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Channel log from 20 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<cryptom>
hi all, I set up an ubuntu ltsp server and built the client. When the client boots, I get: "/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off"
01:27
when I press ctrl-alt-f1 I see:
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mount: ltsp-server-ip: failed, reason given by server : Permission denied
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mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor
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<vagrantc>
grep ltsp /etc/exports
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ps aux | egrep nfs
01:34
cryptom: can you mount the nfs share locally?
01:35
cryptom: sudo mount /opt/ltsp/ /mnt
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<cryptom>
vagrantc, seems as I've found the solution:
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<vagrantc>
cryptom: on the server, that is.
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<cryptom>
I've only specified the filename on the dhcp server
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<vagrantc>
ah, yes. that will do it.
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<cryptom>
now I also added the root path
01:41
a different question: now kde is up on the client (or at least kdm), but it complains about the dcopserver and about not being able to write files (not writeable), but the only path in /etc/exports was added automatically and is marked as read-only
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<vagrantc>
cryptom: yes, the root filesystem for the thin-client should be read-only. but usually you log into the server, where the user's home directory is writeable.
01:42
<cryptom>
sure, but the message appears before login
01:43
<vagrantc>
cryptom: have you done any customizations to your ltsp environment?
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<cryptom>
no, I installed the ltsp packages (for ubuntu) and built the client.
01:44
<vagrantc>
the default should run ldm, which should present you with a login screen.
01:44
<cryptom>
well, yes, after that, i chrooted to the client and installed kubuntu-desktop
01:44
thats all
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<vagrantc>
that'll do it.
01:45
you should just install kubuntu-desktop on the server.
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<cryptom>
how do you mean? without chroot?
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<vagrantc>
yes.
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<cryptom>
why? I dont want kde on the server, but on the client
01:46
I chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386
01:46
on the server
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<vagrantc>
well, the users do not log into the client, they log into the server.
01:46
the client only runs X and ldm, which then logs the user in to the server.
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<cryptom>
hmm, right
01:47
I see.
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<vagrantc>
all the programs actually run on the application server, and merely display to your thin-clients.
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<cryptom>
so, any change I want to make to the environment, I need to make directly on the server (not chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386)?
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<vagrantc>
yes.
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<cryptom>
programs to install, etc.
01:48
<vagrantc>
for the most part.
01:48
in general, yes.
01:48
<cryptom>
and "not in general" ;-)
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<vagrantc>
if you have really powerful thin-clients, you could go through the trouble to do a customized /opt/ltsp/i386 that runs all the applications on the thin-client itself, but that takes a lot of customization.
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<cryptom>
ok, for a first step, I dont do anything on /opt/ltsp/i386
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<vagrantc>
right. :)
01:50
<cryptom>
and I rebuild the client (rm i386)
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<vagrantc>
that's the simplest, easiest, most tested configuration.
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<cryptom>
and install kubuntu-dekstop directly on the server
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thanks
01:51
<vagrantc>
and if we ever see ogra again, he's the main ltsp guy for ubuntu.
01:52* vagrantc waves to ogra
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<cryptom>
so, now I've installed kubuntu-desktop on the server. But the client does not show kdm (and does not have - unlike the server - swiss german keyboard layout). How do I change that?
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<kukikuki>
hi all
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<kihai>
Hi! Don't know if my question is in the right place here. I'm using LTSP 5.0 (Edubuntu Edgy) and having troubles when users log off from their ltsp session. Sometimes gdm crashes and the client has to be rebooted. Is there a solution to this?
05:37
...I meant ldm...
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<cliebow>
kihai:keep an eye out for ogra..he may help
05:44* cliebow cliebow waves to ogra and vagrantc
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<kihai>
Just found ogra on the edubuntu channel.... :)
06:00* ogra waves to cliebow
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<cliebow>
8`)
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ogra: i did simplify disableduser check at login by simply ldapsearch for [dUX] in sambaAcctFlags...seems to work jst fine
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<ogra>
cool
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<cliebow>
nobrainer really..now to add temporary enable any teacher can use based on a time limit
06:19
perhaps a sleep
06:19
perhaps a cron job every 5 min utes
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<ogra>
for 5 min jobs cron seems more appropriate
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<cliebow>
ill give her a whirl
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<kukikuki>
how can i get ssh fingerprint from station but without any login
07:52
i mean i dont want to make ssh connection only get fingerprint saved into known_host
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow_>
Scottie!!!
