has there been any real work toward muekow integration into Fedora / K12?
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08:12
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:13
<Blinny>
Good morning.
08:13
<Envit1>
14:10 here
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no more morning :)
08:22
<cliebow_>
Scottie!
08:26
<vporo>
does anyone have experince in HPs futro 200 series
08:27
or amd geode
08:28
<sbalneav>
Well, the old jammin 125's used to have a geode.
08:31
<vporo>
I just got a few of those and I can't get the X working as well as it should
08:32
<sbalneav>
Well, video on them wasn't stellar. What version of ltsp are you using?
08:32
<vporo>
ltsp5 on ubuntu feisty
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every logout makes the client freeze
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and I can't get the optimal resolutions
08:34
<sbalneav>
I haven't tried an old jammin 125 on feisty. Does the whole terminal freeze up, or can you still ctl-alt-f1 to get a text login. What resolutions do you want? The max they did was 1024x768, IIRC
08:34
<vporo>
I noticed that there are some amd drivers in nfs-root
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it freezes completely
08:35
<sbalneav>
Hm. Which video driver is it using?
08:35
<vporo>
but the drivers give worse resolution than vesa-driver
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vesa by default
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eventhough I try to set the x_server in lts.conf as amd, it still uses vesa
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<sbalneav>
I know on the old 4.2, we had a patched driver specifically called "geode" for it.
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08:40
<sbalneav>
vporo: Have you tried the nsc driver?
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It's specifically for the geode.
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<vporo>
oh
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no I have not
08:41
<sbalneav>
Maybe give that one a try, see if it's any better.
08:41
<cliebow_>
i use nsc driver in the netvistas...
08:42
<sbalneav>
They've got a geode, don't they?
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<sbalneav>
Morning cliebow_, btw
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<cliebow_>
yep
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8~)
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or cyrix..
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08:56
<sbalneav>
vporo: That work any better?
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<MrChicken>
Hello
08:59
I'm running ltsp 5 with Xubuntu
09:00
I was wondering how can I make the local devices to appear - disappear on the desktop when they are connected - removed from the client?
09:02
<sbalneav>
MrChicken: heh, we've got a spec on that.
09:02
getting local devices to interact better with hal
09:03
<MrChicken>
so... so far I can only give a link to the '/mnt/user'
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nd tell them to search for their stuff there?
09:04
<ogra>
MrChicken, you could hack up ltspfsmounter
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to create the matching links
09:04
<MrChicken>
how complex can that get?
09:04
<ogra>
its python
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have a look at it :)
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<MrChicken>
:S
09:04
Guess thats as good excuse as any to learn python...
09:04
<ogra>
yeah
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:)
09:10
<vporo>
sbalneav: I run into a "No devices" failure
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it loads the driver but fails to detect hardware or something
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<sbalneav>
hm
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foop.
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09:29
<Blinny>
MrChicken: K12LTSP in Fedora does that - You may want to ask on that list how they implemented it.
09:30
(or maybe it's just a function of 4.2 that hasn't made it into 5 yet, not a function of k12 - I don't know)
09:31
<ogra>
Blinny, that "feature" messes with the users homedirs ... thats something we dont do in ubuntu/debian ....
09:31
there is a spec for implementing it in a better way so hal picks the devices u as virtual devices and leaves the link creation to the desktop
09:32
in ubuntu only gnomevfs currently creates the links without messing in the home of the user, so if you use nautilus in (x)ubuntu it will show the links on the desktop
09:32
konqueror or thunar wont
09:33
<MrChicken>
hrmm
09:33
<Blinny>
Gotchya. So this is the reverse of "it's not a bug it's a feature"
09:33
<MrChicken>
good idea thbnx
09:34
<ogra>
Blinny, its a buggy feature we've taken out for overhauling ;)
09:34
it will return properly
09:35
all a matter of manpower
09:35
<Blinny>
Dig.
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"we"==ubuntu || "we"==ltsp?
09:36
<ogra>
we==ltsp in that case
09:39
<Blinny>
I get a little nervous sometimes. I'm very new to the LTSP game and I chose K12 b/c of the seeming maturity. However, it seems like much more development effort is being thrown into the ubuntu development for new stuff and I'm just watching the clock and wondering when/if I'll have to switch.
09:39
I think the answer is: Not today.
