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Channel log from 4 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
gah.
05:18
dash's built-in [ -w "/" ] returns true even when it isn't writeable.
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<benGREEN>
help
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sorry, ommitted leading /
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don't really need help, at least not with IRC
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08:46
<tonyv>
I've been successfully running LTSP5 under Debian Lenny. After a motherboard change on the server, I'm now unable to log in from any client. The log shows "Host key verification failed". I've run ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image 'till I'm blue in the face, with no success. Any suggestions, please?
08:47
<epsas>
weird
08:47
"that shouldn't happen"
08:48
are you sure all services are being brought up?
08:49
<tonyv>
No, but I think they are. Which should I look out for?
08:51
<vagrantc>
tonyv: for future reference, on Debian, there's usually no need to run ltsp-update-image unless you've explicitly configured it to use NBD images.
08:52
<knipwim>
epsas: can you login from a regular computer in the network?
08:53
<vagrantc>
tonyv: from the server, try "ssh user@localhost" with the same user you're trying to log in with from the server.
08:54
<knipwim>
epsas: nm
08:54
tonyv: can you login from a regular computer in the network?
08:54
<vagrantc>
though i would think you'd get a different error if ssh wasn't running at all...
08:55
<tonyv>
Vagrant, that works OK
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08:57
<tonyv>
Can't get to another computer on the network
08:57
<vagrantc>
tonyv: are you running dhcp on the same server?
08:57
<tonyv>
I've not configured it for NBD images (I think) but certainly need to rebuild the image...
08:58
Yes, DHCP on the same server
09:00
<vagrantc>
tonyv: did you use the --squashfs-image or --create-fs-image or --create-ext2-image options? those configure it to use NBD
09:00
tonyv: to ltsp-build-client, when you originally made the LTSP chroot
09:01
(and actually, only --squashfs-image would require using ltsp-update-image
09:01
)
09:01
tonyv: ok, so what's in /etc/exports?
09:03
<tonyv>
vagrant: I don't think so, too long ago. Certainly not squashfs-image.
09:03
vagrant:
09:03
# export the home directories to any host in magpieway.net
09:03
/home/jane/ *.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) *(rw,async,all_squash,no_subtree_check)
09:03
/home/tony/ *.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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/home/tony/shared/ *.magpieway.net(rw,async,no_subtree_check)
09:03
# export the risc-os directories to the risc-os workstations
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/home/riscos/ *-ro.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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/home/riscos-shared/ *-ro.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
09:03
# export the ltsp OS to the ltsp workstations
09:03
<vagrantc>
tonyv: then i assure you, you don't need to run ltsp-update-image.
09:03
<tonyv>
/home/ ws???.ltsp.magpieway.net(rw,async,no_subtree_check)
09:03
<vagrantc>
tonyv: GAH
09:03
<tonyv>
/opt/ltsp/i386/ ws???.ltsp.magpieway.net(no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
09:03
# export some major partitions read-only to any linux host in magpieway.net
09:03
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
09:03
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:03
<tonyv>
/home/ tony-l?.magpieway.net(sync,no_subtree_check)
09:03
/usr/local/ tony-l?.magpieway.net(sync,no_subtree_check)
09:03
<vagrantc>
tonyv: stop.
09:04
tonyv: please use the pastebot unless it's only 1-2 lines.
09:05
<tonyv>
Sorry, I'm new to this.
09:05
<vagrantc>
tonyv: ok, so i would recommend commenting out the line for /opt/ltsp/i386 ... and adding the line: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
09:06
tonyv: and then: invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
09:06
tonyv: while we're at it: grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
09:10
<Gadi>
vagrantc: you're missing an "n" in "then" in your last update
09:10
<vagrantc>
Gadi: thanks!
09:10
gah.
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09:13
<tonyv>
vagrant:2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
09:13
<vagrantc>
tonyv: looks like you have it configured for both NFS and NBD ... although maybe ltsp-update-image adds that
09:14
<tonyv>
vagrant: Editing/restarting exports made no difference
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<tonyv>
vagrant: OK how do I fix the config?
09:15
<vagrantc>
tonyv: could you comment out the NBD line in /etc/inetd.conf, and restart inetd: invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
09:15
tonyv: and then reboot a terminal and see if it stops booting
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<vagrantc>
tonyv: we still haven't established how you're actually booting...
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<tonyv>
vagrantc: OK commented out line in inetd.conf; restarted xinetd (not running inetd); treminal still boots.
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<vagrantc>
tonyv: good. you *definitely* do not need to run ltsp-update-image :)
09:27
oh, xinetd... fun.
09:28
tonyv: so, does /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts exist?
09:29
tonyv: and if so, does it contain the ip addresses you'd expect the thin client to be logging in as the server?
09:32
<tonyv>
yes and yes (... at the server... presumably)
09:32
<vagrantc>
tonyv: are you using dhcp3-server ?
09:33
<tonyv>
vagrantc: yes
09:33
<vagrantc>
tonyv: grep next-server /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
09:34
!ver
09:34
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<vagrantc>
tonyv: and please run the above command and paste to the pastebot...