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<EDinNY>
does JAM still hang out here?
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<neuralis>
EDinNY: yes.
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<EDinNY>
thanks
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<cryptom>
Hi all, I would like to change the language/keyboard layout for the ldm login screen (from english to swiss german). On the server directly its ok, but not on the client.
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How can I achieve that?
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<ogra>
cryptom, add an lts.conf file...
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<cryptom>
ogra, ok, thanks. Is there a manpage or website describing the structure and parameters?
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<ogra>
ltsp 4.2 or the ubuntu ersion ?
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*version
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<cryptom>
ubuntu version (edgy)
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<ogra>
cool
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<cryptom>
yes, indeed
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<ogra>
edgy has /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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there is also an example file in that dir
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<cryptom>
I really like it, but I dont think my students like english keyboard layout ;-)
10:30
ok, thanks
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<ogra>
the net release wil automatically use the servers keymap ...
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*will
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<cryptom>
ok
10:31
"next release" means 7.04? or will it be available in egdy?
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<ogra>
7.04 ... but likely something to be backported if the code changes are not to dramatically big
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<cryptom>
ok
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<vagrantc>
ogra: good to see you in action again :)
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<cryptom>
and this file (lts.conf) has to be placed in the servers' /etc?
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<vagrantc>
lts.conf goes in the chroot
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<ogra>
vagrantc, well, vegetating through my jetlag ... (returned yesterday afternoon)
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cryptom, in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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<cryptom>
ok, thanks
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<kukikuki>
how can i get ssh fingerprint from station but without any login
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how can i get ssh fingerprint from station but without any login
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i mean i dont want to make ssh connection only get fingerprint saved into known_host
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<vagrantc>
kukikuki: ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no
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kukikuki: well, that will at least disable the prompt- it will automatically add the key to your keyring.
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<vagrantc>
er, not keyring... known_hosts
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<knitoperu>
hi to everibody!
10:59
My etherboot workstations are not booting from my k12ltsp server
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I can boot from pxe... but not from etherboot
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somebody knows how to troubleshoot this?
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<sbalneav>
What does your dhcpd.conf file look like? Maybe paste it to pastebin.ca so we can have a look.
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<knitoperu>
It seems ok... I wil paste it
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<knitoperu>
but I have just found a "maybe" in google
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<efra>
Hi everybody
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<knitoperu>
I will tkae that path before bore the gurus
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:)
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<mascote>
boa tarde
12:13
alguém aqui já instalou o LTSP 4.2 em um Red Hat Enterprise ?
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<mascote>
Estou com problemas para acessar o floppy na máquina cliente! Uso Red Hat Enterprise. Alguém pode me ajudar?
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<McPolo>
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<mascote>
Good afternoon
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<vagrantc>
mascote: you are trying to use a floppy with an ltsp client?
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<mascote>
Is there anyone who uses LTSP 4.2 with Red Hat Enterprise 4?
12:19
vagrantc: yes
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<McPolo>
Nope, but does distribution matter?
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<vagrantc>
McPolo: sometimes...
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<mascote>
vgrantc: I use Red Hat Enterprise and its don't have fuse !
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<vagrantc>
ah!
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!localdev
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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<vagrantc>
!checklist
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<vagrantc>
mascote: those links might be helpful.
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<mascote>
vagrantc: thank you
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vagrantc: I've already read the LTSP-42-LocalDev, but the Red Hat Enterprise 4.0 don't have any .rpm for fuse !!!
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<McPolo>
Compile it for yourself?
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<vagrantc>
mascote: like McPolo says, you'll need to compile it yourself...
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<mascote>
vagrantc: yes! I going to do this!
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McPolo: thank you.
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I am going to: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/
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Is it correct ?
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<McPolo>
mascote: It is.