09:39
<ogra>
k12 uses ltsp 4.2
09:39
there was no 4.x development since 2 years
09:40
and there is very unlikely to be any
09:40
<MrChicken>
I am quite happy with ltsp 5. I used ltsp 4 a while ago with decent results
09:40
<ogra>
redhat/fedora still didnt approach us for upstream development ... so currently your best option for a security supported LTSP is ubuntu or debian
09:41
<MrChicken>
now with ltsp5 I am quite happy
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and the installation is really easy
09:41
<ogra>
:)
09:41
<MrChicken>
there is some lack in the documentation, but here you get all the support you need
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<ogra>
MrChicken, 100% agreed with the lack of docs ...
09:42
we all do our best here, but feature develpment is so damend fast recently :)
09:42
the new ldm will need a book for all that shiny stuff sbalneav added :)
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<Gadi>
ogra: hey. how was portland?
09:45
i heard you spoke well
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<ogra>
it was nice ...
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sad i couldnt stay longer
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vagrant wanted to show me the cascades ...
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but we only made it to have a beer together at the last evening ...
09:46
<cliebow_>
is that vargants home turf?
09:46
<ogra>
yp
09:46
yep
09:47
<Gadi>
nice
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09:47* ogra was convinced all of the US would live in wooden shags until he saw the brick buildings in portland :)
09:48
<Lumiere>
lol
09:48
<cliebow_>
heh
09:48
<Gadi>
thats just a facade ;)
09:48
<ogra>
heh
09:48
<cliebow_>
fi4st six years of my marriage we lived in a 16x20 shack with handpump for water..
09:49
<Gadi>
ah, Miane. The US seat of progress ;)
09:49
*Maine
09:50
<cliebow_>
we had more fun there than anywhere since..
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<ogra>
sbalneav, hmm
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<ogra>
sbalneav, what do i do if i mistyped the username ?
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(apart from ctrl-alt-backspace indeed :) )
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we'll need a catch for that i think
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<ogra>
sbalneav, also the password updating seems not to work
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Hmm, it should.
10:14
What does the ldm.log file show?
10:15
ogra: The username bit: that was what the cancel button was for :)
10:15
<ogra>
lets rather seed a variable thats then read on respawn
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PRESET_USER
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or so
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so after password update we kill the greeter and repawn it with the username set already .... which then only asks for the password
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hmm
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no
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tricky
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sbalneav, i see the questions to Enter new UNIX password and retype as well ...
10:17
<sbalneav>
That should already work
10:17
<ogra>
then it says "expect:saw"
10:17
Password unchanged
10:17
<sbalneav>
it doesn't ask for the userid again, it's in the loop
10:18
<ogra>
thats fine
10:18
but it hangs there forever
10:18
<sbalneav>
ok, well, probably because I'm not expecting that string.
10:18
<ogra>
it should log m in after the password change happened
10:19
<sbalneav>
I need to sit down an exhaustively go through all the possible things that can muck up with passwords, which I haven't done yet :)
10:19
I've only done "ideal case" handling. I'll go through that today :)
10:19
<ogra>
most important is to flip back to the username question after n wrong passwords
10:19
else i am stuck at the password prompt if i gave a wrong username
10:20
<sbalneav>
Oh? Not give them a second chance to enter the password?
10:20
OK, that I can do easily.
10:20
<ogra>
depends how you define n :)
10:20
you can leave three attempts like login does i think
10:20
<sbalneav>
I was thinking n = 3 as for ssh logins.
10:20
<ogra>
probably with a status message countdown
10:21
<sbalneav>
right, ok, I'll fix that. It's a bit fragile at the moment, the ssh_chat section's gonna triple in size by the time I get done :)
10:21
I'll pound through that when I get home this afternoon.
10:21
<ogra>
i.e. "two wrong login attempts, next one will start you over"
10:21
"one wrong login attempt, you have two tries left :P"
10:22
<sbalneav>
I'm supposed to be on Holidays, but someone from the Provincial Ombudsman's office heard about "this linux thing" we're running, and wanted a demo :)
10:22
<ogra>
heh
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<sbalneav>
So I came in this morning for that :)
10:22
<ogra>
crazy you
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<chupacabra>
you love it Scotty
10:37
<sbalneav>
Absolutely
10:37
Any chance to spread the virus^H^H^H^H^Hlove
10:39
<daya>
ogra, I faced the same problem not login in the client , couldnot find ssh host key
10:39
<ogra>
daya, you are testing todays ldm build ?
