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Channel log from 13 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<lns>
I know, I know. ;)
00:03
So what do you say to the fact that the server serves the xserver to the thin client? Wouldn't that supersede any implications of the client being able to serve *anything* without the server? So...it's like... there and stuff.
00:04
btw, search for "ltsp" on youtube and find "Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia". Gross.
00:04
<sbalneav>
Why gross?
00:06
<lns>
I dunno, just crossing religion and Linux creeps me out.
00:06
gives me the "tux is gonna sing bible hymns to you" creeps. ;)
00:08
<rafaelfeito>
well, thanks(besides i'm a bit confusing with all this: I'll study more) ... and good night
00:08
<lns>
good night rafaelfeito
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00:14
<lns>
besides, we all know this: http://www.venturecake.com/ubuntu-now-bigger-than-jesus/ =p
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00:37
<lns>
You guys think Ubuntu/other packaged LTSP distros will ever have their 'ltspadmin' program back? That was kind of a cool program, I've always loved curses for that kind of monitoring
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<vagrantc_>
lns: something like that is definitely on the TODO list
00:46
<lns>
vagrantc, =) right on
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00:46
<vagrantc_>
until recently, LTSP5 has still basically been catching up to LTSP 4, feature-wise
00:46
<lns>
I could totally see a NOC with a bunch of projectors/large LCDs on the wall cycling through SSH sessions w/ltspadmin running on them all
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00:48
<vagrantc_>
still missing localapps and something like ltspadmin ... and maybe serial printer support
00:50
<lns>
ooo, the POS market would love you for that
00:50
Is Canonical a publicly traded company?
00:51
<vagrantc_>
ironically, localapps are easier to support in LTSP5 than LTSP4
00:51
at least, in theory... since anything built for your host distro can run on the thin client
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<thermoman>
moin
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04:56
<Penberthy>
hey can anyone tell me if the HP Compaq t5135 using HP ThinConnect will work with LTSP
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06:05
<Shingoshi>
For those of you who like dark themes, I have created one for Mozillazine: http://userstyles.org/styles/3400
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07:59
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:00
<Q-FUNK>
'morning Scott!
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08:03
<ogra>
!s
08:03
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:25
<Ryudo>
sablneav :D
08:25
sbalneav :D
08:26
<bengoa>
!s
08:26
<ltspbot`>
bengoa: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:00
<jammcq>
g'morning all
09:02
<elisboa>
morning
09:03
nearly afternoon here
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09:05
<cyberorg>
moin jammcq
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09:16
<AvengerX>
Hello, anyone ever made a US-International keyboard actually work with deadkeys on LTSP Xorg terminals?
09:18
Deadkeys worked on abnt2 layout (XKBModel abnt2, XKBLayout br), but not with XKBModel pc104 XKBLayout us_intl as it was supposed to work
09:18
<elisboa>
AvengerX: have you tried pc105?
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09:20
<AvengerX>
elisboa: yes, same result
09:20
09:21
like I was choosing just 'us' layout
09:21
deadkeys work on abnt2 mapping though, but I cant just change all the keyboards :)
09:22
<elisboa>
That's very weird
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09:25
<AvengerX>
sorry, a stupid 'reboot' window just popped when I was typing spacebar :P
09:25
and default option was indeed 'yes, reboot now'
09:26
<ogra>
you could use http://www.igt-industries.com/overlays.html?gclid=CJeSqNLQwI4CFSNMZwodNXsX0g
09:26
:)
09:27
did you explicitly set "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ?
09:27
<AvengerX>
no, my idea is actually to -unset- this option
09:28
09:28
It is how deadkeys work on windows and I local X installations I suppose
09:30
lol, the keyboard keys 'renaming' is fun but I'm not sure it'll work on public labs :P
09:31
and even the keys disposition is kinda different from keyb to keyb, and also the deadkeys working is something which I expect to be 'already done' as it always worked with us-acentos keymap and is supposed to be supported via us_intl
09:31
<ogra>
yeah, ist surely one or the other hour of work for an extern to relabel a whole company :)
09:32
<AvengerX>
It it were a nodeadkeys xkbvariant set, the other layout (abnt2) wouldn't have deadkeys working as well -- but when I choose this other layout, deadkeys work just fine.
