IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 November 2011   (all times are UTC)

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01:13
<sbalneav>
Evening all
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02:51
<lifeboy>
Hi all, I've been pushing today/night to finally get this done and I cannot get the r6040 module to load and be in the initrd.img. I have posted a detailed explaination at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11460879#post11460879, so if any of you feel inclined to assist me further, I would be really eternally grateful... :-)
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06:13
<pingufan>
Good morning. I found somewhere a description for a feature in LDM to delay an automatic login. I understand it in this way, that the login screen on the client is shown for that time and the user is able to choose i.e. a local shutdown instead. Can someone, please, tell me how this feature is named and where a description is?
06:15
What I actually want is: The user name/password shall be fixed (non-editable), so I can protect the clients against using the same login on several machines, but the client shall be able to do a correct shutdown. With Autologin, the client immediately re-connects when I log out from the KDE session.
06:16
I am afraid that it is not good to simply do a forced power-down of the clients when they are inside an active KDE session.
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06:52
<alkisg>
pingufan: you can just provide a way for your clients to login from withing the user session
06:52
***to shudown...
06:53
<cyberorg>
pingufan, already told you to use ltsp-client-shutdown from main-menu
06:54
<pingufan>
I did not find that. where is it?
06:54
You don't mean the normal KDE-Shutdown, no?
06:55
(on the client)
06:57
alkisg: More details, please.
06:58
<cyberorg>
pingufan, http://cyberorg.co.in/~cyberorg/ltsp-shutdown.png
06:58
<pingufan>
cyberorg: Does the client's KDE session show this feature? Then it is well hidden.
06:59
Where is that located in "old menu style" of KDE ?
06:59
<alkisg>
!learn endsession as Epoptes contains a script that can reboot/shutdown LTSP clients from within the user session: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/epoptes-client/endsession
06:59
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
07:00
<alkisg>
pingufan: here's the utility, it works on lxde, kde, gnome, xfce etc
07:00
You just make a menu or desktop launcher for that
07:02
<pingufan>
Normally I would expect that the KDE menu is modified for the clients, so that the normal KDE system shutdown calls this local shutdown. Instead, it only does not work at all (and thankfully does not shutdown the server)
07:03
<alkisg>
I don't know if anyone contacted the KDE team, but LXDE accepted an ltsp-specific patch
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07:03
<alkisg>
But Ubuntu didn't, for gnome-session: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
07:04
That's what we're using here, so we reboot/shutdown from the gnome menu normally ^
07:05
cyberorg: if you or anyone else is interested in packaging www.epoptes.org for opensuse, we're more than glad to help
07:06
<pingufan>
I see. Do I have to edit the KDE menu for every particular user then?
07:06
<cyberorg>
alkisg, i will be happy to do it, soon, working on 12.1 Edu release at the moment so may be take it up in a couple of days
07:06
<alkisg>
np
07:07
pingufan: I've no idea if KDE supports system-wide menu configuration, I imagine it does. Ask in #kde?
07:08
<pingufan>
I'll do that. What is the actual command for shutting down the client?
07:08
<alkisg>
See the script I linked above, it should be very readable
07:15
<pingufan>
I read it. I am only not familiar with KDE internals. I see that xprop is used to set a LTSP action, then a logout is done. So actually everything is controlled through dbus-send commands?
07:15
<alkisg>
Yes, dbus is used for logout
07:17
Except for LXDE, it doesn't provide a dbus function for that, so we're just killing the lxsession pid, as it was suggested by the lxde developers
07:17
<pingufan>
Please, help me understanding do_shutdown(). It should never come to the part # KDE right?
07:19
<alkisg>
pingufan: why don't you put the endsession script in /usr/local/bin, and just call it?
07:19
Why do you need to understand its source?
07:20
Then instead of writing all these commands, you just call endsession --reboot
07:20
And if we support more DEs, you get support for those too
07:20
<pingufan>
I put it in the server's /usr/local/bin?