10:39
<daya>
ogra, todays ?
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<ogra>
yes, from the bzr branch
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thats what we're talking about
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<daya>
ogra, whats the lnke
10:40
lnke
10:52
ogra, how can I download it,
10:52* ogra twiddles thumbs waiting for ltsp-update-image to finish
10:52
<daya>
ogra, I mean the link
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<ogra>
daya, the bzr tree is at https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
10:55
sigh, i should really sop having compiler and linux source in the chroot ... building the squashfs takes ages ....
10:56
sbalneav, seesm you really found a fan in jim kronenbush
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:)
10:57
<sbalneav>
:)
10:57
<ogra>
more groupies !
10:57* ogra tries to boot again with host icon in place
10:57
<ogra>
lets see if it still crashes
10:59
<daya>
ogra, sorry, I only found there bug fixes , how can I use latest ldm, enabled with ltsp,
11:00
<ogra>
try ubuntu gutsy
11:00
<daya>
ogra, I mean that is listed in the debian wiki,
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<ogra>
but thats some weeks od
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old
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i'm just trying to make the latest code run
11:00
sbalneav, it's not the host.png :/
11:01
daya, debian doesnt have that code at all yet
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<daya>
ogra, oh
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<ogra>
debian pulls from ubuntu and sends fixes back usually
11:02
most development is done in ubuntu
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<daya>
ogra, vagrant has told me he has tested the sound by follwing the lower step in the wiki, but when I followed the same step I got the error
11:04
<ogra>
and you did run ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server ?
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<daya>
ogra, yes,
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<ogra>
then it should work
11:05
did you do any strange fiddling in lts.conf ?
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<ogra>
(you shouldnt need one at all)
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<daya>
ogra, no i got the erro the ssh key doesnot find /etc/ssh/ssh_
11:06
like that,
11:07
rsa and dsa,
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<ogra>
oh, is openssh-server installed at all on your server ?
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looks like it cant read the server keys
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<daya>
yes
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on both ser &cli
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<ogra>
hmm
11:13
you shouldnt poke around in the client
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thats not installed by default
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the debian openssh-server package should have created the keys for you ...
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ltsp-update.sshkeys just copies them to the client chroot
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<daya>
I have run that command , but stilll faces the same problems,
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<ogra>
so does the file it complains about exist ?
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<daya>
yes, ssh_host_dsa_key & ssh_host_rsa_key
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<ogra>
can you give the full path please ?
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<daya>
ogra, oh sorry, /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key, /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
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<ogra>
ok
11:32
do they contain anything ?
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<daya>
since, the client present the erro, I genereate the ssh-keygen -t rsa, and -t dsa,
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11:34
<ogra>
dont do that
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<daya>
ogra, ok
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<ogra>
the openssh-server package does that during installaion
11:34
dont confuse it :)
11:34
<daya>
ogra,ok
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ogra, then how I would remove the key,
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<ogra>
if you poed around with that try to reinstall the package to get the original key back
11:35
<daya>
ok
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<joris>
I'm having troubles getting my network pxe boot to work
11:44
can I use a bootable cd or disk image to pxeboot?
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(or grub options or ...)
11:45
<daya>
ogra, one questions, If I copy all the directory of /opt of edubuntu, in my debian does it support sound,
11:45* ogra was about to go ...
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<ogra>
daya, you will need bits on the server side ... i'm not sure debian has asoundconf and the matching asound modules for pulse
11:46
joris, rom-o-matic has images that can do a PXE emulaion from an etherboot disk ....
11:47* ogra calls it a day ... bye all
11:47
<ogra>
daya, note that ubuntu uses an alsa emuation layer on top of the pulse transport ... i dont know if debian uses that yet
11:48
<Blinny>
*wave ogra* Later.
11:49
<daya>
ogra, o,
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<joris>
ogra: so it's grub -> etherboot -> pxe then?
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<daya>
ogra, acutally where is vagract,
11:53
ogra, :D
12:12
<cliebow_>
bbiab
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<fgiraldeau>
Question about bazaar and launchpad
12:36
From wich branch I should get the code? I think about using scotts-gutsy
12:36
ltsp-loadbalance is already taken
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<fgiraldeau>
I'm trying to push my new branch, but it seems to be stuck in the fetch phase 1
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But it appears on launchpad, in my home page. Strange.
