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Channel log from 6 December 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<Capricorn^80>
anyone alive ?
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<wizzy>
Capricorn^80:
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<Capricorn^80>
wizzy: nice to hear from u
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<wizzy>
Capricorn^80: What ltsp version?
00:47
<Capricorn^80>
4.2
00:48
want to discuss some issues regarding local device support
00:48
<wizzy>
Have you followed the troubleshooter?
00:48
<Capricorn^80>
yes
00:48
<wizzy>
and ?
00:49
<Capricorn^80>
i have install fuse
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<wizzy>
what step of the troubleshooter did it fail ?
00:50
<Capricorn^80>
then i download the rpm for LTSP localdev support package n i tried rpm -i <file> . i gave me some conflicting errors
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<wizzy>
details details
00:52
nobody can help without all the error messages, what you tried, OS, etc.
00:52
<Capricorn^80>
ok wait
00:52
<wizzy>
debian ? redhat ?
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<Capricorn^80>
Fedora K-12
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<wizzy>
so - you cannot install localdev ? Or - you installed, it doesn't work ?
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<Capricorn^80>
just wait n dont go as after a long time to chat on this
00:57
i found some one
01:00
General Sectary of Funkada & Dramatics Society in Comsats Institute of Information Technology, Abbottabad.
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Event Coordinator of Computer Science Day held in Comsats Abbottabad.
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Captain of Cricket team in Comsats Institute of Information Technology.
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oh sorry
01:00
wrong window
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i have paste that errors in pvt
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if u say i can paste on main ?
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<wizzy>
go here http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia and tell me how far you got.
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<Capricorn^80>
ok
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listen i m using this link
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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<wizzy>
Looks good
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<Capricorn^80>
ok i m on this step Installing the LTSP localdev support package.
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then i download the rpm for LTSP localdev support package n i tried rpm -i <file> . i gave me some conflicting errors
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<Capricorn^80>
i paste the errors
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in pvt to u
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<wizzy>
remove all the conflicting packages like ltsp_ltspfs-4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.5.0.0 - "rpm --erase package"
01:15
Did you do a from-scratch install of K12LTSP, or is this an upgrade ?
01:15
<Capricorn^80>
hmm .. my server is working now n users are online .. i m afraid that this will create some problem
01:16
<wizzy>
I have not used K12LTSP - maybe everything is there already ?
01:16
<Capricorn^80>
my k12ltsp was working from 2 months
01:16
just having usb problems
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user can mount it fine . n after some time some users gets problem
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<wizzy>
Start with the Troubleshooting section - assume everything is installed ?
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<Capricorn^80>
as usb dont show any data
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yes
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<wizzy>
There was a problem regarding second use of USB on client - maybe that is the bug ?
01:18
So - it sometimes works, then does not, reboot the client it works agian ?
01:18
<Capricorn^80>
no it didnt
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<wizzy>
It never worked ?
01:18
<Capricorn^80>
yes
01:19
<wizzy>
Step through the troubleshooter
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<Capricorn^80>
when u insert usb . The Kingston folder appears on Desktop n when u open it dont have any text
01:19
it dont have any files or data
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<wizzy>
Step through the troubleshooter
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<Capricorn^80>
n size show by usb is 22.0 GB which is user home size
01:21
i did troubleshooter too
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<wizzy>
what step did you get to ?
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<Capricorn^80>
let me do it again
01:30
starting from step 2
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my version is 4.3 upadtes
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i got result for step 3 .. all works fine
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step 4: i didnt get any hostname as i user dynamic configuration n didnt assign hostname to ip's
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step 5 output : yes i m getting it like /tmp/drives/KINGSTONG autop rw, noatime 0,0
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<wizzy>
Step 4 might be a problem - you should have reverse lookups in /etc/hosts, and dhcp should allocate names
01:40
From the shell, can you see the files ? cd /tmp/drives ; ls -R
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<Capricorn^80>
yes
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<wizzy>
step 7,8,9,10 ?
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<Capricorn^80>
wait
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step 7 : yes getting 102 (fuse)
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step : lbussd deamon is working
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step 9 : getting error lsmod : command not found
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<wizzy>
Use /sbin/lsmod
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<Capricorn^80>
step 10 : output is ws148.Ltsp:1.0
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step 9: getting output . fuse 45269 4
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<wizzy>
good
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<Capricorn^80>
i guess every thing is working fine
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<wizzy>
step 11 ?
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<Capricorn^80>
i did that n execute the command /usr/sbin/lbus_event ......................
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tmp folder was created on desktop
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n there was file with name tmp of home/Drives
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<wizzy>
seems good. If you plug in a USB stick, can you see it ? How is the USB stick formatted ? sda, or sda1 ? It must be sda1
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<Capricorn^80>
wait let me complete step 11
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n i tried command mount
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i got output
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ltspfs on /home/username/Drives/tmp type fuse (rw,nosuid)
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i dont know sbalneav is username or some thing else
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<wizzy>
yes sbalneav is a username
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<Capricorn^80>
ok
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then its fine
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<wizzy>
How is the USB stick formatted ? sda, or sda1 ?
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<Capricorn^80>
i got output of multiple users after using mount
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<wizzy>
fdisk -l /dev/sda
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<Capricorn^80>
i execute this command using roor n output is
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... /dev/sda1 start =1 end= 261 block 209645 id = 82 system = linux swap / solaris
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also there is option boot = *
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<wizzy>
That looks like your USB stick is badly formatted ??
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<Capricorn^80>
which options tell u about this information
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<wizzy>
I would like "system = vfat" or Windows 95
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<Capricorn^80>
i have formatted it on windows
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with FAT32
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y its showing linux swap / solaris ?
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<wizzy>
Why does it say linux swap / solaris ?
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<Capricorn^80>
i have use this usb on solaris 9 n 10
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<wizzy>
Maybe you formatted /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1
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partition type for solaris is the same as linux swap
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82
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<Capricorn^80>
i just insert it on solaris n copy data
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<wizzy>
Is there a file on the USB stick ?
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<Capricorn^80>
yes
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<wizzy>
Do you have solaris ?
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<Capricorn^80>
but listen
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i have sun systems
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one more confussion is going on
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i would like to address that
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<wizzy>
When the stick is in the client, can you see the file on the stick ?
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cd /tmp/Drives ; ls -R
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<Capricorn^80>
i think my this confussion answers u
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<wizzy>
If you type mount, does it report /dev/sda1 ?
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<Capricorn^80>
i have 2 users saji , fozia .. this usb that i have now works fine on saji . but when i use it on login fozia this usb files are not there but KINGSTON folder appears on Desktop . but it got 3 files which are not in my usb
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<wizzy>
reboot fozia client ? Does it work after ?
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<Capricorn^80>
wait let me tell u message of mount
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<Capricorn^80>
when i login with user fozia n insert usb the KINGSTON folder appears n when i write mount command on terminal
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it didnt report /dev/sda1
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<wizzy>
what did it report ?
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<Capricorn^80>
things like /dev/hda2 on /type ext3 .. proc on /proc n more .. n in last line .. ltspfs on /home/fozia /Drives/My Floppy type fuse ...
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but one more thing
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when i got to shell .. i can usb mounting messages like this
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<Capricorn^80>
scsi device sda ........... , sda : write protected off
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<wizzy>
What does "mount" say ?