09:32
<ogra>
did you try with plain us keymap ?
09:32
<AvengerX>
yeah
09:32
<ogra>
hmm
09:33
weird
09:33
<AvengerX>
it works exactly like the us_intl, no deadkeys
09:33
I think I will have to try to know and rewrite the keymap symbols file
09:33
<ogra>
did you try different model variants ? i.e. from 101 on ?
09:33
<AvengerX>
yeah, tried that pc101 one
09:33
maybe these models don't have 'deadkeys' registered on them?
09:34
<ogra>
101 should afaik
09:34
<AvengerX>
hmmm it's worth a retry... already tried lotsa things maybe I missed the combination of pc101+us_intl :)
09:34
<ogra>
but then its very rare that i use us keyboards, so dont count on my word to much :)
09:35
<AvengerX>
as the abnt2 is a model and 'br' the layout, this model may be the problem
09:35
<ogra>
yeah
09:35
<AvengerX>
np... it seems no one ever fixed this before heh
09:35
at least according to google
09:36
Well, thanks for the help ogra... Gotta go now
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11:42
<joebob777as7>
hey ogra morning!
11:45
are we all prepped and set to go fusion!
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11:53
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: I submitted my patches to ogra today.
11:54
they consisted of removing the S15-prevent-compiz file. :)
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<joebob777as7>
lol sweet. ok well i'll try it then
12:02
well i mean running them i've already removed the file
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12:21
<sadams>
hi - i have a question re ltsp (edubuntu) - am i in the right place ?
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12:22
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, i know you don't really want to troubleshoot compiz.. but I was just wondering if you would know why gutsy compiz works perfect after fresh gutsy install but not in ltsp?
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12:24
<sadams>
i have posted a req for help on the ubuntu forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549995) if there is anyone here who can help me please let me know how i should proceed - thanks :-)
12:24
<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, i'm running it on my x60 tablet
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12:25
<ogra>
sadams, edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
12:25
sadams, set LOCALDEV=False in there
12:26
<sadams>
aha - many thanks - i missed that!
12:26
thx ogra :-)
12:26
<ogra>
sadams, alternatively you can leave it on and remove users from the fuse group
12:26
so you can enable it on a per user base
12:26
<sadams>
yes... nice too :-)
12:26
i will try both.. many thx for rapid response
12:27
<joebob777as7>
ogra, have any idea? i was asking in #compiz-fusion and they say i'm getting this because I don't have my graphics drivers installed. I thought they were installed by default if intel?
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<gvy>
halo!
12:31
<joebob777as7>
ogra?
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12:36
<joebob777as7>
ogra, sbalneav the guys at compiz-fusion are telling me that my xorg.conf is showing up as an nvidia card in my intel x60?
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12:58
<rafaelcardoso>
ltsp 5 have rdesktop setings like ltsp 4.2?
13:00
<vagrantc>
rafaelcardoso: which linux distro ?
13:00
<rafaelcardoso>
ubuntu
13:01
<vagrantc>
which release?
13:01
<rafaelcardoso>
7.04
13:02
<vagrantc>
seems like rdesktop wasn't added till after the feisty/7.04 release
13:02
relatively easy to add yourself, though.
13:03
<rafaelcardoso>
hmm, ltsp 4.2 its possible to mount usb pen drives?
13:03
<vagrantc>
!localdev
13:03
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
13:04
<rafaelcardoso>
tks
13:04
<white_n_azz>
I need a little help - any takers?
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<vagrantc>
white_n_azz: just ask your question, and someone will respond if they can help
13:06
<white_n_azz>
I am trying to get my first system connected and I get to the point where switchroot comes in and I am seeing 'nfs: server IP_ADDRESS not responding, still trying' 3 times
13:06
but I can mount the nfs on another system easily
13:06
<joebob777as7>
restart dhcp white_n_azz
13:06
<white_n_azz>
and I added the system to DNS so I know it's there but I also added it to the NFS server /etc/hosts just in case
13:07
<joebob777as7>
i've had a few issues that just needed a dhcp restart...