07:20
<alkisg>
Yes
07:22
<pingufan>
I have my difficulties with understanding how this ltsp works.
07:22
But ok, I do that.
07:27
alkisg: can this script replace entirely KDE's shutdown, locally (on console) and on clients? In this case I will try to find a way to replace KDE's Shutdown-button with it.
07:36
<alkisg>
pingufan: the kde shutdown button most probably uses dbus, so you can't override it from the filesystem
07:36
You'd need to develop a kde-session patch similar to the gnome-session patch above. That would require some C knowledge.
07:37
Or, just file a bug against kde-session, maybe they're interested in developing this for you
07:37
(and all other ltsp users)
07:39
<pingufan>
I'm currently trying to find out how to simply add a new menu item into KDE (central menu) for calling your script. Seems to be the easiest way then.
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13:40
<Matrix3000>
alkisg: on epoptes, having issues with monitoring a users session
13:41
here's a video
13:43
http://screencast.com/t/rsm8f7wzTIIx
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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13:49
<andygraybeal>
heya matrix3000, mgariepy ;))
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<jason00>
hello!
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14:52
<Matrix3000>
sup andy and jason
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14:53
<andygraybeal>
nada mk3, forgot to mount a tape last night; just mounted it this morning. i'm installing zentyal2.2 to play with, and doing a restore of our website because some data got over-written and forgot about till two months after.
14:53
<sbalneav>
Morning all
14:53
<andygraybeal>
heya scotty
14:55
i got the landlord here, he's gonna help me figure out a better ventalation system for my data cabinet... and i gotta run down to the offsite warehouse and talk to the landlord there to see if they will get me to monitor their UPS running their modem that i'll be connected to.
14:55
oh and talk him into giving me a static ip address
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15:00
<Matrix3000>
sbalneav, did you see the video of my glitch in epoptes
15:00
http://screencast.com/t/rsm8f7wzTIIx
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15:04
<sbalneav>
Matrix3000: No, you'd probably want to show alkis and not myself
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15:15
<Matrix3000>
aight
15:15
now one of these days when alkis decides to read the chat
15:15
lol
15:16
btw, my real name is Eric
15:16
<andygraybeal>
matriceric :)
15:17
i've been happy calling you m3k .. makes me think of mkultra
15:17
<Matrix3000>
ha
15:17
Eric Anderson
15:17
now you know why people call me matrix
15:18
i had to live with being called "Mr. Anderson" by everyone since that movie came out
15:18
i mean its true, but they do it in that same tone that Agent Smith used
15:18
cause they think its funny
15:19
<andygraybeal>
hehehhe
15:19
eric matrix anderson :)
15:20
<Matrix3000>
i should legally change my name to that
15:21
haha
15:23
<sbalneav>
gettin close to 30 years ago, I was assigned the userid 'sbalneav' in Grade 10 on my first unix system for my name: Scott Balneaves. It's the only userid I've ever had since.
15:24
Crumb. I've plugged an extra monitor into my laptop and now unity-2d's hopelessly broken.
15:24
can't alt-tab, launcher doesn't bring things forward.
15:25
What the heck am I going to put in front of my users 12-04? Can't be unity.
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<sbalneav>
bbiab
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15:44
<Matrix3000>
well eanderson is a very common username in the world
15:44
makes it extremely difficult to use almost any variation of eanderson unless it is a small company or I own the site that the name is used
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16:19
<Matrix3000>
um the default, just do the unity gnome replacement
16:19
and use gnome
16:19
install the package on the server and the chroot
16:20
im actually going to try and force my peeps to use unity
16:22
<andygraybeal>
yea, what is it called - 'gnome-shell-fallback' ?
16:26
<Matrix3000>
yes i believe
16:27
should we document that or mention it in ubuntu ltsp wiki?
16:27
because it will be extremely common to ltsp users
16:41
<mgariepy>
xfce4 would be great too i think.