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<ltsppbot>
"tonyv" pasted "grep next-server /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/465
09:39
<vagrantc>
tonyv: no need to use the pastebot when it's only one line.
09:39
tonyv: i meant to use pastebot with the dpkg commands posted by the ltspbot above.
09:39
<tonyv>
Only following instructions :)
09:40
<vagrantc>
tonyv: so please run the dpkg commands above *exactly* and paste to the pastebot
09:42
gah. my internet connection is borked. i'm going to have to come back to this later.
09:42
<ltsppbot>
"tonyv" pasted "tony@tony-lx:~$ dpkg -l 'ltsp*" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/466
09:42
<vagrantc>
tonyv: hopefully someone else can help you
09:43
tonyv: this looks like a very old chroot. you might want to update to something current.
09:44
tonyv: and no need to have ldm or ltspfsd* installed on your server
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<vagrantc>
tonyv: i'd recommend getting the latest LTSP backports and starting over: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
09:45
<maginot>
good morning. Whats the possible causes when the client connects a pen-drive and it doesnt mount ?
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09:48
<tonyv>
vagrantc: thanks; I'll do that
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<maginot>
I have noticed something on my ltsp server (four quad xeon w/ 32gb of ram) ... I was watching top and a process (nautilus) call my attention when it was consuming between 90 to 98% of cpu usage. So I asked the user and it wasnt even browsing with nautilus, but before he was using a smb share in the same server trhough nautilus.... is any related bug with smb share, nautilus and ltsp ?
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<bieb>
Gadi!!! hows it going?
10:21
stgraber: Ping....
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<garymc>
Hi, I currently downloaded Ltsp built into a fedora 10 package, that I just install from CD
10:56
I want to know is there a 64bit version or is it on the same cd?
10:57
I think its called k2linux
10:58
no its k12linux
10:58
Is htere a 64bit version?
10:59
Or maybe I just dont know what im talking about
10:59
No one here?
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<vagrantc>
garymc: be patient
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<stgraber>
bieb: pong
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<maginot>
*bump
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<Gadi>
stgraber: does this look similar to your solution? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
12:19
<vagrantc_>
Gadi: i've been trying to push the bugfix you mentioned for hours
12:20
<Gadi>
the missing "n"?
12:20
<vagrantc_>
Gadi: yeah.
12:20
Gadi: the internet connection here got wonky shortly after the previous commit.
12:20
<Gadi>
wow! that must be a big "n"
12:20
:)
12:22
<johnny>
why did it have to be a perl script?
12:22
<vagrantc_>
Gadi: i knew /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d would come in handy
12:22
<johnny>
that code looks like it could be a shell script?
12:22
<Gadi>
hehe
12:22
I had issues with the shell script and suid running it
12:22
<johnny>
really?
12:22
<Gadi>
it wasn't working for me at the time
12:22
not sure why
12:22
<vagrantc_>
suid is tricky
12:23
<Gadi>
and perl only worked with the perl-suid package
12:23
yeah - mysterious
12:23
<ogra>
not reall
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y
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you dont exec the script, a shell execs it, the shell would have to be suid ;)
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<Gadi>
ah - there ya go
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<ogra>
and thats what perl-suid actually does, it ships a suid'ed interpreter
12:24* Gadi throws ogra a treat
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<ogra>
:)
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<highvoltage>
geeksnack!
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<vagrantc_>
whew!
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only took 3.5 hours to push a single "n"
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<johnny>
that's all?
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lol
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<Gadi>
hehe - vigilant
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btw, nice use of the ":"
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;)
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<vagrantc_>
Gadi: i could have even left out the #
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oh no! i have to also push a "
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<seanthegeek>
Does anyone know of a cheap non-brand-name thin client that is can PXE a ubuntu desktop out of the box?
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
seanthegeek: www.DisklessWorkstations.com
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<seanthegeek>
Could anyone tell be if this build could smoothly support 25 client? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10631271
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<bieb>
seanthegeek: that is kind of an open question... will all depend on what the clients will be running and how
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seanthegeek: do you have a budget?
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<seanthegeek>
im runting to run donated P3 boxes as clients
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just a basic ubuntu PXE boot
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<bieb>
not the clients.. what will they be doing on the clients?
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<seanthegeek>
Open office, firefox, maybe some flash content
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full gnome desktop
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<bieb>
what type of server budget are you working with?
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<seanthegeek>
$1000
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im looking at building one, please see the link above.
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<bieb>
I was looking at that link...
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personally... I would prefer stronger board, 2 processors and more RAM. The server I built has 16gb of Ram. For Firefox to perform well with 25 clients, you should use local apps.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps
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<seanthegeek>
Perhaps i would be better off using drbl?