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<cliebow_>
sudo apt-get update
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<sbalneav>
Afternoon all
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<fgiraldeau>
hi there
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<sbalneav>: how are you
15:30
<sbalneav>
Fine, yourself?
15:35
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: it seems that debian took mkelfimage as-is
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<fgiraldeau>
Q-FUNK: cool, do you think that it will be synced into ubuntu for gutsy?
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sbalneav: yes, i'm fine. And I'm prepared for development.
15:44
<Q-FUNK>
fgiraldeau: most definitely, since the freeze is not quite there
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<fgiraldeau>
I did complete my setup with virtual machines. I did my branch into bazaar on launchpad and learned it
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<Q-FUNK>
as to how soon we can get the script smigrated, that's a different story. however, we have a good team working on this
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<fgiraldeau>
Q-FUNK: great! good news.
15:46
... And I updated the blueprint page for the spec to support multiple servers : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleLDMLoadBalancing
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sbalneav: if you want to read it again, it's mostly what have been discussed on the mailing list.
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<sbalneav>
When I get a chance, I'll have a look.
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: mkelfimage got into debian. we just need to sync. and the linuxbios list confirmed that it should work with comercial bioses as well, at least those running a recent enough etherboot payload.
15:54
ogra: so, in principle, we could migrate from mkelf-linux to mkelfimage - unless we find major distrubances with old hardware - and rename the image from nbi-img to elf-img as well.
15:54
ööö.... - -> .
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<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: thanks. I will try to start the implemetation this evening.
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<fgiraldeau>
Diner time, see you later
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sbalneav: I do have a concern about the host keys... Maybe we can talk about it later.
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<ari_stress>
morning all
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<sbalneav>
Evening
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<ari_stress>
sbalneav: :)
18:56
i'm on GMT +7
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oh boy.. i'm tired.. only sleeping for about 4 hours
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<fgiraldeau>
re hi scott
19:18
I would like to tell you about a problem I have with LDM
19:19
Well, with LDM in gutsy... Wait a minute, will see what version I'm working with.
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<johnny>
hi, has anybody here used gadi's patch for autologin with ldm?
19:22
whenever i enable any of the options, it fails to boot
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err fails to load x
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uggh.. ldm
19:22
<fgiraldeau>
ok, forget it, I do have the version of 17 juil, I will recompile it before reporting an error.
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<johnny>
just a black background with ldm
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x cursor
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<fgiraldeau>
johnny: do you have a hint in the /var/log/ldm.log file on the thin-client?
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<johnny>
is that file recreated per client? that's one thing i'm not sure of
19:29
i don't quite understand how that works
19:29
i know i cannot login via terminal tho
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i tried checking on the server
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but it was empty
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<fgiraldeau>
You must be able to login to your thin-client in a console.
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Are you able to do this?
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<johnny>
aha.. no
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but why :)
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login works tho
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in ldm
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if i don't have autologin enabled
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<fgiraldeau>
Ok, you're using feisty?
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<fgiraldeau>
oups, wrong key
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If you have feisty, you can enable the root user :
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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Then change the password : passwd
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On the thin-client, do CTRL-ALT-F1 and you will be able to login with the root account and the password you entered.
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Then, you can look at the file ldm.log : cat /var/log/ldm.log
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Will you be able to do it?
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<mwright1>
Hi,
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I have a problem with xdm
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am getting the grey screen of death
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<sbalneav>
mwright1: Have you checked to see if xdm's running?
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netstat -an | grep :177
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<johnny>
fgiraldeau, sorry i'm closing down the store..
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do i have to enable the root user?
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can i do it from the server?
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<mwright1>
yes it's not running
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i think i'm in runlevel 3
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id:3:initdefault:
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can i get ltsp working without changing that to a 5
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cause I"m all setup and I'd have to chkconfig
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<fgiraldeau>
johnny: let's continue in private
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<mwright1>
sbalneav: I' currently runlevel 3
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can it be made to listen
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<sbalneav>
What linux distro are you running?
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<mwright1>
fedora 7
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64 bit
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We have been running ltsp for years
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<sbalneav>
No, you'll need to set your initdefault to 5, I beleive
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<mwright1>
we jsut changed from FC5 but did it all remotely
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<sbalneav>
I think that's when fedora starts login managers.
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Why don't you want to change to runlevel 5?
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<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: how can I enable back NFS root? It's a bit painful to rebuild the sqashfs each time...