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<Capricorn^80>
sda : sda1
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<Capricorn^80> things like /dev/hda2 on /type ext3 .. proc on /proc n more .. n in last line .. ltspfs on /home/fozia /Drives/My Floppy type fuse ...
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<wizzy>
mount on the client, not the server
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<Capricorn^80>
thats report is when i login from fozia user n write mount on terminal
02:31
i m not client
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sorry
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<wizzy>
Ctrl-Alt-F1
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<Capricorn^80>
i mean to say i m on client
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not on server
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yes
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<wizzy>
But /dev/hda2 is not on the client
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Do you have a hard disk on the client ?
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<Capricorn^80>
no
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<wizzy>
then the mount command you ran was on the server
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What does Ctrl-Alt-F1 do ?
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<Capricorn^80>
well i m on client thin station .. 300 Mhz dell .. n login from user fozia
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<wizzy>
I know
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What does Ctrl-Alt-F1 do ?
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<Megant_>
change to virtual console number one
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<wizzy>
Nothing ?
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text screen ?
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<Capricorn^80>
linux interface
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<Megant_>
wizzy: yes
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<Capricorn^80>
no linux login interface
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<wizzy>
Good - you need to be there, no on X
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Do you have a login prompt ?
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<Capricorn^80>
yes
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<Megant_>
it is on the client
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if you want to login you should chroot on server and adduser
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<Capricorn^80>
my Screen_02 is shell
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<wizzy>
edit (on the server now - Ctrl-Alt-F2 will get you there) /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/passwd
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<Megant_>
(because root is mounted over nfs without write permissions)
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you could just copy that password from somewhere
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<wizzy>
find the root password entry, take out the ! from the passwd field
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<Capricorn^80>
wait wait .. i m not getting it
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whats the problem .. plz address again
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<wizzy>
You need to log in from the client text console
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the easiest way is to make the root account (on the client) have no password
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In /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/passwd (or wherever on K12LTSP)
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<Capricorn^80>
listen there is some things going on in my mind .. n i not getting 100 % wat u r saying .. let me clear some thing
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i know i have enable the shell which give root access only
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n i will disable it after trouble shooting
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<wizzy>
OK - do that then. I like to have both - text and graphics
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<Capricorn^80>
i didnt provide shell to users
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its only for my testing right now
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so i think i should forget this root passwd thing now
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<wizzy>
SCREEN_01 = shell ; SCREEN_02 = startx
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<Capricorn^80>
mine is SCREEN_01 = startx ; SCREEN_02 = shell
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now i think we were at mount point
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n i paste u the output of that
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should we proceed after that
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<wizzy>
From the shell on the client, with the USB stick plugged in, what does "mount" say ?
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<Capricorn^80>
as no /dev/sda1 is there when i write mount with user login fozia on linux interface i.e on Start X
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<wizzy>
I want shell result
02:43
On startx it should say "fuse"
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<Capricorn^80>
From the shell on the client ... well on shell my id is root
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<wizzy>
fine
02:45
what does "mount" say ?
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(skip all the tmpfs stuff)
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<Capricorn^80>
ok
02:48
rootfs on /type root fs (rw) .. none on / type rmfs (rw) .. 192.168.0.254:/op/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /nfsroot ... none on /sys .. none on proc .. none on /proc/bus/usb type usbf (rw)
02:49
.. means lin break
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.. means line break
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<wizzy>
Is the USB stick in ?
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<Capricorn^80>
yes
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<wizzy>
Hmm - that tells me the USB stick is not mounted ?? Reboot the client and try again ? I want to see /dev/sda1 on /tmp/Drives/KINGSTON or something
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<Capricorn^80>
listen it was working i.e /tmp/Drives/KINGSTON
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<wizzy>
but "mount" does not report it ??
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<Capricorn^80>
not now
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<wizzy>
I think that is a problem
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<Capricorn^80>
listen
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until i use command /user/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh remove block /tmp 1024 .............. i guess sooo
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because i checked in step 3:
02:55
when i performed that
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<ao_>
good morning
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<Capricorn^80>
ok listen now
02:56
i can access cd /tmp/drives/
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ls
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<wizzy>
I do not have a setup I can check now, but I think mount should report your USB stick
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<Capricorn^80>
KINGSTON
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<wizzy>
Can you try the same on the other client (that works ?) You should not need to log in.
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<ao_>
i want to have local drive access from rdesktop (no remote X)
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<Capricorn^80>
i did that just now
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let me have his result
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<wizzy>
"mount" ?
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<ao_>
is there a way to automatically mount /tmp/drives/*
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?
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<Capricorn^80>
yes
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ltspfs on /home/saji/Drives/KINGSTON type fuse ........
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<wizzy>
That is the server, not the client. shell please ..
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<Capricorn^80>
i m on linux gnome n login with user saji
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ok
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same result
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the one i pasted u b4
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<Capricorn^80> rootfs on /type root fs (rw) .. none on / type rmfs (rw) .. 192.168.0.254:/op/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /nfsroot ... none on /sys .. none on proc .. none on /proc/bus/usb type usbf (rw)
03:01
listen
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<wizzy>
OK - I can't help as I do not have a setup I can look at here
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<Capricorn^80>
i m login with user saji on gnome .. y u called it as server ?
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n on shell where my id is root .. u called it as client
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<wizzy>
If you are logged in, you are on the server.
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<Capricorn^80>
y so
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<wizzy>
The client has only one account - root.
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<ao_>
or what is the official way to have local devices on rdesktop? and NOT mount /tmp/drives/* by hand?
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<wizzy>
It has no knowledge of saji
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ao_: I do not use rdesktop
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<Capricorn^80>
ao_: i guess u want your local drives on windows ???
03:04
wizzy : wat to do next :P:P:P
03:04
<ao_>
Capricorn^80: yes, exactly
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<Capricorn^80>
well all think work fine
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ao_: i guess not possible yet .. they are working on it
03:04
but u have to user linux for that
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<ao_>
Capricorn^80: thanks. Then i will write a little shell script to do the mounts
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<Capricorn^80>
wizzy : all my steps are working except one i.e hostname
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<ao_>
Capricorn^80: i tried to make users familiar with gnome....gues what the result was :((
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<Capricorn^80>
well on my end . every one is working on linux :P .. coz users like its color etc .. a few use windows for little work
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ao_: if u got success in mouting local device on windows do let me know
03:07
wizzy: any other idea ???
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<ao_>
OK
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<Capricorn^80>
wizzy: i m thinking some thing .. let me share it with u .. when u login from fozia n insert any usb it always show 3 files in KINGSTON .. these 3 files are not in that usb
03:11
wizzy: u there ?
03:12
it means its showing some static data
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<wizzy>
log in as fozia on the other terminal ? are there two ?
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<Capricorn^80>
same result
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<wizzy>
It might be another partition on the USB stick, or the raw drive (/dev/sda)
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<Capricorn^80>
i tried that
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<wizzy>
I would wipe the USB stick, reformat, try again
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<Capricorn^80>
well as i told u its always showing 3 files n one thing more when i open it it show me 22.5 GB
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<wizzy>
I do not think the hostname thing is a problem if the other steps work
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<Capricorn^80>
which is i think home drive size
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<wizzy>
what size does fozia say ?