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<sbalneav>
....aaaaand back
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17:18
<sbalneav>
stgraber: ping
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17:29
<andygraybeal>
xfce ... yes did you read the dev drama that linus torvalds himself is fed up with gnome.. for xfce .. april 2011
17:29
er august i mean
17:29
<-- need glasses
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17:53
<sbalneav>
yeah, I've just loaded it here.
17:58
<stgraber>
sbalneav: pong
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18:07
<sbalneav>
stgraber: What's your december looking like? Could we set aside a day or two to experiment with pam_sshauth + lightdm?
18:07
back in a sec; getting lunch
18:09
<stgraber>
sbalneav: December doesn't look too bad for now, I'll be in Switzerland most of it and on vacation from the 21st to the 2nd of January, so can definitely find some time to play with pam_sshauth/nss_sshsock/lightdm
18:41
<sbalneav>
stgraber: cool
18:41
I'll keep an eye out for you
18:41
On the channel. My eye-stalks don't reach as far as Switzerland
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<stgraber>
heh
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19:16
<TheProf>
Good afternoon. I have a question about shared folders. I'm looking for a way to create a shared folder for the teacher's report cards so they can all edit them together. I've searched online but I'm still a bit confused.
19:17
I created a folder and used chmod -R 2770 . in order to set it to group permissions "teacher"
19:17
and all the teachers can write into the folder.
19:17
But no teacher can edit any other teacher's documents.
19:18
So I'm not sure what I am missing in order to get all teachers to read and write any documents any of them create within that folder?
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19:25
<khildin>
TheProf - did you chmod the dirs to that or the files in it?
19:25
<TheProf>
khildin, There were no files when I ran the command. Just a bunch of subdirectories to the main one
19:26
<khildin>
I would set the dirs to 2770 and the files to 0660. don't forget to set umask to 0002
19:26
<TheProf>
I then created a file inside a subfolder as a test.
19:26
<sbalneav>
You'll need to change all the document's groups to teacher.
19:26
chgrp -R teacher .
19:26
<TheProf>
khildin, OK the part of setting the directories to 2770 I believe I did with chmod -R 2770. Not sure about the file part.
19:27
sbalneav, If there are no documents how can they be changed?
19:27
<sbalneav>
If there are no documents how do you know they can't edit them? :)
19:27
Can you cut and paste an ls -l of the directory?
19:28
<TheProf>
sbalneav, I got a teacher to create one as a test. I'm worried people will be creating on the fly and I hadn't changed their permissions at that time.
19:28
sbalneav, sure I will paste it in now.
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19:31
<TheProf>
http://pastebin.com/tnFkNFdR
19:31
<khildin>
something like: sudo find /path/to/folder -type d -exec chmod 2770 {} \; for the directories, sudo find /path/to/dir -type f -exec chmod 0660 {} \; for files and umask 0002 set in /etc/profile should work
19:32
<TheProf>
khildin, erm...wow? :)
19:34
khildin, I see how that works for existing folders and files - but if throughout the week teachers are creating and deleting files, would I need to run that command for the files on some sort of Cron schedule?
19:35
<khildin>
once set it will be set for new files and dirs too
19:35
just to be sure: that's for an ubuntu server... ;)
19:40
<TheProf>
khildin, yes - Edubuntu 10.04
19:40
<khildin>
ok
19:40
<sbalneav>
have you tried creating a file in that folder?
19:41
<TheProf>
Yes - I created one inside grade 6. Looking at the permissions the owner has full read/write but the other members of the group have 'read' only on the file.
19:42
<khildin>
you did set the umask right?
19:43
<sbalneav>
what's your umask set to?
19:43
<TheProf>
sbalneav, ls -l for that file gives you: -rw-r--r-- 1 teachername teachers 133632 Nov 16 14:13 Elem.DM.RPT. CRD.2011.doc
19:43
<khildin>
^^
19:43
<sbalneav>
ah
19:43
you'll need to set the default umask to 0007
19:44
<TheProf>
when I was reading a bit online about umask I wasn't very clear and didn't want to screw up everything by playing with it without asking here first. :)
19:44
OK so everyone's default umask should be 0007?