13:07
<white_n_azz>
and according to logs on nfs server, it's getting mounted
13:07
authenticated mount request from install1.tobyhouse.com:1003 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)
13:08
dhcpd is on another server and the system gets dhcpd instructions fine
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13:09
<white_n_azz>
ok restarted dhcpd and restarted workstation...same results
13:10
<joebob777as7>
well i'm out of ideas
13:10
<white_n_azz>
nfs/ltsp server is logging connection from workstation but workstation seems to stop the moment after it runs 'switchroot' (Freeing ram used by initramfs)
13:11
the issue is that I don't know what is supposed to happen next so I don't know where it's breaking down
13:12
<joebob777as7>
me neither i'm sorta new to all this. I know that I had build problems not everything was getting put in the image but if you have others working...
13:13
<white_n_azz>
I don't have others working...this is my first workstation
13:13
<ogra>
white_n_azz, what ltsp release and wich distros are involved ?
13:13
<joebob777as7>
hey ogra!
13:13
<white_n_azz>
4.2 and CentOS 5
13:13
<ogra>
joebob777as7, i bet your server has a nvdidia card then ;)
13:13
<joebob777as7>
yes it does
13:13
<ogra>
so you analyzed the servers config ;)
13:13
<joebob777as7>
uhh...
13:14
<white_n_azz>
me - servers config?
13:14
<ogra>
the client config is generated during client boot
13:14
white_n_azz, no
13:14
white_n_azz, sounds a bit like your chroot is broken ... swichtchroot runs init in the nfs mount which then shold run over the initscripts
13:15
<joebob777as7>
I looked at xorg.0.log actually i sent it over to they #compiz-fusion guys and they were baffled as I figured they would be... so what should i do ogra? my other thicks are going to be nvidia so should i just leave it?:
13:15
white_n_azz, rebuild client?
13:15
<ogra>
just enable compiz in gconf-editor ...
13:16
the script you deleted in your chroot has forced it to metacity
13:17
<joebob777as7>
i'm in the gconf editor how do i enable... sorry for my ltsp newbness
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<white_n_azz>
rebuild client?
13:18
<ogra>
joebob777as7, desktop/applications/window_manager or so
13:18
<joebob777as7>
ltsp-build-client white_n_azz I think that will fix it
13:18
<ogra>
white_n_azz, an ltsp5 term
13:18
joebob777as7, that was pretty different in 4.2 :)
13:18
no ltsp-build-client there
13:19
<joebob777as7>
oh ok
13:19
ogra, so do i change value from /usr/bin/metacity to /usr/bin/compiz for both current and default values?
13:20
<ogra>
yeah
13:20
not sure if you need to log out
13:21
<joebob777as7>
oh ok so this is the configuration for just this client? would this have defaulted to compiz if I had created the user after removing the file that blocked compiz?
13:21
<ogra>
its the config of this user
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<ogra>
if you create new users now that the script is gone the autoprober will just do its work
13:21
<white_n_azz>
if my workstation mounts /opt/ltsp/i386 as root, how would chroot ever be involved there?
13:22
<ogra>
if the card is capable to do composite it willl just work then
13:22
/opt/ltsp/i386 contains a chroot
13:23
<joebob777as7>
awesome i'm going to logout and log back in...
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<white_n_azz>
[root@srv2 ltsp]# ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/chroot
13:24
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Sep 11 15:08 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/chroot -> ../../bin/busybox
13:25
there is a chroot binary...
13:25
<ogra>
no
13:25
<joebob777as7>
ogra i'm still getting desktop effects could not be enabled? should i delete this user and recreate it?
13:26
<ogra>
joebob777as7, thats rather a matter of configuring X then, it should work as is
13:26
<joebob777as7>
hmm... well i went back to the gconf-editor and it changed it back...?
13:26
<white_n_azz>
ltspadmin setup automatically added this to /etc/exports - /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles which didn't exist so I added it manually and restarted nfs but it still didn't seem to make a difference
13:27
<ogra>
white_n_azz, a chroot is a mini os inside your filesystem ... you can use the chroot command to chroot into it
13:27
:)
13:27
/opt/ltsp/i386/ contains a complete system
13:27
<Ryudo>
sbalneav :D
13:27
<white_n_azz>
OK - why doesn't it just work?