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<sbalneav>
We've switched from nfs to squash.
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I've rebuilt my image about 20 times already today.
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<fgiraldeau>
And it's not possible to use NFS anymore?
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<sbalneav>
:)
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Nope.
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People wanted nfs gone.
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So we ditched it :)
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Also, we were running into performance problems with nfs.
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<fgiraldeau>
Hum... but it seems that for devel at least it could be useful.
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<sbalneav>
Why?
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Just rebuild
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just takes a couple of minutes.
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<fgiraldeau>
NFS is more handy for this.
20:17* sbalneav shrugs
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<sbalneav>
Code it back in then :) Make it switchable.
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<fgiraldeau>
There is also the high-availability issue...
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Ok, for now, I will rebuild the squashfs.
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thanks
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<sbalneav>
Why would nbd-server be any less high availability than nfs?
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<fgiraldeau>
One daemon is started for each connexions.
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, and?
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<fgiraldeau>
It seems that there is a state and negociation at start
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<sbalneav>
Same as with nfs.
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<fgiraldeau>
NFS is stateless
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<sbalneav>
But practically, that does you no good. If your nfs server goes down, your terminals will still hang.
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<sbalneav>
And with the squashfs, we cut down on a huge amount of network traffic.
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<fgiraldeau>
Yeah, but if you have another server in backup and the virtual IP is transferd, then the thin-clients are working without interuption.
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I will ltry this to confirm : I will kill the nbd-server process of my thin-client to see if it will reconnect.
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<sbalneav>
It's not something *I*'m worried about, but you're more than welcome to slide both in.
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<fgiraldeau>
... Or hang forever.
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<fgiraldeau>
I confirm you that if you kill the daemon on the server, then the client will not try to reconnect. mount -o remount /rofs doesn't do the trick.
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<sbalneav>
Ok, well, like I say, it's not something I'm worried about. If you're interested in it, you're more than welcome to get both methods going.
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What I'm interested in is the fellow in Brazil who's trying to set up a classroom, and his "big server" is a pentium 2 with 512 megs, and a single 10 meg hub.
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For him, the nbd-server gives better performance :)
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<fgiraldeau>
Squashfs is realy cool
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<sbalneav>
So, if you'd like both, then it's just a case of coding up the initramfs to handle either.
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<fgiraldeau>
Maybe there is an option to do automatic reconnect, and it would settle the case.
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<sbalneav>
ah, yeah
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-persist
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That should probably be added to the chroot, then.
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Yup, in client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp-nbd, we sh/could add -persist to the command line.
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That would require some testing.
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<fgiraldeau>
I didn't found this option in the man page...
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<sbalneav>
heh
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for the nbd client and server, there'
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there's LOTS of stuff in there not in the man page.
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:)
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<fgiraldeau>
hehe
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<sbalneav>
I had a quick peek at the source.
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<fgiraldeau>
I will try it to see if the client is reconnecting.
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<sbalneav>
I've had to fix 2 bugs in the nbd- utils this go-around.
20:37
the source is full of wonderful things not in the man page.
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Hmmm.
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<fgiraldeau>
yeah, be the source with you, luke
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<sbalneav>
Would mounting the swap persist help. Prolly not.
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If your swap server dies, and you re-attach to a new swap server, pain will ensue when your swapspace suddenly goes back to nice and clean :)
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<fgiraldeau>
yeah, but for read only sqashfs, it may do the trick.
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<fgiraldeau>
Ok, I added the option and tested it again. It seems that the -persist option doesn't reconnect.
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But the code seems to do a reconnect. Why it is not triggerd? Humm...
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<fgiraldeau>
If I do nbd-client -d /dev/nbd0 and then reconnect manualy, it works.
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<mwright1>
hi
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<fgiraldeau>
going to sleep,
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<mwright1>
we're having weird gnome problems
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<mwright1>
we're connecting to our new xen instance running fedora core 7
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and having weird gnome issues.
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<colren>
hi
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<mwright1>
Colinr: How you going
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<colren>
The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet".
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this is the error that I get on logging in
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<sbalneav>
Does it do this on the console?
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<colren>
that is from a thinclient
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do we have a console?
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, server's console.