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<Capricorn^80>
this problem as happened to user saji .. all i did was i added saji user to fuse group n format the saji's usb n after that usb work fine
03:15
22.5 GB
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<Mathesis>
Capricorn^80: hi
03:16
i need install a config ltsp in debian stable
03:17
i need a syte web with info for ltsp... in spanish
03:18
<Capricorn^80>
MAthesis: i just got 10 mins to chat .. n i have to figure out my problem .. so cann't help u right now .. dont mind
03:18
wizzy: u figure out some thing or any idea ?
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<wizzy>
I think mount should report your USB stick
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<Capricorn^80>
on shell . right ?
03:21
well i m leaving now .. if u got any idea to check after that .. just msg me
03:21
thx for such a nice chat n working with me to troubleshoot :P
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<zege>
Hi. Is it possible to run GDM (XDMCP) on a different Machine?
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<wizzy>
zege: Yes - SERVER variable in lts.conf
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<zege>
wizzy: when i set SERVER to my gdm server, then there will be no problem with booting from a different server?
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<ao_>
zege: yes. The box you boot from does not need to be the X server
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<Mathesis>
check its project
04:18
ndiyo.org
04:18
it very cool
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<zege>
thx
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<zege>
Is it possible to use the nfs-user-sever instead of the nsf-kernel-server? Because i use Xen to virtualize my ltsp server, and the xen Kernel does not support the nfs-kernel-server.
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<zege>
hmm nobody in here who knows?
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<ao_>
yes, that does not matter
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but check that the nfs server supports tcp, since udp can be a mess sometimes
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<zege>
and what is when my nfs server is up, but i can't access it from other machines? /etc/exports is default ltsp
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it says: permission denied
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<ao_>
this is a issue of your userland nfs server then, check the logfiles
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<zege>
ok thx
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<zege>
ao_: do you know where nfs doeslog? /var/log/dmesg or syslog?
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<ao_>
to syslog
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<zege>
thx
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<dsl4174>
can i use a laptop with pcmcia network card as a ltsp client ?
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<cliebow>
sort of
06:06
you cant initialize pcmcia without a kernel..so you need a kernel locally
06:06
there are a few laptops out there that wil pxe boot.
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<dsl4174>
cliebow: is there any documentation about tat ?
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<cliebow>
on their wired interface
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<dsl4174>
mysaptop surely doesn't pxe boot
06:07
<cliebow>
must be on the wiki
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<cliebow>
i cant find a link from here..check back in a few hours and maybe the big guns will be here
06:11
http://www.elinux.org/wiki/LTSP-HDboot
06:12
try that
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<dsl4174>
hmmm tnx i was "searching" the wiki with the jump thing in the right upper corner, so i found nothing
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<cliebow>
we been trying to sort out the old docs onto the wiki without much success
06:13
i am sure there are less complicated ways
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<dsl4174>
this looks like i need rom-o-matic, but rom-o-matic doesn't know about pcmcia network cards, that is where i cot stuck last time that i tried
06:20
<cliebow>
yes i see...there is an old wireless enabled kernel that suppoorts some wired pcmcia cards
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<cliebow>
booting the machine with that kernel ..and putting the kernel modules in /opt/ltsp/i386 will work
06:21
jammcq can help you with that..
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<dsl4174>
cool
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<cliebow>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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<dsl4174>
tnx cliebow, i'll look into that one, still confused how to tell my old notebook to try connect to the network while it doesn't know about its own network card, is that info in the package as far as you know ?
06:28
<cliebow>
i think so..
06:28
the old kernel wont run etter thana 4.1
06:28
ill be on from school by anad by
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<cliebow>
J45p3r_ that uninstall seems to have done the trick
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<dsl4174>
cliebow it has a floppy image, now my only problem is finding the diskdrive for my old laptop .... i took it out, because it only was extra weight, and i didn't used it ...
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<dsl4174>
tnx so far
06:33
<cliebow>
you might get other input from the crew by anad by
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<dsl4174>
quit
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<wizzy>
My Thin clients get the server as a hostname - what have I done wrong in dhcpd.conf ? I have tried "use-host-decl-names on;" I am using Edubuntu 6.10
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<nicoAMG>
Hello!
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I need to know how to update my LTSP installation using the internet connection...
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<nicoAMG>
I'm using LTSP 4.1 installed from CD
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<psycodad>
Gadi: I have a problem with NX_LTSP, i got it running on one server but on another server i always get "Fatal Server error\nBad display name: -1.0" and later on "Xlib: Connection to :0.0 refused by server\nXlib: No protocol specified" does this mean anything to you ?
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<insel_affe>
I'm having a problem with stale X sessions. If a user turns off an LTS client before they have logged out, when they next log in, they do not get a clean session -- the icons are false, for example, under Gnome. I also see some processes still running under the users name on the LTS server after they have turned off the client before logging out. Is there some way to detect that the client has been turned off and that the users X session
09:30
should be completely stopped?
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<ao_>
you can write a script to inspect the tcp socket connection to the display server
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<Gadi>
psycodad: which pkg did you use?
09:45
there were some changes needed between LTSP 4.1 and 4.2
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<insel_affe>
Okay, I write a script to poll the socket, and that would tell me when a client has gone off line. How would I know which users, if any, had X sessions running from that client prior to going off line? (I wouldn't want to kill X sessions from users on other clients that are still on-line.) Should I write a script for each client that writes, say, a little `lock' file in /var/run/lts which associates a user and an IP address each time a u
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ser starts an X session? I could then use these lock files to tell if a now off-line client had any stale X sessions. Or is there a more elegant way to do this?
09:46
<Gadi>
insel_affe: you can do what I do and just have a login script that does: pkill -9 -u $USER ;)
09:47
no fancy footwork required
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<insel_affe>
Right! I'm missing the obvious aren't I? I should be looking at a lower level than X. Many thanks.
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<efra>
Hi everybody
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<ao_>
Gadi: what if the user login for a 2nd session :0
09:55
hi efra
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<efra>
:)
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<asdf_>
why does flash crash on the thin client
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any one one
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<yo>
I am not connect local device tv tuner, sound, usbdisk, floppy and harddisk
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<Egyptian[Home]>
asdf_: http://wiki.ltsp.org
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<Gadi>
ao_: second sessions with Gnome are icky
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<yo>
why drbl slow start and slow run application
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<asdf_>
what happens is that when ever i try to go to a site on the thin client eg. candyland.com the browser closes but when i view on the server it works fine
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<asdf_>
any other help
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<Gadi>
asdf_: does it have flash?
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ah, i see it does fromhistory
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does the flash have sound?
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if it does, you need to make sure you have the flash sound fix in there
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<asdf_>
how do i put the fix in
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<Gadi>
look at the sound page on wiki.ltsp.org - it has all the info
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also, make sure you are using flash7
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Im not sure the fix works for flash9 yet
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<asdf_>
how do i check the version
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<Gadi>
about:plugins
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in your browser
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<pscheie>
Gadi: Thanks for your help yesterday with the sata/pata stuff yesterday, although I never got to test it
10:26
I went to the school to try your blacklist suggestions
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<pscheie>
They had installed FreeBSD since I was there on Monday, so I started over
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I don't like FC's lvm on small single-disk systems, and just set the partitions manually
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Don't know if that was the key or not, but after install, it booted right up.