13:27
<ogra>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ would get you inside this system as if you run it ...
13:27
<white_n_azz>
I get that - I've used chroot
13:27
<ogra>
white_n_azz, no idea, i dont know the 4.2 code ....
13:28
<Ryudo>
sbalneav did you can send me your slide shows ?
13:28
<white_n_azz>
OK - fair enough...should I abandon 4.2 code or go to the list?
13:28
<ogra>
well, you could first do some tests :)
13:28
try to mount the dir from another workstation in your lan for example
13:29
<white_n_azz>
I have
13:29
<ogra>
so that works ?
13:29
<white_n_azz>
from my desktop machine, I can mount srv2:/opt/ltsp/i386 no problem
13:29
also, this test workstation mounts it fine too according to longs on srv2
13:30
logs
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<joebob777as7>
ogra, i set them to /usr/bin/compiz but when i go to make them default with right click it tells me that I don't have perms to change it?
13:30
and that it will change them back
13:31
<ogra>
yeah, you cant set system defaults like that (and you shouldnt)
13:31
if you run it with gksudo it will allow you to do that, but really, you shouldnt ...
13:32
if the detector tells you that it cant enable it it doesnt lie :)
13:32
trust your software i it talks to you ;)
13:32
*if
13:33
try setting XSERVER=i810 in your lts.conf and try again
13:33
might be that the intel driver doesnt work for your card
13:33
<joebob777as7>
but I am running it perfect on the machine with default gutsy install...
13:33
<ogra>
(it defaults to that)
13:33
on the server with the nvidis card you mean
13:33
*nvidia
13:34
<joebob777as7>
no on that laptop with the intel card
13:34
works amazing
13:34
<ogra>
ah, you have a local install ?
13:34
<joebob777as7>
yes
13:34
<ogra>
get the xorg.conf file from there
13:34
<joebob777as7>
i'm just using it to test... ok I'll do that
13:35
<ogra>
copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf-x60
13:35
(on the server)
13:35
then run ltsp-update-image ...
13:35
<joebob777as7>
will this affect all systems?
13:35
<ogra>
add X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg.conf-x60 to your lts.conf
13:36
if you only want it for that machine, add a MAC address bades section for it to lts.conf
13:36
and move the X_CONF line below it
13:36
*based
13:36
<joebob777as7>
so [mac] then put the stuff below it?
13:37
<ogra>
right
13:37
<joebob777as7>
do i put colons in it or straight digits
13:37
<ogra>
you get the mach y runnng ifconfig on the installed system on the x60
13:37
colons
13:38
[00:13:90:00:1E:AB]
13:38
like that
13:38
you need the one for the wired interface, dont get the wrong one :)
13:39
<joebob777as7>
just a question why does it have to be like this when in gutsy it does it all on the automatically?
13:39
lol yeah
13:39
<ogra>
because it didnt use the right settings in xorg.conf
13:40
<joebob777as7>
can this be fixed for others bringing their system onto my network or am i going to have to do fresh installs to their laps and then do the same thing?
13:40
<Guaraldo>
ogra: Is there anyway to force AC97 audo module on LTSP?
13:40
audo = audio
13:40
<ogra>
its a ltsp X detection bug, can you pastebin your working xorg.conf somewhere ?
13:40
Guaraldo, there is the MODULE_00 parameter you can use i think
13:41
or MODULE_01 ... look it up in the docs :)
13:41
<joebob777as7>
ogra want me to paste my xorg? or Guaraldo ?
13:41
<ogra>
but in ltsp5 that should be autoloaded
13:41
<Guaraldo>
ogra: Do you know witch driver to put in this option?
13:41
<ogra>
joebob777as7, well, i'm talking about X with you and about sund with Guaraldo ... guess :)
13:42
Guaraldo, no idea probably snd_ac97_codec
13:42
<joebob777as7>
lol sry... quick question if i want to browse to my client's desktop to pick up my xorg from the server wouldn't it be in i386/home?
13:42
<ogra>
but that wont help if there is no HW driver below it
13:42* Guaraldo loves preemptive multiwork persons... :-D
13:42
<white_n_azz>
is there anyone online who can help me get LTSP 4.2 going?