19:44
just for this folder or for everything?
19:44
<khildin>
you're right... should be 0007
19:45
<sbalneav>
For everyone.
19:45
if it's 0007, files created will, by default be:
19:46
rw owner
19:46
rw group
19:46
no permissions other
19:47
<khildin>
0007 because you do NOT want the rest of the world even list or read access... :)
19:47
<TheProf>
OK I see. So within their own home folder it is fine that it's RW group because the rest of the group doesn't access /home/teacher but in a shared folder it works out that they all can RW each other, correct?
19:48
<khildin>
that's the idea
19:48
<TheProf>
I got it thanks.
19:50
<khildin>
i had more or less the same issue once for writeaccess to /var/www for multiple users.... I worked that out using those commands
19:51
<TheProf>
OK very cool. So I've changed the line in /etc/profiles from umask 022 to umask 007 and saved it.
19:51
<khildin>
but 'rest of the world' DID need readaccess for that (obviously)
19:51
<TheProf>
Just need everyone to log in and out again and it should be good!
19:51
<khildin>
0007!
19:51
need another 0
19:51
<Matrix3000>
ltsp-remoteapps epoptes right guys
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19:53
<TheProf>
khildin, sorry I had written the 3 zeros
19:53
<khildin>
then you should be set good...
19:55
you probably know your 'umasks' but just for refference: http://forums.techarena.in/operating-systems/1331026.htm
19:55
<TheProf>
khildin, sbalneav thanks very much!
19:55
I will try it out now.
19:56
<khildin>
dunno if you need to log of and log in again to make those settings active.... I think I read something like that somewhere
19:57
<TheProf>
I read that also.
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20:12
<Matrix3000>
how do i find my ltsp version
20:12
or at least put myself on the non official ubuntu repo
20:12
<TheProf>
OK so it didn't seem to work properly. I modified /etc/profile to say umask 0007 on the last line.
20:13
then I had a teacher log out, back in, and create a file. But the other members of the group only have read access still.
20:13
<sbalneav>
TheProf: grep pam_umask /etc/pam.d/session-common
20:14
<TheProf>
sbalneav, I will check it now.
20:14
<sbalneav>
err, common-session
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<sbalneav>
should say:
20:15
session optionalpam_umask.so
20:15
back in one sec...
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20:17
<TheProf>
oh man. I think I royally just messed up the machine.
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20:17
<sbalneav>
TheProf: That line there?
20:17
<TheProf>
sudo apt-get gives me sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0660, should be 0440
20:18
argh. I was trying to figure out how to resolve it and typed in "find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 444"
20:18
as per an online guide.
20:18
<sbalneav>
in where, etc?
20:18
<TheProf>
let me check where it was typed in.
20:19
I had navigated to /mnt/school shared in MC and typed it in there.
20:20
<sbalneav>
ok, I'm not sure what you're doing anymore.
20:21
<TheProf>
sbalneav, let me clarify.
20:21
<Matrix3000>
anyone know a ppa for keeping ltsp more up to date?
20:21
like the actuall ltsp
20:22
<TheProf>
I was trying to change the permissions of the files that the teachers had created as per the conversation. Specifically to modify the files to 0660 so that they can be RW for owner and group.
20:22
<Matrix3000>
0770?
20:22
<TheProf>
Because these files were in subdirectories, I searched for how to change permissions recursively. I got this page: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/aix-43/chmod-recursion-files-only-208798/
20:23
<Matrix3000>
isn't that chmod -R
20:23
<TheProf>
and used this command: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 444 as it was indicated to be used when there are spaces in the name.
20:23
Matrix3000 chmod -R didn't work for the files.
20:23
<Matrix3000>
not even sudo chmod -R?
20:24
<TheProf>
Matrix3000, it didn't for me now.
20:24
<Matrix3000>
what error did you get
20:25
<TheProf>
Since I'm more used to Fedora where you can become root, I thought the correct way to run a root command for another directory would be to sudo mc, then navigate to that directory and type in the command at the bottom cmd line.