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started over = reinstalled k12ltsp
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<cliebow_>
pscheie: i agree
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<pscheie>
cliebow_: you mean lvm is overkill on small systems?
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<cliebow_>
yeah..and hard to recover from
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<pscheie>
definitely, that's the main reason I don't use it
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it's rather ironic because years ago I used to whine about linux's lack of lvm
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and about the time it got it, disks had gotten so big and cheap that I concluded that lvm wasn't necessary
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and was actually a potential weakness.
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<cliebow_>
i never much cared for k12 myself..though eric's scripts are way cool
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<pscheie>
So, just as back then, I still do my partitions manually as just straight primary or extended partitions
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I like the inclusion of the kde edu stuff
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although I think the real value is in the web browser and OOo
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<cliebow_>
yeah. i just compiled kdeedu for mac
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so id have ktouch
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<pscheie>
I'm doing a demo at an elementary school today, for a pilot of ltsp servers in the classroom
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none of this 'ltsp lab' stuff. ;-)
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5-15 clients in each classroom
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<asdf_>
i get errors when fallowing this guide need help http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Flash_Player_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
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<Gadi>
and, why, pray tell,are you following that howto?
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<asdf_>
because my flash is messing up
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gadi, help me please
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<Gadi>
asdf_: sound in LTSP uses "esd" by default
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you need to set everything to use esd
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<asdf_>
how do i do that
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<Gadi>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Macromedia_Flash_7
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by going to the Sound section on wiki.ltsp.org
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(11:21:17) Gadi: look at the sound page on wiki.ltsp.org - it has all the info
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<asdf_>
ok
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<joebaker>
pscheie: I wish I knew how to setup systems with EVMS on them so I could benefit from the bad block relocation feature. I saw your comment about LVM and thought I'd interject this thought.
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<pscheie>
what's EVMS?
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enhanced volume management system?
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is that the official name for the lvm stuff?
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(I came from HP Unix where it's just called lvm)
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Is the bad block relocation of feature of EVMS?
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<asdf_>
gadi, the problem is with the client not being able to use flash not the server the server works fine
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<asdf_>
any one else know my problem
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anyone else want to help
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<Gadi>
asdf_: did you make the changes as per the wiki?
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<asdf_>
yes, didnt work
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<cliebow_>
ogra: you come across "cant fiond color black" in python-tk..an easy fix??
11:27
<Gadi>
asdf_: does the browser crash on flash sites that do not have sound?
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<asdf_>
gadi, give me a flash site that doesn't have sound
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<Gadi>
http://www.nextel.com/en/services/?audience=INDIVIDUAL&id12=NEXTEL;Services_Features&language=EN
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<asdf_>
gadi, it did crash
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<Gadi>
which flash plugin is it again?
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the one from macromedia?
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version 7?
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<asdf_>
i dont know
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i cant find out
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<Gadi>
what does it say in: about:plugins ?
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<asdf_>
i don't see any about plugins
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i'm using firefox 2.0
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<Gadi>
in the URL field of your web browser, type "about:plugins"
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and hit the enter key
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<asdf_>
i see 3 shockwave flash things
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i'll paste bin it all ok
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<Gadi>
sure
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<asdf_>
paste bins mestup
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paste bin not workin
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<cliebow_>
Gadi: how to restart xgl?
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<asdf_>
gadi, can i just paste it here
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Shockwave Flash
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File name: libflash-mozplugin.so
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Flash Movie player Version 0.4.12 compatible with Shockwave Flash 4.0
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Shockwave is a trademark of Macromedia®
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GPLFLash homepage : gplflash.sf.net
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MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
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application/x-shockwave-flash Flash Plugin swf Yes
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application/futuresplash Future Splash spl Yes
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Shockwave Flash
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File name: libswfdecmozilla.so
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Shockwave Flash 4.0 animation viewer handled by swfdec-0.3.6. Plays SWF animations, commonly known as Macromedia® Flash®.
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This is alpha software. It will probably behave in many situations, but may also ride your motorcycle, drink all your milk, use your computer to browse porn, or launch kittens from a cannon. Comments, feature requests, and patches are welcome.
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See http://www.schleef.org/swfdec/ for information.
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Flash, Shockwave, and Macromedia are trademarks of Macromedia, Inc. The swfdec software and its contributors are not affiliated with Macromedia, Inc.
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MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
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application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes
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Shockwave Flash
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File name: libflashplayer.so
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Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68
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MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
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application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes
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application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player
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<Megant_>
nice flood
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<ao_>
no sound in shockwave?
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<Gadi>
asdf_: you may want to pare things down so you have only 1 flash plugin installed
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<asdf_>
megant, not ment to flood
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<Gadi>
Im sure having *3* isnt helping the situation
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<asdf_>
witch ones should i kill and how do i kill them
11:48
gadi, witch ones should i kill and how do i kill them
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<Gadi>
heh, they are plugins, you dont shoot them ;)
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<ao_>
SOUND_DAEMON = esd
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then, on the terminal server:
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<Gadi>
if they were installed by a package (as they probably were) the cleanest way is to remove the package
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<ao_>
mkdir /tmp/.esd ; touch /tmp/.esd/socket ; chmod -R 777 /tmp/.esd
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worked for me
11:50
all mplayer plugins also work perfectly well
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<asdf_>
ao_, even ones with no sound don't work
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<ao_>
terminals wo no sound cannot not play audio, jessus
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good luck anyhow
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<asdf_>
gadi, ok i only have one flash
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File name: libflashplayer.so
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Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68
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<Gadi>
ok, now close all browser windows
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<asdf_>
k
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now what
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<Gadi>
ok, now open a browser window and go back to that flash site
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<asdf_>
no sound or sound
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<Gadi>
does it still crash the browser?
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uhm, try no sound first
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<asdf_>
no still crashes
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<tsurk0>
hello, could you tell me a way to broadcast messages to all users logged in?
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<asdf_>
only on client
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<Gadi>
does the whole session crash or just firefox?
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<asdf_>
the entire firefox window closes
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<Gadi>
but your not back at a login screen, right?
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<asdf_>
it does the same with gallion
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right
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<Gadi>
hmm...
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same user on both server and thin client?
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when you test it?
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<asdf_>
no different users
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<Gadi>
could be something with the user's account
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can you try a different user?
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<asdf_>
one sec i'll try logging in on the sever and try with the user account be back in a bit
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ok
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<Gadi>
ok
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<asdf_>
it work with this account on sever
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i could load the page
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no problem
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<Gadi>
try a different user on the thin client
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<asdf_>
i only have one user let me make another one with root privilages ok
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is that what u mean gadi
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<Gadi>
why root priviledges?
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<asdf_>
i dont know
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<Gadi>
shouldnt need root privs to go to a flash site?
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<asdf_>
brb gadi
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<felipe_>
hello, good afternoon, after installed LTSP, which should be the most obvious reason to get "init, "5" is respawining too fast, disabled for 5 minutes, init no more process at this runlevel", so i cant logon on my diskless terminal
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im using debian
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: maybe poblems autodetecting video hardware...
