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Channel log from 29 March 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 07:42 | <vvinet> good morning
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| 07:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'm trying to figure out how to get all the open office variations (word processor, spreadsheet, etc...) to be known by the server/client as localapps. Right now, I have "ooffice" under LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, but it's not creating an xprop command for OOo.
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| 07:45 | I have realized that instead of separate office executables, openoffice is opened by the same executable along with an option (i.e. -calc, -write, etc...) is anybody familiar with getting the menu items working?
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: are you looking for the "normal" way, i.e. by opening them from the gnome menus, or are you looking for something special, e.g. a command line way?
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| 07:49 | Because for the "normal" way you just need to enable the local apps menu, you don't need to speficy any items...
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| 07:49 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 08:28 | <highvoltage> hey alkisg
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> Hi highvoltage
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| 08:28 | <highvoltage> alkisg: since you're always on top of things, have you tested ltsp installation with the new ldm-server package and have you had it hang on installation again?
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| 08:29 | alkisg: mine still does and I have the newest package, which is weird.
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> highvoltage: no, this week I'm programming an inetd-based bash server & a bash client to remote control ltsp clients, so I haven't tried anything new
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| 08:30 | <highvoltage> alkisg: sounds like fun :)
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> highvoltage: if it succeeds, I'll have no more use for italc, tcm, controlaula etc :)
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| 08:31 | * alkisg is able to send text commands and receive text output both on thin + fat clients, and is working on getting binary data e.g. for screenshots.. | |
| 08:31 | <alkisg> highvoltage: but do comment your experience on the bug report...
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| 08:36 | <highvoltage> alkisg: yep! will try out. do you implement ssl as well?
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> highvoltage: no, it's working over the existing ssh connection
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| 08:36 | So no need for authorization / encryption or whatever
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| 08:36 | (that's for fat clients)
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| 08:36 | <highvoltage> alkisg: ah ok
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> For thin clients, it's working directly on the server, so again no encryption is necessary
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| 08:37 | ..and as a side-effect, I get automatic notifications of when clients boot / users logon / logoff etc...
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| 08:37 | The client is just a bash script, so it can run in 64mb as well.
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| 08:38 | <highvoltage> alkisg: nice
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| 08:39 | alkisg: do you plan to make it something that could be included by default in ltsp one day?
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> I'm trying to, e.g. I put lts.conf variables for clients that one might not want to control etc,
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| 08:40 | but for Lucid it's just going to be part of my "sch-scripts" project, which due to time constrains is greek only,
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| 08:40 | ...but I'd like to internationalize it in the summer, if any native english speaker is interested on proofreading it
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| 08:52 | Yey! Binary transfers working :)
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| 08:52 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 09:03 | <litlebuda> hi all I am trying to enable nbdswap on ubuntu 9.10 but i cant find /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf should I instead edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> litlebuda: no, you need to create lts.conf
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| 09:10 | <litlebuda> ok thanks alkisg
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| 09:10 | will try it out
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> highvoltage, and anyone else that might be interested: I have two scripts ready, `sch-server` which runs from inetd on the ltsp server, and `sch-client` which runs both on the thin client as root and on the user session from /etc/xdg/autostart.
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| 09:46 | Now I'm creating the third and final script, `sch-send`, which will be used by the sysadmin to send commands to the clients and/or users, and I'd like some feedback on what its parameters should be.
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| 09:46 | I'm thinking: sch-send [-h] hostname | [-u] username | [-i] ip | [-m] mac-address command [params]
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| 09:46 | E.g. `sch-send ltsp123 poweroff`, or `sch-send ltsp123 firefox`.
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| 09:46 | The problem is that `poweroff` should be executed by the root sch-client (daemon), while `firefox` should be executed by the user sch-client.
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| 09:46 | So in order for that simple syntax to work, I'd need to list some specific commands (get-client-info, poweroff, reboot), to be executed by root, while all the others by the user sch-client. Is that acceptable? Any other commands that you'd need to run as roots on the clients?
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| 09:49 | (and alternative would for an additional [-r] parameter that would specify that the command should be executed by the root daemon)
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| 10:47 | <reynolds> can anyone help me get video running on my clients? whenever I play a video It displays black. I have VLC installed in the chroot.
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| 10:58 | <abeehc> could have something to do with the client video card
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| 10:58 | vlc can be pretty verbose if run in terminal with like -vv
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> Yey! bash tcp sockets can transfer files from the client session (=localhost) to the server at 14 Mbyte/sec in my laptop!
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| 12:14 | <moldy> alkisg: nice :)
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| 12:15 | alkisg: i would prefer the extra switch solution, i think
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> moldy: thanks, another teacher told me the same, so I'll implement that.
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| 12:16 | So far it seems stable; I transfered a whole .iso without problems
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| 12:17 | I think I'll have the framework ready in 2-3 days, so if anyone wants to package it separately from sch-scripts, it'll be very nice
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| 12:58 | <moldy> alkisg: nice. i will take a look as soon as i find the time to
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| 13:01 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 13:06 | <Lns> daddy!