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<mascote>
thankyou
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<toma>
Hi, a quick question: I have a p166 as a ltsp-client but it's too slow to handle rapid xinput-events ( mouse, or in my case wacom tablet ). Can anything be done to improve the performance or is this just because of my old client or because of the client-server lag?
12:58
Otherwise it's really nice :)
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<jammcq>
I use a thin client all day, and don't have a speed problem
12:58
my client is a 733Mhz transmeta chip tho
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with 100Mbit/sec network
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<toma>
Got a 100M net here too
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<cliebow_>
my most tolerant are p133 with 32 meg..not laggy at all
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with 100 meg nic
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<toma>
Could you test it? Launch gimp and do brush strokes with your mouse pretty fast, about the same speed you'd use your pen. Does it drop/lose strokes?
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<vagrantc>
toma: what distro?
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<cliebow_>
hmm..lemme try it with mt pos mac using vesa
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<vagrantc>
if it's using ldm, the ssh connection can be pretty harsh on slower machines.
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<toma>
vagrantc: gentoo :P
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<vagrantc>
probably not, then.
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<toma>
so it uses ssh?
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<vagrantc>
not with ltsp 4.2 ... but if you were using ubuntu or debian etch, the default is to use an ssh connection.
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<toma>
I tried to use ssh-remote with knoppix before and I saw that ssh ate about 50% of the cpu of the client with blowfish
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<cliebow_>
toma: it is a weentsy bit laggy on a mac
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<toma>
hmmh
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<toma>
Btw, does the system use the network connection for something the whole time? Since I saw that even if the client was idling the nic-light kept going on and off
13:10
Or could it mean that something is wrong and that's causing the lag
13:21
Oh well... I must've screwed up something if it works fast for you guys. Gotta get back to it, thanks :)
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<vykarian>
hey guys..
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does somebody know how to change de setfont using ltsp?
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at a regular distro I just use the command setfont code and that works.. but using ltsp i'm not able to do that
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<psycodad>
is there a way to let a diskless client have 2 sessions to 2 different xdmcp servers ? i mean like an -server x.x.x.x argument to startx ?
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<sbalneav>
psycodad, don't know off the top of my head.. let me check...
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<psycodad>
hi scott, i read sth about XF_ARGS in startx which sounds interesting..
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maybe sth like XF_ARGS="-query ot.th.er.ip" ?
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<sbalneav>
No, that won't work, because it will oeverride the first one as well.
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Hmmm, unless I'm missing something, no, it won't support that.
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jammcq: ping, know if we support having more than one XDMCP session to different servers? I'm thinking no.
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<psycodad>
yep, right... it looks not too hard to rewrite startx so that it takes an argument like ip
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meant to your first statement after mine
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<sbalneav>
yeah, if you need to, just hack up the startx screen script to meet your needs.
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<psycodad>
sure, i just wanted to make sure i go the proper way..so no interest in a proper patch to a) take an optional ip as argument b) fall back to the usual mechanisms ?
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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vagrantc_: you here?
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<vagrantc_>
Gadi: sure am.
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<Gadi>
hey - I am messing around with edgy's muekow - and only admin user can log in
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help a newbie out ;)
14:15
are there special perms that regular users need ?
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ie users created with adduser
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<vagrantc_>
loggin in through ldm?
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<Gadi>
yup
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<laprag>
Gadi: You must have really messed that up, newbie that you are ;) Honestly, I have not had a problem with that, no special perms.
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<Gadi>
I must've
14:18* vagrantc_ wouldn't think it would require anything special
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<Gadi>
all I did was ltsp-build-client
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;)
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<laprag>
hmmm, ltsp-server-standalone installed so you have all you need?
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<Gadi>
laprag: ldm.log waas complaining about not being able to xauth the .Xauthority or some such
14:19
yeah
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the regular users dont need to do anything silly like login locally first to create a .Xauthority file?
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that wouldnt make sense
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<laprag>
not that I have seen
14:20
is there such a file in the ~ ?
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<vagrantc_>
unless ogra removed it, the Xauthority file gets created in /tmp/RANDOMFILENAME
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on the thin-client
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<Gadi>
hmm... the error was (for user romm) about /home/romm/.Xauthority
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its a strange new world of troubleshooting ....