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<colren>
running it from a zen server
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<mwright1>
and have you tried deleting .gconfd .gnome2 .gnome .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
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Hi sbalneav
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<mwright1>
Colin, is trying to fix the next problem on from the grayscreen of death we were getting earlier, he is onsite
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I am logged in to Fedora7 via freenx from a remote location and my environment is working really nicely
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it seems the terminals are having trouble... THe Fedora we are running is 64bit
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<mwright1>
colren: is Firefox working ok? Evolution?
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<sbalneav>
If the users have a problem on the console, then it's something gnome related.
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<colren>
yes, they seem to be working fine, although evolution seems to take a long time reding my inbox which I didn't notice before
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<mwright1>
colren: my inbox has been loading much faster, it's gigabytes, and is aout 1/5 of the load time of FC5'
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<colren>
yes from nxclient mine too
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<mwright1>
so to get to the bottom of this, it's just destroying the clock applet
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<colren>
but not from the thinclient
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<mwright1>
the console can be got at from solar2
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xm console wind-f7 i think
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then use ^] to exit same as telnet
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<colren>
is that on the kvm?
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hold on, think I might just go login with kde and delete those .gconfd .gnome2 .gnome .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 directories and see if that solves it
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<mwright1>
Hi Jim
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<jammcq>
hey mwright1
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long time, no see
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<mwright1>
Yes that's cause everything has been going really well
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we've just been doing an upgrade this morning, whihc has had a couple of problems
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we've gone from FC5 to FC7 our ltsp is split, ltsp workstation tree is on our host os and we are running dom0 with FC7
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we were running it ok with FC5 and we swung everyone over to FC7 and uh oh... we're etting weird gnome crashing applets problem, and evolution loading really slow when compared to being in via freenx
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<mwright1>
I've got colren (who is in the channel) onsite and he is going to try renaming .gnome .gnome2 .gconf* etc
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then go back in, but it is weird.
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machine is really nice (same machine that we were running FC5 in ... and the systems are running centos latest kernel (both the FC5 and FC7 are ... cause of some bad xen problems we have been having
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it's a HP DL380 running Centos 5 with 5GB ram... 3GB allocated to the LTSP xen instance wind-f7 atm
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jammcq: what's the difference between an uptodate ltsp4.2 and ltsp5?
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<jammcq>
umm, pretty much EVERYTHING
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LTSP-5 is a whole new way of doing LTSP
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<mwright1>
In our Xen setup, with LTSP on the dom0 (the host OS) and our client application box with gdm running
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will it be difficult to install?
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is the local devices / sound setup easy to do?
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<jammcq>
well.... it doesn't exist on fedora yet
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if you were using Ubuntu or Debian, your life would be good
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<mwright1>
We are already on, Fedora at this site, but I have two other LTSP sites that run ubuntu.
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what about the fact that we're using xen, how much more difficult does that make it?
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we've done this so we can do upgrades much more seemlessly
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Though this is the first time we've moved to virtualisation so we're still having some teething problems...
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<jammcq>
umm, dunno about xen
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what are you running as the xen guest ?
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<mwright1>
The server is Centos 5 and the guest is Fedora 7 running a centos kernel (unfortunately-- hopefully bug will be fixed in subsequent kernel release)
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<jammcq>
so.... LTSP-5 doesn't exist under Centos or Fedora, so I'd say xen neither hurts nor helps you
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<mwright1>
we just migrated from a Fedora 5 xen guest, which was basically our old LTSP that ran standalone on a Dell workstation
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Is there interest from the Fedora / redhat people? or is it not happening
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I'm happy to make it work on the weekend if it makes sound and local devices easier
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<jammcq>
well, hard to tell. there's been some interest, but it's unclear where they are at with it
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all of the interesting LTSP stuff is happening in Ubuntu/Debian these days
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<mwright1>
sorry have to go, been called to a meeting (damn work)
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<jammcq>
:)
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<mwright1>
colren: hi
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colren: have you got to the bottom of the problem
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<colren>
its only on my login
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have now logged in two more thinclients and they are working fine
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i'm working off of the standalone
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which I prefer, will login using kde and the nxclient
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<mwright1>
the stand alone
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hmm
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ok so the clients are all up and running now
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are they opening documents with openoffice and browsing the web etc?
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<colren>
is using all the ram already
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the swap needs increasing
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1gb is no where near enough
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it should be twice the amount of the ram
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<mwright1>
we might switch to LTSP 5 later
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<colren>
yeah
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<mwright1>
I need to understand how it does or doesn't fit in with fedora
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<colren>
just need to go downstairs and hook in that vol
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ok
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