13:43
<joebob777as7>
white_n_azz, why aren't you using v5?
13:43
<ogra>
white_n_azz, have you specified SERVER in lts.conf ? if not, try that
13:43
<white_n_azz>
I didn't see much in terms of help for v5
13:43
<ogra>
joebob777as7, redhat based distros still have no ltsp5
13:43
<joebob777as7>
oh ok
13:43
<ogra>
and he is using centos
13:44
<white_n_azz>
server is listed in lts.conf
13:45
<ogra>
white_n_azz, support for recent HW, autofconfiguration, autosetup, secure X forwarding ... regular security updates
13:45
i'd think that are pretty good reasons for ltsp5 ... beyond there was no development in 4.2 since 2 years (and wont be)
13:46
<white_n_azz>
I am doing this all as proof of concept and would have the ability to use any OS for whatever server I buy
13:46
<joebob777as7>
nm ogra i'm a dork i found xorg.conf on thin's desktop here is paste: http://pastebin.ca/696120
13:46
<white_n_azz>
but I am trying to see if I can get Macintosh iMacs netbooting
13:46
<ogra>
joebob777as7, no, i want the one from the locally instealled system where compiz works :)
13:47
<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: Are you having trouble? With compiz? On a terminal?
13:47
<white_n_azz>
but before I fool with the iMacs (which will present their own problems), I am using Windows box
13:47
<sbalneav>
Sorry, was away for lunch
13:48
<white_n_azz>
anyway...SERVER is configured in lts.conf
13:48
<ogra>
sbalneav, seems the xorg.conf is missing anything
13:48
<sbalneav>
He's not defaulting to CONFIGURE_X = false, is he?
13:48
<ogra>
sbalneav, i'm just trying to get one to compare from the installed system where compiz works ... luckily that client is a laptop :)
13:48
<white_n_azz>
should I be using mail list for 4.2 questions?
13:49
<joebob777as7>
ogra, that's it... that's the xorg.conf of the local filesystem install on my x60 tablet
13:49
<sbalneav>
white_n_azz: What kind of client are you trying to get 4.2 running on?
13:49
<ogra>
joebob777as7, ah, because you talked about the client
13:49
<white_n_azz>
just an old windows box (IBM Netvista)
13:50
<joebob777as7>
ogra, yeah i browsed to get it from my thin client login and just drug it to the desktop... ;)
13:50
<ogra>
joebob777as7, so do what i said above, copy it into the chroot, rebuild the image and add the X_CONF stanza
13:51
<sbalneav>
A netvista? They've got something whacky with them. I can't quite remember what, but their troublesome.
13:51
<ogra>
sbalneav, an ibm x60 tablet laptop
13:51
one of these thingies where you can twist the lid
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<sbalneav>
No, that was for white_n_azz
13:51
<ogra>
propellerbook :)
13:52
<white_n_azz>
sbalneav - my problem is more simplistic...I get to the point where it's running 'switchroot' and it stops there
13:52
<sbalneav>
yeah
13:52
how much memory's in the netvista?
13:52
<white_n_azz>
256MB
13:53
<ogra>
tats pleanty
13:53
<jammcq>
white_n_azz: do you have any 'SCREEN_01' entry in your lts.conf file?
13:53
<white_n_azz>
it says on screen... nfs: server 192.168.3.7 not responding, still trying
13:53
<jammcq>
oh, that's different
13:53
<joebob777as7>
working on it.. what's best way to find out clients mac?
13:53
<ogra>
any managed switch involved ?
13:53
<white_n_azz>
SCREEN_01 = startx
13:54
<jammcq>
yeah, do you have gigabit in server and 10mbit or 100mbit in client?
13:54
<ogra>
joebob777as7, ifconfig on the client console (tty2)
13:54
<white_n_azz>
me ? switch?
13:54
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
13:54
<ogra>
yeah
13:54
<jammcq>
white_n_azz: check that wiki article
13:54
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq
13:54
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<joebob777as7>
ogra, do i need to reboot client completely or just log out?
13:58
<Guaraldo>
hey, jammcq and sbalneav!!! How do you do, dudes?