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:)
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<laprag>
hehe
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I still haven't gotten around to fixing my vmware after upgrading the laptop, so I can't look just now in my own installation. Sorry.
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<vagrantc_>
Gadi: have you added a user to the thin-client ?
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<Gadi>
np
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?
14:27
since when do I add users to a thin client?
14:27
I add them to the server
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<vagrantc_>
ldm runs on the terminal... so it seems weird to see messages about "/home/romm/.Xauthority" ...
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<Gadi>
thats what Im thinkin ;)
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<vagrantc_>
though i guess it might logg stuff that ssh spits out
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<Gadi>
yeah
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Im gonna put on my monkey mask and start bangin away at this
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brb
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<daniQ>
cliebow?
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<toma>
Hi again. I thought that I might as well test the ltsp-system with a bit more powerful client... so I used a duron 1GHz and with that it seems to work without any lag.
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Do you use custom kernels compiled for the clients or?
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<vagrantc_>
Gadi: i would try and ssh -X to the server from a regular linux machine and see if you get the same error.
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<Gadi>
heh, nm - turns out this system has issues besides - upon further investigation it has not been dist-upgraded fully
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<psycodad>
sbalneav: multiple sessions work easily like
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SCREEN_01 = startx -query a.b.c.d
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SCREEN_02 = startx -query w.x.y.z
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<sbalneav>
There you go.
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<psycodad>
may i add that to the wiki for others that might look for it ?
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<sbalneav>
psycodad: sure, that's what the wiki's for :)
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<psycodad>
yup, done in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ScreenScripts
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<muh2000>
one user that i use for terminal takes very long to log off. another users logs off just fine. i think that is related: QUERY_LOGOUT_ACTION declined or somthing in syslog
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<knitoperu>
Hi Everibody
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my etherboot workstations are not booting in my k12ltsp server... pxe ones boots normaly
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etherboot ones doesn't stop to say me 1000 AX:0211 Bx:000 Cx:00002 dx:0000
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<Gadi>
knitoperu: you may need a new rom-o-matic image
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or bad floppy
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<knitoperu>
I'm trying with new diskette and new floppy drive too
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bad diskette es the only option isn'it?
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<knitoperu>
I'am thinking in a eprom boot... do you know wich eprom burner is the right option?
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what must I look to be sure that is the right eprom burner?
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<Gadi>
knitoperu: what image are you using on the diskette?
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<cliebow>
moquist: if you use readdir how do you bitbucket . and ..
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<cliebow>
J45p3r: how did it go today/
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<moquist>
cliebow: how do I "bitbucket"?
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<kwak>
anybody from K12? anyone had success adding gnomemenus in ICEWM?
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<cliebow>
moquist: like throw away unwanted?
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if i fill an array from the results of a readdir...i get do dotdot and then a list of files within a directory
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if i fill an array from the results of a readdir...i get dott dotdot and then a list of files within a directory
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Balls!
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<knitoperu>
hi Everibody
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I have a philosophical doubt
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I need to run autocad in some workstations of my k12ltsp netwrok
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I'm thinking in run vmware sessions and autocad inside them
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1) Which video card gives the resolution Client one (obviusly), Server one or both of them?
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2) I need a lot of ram in server... I'm thinking in icewm desktops... Then I will need at leasr 256Mb + 50Mb for each workstation? or I need 256 + 256 for each workstation (for the vmware session)
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3) Is there a way to boot the client and automatically run vmplayer?
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somebody knows how that thin clients works with graphical aplications? that It makes troubles?
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<kwak>
what distro are you using.
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knitoperu?
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<knitoperu>
kwak, I'm using k12ltsp
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anybody has tryed vmplayer in ltsp?
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<moquist>
ogra: ping
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cliebow: ah, I didn't read the entire question the first time. Now I get it.
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cliebow: in summary, I don't worry about it.
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I haven't seen . and .. in there, though. Hmm.
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<kwak>
knitoperu: i think if you use vmplayer with ltsp, it will be really slow. unless you have few users with a fat server
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<knitoperu>
kwak: are you there?
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<kwak>
yes. having class right now
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