20:25
<sbalneav>
chmod 444 would make all the permissions -r--r--r-- which isn't what you want anyway
20:25
<TheProf>
Matrix3000, it only modified the directory, not the files themselves.
20:25
<Matrix3000>
give me one second
20:26
<sbalneav>
you can certainly just set a root password if that's what you prefer.
20:26
<TheProf>
sbalneav, I changed the number from 0440 in the example to 0660
20:26
sbalneav, I was trying to learn the correct methodology I guess rather than overriding.
20:27
<sbalneav>
but what you pasted was 4444
20:27
444 sorry
20:27
<Matrix3000>
ok, try sudo chmod 770 -vR <directory you want to change permissions to>
20:27
<TheProf>
sbalneav, you're right - I pasted from the website as I can't see the history in MC
20:27
sbalneav, sorry my mistake.
20:27
<alkisg>
!daily-builds | echo Matrix3000:
20:27
<ltsp>
Matrix3000: daily-builds: you can find untested daily builds for Ubuntu LTSP in https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/daily
20:27
<Matrix3000>
ah ok
20:28
<sbalneav>
ok, first of all, can you sudo anymore or not?
20:28
<Matrix3000>
alkisg: thanks
20:28
i hope he can sudo, otherwise :(
20:28
<sbalneav>
at a command line AND NOT OUT OF MC, can you type "sudo -i"
20:29
<TheProf>
sbalneav, I have no name!@i7-eduLTSP:~$ sudo -i give: sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0660, should be 0440 (new line) sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
20:29
if I remember I did create a password for root a long time ago - I can try to log in as root on the server (I'm on a thin client now).
20:30
<sbalneav>
ok, so, you've buggered up your /etc directory somehow.
20:30
<Matrix3000>
:((((((
20:30
<TheProf>
argh. stupid me.
20:30
<Matrix3000>
crap
20:31
<TheProf>
Guess there's no "reset all permissions to factory" option.
20:31
<Matrix3000>
haha
20:31
<khildin>
it's no windows... :P
20:31
<Matrix3000>
actually windows is just as bad now with permissions
20:31
<khildin>
take ownership... :P
20:31
<Matrix3000>
if you use NTFS
20:32
<sbalneav>
There is a "restore from last nights backup" option.
20:32
<khildin>
hehe...
20:32
<sbalneav>
You do have last night's backup, right?
20:32
<TheProf>
Everything in /home yes backed up.
20:32
<Matrix3000>
ah
20:32
<TheProf>
not sure about the rest - I'll check.
20:32
<Matrix3000>
no /etc?
20:33
<sbalneav>
Then you'll be having to boot from a cd, into rescue mode, and fixing up /etc
20:33
<Matrix3000>
yea
20:34
ubuntu live cd
20:34
<khildin>
that's why I like VM's and snapshots.... ^^
20:34
<TheProf>
Woah - ssh into backup server initially refused with error "You don't exist, go away!" Never saw that one before.
20:35
sbalneav, the rescue mode would also take care of software installed after the OS was installed?
20:35
<Matrix3000>
i <3 vSphere Hypervisor
20:35
I snapshot my ldap database server
20:36
wish i could do the same to ltsp server
20:36
but ltsp under vmware has to be wierd
20:36
and bad
20:36
lol
20:36
<sbalneav>
TheProf: rescue mode will just boot you into a root owned shell.
20:36
<TheProf>
OK sbalneav I understand.
20:36
<sbalneav>
you'll have to mount your root, and patch up your /etc
20:37
<alkisg>
Matrix3000: I don't know about ltsp under vmware, but ltsp under virtualbox runs fine, even under windows
20:37
<sbalneav>
at a bare minimum, you'll need to fix the perms on your /etc/sudoers file
20:37
<Matrix3000>
i mean ltsp server though
20:37
not as a client
20:37
<khildin>
why would ltsp run bad in a VM?.... just throw enough memory to it... large db's are worse in a vm...