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<mrlinux>
gadi, wont let me log on
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asdf
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<felipe_>
ive created the /opt/ltsp/i386, under this, ive installed my debian sarge base system, with debootstrap
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debootstrap sarge /opt/ltsp/i386/ file://cdrom
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<Gadi>
felipe_: thats not ltsp
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mrlinux: ?
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<felipe_>
Gadi good afternnoon, so please can you give me the point to a good tutorial debian+ltsp please
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<mrlinux>
is asdf_
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<Gadi>
felipe_: rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 && apt-get install ltsp-standalone-server && ltsp-build-client
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mrlinux: I gathered. Why cant you login anymore?
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<felipe_>
but those packages arent in the official debian repositories.
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<mrlinux>
gadi, ok heres the situation if i make a new user they have to install the flash pugins as well
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<Gadi>
felipe_: they should be or something similar
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<mrlinux>
i fixed the login prob
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<Gadi>
apt-get search ltsp
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mrlinux: why?
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<felipe_>
i only can see the package "ltsp-utils" but no more
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<Gadi>
just install the plugin globally
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<felipe_>
apt-cache search ltsp
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<Gadi>
felipe_: which version of debian?
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<nicoAMG>
I think this guy is trying Project MueKow!!
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<mrlinux>
gadi, how do i do that
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<felipe_>
sarge
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3.
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3.1
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<Gadi>
mrlinux: did you install flash from a package?
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<felipe_>
ooh i see it on unstable repositories :)
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<mrlinux>
no from fire fox
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<felipe_>
saw it
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<Gadi>
ah
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mrlinux, what distro are you on?
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<mrlinux>
edubuntu
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<Gadi>
lets do this:
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<nicoAMG>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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<Gadi>
are you logged in as a user with sudo rights?
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<mrlinux>
on server yes
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<Gadi>
ok, for that user do: wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
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thats the official flash plugin from macromedia
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its in a package, too, but, we'll do it this way
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<mrlinux>
i have that downloaded allready
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<Gadi>
ok, install the two files that the Readme.txt tells you to in: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
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(using "sudo cp"
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then, close all browsers and remove any existing users' ~/.mozilla directory
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<mrlinux>
stop one sec i have to redownlod it
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i just doing wget
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<Gadi>
ok
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<mrlinux>
ok done
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next
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now what
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downloaded it
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<Gadi>
unpack the tarball
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<mrlinux>
i don't know where it went
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<Gadi>
are you for real?
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<Gadi>
I think we need a little more edu and a little less buntu
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<mrlinux>
i'm used to windows and i'm not too good with the file system for linux where is the temp folder
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<Gadi>
did it download to your desktop?
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or to your home directory?
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<mrlinux>
home
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<Gadi>
there ya go
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<mrlinux>
ok now i learnt something
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: what's going on?
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<Gadi>
:)
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<mrlinux>
what is the structure for sudo cp
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gadi, what is the structure
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they are in my desktop there are no other files execpt those
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<Gadi>
alright, open a terminal window
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cd <extracted dir>
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<mrlinux>
one sec
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<Gadi>
sudo bash flashplayer-installer
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and then follow the prompt
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or read the Readme.txt - thats why its there
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<mrlinux>
ok the files are in the folder
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how do i make it global
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or did that make it global
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gadi
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<Gadi>
now, remove your users' .mozilla file (its in your home directory)
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and then, launch firefox and see if your plugin is there
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<mrlinux>
i dont see a .mozilla file
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<Gadi>
it is a directory
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rm -rf ~/.mozilla
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<mrlinux>
ok i just ran that command
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so start firefox
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and see if the plugin is there right
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<Gadi>
y
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<mrlinux>
says there is no plugin for flash
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<Gadi>
when you ran the installer, where did it install the plugins to?
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<mrlinux>
i didn't run the installer i copyied the files to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
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ok i ran the installer
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<mrlinux>
it crashed
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<felipe_>
Gadi, how do you build the root filesystem for the diskless terinal? with deboostrap?
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<Gadi>
felipe_: wiht: ltsp-build-client
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<felipe_>
ok :)
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thanks a lot
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: where are U from?
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<felipe_>
colombia
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what about you ?
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: i'm from Costa Rica!! Hablamos Español!!
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<felipe_>
ah que bien !
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: Si
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felipe_: Yo uso LTSp en la empresa..
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<felipe_>
yo tengo problemas con el /opt/ltsp/i386 que hice con debootstrap.
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todo bien , el dhcp el tftp, y el nfs
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pero cuando arranco la terminal, me dice, "init "5" respawining too fast" disabled for 5 minutes
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: Si..
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<felipe_>
con ltsp en general, como se construye el arbol para las terminales?
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: Creo que seguias las instrucciones para instalar MueKow, una versión experimental de LTSP y que se prueba en Ubuntu Linux
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<felipe_>
tu cual guia sigues?
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: Según entiendo ya viene integrada a Ubuntu, pero algunos dicen ques es limitada. Yo no la he probado
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felipe_: Bajé el LTSP 4.2-ISO, luego actualicé a 4.2-update4 desde Internet
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: Sin usar repositorios Debian, sólo instalando el paquete ltspadmin que bajé del sitio de descargas de LTSP
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felipe_: No se si la gente del canal nos va a dejas seguir en español!!
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<vagrantc>
ltsp-server en debian/etch es MueKow.
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<felipe_>
ok so lets continue talking in english :) nicoAMG ejjej
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: I'm using 4.2 LTSP-Update4 installed from 4.2u2 ISO Image, then updated fom LTSP Internet mirror site
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<ogra>
vagrantc, https://code.launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
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<felipe_>
cool
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<nicoAMG>
felipe_: This is my reffereence HowTo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LTSPHowTo
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felipe_: I'm using Ubuntu as LSTP Server
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<vagrantc>
ogra: cool. though shouldn't it still be it's own project?
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<ogra>
its a 50 line python script ... (25 lines are license)
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but feel fre to put it in its own package ;)
14:00
i merged all trees today
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<vagrantc>
ogra: so it's working?
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<ogra>
yep, at least with my usb printer
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didnt test with parallel yet
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but i dont expect problems there
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serial wil be a bit tricky ... thats not implemented yet
14:01* ogra has edubuntu meeting now ... bbl
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<vagrantc>
12 conflicts. nice.
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<felipe_>
ok thanks bye to everyone
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<cliebow_>
any hints finding smp kernel for edgy..this dual is only seeing one proc
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forget it
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<jamest>
hello, i'm trying to use the ltsp-sound scripts from the wiki sound page and have hit some issues, are these still the files to use with 4.2?
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<cliebow_>
jamest: those are ..but ther continue to be unresolved issues which make it kind of a pain to work with..
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<Gadi>
what desktop, jamest?
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do you use gnome?
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<jamest>
kubuntu edgy
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i few oddies i've hit that needed fixing
14:56
<Gadi>
if you can get kde to use esd, you should be home free for the most part
14:56
<jamest>
it uses a which nc to check for netcat but then hardcodes /usr/bin/nc which is at /bin/nc
14:57
<cliebow_>
Gadi: i have a dual cpu machine only seeing one..with latest kernel
14:57
<jamest>
and the rc.sound script properly setting esd to -public on the client
14:57
<cliebow_>
you come across this/
14:57
<Gadi>
are you using an smp kernel?