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| 13:06 | * Lns hugs jammcq | |
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| 13:28 | <vaix> is there CentOS integration on LTSP server side? Are there any best practices/concerns around using mixed distros? All our linxu servers today are CentOS. We have several stand-alone workstations running ubuntu
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| 13:29 | <Appiah> should be no concerns regards different dists..
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| 13:30 | K12Linux = LTSP on Centos I think
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| 13:31 | <vaix> Appiah: thanks.
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| 13:31 | LTSP work in combo w/ LVS - so I can have an HA/DR config for LTSP?
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| 13:31 | <Appiah> I dont know what LVS is
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| 13:31 | and HA/DR either
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| 13:32 | <vaix> LVS = linux virtual server. HA = High Availability, DR = Disaster Recovery
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| 13:32 | <Appiah> LVS , yes
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| 13:32 | HA/DR Well there is ltsp-cluster
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| 13:32 | check that out and how you can put that togheter with your HA config today
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| 13:33 | <vaix> thanks - will look there
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| 15:02 | <vaix> perhaps I am dense... but is there a way to get LTSP w/out using the ISO ditributions? Can I download the source and compile/configure directly? Are RPM/deb files available?
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> What .iso distributions?
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> E.g. in ubuntu you can get it with apt-get install ltsp-server, or apt-get source ltsp-server if you want the source, or aptitude download ltsp-server if you want the .deb...
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> vaix: yes, you can install debian, ubuntu or fedora and then install the ltsp-server packages and then use ltsp-build-client to build the ltsp environment
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> vagrantc: does debian support tcp sockets in bash? E.g. exec 3<>/dev/tcp/localhost/22 ?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think i played with that back in 2001...
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| 15:06 | so i'm guessing so
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I got 3 scripts almost ready, 2 in bash and one in python, to send commands to ltsp clients
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| 15:07 | They reuse the ssh channel to transfer the commands
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| 15:07 | Do you think they'd belong upstream, given enough care of course?
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| 15:08 | The server script uses openbsd-inet + bash
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| 15:08 | The client script only bash ==> works in 64 MB ram clients,
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> possibly...
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> and the command-send script python, so that it can be used as a module
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| 15:09 | Right now I'm tailoring them to my needs, but if there's a possibility to get them upstream, maybe I should give them more generic names... (e.g. now I'm calling them sch-server, sch-client and sch-send...)
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| 15:10 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sch-devs/sch-scripts/trunk/revision/109
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and what sorts of things are you planning on doing with them that couldn't be done easily before?
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: in /var/run/sch-server/* I have a list of sockets with mac/ip/user/host, so I can easily detect which user/host is on
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> oooh.
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> I can send a poweroff to the clients or run cron jobs on them from the server
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| 15:11 | (no authentication needed)
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| 15:11 | I can send commands to the user sessions, be it on thin or fat clients
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> a restricted (or restrictable) set of commands?
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> E.g. "sch-send user123 firefox"
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> sounds pretty cool.
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> The root commands are restricted currently
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| 15:12 | (to poweroff, reboot, exit and sch-info)
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| 15:12 | The user commands are not restricted on purpose
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| 15:12 | The root commands are unencrypted, but they're using reverse connections, so they cannot be easily exploited
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| 15:12 | The user commands use the ssh channel, so they're encrypted
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> unencrrypted?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> poweroff/reboot => do they need encryption?
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> just curious how you implement them unencrypted if the communication channel is already encrypted
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> There are 2 daemons per terminal, one that runs as root (always), and one that runs inside the user session
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| 15:13 | The one that runs as root is executed before ldm starts
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| 15:14 | So it connects to server:9570 on an unencrypted channel
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> The other one is using ssh port forwarding, so it uses encryption
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> got it
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> sounds like a system bus and a session bus
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> (and connects to the same port)
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> Each connection is only using one bash on the clients, so it needs minimum ram
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| 15:15 | And I've already started implementing some lts.conf options for not starting some of them...
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| 15:15 | (e.g. we might not want to run them in some hosts)
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| 15:16 | If you guys are interested, I should change the names to more generic ones, get rid of the sch-* prefix
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| 15:16 | ...and we'll see in the future if it's worth to be put upstream.
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| 15:17 | Gadi, right, nice metaphor :)
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> just something I was doodling on the side of my notebook while the professor waas teaching ;)
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| 15:20 | * Gadi cheers alkisg on - and hopes he doesn't get sidetracked from this effort when people start talking about tubes and dbus over ssh and unicrons and all the other "correct" approaches to things | |
| 15:20 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:20 | *unicorns
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Gadi, I've wasted 2 weeks on those :)
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> the one true cron
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> ...and another one on twisted :)
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> twisted?