20:38
<Matrix3000>
well our LTSP server has 16GB ram
20:38
and we need it with 47 running thin clients
20:38
that's right now we've seen upwards of 60-70 if everyone is in the office
20:38
<khildin>
ever tried to run FF as a local app?
20:38
<Matrix3000>
yea
20:38
need help?
20:38
<khildin>
saves a lot of memory
20:39
<Matrix3000>
oh yea, we use fat clients
20:39
<alkisg>
Matrix3000: yes, ltsp as a server runs fine under virtualbox
20:39
<Matrix3000>
hmm
20:39
ill look at doing that
20:39
<alkisg>
In about 80% to 90% of its original performance
20:39
<Matrix3000>
might be useful in a situation where failover is extremely important
20:40
<sbalneav>
root@sputnik:/usr/lib/cups/filter# uptime 14:40:12 up 8 days, 18:52, 36 users, load average: 1.24, 1.34, 1.36
20:40
<TheProf>
sbalneav, OK I will look to do the patching for sudoers
20:41
<Matrix3000>
http://screencast.com/t/cmyvq7r4qH
20:41
beat that
20:41
lol
20:41
load of 0.1
20:42
fat clients and thin clients
20:42
<alkisg>
Epoptes in the screenshot, cool :P :D
20:42
<Matrix3000>
it's ram usage that is insane
20:42
<sbalneav>
all mine are thin.
20:42
<Matrix3000>
alkisg: epoptes is so much better than italc
20:43
<TheProf>
OK fire alarm drill now (just a fun day!) - thank you for your help
20:43
<Matrix3000>
sbalneav: i am also running monitoring software on all the clients
20:43
<khildin>
Matrix3000: tell me more.... I only used iTalc
20:43
<Matrix3000>
theprof: have a good one
20:43
khildin: actually alkisg here is the man
20:43
he's the dev on it
20:43
<khildin>
alkisg start talking... :)
20:44
<Matrix3000>
hahaha
20:44
http://www.epoptes.org/
20:44
!epoptes
20:44
<ltsp>
Matrix3000: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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20:45
<khildin>
so also on non ltsp servers?
20:45
<Matrix3000>
yes
20:45
<khildin>
interesting... :)
20:45
<Matrix3000>
installation instructions are pretty easy
20:45
they are on the site as well
20:45
for both types of clients
20:45
irc channel is #linux.sch.gr
20:47
<khildin>
is it only for GUI/WM enabled servers? or also headless servers?
20:48
and can it be used over internet? (wan connections)
20:49
<Matrix3000>
wan if you have a vpn
20:50
<khildin>
ofc...
20:50
might be a great option for zentyal...
20:50
<Matrix3000>
why would u use it for zentyal?
20:50
zentyal is web interface managed
20:51
<khildin>
yes... but if you have 20 servers..... you can have them all in 1 view
20:51
<Matrix3000>
true, but open up tabs
20:51
and ssh sessions
20:51
how many of your servers have gui's
20:52
<khildin>
and chances are that LTSP will be implemented in zentyal...
20:52
all zentyal servers have gui... by default...
20:52
it's a limited gui... but still a gui
20:54
I think I will toy around a bit with epoptes... look what it can bring..
20:56
anyway... Iḿ off for today... seeyas and thanks for the epoptes tip... :)
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21:11
<Matrix3000>
fun fun
21:13
<sbalneav>
Matrix3000: By the way, I wasn't able to find the schema.
21:14
<Matrix3000>
sbalneav: that kinda sucks...we have a approval and lost the schema lol
21:14
<sbalneav>
the schema would have been hopelessly out of date anyway
21:15
many new varibles have been added since it was done.
21:15
<Matrix3000>
yea
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: hey ho
21:58
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hiya
21:59
didn't get a chance to test stuff last night
22:04
<sbalneav>
No problem. Wasn't dropping hints :)
22:05
<alkisg>
Hi vagrantc, if you have a few minutes to spare, I got 2 questions for you...