14:57
<cliebow_>
i apt ed linus 686 smp
14:57
<Gadi>
or "server" kernel as they like to call them
14:58
<cliebow_>
but it load a generic
14:58
<Gadi>
and when you run top, you press '1' after running it?
14:58
<cliebow_>
well cat /proc/cpuinfo
14:58
i cpu i cvan see
14:59
<Gadi>
uname -r
15:00
<cliebow_>
2,6,17-10-386
15:00
apt-cache search didnt show anything interesting
15:02
<Gadi>
ur not running the server kernel
15:02
u need the server kernel for smp
15:02
<ogra>
not really
15:02
the 686 kernel should do
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15:04
<cliebow_>
i did apt-get update kernel-smp-686
15:04
something like that'
15:05
but it picked 2.6.17-10-386
15:07
<ogra>
you are usig edgy already ?
15:07
<cliebow_>
yes
15:08
<ogra>
then try linux-image-generic
15:08
<cliebow_>
in a small school
15:08
i just did
15:08
already the latest
15:09
it is of course pissible i am down a cpu..
15:09
the machine is quite new
15:09
<jamest>
cliebow_: kinda off the wall, but the xen kernel images are also smp
15:09
in edgy
15:09
<ogra>
cliebow_, are you running the -generic kernel ?
15:09
uname -a
15:10
<cliebow_>
well i apt got kernel-smp-686
15:10
<ogra>
what does uame -a give you ?
15:10
*uname
15:10
<cliebow_>
linux-image-generic says i already have the latest
15:10
something just died
15:11
2.6.17-10-386
15:11
<ogra>
aha
15:11
so you are not running -generic
15:12
sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.17-10-386
15:12
reboot
15:12
and you should be done
15:14
<cliebow_>
here we go..God help us
15:15
menu.lst looked good though
15:19
<jamest>
cliebow_: when you said unresolved issues with ltsp-sound
15:19
<cliebow_>
where the heck is she?
15:20
<jamest>
were you talking w/ the ltsp-sound.sh script itself? or something else
15:20
<cliebow_>
jammcq is handy..perhaps he can answer you better
15:20
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
15:21
Cool..Now i have four processors
15:23
One hck of a lot zippier..
15:25
<Gadi>
jamest: go into the KDE control panel and tell it to use esd for the sound output
15:25
that should take you a long way
15:25
<cliebow_>
ogra: that was weird...certainly worked though.. i Know
15:25
<ogra>
cliebow_, ;)
15:25
<cliebow_>
i was running 2.6.17-7 when i saw the prob
15:26
anyway..much appreciated 8~)
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15:41
<vagrantc>
ogra: so... we've got some long-standing differences of opinion with these merges :P
15:42
<ogra>
heh
15:42* vagrantc looks around for upstream
15:42
<ogra>
there were not many conflicts though
15:42
<vagrantc>
only 12.
15:42
<ogra>
whats your prob ?
15:43
only some .po files and indeed the control file
15:43
i think i simply accepted most of your stuff ...
15:43
https://code.launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-fat-clients btw
15:44
(just created)
15:44
<vagrantc>
anything in it?
15:44
<ogra>
the first fragments of the fat-client plugin
15:44
missing the /home and ldap handling
15:45
<vagrantc>
pretty easy to do an unauthenticated kiosk mode, for starters.
15:45
<ogra>
and i think we have a small memory prob with it ... the default for nbdswapd should be raised
15:45
well, i have complete netbooted workstations on the list for feisty
15:45
<vagrantc>
we should implement the "grab as many nbd's as needed" idea.
15:45
<ogra>
either that or just switch to a different default if --workstation is used
15:46
<vagrantc>
i think the grab multiple nbd stuff is far more flexible.
15:46
<ogra>
with fat clients you can run hundrets of clients on one server
15:46
the load is on the clients ...
15:46
<vagrantc>
and not real hard to implement.
15:46
<ogra>
so you can easily add 100-200 clients ...
15:46
<vagrantc>
yeah. i'm trying to get folks at freegeek to switch to ... fat diskless clients
15:46
<ogra>
imagine every client demading 256M swap
15:47
that would give you an hilarious amound of nbd-servers
15:47
*amount
15:47
<vagrantc>
i suppose.
15:47
should handle both situations.
15:47
<ogra>
so for that mode i'd suggest a different default like 128M
15:47
but keep the multiple nbd's for thin clients
15:48* vagrantc considers yet another rewrite of ldm's get_config_bool function
15:48
<ogra>
i can run my fat client with 32M for about two days, then it runs out of mem, so i think we wont go with small swap space here
15:49
heh, i kept it because i know it works and yours didnt work back when i tried
15:49
but i'm open to try again, i just didnt want to introduce additional breakage
15:49
<vagrantc>
i think we should use a dictionary rather than a for loop ... but that's trivial.
15:49
<ogra>
i'll have nough to do to fix the package tomorrow
15:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: so, in client/ldm ... always including -M -S /tmp/.ltspfs-socket in ssh_opts :(
15:50
<ogra>
i guess the locale stuff needs some attention... you split out a lot of functions to plugins i'll need to link etc
15:50
ah, right, i can change that
15:50
no prob
15:51
<vagrantc>
what's the "static localdev support" stuff?
15:51
<ogra>
dunno why your change wasnt jus merged here ... must be because i editied it out back then
15:51
??
15:51
static localdev ?
15:51
ahh, right, floppies and builtin CDs iirc
15:51
<vagrantc>
/var/run/.static-device ....
15:51
<ogra>
ask sbalneav, he wote that part
15:52
its handled like the already mounted devices
15:52
<vagrantc>
always tacking .UTF-8 onto the language settings will cause problems in debian.
15:52
<ogra>
fix it then, ubuntu doesnt have any non UTF-8 locales anymore
15:53
and i thought debian would as well switch with etch
15:53
<vagrantc>
there is more to the world than ubuntu :P
15:53
<ogra>
patches accepted to adjust the world then ;)
15:54
have you looked at jetpipe ?
15:54
<vagrantc>
well, if we're going to work together, it shouldn't always be me adapting ubuntu code to work with debian.
15:54
not yet.
15:54
the upstream code should be distro-independent.
15:55
<ogra>
well, i'll adapt your code as well ... i simply hae no debian around ...
15:55
*have
15:55
and i wasnt aware that debian still uses ISO when implemented it in ubuntu
15:56
the upstream code isnt distro independent as long as we dont have any common buildsystem in place ...
15:56
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, in the debian branch, which you merged, at some point the UTF-8 hard-coding was removed.
15:56
<ogra>
as long as we rely on the debian dir and dpkg ...
15:56* vagrantc thinks there shoudl be an ubuntu dir
15:56
<ogra>
tahts fine ...
15:57
there should be neither of these dirs in the upstream package
15:57
but somehow muecow requires it
15:57
<vagrantc>
i don't see why upstream shouldn't work with distros to keep everything in one place.
15:59
<ogra>
because yo need weird hacks for it ?
15:59
<vagrantc>
shouldn't need weird hacks ...