13:58
<ogra>
joebob777as7, reboot
13:58
<jammcq>
hey Guaraldo
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<sbalneav>
gey Guaraldo
13:59
<white_n_azz>
I'm looking at it jammcq - I get errors when I add that code to dhcpd.conf
14:00
that appears to be my issue
14:00
<jammcq>
white_n_azz: are you using PXE or Etherboot ?
14:00
<ogra>
white_n_azz, where does it talk abotu dhcpd.conf ?
14:01
<white_n_azz>
I'm using etherboot (floppy disk boot)
14:01
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions
14:02
go read THAT wiki article for help on sending options through Etherboot
14:02
<white_n_azz>
ogra - the link jammcq sent...
14:02
<ogra>
right
14:02
it talks about PXE and etherboot options ;)
14:03
<white_n_azz>
The only place it would allow me to put those options in was in the general area which seems ugly to me
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<dberkholz>
is ltsp4 updated at all for security issues?
14:04
<jammcq>
dberkholz: sadly, no
14:04
<joebob777as7>
ogra here is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf http://pastebin.ca/696146 and i have xorg.conf-x60 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/
14:04
<dberkholz>
jammcq: ok, thanks. gentoo might end up dropping it and just not having ltsp till i get 5 ready
14:05
nobody's interested in doing all the legwork to keep it updated
14:05
<ogra>
joebob777as7, remove the space :)
14:06
<white_n_azz>
that didn't seem to solve anything :-( is it possible to get 5 working on CentOS 5 ?
14:07
<ogra>
we have a tarball but that doesnt give you all the love on the server side indeed
14:08
<joebob777as7>
lol ok removed the space in lts.conf rebuilt image and i'm still not getting it... :(
14:08
<rafaelcardoso>
ltspadmin Checking Runlevelgrep: /etc/inittab: No such file or directory
14:08
??
14:09
<ogra>
joebob777as7, can you check on the running client if that file is actually used ? (it should have been copied to /etc/X11/xorg.conf during boot)
14:10
<joebob777as7>
no it's not...
14:11
<ogra>
what Driver is used in the current file ?
14:11
<joebob777as7>
nvidia
14:11
<ogra>
oh ?
14:11
so you dont have X starting ?
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<joebob777as7>
i'll remove the mac address in lts.conf and rebuild and reboot?
14:11
<ogra>
no, that wont help
14:12
on the running client in the console do ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf-x60
14:12
<joebob777as7>
well it is booting but it in xorg.conf it says nvidia video card and driver nvidia
14:12
<ogra>
is it there ?
14:12
<joebob777as7>
no
14:12
<ogra>
aha
14:12
you ran ltsp-update-image ?
14:13
<joebob777as7>
yes well sudo ltsp-update-image
14:13
was instant?
14:13
<ogra>
strange
14:13
<joebob777as7>
is there a verbose mode to make sure it does it?
14:13
<ogra>
shouldnt be
14:13
it usually takes about 10 min
14:14
and throws a lot output at you
14:14
from mksquashfs
14:14
<joebob777as7>
never taken more than a second... even when i put the server in lts.conf but that fixed it? weird....
14:14
so?
14:15
any ideas why it's not building?
14:15
<ogra>
you dont need to rebuild the image for lts.conf changes if you use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
14:15
but you need it for the xorg.conf-x60 file
14:15
hmm
14:15
<joebob777as7>
figured it out. my server is amd64 i had to put --arch i386
14:15
<ogra>
ah :)
14:16* ogra makes a note to put a warning in for that case
14:16
<joebob777as7>
can you guys put an option for when you do build client and ltsp-update-image to ask for which arch and enter for default (server arch)
14:17
because when i was first getting into this i had to look everywhere to find out that i had to add those few simple chars. ;)
14:17
<ogra>
ltsp-manager does that but its far from being ready for use
14:17
<joebob777as7>
ah
14:17
143: cannot create /opt/ltsp//i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf: Directory nonexistent
14:17
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
14:17
<joebob777as7>
why is it putting that extra /?
14:18
<ogra>
see the first screenshot
14:18
ah, crap, scott foxed that today
14:18
*fixed
14:18
<joebob777as7>
also says warning: found port in use already
14:18
<ogra>
sudo mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp
14:18
<lns>
ogra, the fix for thin-client-manager you spoke of yesterday - has it made its way into ubuntu updates?