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| 15:20 | * vagrantc cringes | |
| 15:21 | <alkisg> BASH_ROCKS!
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> Linux is a bizarre beast aint it? I mean what other OS can you have a twisted gimp talking to an oaf through a tube on dbus?
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| 15:21 | honestly
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> it just sounds ridiculous
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> next hackfefst, we should play illuminati
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> I'm waiting to sweep the nation with a project called Poopie
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: speaking of hackfests, you register for debconf10?
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> I have not
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i spent 6 hours writing up a debian/copyright file for gPXE ... probably roughly 30-40% done.
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Yey!
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| 15:24 | * Gadi has been in a cave under a rock for two weeks | |
| 15:24 | <vagrantc> it's brutal
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| 15:25 | Gadi: well, you know, i *Expect* you to be there. :P
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> hehe - can you email me the info?
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| 15:25 | I will never remember to do it otherwise
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| 15:25 | * alkisg hopes he'll have gpxe as a boot option in debian/ubuntu cds pretty soon... :) | |
| 15:25 | <Gadi> I am rushing today to get everything I need done before the holiday
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| 15:25 | then, its back under a rock for me...
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| 15:25 | :P
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> ah, rocks.
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| 15:31 | <dba> .oO(speaking about rocks.. vagrantc rocks too :)
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| 15:33 | <vbundi> hey is Stephane's PPA meant to be used for both the chroot and the ltsp server?
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| 15:33 | <vaix> is v5.199+ development public? It looks like the sourceforge repository only has 4.x product?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> vbundi: yes, if you're gonna use it, use it on both
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| 15:34 | !ltsp-source
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| 15:34 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "ltsp-source" :: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> vaix: ^^^
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| 15:34 | <vaix> tnx
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| 15:34 | <vbundi> alright, thanks
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> vaix: ltsp 5.x is very different than ltsp 4.x, in the sense that you don't compile or download anything other than standard distribution packages now.
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 15:35 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> vaix: ^^^
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> unless you're looking to port it to a new linux distro, just downloading the source isn't probably very usefull.
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| 15:36 | !ldm-source
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| 15:36 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ldm-source" :: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/files
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 15:36 | <vaix> I was very motivated a few hours ago to run this on CentOS.... but the more i read - it seems like rolling-my-own is bordering on lunacy and I should use a pre-supported distro...
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| 15:36 | * alkisg did a throughout job on factoids ;) | |
| 15:37 | <jammcq> vaix: or convince a Redhat or Centos developer to get involved
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| 15:37 | <vaix> jammcq: haha - if i had that pull i would. As is - be better spending my time doing the port myself then trying to convince ppl!
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| 15:42 | <vbundi> after looking at both my amd64 and i386 chroot... I see that my /etc/apt/sources.list files are quite different... my i386 one is only 3 lines...
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| 15:43 | is the amd64 one a mirror of the local system vs i386 which is generated?
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> depends on how it was created
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| 15:44 | there's an option that copies the sources.list file from the server into the chroot
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| 15:45 | <vbundi> well unless it is default when running the install from the alternate CD, I didn't choose any option afaik
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> probably is a different default
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| 15:46 | but not knowing ubuntu too well, i can't say for sure.
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| 15:49 | <Lns> alkisg, I am also behind you 100% with what you're doing, I'm really happy this kind of functionality is starting to see the light of day... it's going to be a real killer feature of ltsp deployments
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| 15:49 | kind of makes ltsp terminals more 'lucid' (no pun intended)
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Thank you Lns... now I'm only missing some good program/variable names :D
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| 15:49 | <vbundi> when updating my chroot... is the procedure, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade; ltsp-update-image --arch i386 ?
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| 15:50 | <Lns> alkisg: i can help with that if you want =)
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Lns, ok, I got "sch-server", "sch-client" and "sch-send" the one that is used to send the commands
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| 15:51 | <Lns> sch = ?
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> ...and I probably need to ditch the sch- in front... (school)
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| 15:52 | <Lns> ah
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> (the greek schools domain is sch.gr)
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| 15:52 | <Lns> yeah, I dunno, my personal perspective is that ltsp != schools so we should keep that separate
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Sure, if it is to go upstream sometime, it'll need something with ltsp* in front
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| 15:52 | <Lns> The basic idea of the programs are to gain control of terminals from the server/admin workstation, no?
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:53 | <Lns> well, one name i had for my little project that went nowhere was "LNS" (yeah i know =p) but it stood for 'lucid node system'
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| 15:53 | kind of a strange name but i dunno, it does make the 'nodes' more 'lucid'
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 15:54 | <Lns> I really liked "ltsp-manager" from ogra a while back
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| 15:54 | and it obviously doesn't leave anything to question about its functionality
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| 15:54 | <Lns> lol, speak of the devil
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Hmmm that sounds good
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| 15:55 | ogra_cmpc: could we reuse the "ltsp-manager" name for a different, but similar project?
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