15:59
<ogra>
well, having two distro packaging dirs is a weird hack
16:00
<vagrantc>
in this case, ubuntu using a "debian" dir seems to be the hack :P
16:00
<ogra>
i know about 10 ubuntu derivatives at least that ship ltsp ... i wouldnt want a baltix or ichtux dir
16:01
anyway, got to go, susie is waiting (i'm working since 13h)
16:01
<vagrantc>
live well
16:02
<ogra>
see your tomorrow, i'll look over the missing bits ...
16:02
<Gadi>
hey, vagrantc, how would you feel about adding the LTSP 4.2 xorg.conf creation scripts as a n option for ltsp-client-setup?
16:02
<ogra>
eek
16:03
<Gadi>
you already have 2 options
16:03
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i don't understand, really ...
16:03
<Gadi>
right now, you use dexconf or dpkg-reconfigure
16:03
<ogra>
Gadi, muecow should use the distro specific approach
16:03
<Gadi>
but both are slow and lacking :(
16:03
<ogra>
thats a matter of the Xorg package maintainers
16:04
<Gadi>
why cant upstream have an option?
16:04
<ogra>
the target of muecow is to drop maintenance for such stuff
16:05
<Gadi>
hmm...
16:05
<ogra>
Gadi, discuss it with jammcq, but i really think its the wrong approach and somewhat counter productive to muecow
16:05
<Gadi>
I see your point
16:05
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i'd entertain the idea, mainly because it is really slow. but conceptually i agree with ogra.
16:05
<Gadi>
I agree, too
16:05
do any of the automagic options allow presseding with device options?
16:06
<ogra>
if jammcq asks me to do it and agrees then i'll indeed accept patches ... but i made my point i think
16:06
<Gadi>
er, preseeding?
16:06
<ogra>
what kind of device ?
16:06
<Gadi>
say video card device options
16:06
<ogra>
partially ...
16:07
<Gadi>
hmm...
16:07
<ogra>
usually the tenor for ubuntu here is "fix the driver to do the right thing" instead of adding extra options
16:07
and afaik that what upstream X is aiming for as well
16:08
i.e. there is no xorg.conf anymore in the ost recent version
16:08
*most
16:09
feisty will likely come out with that version ...
16:09
<Gadi>
thats great, if all of the drivers magically do the right thing
16:09
<ogra>
s ubuntu ltsp will use the freedesktop.org mechanims for HW detection then
16:09
<Gadi>
its when they don't that life sucks for the end user
16:10
<ogra>
complain at upstream ... :) their decision
16:10* vagrantc still poses the question how a driver can do the right thing for hardware from the future
16:10
<ogra>
apt-get install time-travel-device ;)
16:11
<vagrantc>
ogra: what are *you* still doing here :P
16:11
<ogra>
Gadi, kept me around with his ideas :)
16:11
anyway ... i'm off for now :)
16:11
ciao
16:23
<psycodad>
gadi, re my question this afternoon, the NX_LTSP_0.6.tgz from symbiont@sf
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16:24* psycodad wonders what my afternoon means for others ;-)
16:25
<Gadi>
psycodad: try the newer version
16:25
for LTSP 4.2
16:25
lemme find it
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<psycodad>
thx, amazingly the same version works pretty fine on another 4.2 server
16:26
<Gadi>
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/NX1.5.0-141_LTSP_0.8.tgz?modtime=1149606780&big_mirror=0
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16:27
<Gadi>
fluke;)
16:27
<psycodad>
thx
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<psycodad>
Gadi, man you ROCK! at least the vmware diskless test client i can access from here shows screen 4 with a Nomachine Login Box ;-)
16:51
<Gadi>
sweet
16:59
<Mathesis>
ndiyo.org
17:15* vagrantc realizes how slick fuse's sshfs would work for home directory mounting for local apps
17:15
<vagrantc>
especially with ldm ...
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20:21
<Mathesis>
do you speak spanish?
20:22
<vagrantc>
alguna
20:22
<Mathesis>
vagrantc: alguna?
20:22
<vagrantc>
some?
20:23
un poco
20:23
<Mathesis>
that branch debian ltsp is recommendable for servant
20:24
vagrantc: que rama debian es recomendable para servidor ltsp
20:24
stable,unstable,testing?
20:24
<vagrantc>
es dependiente...
20:24
que necesita?
20:25
<Mathesis>
20:25
as it is the branch debian recommendable for server ltsp?
20:25
<vagrantc>
ltsp-server 0.99debian8 de debian/etch
20:25
debian/testing
20:26
yo trabajo con este vercion mucho :)
20:27
<Mathesis>
vagrantc:
20:28
you have some tutorial to install to form debian etch like server ltsp?
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20:28
<vagrantc>
install etch, apt-get install ltsp-server ; ltsp-build-client
20:28
es facil!
20:29
<Mathesis>
i am no much experience with ltsp
20:29
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: tienes un servidor listo?
20:30
<Mathesis>
my problem is the config dhcp,packages ltsp
20:30
<vagrantc>
ah, yes. that is a little more difficult.
20:30
<Mathesis>
20:30
right now I am installing debian
20:32
vagrantc:
20:32
I tapeworm problems to install the server debian did not start from cdrom
20:33
20:33
I am making the installation with img by means of diskket
20:33
<vagrantc>
oh, that is a little difficult.
20:34
<Mathesis>
yes ido
20:34
<vagrantc>
you could copy the sbm.bin to a floppy, and use that to boot to the cdrom.
20:35
<Mathesis>
you have implemented ltsp?
20:35
<vagrantc>
i've done much of the ltsp work in debian.
20:35
since august 2005
20:35
<Mathesis>
20:35
the problem is that single tapeworm by hand netinstall debian
20:35
<vagrantc>
tapeworm is not right ...
20:35
<Mathesis>
vagrantc: you have mail?
20:36
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: yes, though using the mailing list would be best, so others can help too.
20:37
<Mathesis>
I need one helps but personal
20:37
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: my email is vagrant@freegeek.org ... the debian-specific mailing list is pkg-ltsp@lists.alioth.debian.org ... and there's also a couple other ltsp lists ... i can't remember right now.
20:37
<Mathesis>
20:37
I need aid users whom they have debian with ltsp
20:38
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: i know some people who use debian with ltsp and speak spanish better, too :)
20:38
<Mathesis>
20:38
I not English use google translate
20:39
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: de donde eres?
20:39
<Mathesis>
mexico
20:39
vagrantc: i have install system base
20:39
wait a minut please
20:39
<vagrantc>
sure.
20:42
<Mathesis>
update executes aptitude and dist-upgrade
20:42
<vagrantc>
no entiendo ...
20:43
<Mathesis>
yo estoy actualizando a debian testing
20:44
el cd netinstall trae por default sarge. por esa razon estoy pasando a etch
20:44
<vagrantc>
ah.
20:46
<Mathesis>
mi server tiene 184 en memoria ram + cpu 700 mhz
20:46
mis clientes ligeros cpu 450 mhz + 184 en ram
20:47
que opinas de mi hardware es muy minimo
20:48
<vagrantc>
muy minimo, si. pero, es possible.
20:49
<Mathesis>
es poible que trabaje bien
20:49
es un server y 2 clientes
20:49
1 server + 2 clientes
20:49
<vagrantc>
solo 2?