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<Lns>
seanthegeek: personally I think your system might be OK..but i do agree with bieb, you probably wanna get a dual-CPU board instead
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8GB RAM should be fine IMHO
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no less than 4 though
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<seanthegeek>
thanks for the imput
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<bieb>
Lns: he only had 4gb RAM spec'ed
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<Lns>
The things you run into mostly that tack-out the CPU are things like flash...normal stuff like openoffice and normal webpage viewing (no flash) should be fine with the CPU you specced
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bieb: i know
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<bieb>
ok
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<Lns>
seanthegeek: if at all possible, use SAS hard disk/controller, probably a better bet than SATA w/that many clients hammering away
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<garymc>
Hi, anyone know where I can find a torrent download for k12linux 64bit version
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as the k12linux.org site takes 4 hours for 800mb
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<knipwim>
seeing one on mininova, but it's only 480mb
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<garymc>
yeah i found them ones
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<knipwim>
and few seeders
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<garymc>
yeah the download is taking
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<lupine_85>
hey hey. I'm probably asking for trouble, but trying to get LTSP working in Ubuntu Karmic (+1 release). I can get the client up, and I can get it to run X, but I can't get it to do ldm - and I'm wondering what I'm missing. Any deubbing pointers?
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<johnny>
enable ssh in the chroot, rebuild the image
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and then ssh into it and check /var/log/ldm.og
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ldm.log*
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or
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wait.. i wonder if this still works
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or is not broken rather
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set SCREEN_02=shell
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in lts.conf
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and then go alt +f2 and check ldm.log
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<garymc>
Hey guys im trying to install LTSP on my hp proliant server but it wont boot
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anyone know anything about hp servers. Getting no joy anywhere
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<lupine_85>
hmm, it doesn't start X at all - it says 'Too few X's in /var/run/ldm-xauth-<randomstringhere>/Xauthority (which doesn't exist as a file in any of those directories)
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(I have root shell access to the ltsp client )
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<lupine_85>
the ldm.log just keeps spawning gtk greeters and noting them dye with exit status 0
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die*
17:07* lupine_85 reckons it's the X server setup being... wrong, somehow. no Xorg.?.log gets generated by default
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<lupine_85>
aha
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bad use of mktemp
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we should be using 'touch', not mktemp there
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<GGD>
!seen warren
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<ltspbot>
GGD: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 0 hours, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <warren> pulseaudio changed substantially
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<thinkle79>
in my attempt to automount a Windows Share (using pam_mount), I seem to have created a monster -- ls -lhs ~/ produces " ? d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Docs" -- this seems to be neither file nor directory. Any ideas what might be happening?
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<Ahmuck-Jr>
got a question, ubuntu - ltsp general
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<ace_suares1>
thinkle79:
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thinkle79: u there
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<thinkle79>
ace_suares1: I'm here. Missed your message.
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ace_suares1: I've worked around the root issue. The weird mountpoint was a result of trying to mount a directory within a share -- I had to mount the whole directory, then use a bind directive to point to the individual folder.
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<dkostousov>
Anybody knows when k12Linus F11 Live will be realised?
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<cyberorg>
dkostousov, in the mean time you can try http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live :)
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<dkostousov>
I have about 5 years experience of working on Fedora. That why Fedora-based ltsp-server preferred.
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<cyberorg>
dkostousov, i meant you can give it a try till there is F11 live available
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your experience will certainly be useful as this is RPM based system too
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<johnny>
i am so tired of seperate bugzillas
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:(
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<cyberorg>
hey johnny :)
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<johnny>
i wish novell, canonical, redhat would all allow one to use openid :(
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or something like that anyways
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<dkostousov>
I tried to use SUSE 3 years ago. It's configuration too differ from Fedora's
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YaST - brrr %-\
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<johnny>
dkostousov, they have a chatroom, you should ask them
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<cyberorg>
dkostousov, yes it does, and things improve radically in 3 years :)
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<johnny>
dkostousov, not many k12 folks hang out here often
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dkostousov, and if the chatroom doesn't work, you can post to their mailing list
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dkostousov, after idling in this room for almost 2 years.. it seems most people come in here for ubuntu
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<dkostousov>
what is the chatroom name?
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<johnny>
it might just be #k12linux, but i don't know.. it's probably on their website
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<dkostousov>
From k12linux site: Online Chat ¶
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* Please join irc.freenode.net channel #ltsp for online chat.
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<johnny>
ouch
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<johnny>
dkostousov, i don't know what to tell you then.. other than post to the mailing list
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but perhaps first read the archives.. see if somebody else already asked
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or developers already talking about it
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<dkostousov>
ok, thx
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<johnny>
cyberorg, you don't have to try to push your choices all the time
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as a current user of 4 distros..
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i don't really try to promote one
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<cyberorg>
johnny, i don't, but i have to make it known to someone looking for a live CD/DVD, i don;t think there is any other distro that has it ;)
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<johnny>
have what? a live cd?
23:33
with ltsp?
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fedora does
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ubuntu could..
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i don't know if the edubuntu thing works with ltsp as a livecd or not
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<cyberorg>
dkostousov, is looking for F11 live ltsp, i dont think there is one yet
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<johnny>
suprising
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warren was passing around usb keys with fedora ltsp on it
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so i know they do it often
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cyberorg, btw.. i use fedora now on my laptop
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so.. that's where 1 new of my 4 comes in
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<cyberorg>
https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer
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pushing something is quite different than making someone aware of something they didn't know exist, awareness is so less that most people think ubuntu is the only distro with ltsp