22:05
First, am I "allowed" to try to run `epoptes-client -c` on postinst to fetch the certificate from the server declared in /etc/default/epoptes-client? I could even show the certificate in some debconf dialog, if required, and ask if the sysadmin agrees with that..
22:05
And second, am I "allowed" to implement a "login" feature, where in the clients properties dialog there will be a "username" and a "password" field, and the teacher will be able to right click on some clients and select "login" to have the clients automatically login?
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<alkisg>
The worst thing with the login feature will be the implementation, the only cross-DM implementation I can think of is to actually send the keystrokes with XTE. At least the local root account will be used for that, so the password will only travel the network through the openssl/socat socket.
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<sbalneav>
on later tonight
22:19
cheers
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: not sure about the fetching the cert from the server
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22:20
<vagrantc>
alkisg: the latter feature, presuming it isn't implemented as a security disaster, probably would be fine.
22:20
<alkisg>
It'll just send "username\npassword\n" through the socat socket
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22:21
<alkisg>
Now if the teacher decides to do that while an xterm screen script is active...
22:21
...he'll have the password shown on top of xterm :)
22:22
I can check that no user is logged on while running xte, but I can't check if the cursor is in the correct username input box etc etc
22:23
<vagrantc>
right...
22:23* vagrantc just uses passwordless setups
22:23
<vagrantc>
well, most of them, anyways
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22:26
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i also want to figure out a way to enable/disable epoptes dynamically... normally, i don't want my thin clients to run epoptes (they're just used for random folks browsing the intertubes), but occasionally for a class, i'd want to be able to simply enable it
22:26
seems a little tricky with the epoptes-client (running as root) and the epoptes-client (running as user) ... would it work if you just had the epoptes-client user part?
22:26
<alkisg>
vagrantc: dynamically how? With a login script? Based on some group membership? Based on the current time of the day?
22:27
With epoptes-client you can't shut down an LTSP client that hasn't logged on yet
22:27
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm not sure... just trying to figure out how to do it.
22:27
<alkisg>
And currently you'd also lose the broadcasting, but we can fix that
22:27
So sure, most things can be done with the session epoptes-client only
22:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so if people manually start epoptes-client, most features should work?
22:28
<alkisg>
Yes, except for the 2 mentioned above, and we can easily fix the broadcasting
22:29
<vagrantc>
broadcasting is definitely a desireable feature
22:29
<alkisg>
Also, if you have localapps enabled, you can launch epoptes-client by setting an xprop in the user display
22:29
(you need to be root for that on the server of course)
22:31
The starting point is, "when/how do you want to launch the client", based on which event.
22:39
<vagrantc>
yeah, don't know exactly yet. might just create a special server for that sort of thing with epoptes/epoptes-client installed.
22:40
and then they can choose the epoptes environment at login time.
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22:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: looks like ubuntu pulled epoptes from debian
22:59
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yeah stgraber pulled it from the very first days it was published
23:00
I just hope we'll get text stabilized + enough translations in the archives before the next debian + ubuntu series are published...
23:00
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, how many strings?
23:02
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: 102 now, maybe 120 next month with the feature freeze
23:02
<Hyperbyte>
That's not too bad.
23:02
<alkisg>
Translated directly in launchpad, with translation suggestions etc, so it shouldn't take more than half an hour to the translators
23:02
<Hyperbyte>
If you mail me a .po, I can do a translation probably sometime.
23:03
Oh, Launchpad?
23:03
<alkisg>
Yes, you just go there and start typing if you have an account
23:03
<Hyperbyte>
If I have an account...
23:03
Have to dig it up.
23:03
<alkisg>
And the result goes directly in the branch
23:04
I'll try to send a call for possible translators when the groups editing feature is implemented
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23:12
<alkisg>
That indeed logs in a user: xte "str username" "key Return" "sleep 1" "str password" "key Return"
23:29
<Hyperbyte>
Goooooooood night!
23:29
<andygraybeal>
night Hyperbyte :)
23:29
<alkisg>
'night Hyperbyte :)
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