20:49
<Mathesis>
por aho si
20:49
*por ahora si
20:49
<vagrantc>
pienso es mejor mas memorias en el servidor.
20:49
<Mathesis>
que me recomiendas tu?
20:50
256 en el server puedo poner
20:50
<vagrantc>
clienties necesita solo 64-128.
20:51
es possible usar memorias de clienties en el servidor?
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20:51
<Mathesis>
el server puede usar la memoria del cliente?
20:51
<vagrantc>
quantos clienties en el futuro?
20:52
<Mathesis>
10 pero maximizaria el hardare del server
20:53
<vagrantc>
memoria es muy importante.
20:54
<Mathesis>
por cada cliente el server debe contar con 128 de memoria ram
20:54
vagrantc: check its web http://ndiyo.org/systems
20:54
wait a minute please
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21:01
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: tienes "nivo" hardware?
21:05
i need to do something else for a bit ...
21:06
<Mathesis>
no i have buy
21:12* vagrantc is back
21:14
<Mathesis>
vagrantc:
21:16
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: ?
21:17
<Mathesis>
nothing
21:17
:D
21:17
vagrantc: you have msn?
21:17
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: no. solo IRC.
21:18
<Mathesis>
email
21:18
<vagrantc>
vagrant@freegeek.org
21:19
Mathesis: que partes de mexico?
21:19
<Mathesis>
veracruz
21:19
tu de que pais eres vagrantc ?
21:19
<vagrantc>
estados unidos de america, neuvo mexico, ahora.
21:20
en mayo y junio yo fue a mexico y guatemala
21:20
<Mathesis>
tu trabajo tiene que ver con linux and sistemas?
21:21
a trabajar
21:21
<vagrantc>
mas o menos :)
21:22
pero, no mucho por dinero.
21:22
<Mathesis>
you are enginner in systems comp.?
21:22
<vagrantc>
no.
21:22
<Mathesis>
vagrantc: eres pionnero del opensource
21:22
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: :)
21:23
<Mathesis>
das conferencias
21:23
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: yo trabajo con un organizacion de software libre y computadoras recicladas ...
21:23
Mathesis: http://freegeek.org
21:23
eciclados ?
21:23
reciclar?
21:25
<Mathesis>
que hermosos trabajo
21:26
aqui donde vivo yo nadie le interesa eso
21:26
tal vez por que mexico esta muy corrupto en cuanto al software
21:26
pero a mi me encanta linux del todo debian
21:27
<vagrantc>
te gusta debian?
21:28
<Mathesis>
debian is my life
21:28
<vagrantc>
yo tambien, mas o menos. me gusta jardines tambien.
21:29
<Mathesis>
no conozco jardines
21:29
<vagrantc>
granjas?
21:29
fincas?
21:29
<Mathesis>
tampoco
21:30
grangas es una distribucion de linux?
21:30
<vagrantc>
gardening?
21:30
no, plantas vegetales... :)
21:31
<Mathesis>
a oks
21:31
si si conozco
21:31
<vagrantc>
un poco differente de linux :)
21:32
Mathesis: el servidor descargo mucho paquetes?
21:36
<Mathesis>
nop
21:36
ahora toy instalando xorg
21:38
no puedo acentuar
21:38
no encuentro el acento
21:38
xD
21:39
<vagrantc>
no tengo tecladas de acento
21:39
o teclas ?
21:40
<Mathesis>
wait
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21:56
<PMantis>
Now that LTSP put Linux into a school... anyone have examples about what can be taught to high schoolers?
21:56
Class/test examples, etc?
22:12
<Mathesis>
vagrantc: estas
22:12
como se llama la apps para cambiar el modo de preguntas de la consola
22:12
tengo readline quiero cambiar a consola
22:15
ready
22:23
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: lo siento...
22:23
Mathesis: aterm o xterm o rxvt
22:24
Mathesis: o rxvt-unicode
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22:26
<Mathesis>
oks
22:27
wait
22:28
<vagrantc>
dialog o slang?
22:28
Mathesis: no entiendo perfecto
22:29
<Mathesis>
no problem
22:50
vagrantc: ey what kernel you have in debian etch
22:51
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: que tipo de server?
22:52
<Mathesis>
ltsp
22:52
700 mhz 191 en ram
22:52
10 gb hdd
22:53
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: grep vendor_id /proc/cpuinfo
22:53
<Mathesis>
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
22:54
<vagrantc>
apt-get install linux-image-686
22:56
<Mathesis>
espera eso no lo hice en el server
22:56
xD
22:56
lo hice en mi desktop
22:57
<vagrantc>
ssh server grep vendor_id /proc/cpuinfo
22:57
:)
22:57
<Mathesis>
deja instalo ssh
22:58
vagrantc: si dio lo mismo
23:00
vagrantc: whats deskto for 192 en ram to ltsp
23:00
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: pienso icewm
23:01
<Mathesis>
xfc4?
23:01
<vagrantc>
esta bien
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23:01
<Mathesis>
whats is your desktop?
23:02
<vagrantc>
yo prefero ion3, pero es un poco estrangia
23:02
<Mathesis>
whats is your window manager?
23:02
you have a screenshot?
23:03
xfce4 esta bien cierto?
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23:04
<Mathesis>
vagrantc: ping
23:05
http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/screenshot/soho4.0-icewm-rox.jpg&imgrefurl=http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/screenshot/&h=225&w=300&sz=19&hl=es&start=1&tbnid=jmeCYhndYFt2gM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dicewm%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Des%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
23:05
<vagrantc>
xfce4 o icewm por sistemas con memoria minimo
23:05
<Mathesis>
oh my got excuseme
23:06
icewm its nice
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23:07
<Mathesis>
vagrantc: its fine icewm 4 for my brother
23:07
icewm its in repos debian?
23:07
<vagrantc>
si
23:08
<Mathesis>
aptitude install icewm *
23:10
vagrantc: as ltsp is your record when installing
23:11
<vagrantc>
Mathesis: ?
23:11
<Mathesis>
hat display to manager uses icewm
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that display to manager uses icewm
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gdm,kdm,xdm?
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or entrance?
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<vagrantc>
es possible.
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<vagrantc>
pero, usar "ldm" ... by default
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: hi
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<Mathesis>
oks vagrantc
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vagrantc: i have de window manager
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que packages instalo en etch fot ltsp?
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<vagrantc>
ltsp-server o ltsp-server-standalone
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Mathesis: tiene un server de DHCP ?
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<Mathesis>
*for ltsp
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no vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
ltsp-server-standalone
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<Mathesis>
incluye dhcp ?
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<vagrantc>
yes
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<Mathesis>
thanks vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
para descargando?
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<Mathesis>
yes
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<vagrantc>
hablamos en espanglies :)
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<Mathesis>
spanglish
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<jammcq>
spanglish ?
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:)
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<Mathesis>
:D
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<vagrantc>
si.
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<jammcq>
sim
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<Mathesis>
i am learning with you
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yes
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<vagrantc>
yo necesito practicar mas :)
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<Mathesis>
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es muy facil
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<vagrantc>
i got a freind of mine in venezuela to translate the ltsp gettext and debconf stuff, but it's *still* stuck in peer review.
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mañana
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they said ... on november 23rd
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