14:19
<ogra>
lns, these fixes were only to make it run on gutsy ...
14:19
joebob777as7, then run it again
14:19
<lns>
oh... :( ok that's why I'm still having problems
14:19
<joebob777as7>
ok
14:19
<ogra>
lns, what kind of probs ?
14:20
<lns>
ogra, well its strange
14:20
i launched it w/logged in thinclient user, but without x11vnc installed on the chroot
14:20
<joebob777as7>
so do you think in the future new clients will configure xserver upon boot so people don't have to go through this?
14:21
<lns>
it listed procs fine, gave me the "install x11vnc" thing in "Screen Viewer" tab
14:21
<ogra>
lns, yes, it should tell you that there is no vnc then ...
14:21
<lns>
and then I followed instructions to install x11vnc on the client
14:21
<joebob777as7>
yeah that's another question how do i install x11vnc on all my clients? just install on server?
14:21
<lns>
after that, I rebooted and thin-client-manager locks up as soon as you try to click on a logged-in user
14:21
no proc listings, no response from the app at all
14:22
<ogra>
joebob777as7, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
14:22
lns, run sudo student-control-panel in a terminal
14:22
<lns>
I *am* running ltsp server on a very, VERY slow machine (mini-itx epia 800) so i dunno if that has anything to do with it
14:22
<ogra>
and see if it throws out any errors
14:22
<lns>
ogra, did - no console messages
14:23
I'm sure you know but the bin name is still "student-control-panel"
14:23
<ogra>
well, it runs various embedded vnc sessions if vnc works on the clients ... if you have many clients on such an underpowered server that might be a prob
14:23
yes, i know
14:23
<lns>
ogra, i just have one thin client (this is my test lab)
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<ogra>
well, that shouldnt do any harm
14:24
did you try to switch off vnc on the client again ?
14:24
<lns>
ogra, yeah, I completely reversed the instructions - even uninstalled x11vnc - the problem persists
14:24
really strange
14:24
<ogra>
hmm
14:25
<lns>
maybe it was a fluke that it worked the first time? hehe
14:25
<joebob777as7>
getting some errors after rebuild... moung: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument cp: unable to open /rot/etc/ : is a directory mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed no such file or di
14:25
<ogra>
lns, does /etc/xdg/autostart/scp-client.desktop exist ? does scp-client run in the users session ?
14:26
<lns>
lemme check
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<joebob777as7>
is it because of this warning after image rebuild? Warning: image defined with different port already in inetd.conf
14:27
<lns>
ogra, yes it does exist: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 277 2007-03-15 03:59 /etc/xdg/autostart/scp-client.desktop
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<lns>
do i launch a thin client session to see if it's running as a proc?
14:28
if so, yes... "python /usr/bin/scp-client"
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<lns>
i'm out to lunch...will be back later, thanks ogra and everyone =)
14:29
<joebob777as7>
still here ogra ?
14:34
shoot i have to leave in 5 mins.........
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<joebob777as7>
if you have a quick answer ogra just post it and i'll be back tonight to try it... I'll talk to you tomorrow. thanks for all of the help!
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<gvy>
ogra, just in case -- i've tried gutsy edubuntu beta5, after looong time it still installed but the client bailed out at the end of initramfs
16:19
client hardware was as standard as can be -- 440bx, ati, intel
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<Ryudo>
ogra u can help me ?
16:31
my therminal after any time are automatically logout of session
16:34
my terminals are effecting logout automatically after some time (LTSP 5+feisty)
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<Ryudo>
anyone can help me ?
16:47
anybody
16:58
<gvy>
sorry...
16:58
i'd like but on altlinux it just works for us
16:58
i'd look into DE setup for auto logout though, and/or google for it independently of ltsp being used
16:59
btw is the logout time consistent ("after an idle hour") or random?
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<lns>
Man, ogra is just the guy everyone asks for, eh? =) Sounds like he needs some assistants
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<gvy>
lns, +1
17:09
burning out is no good for anyone both asking and answering...
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<pablo_>
hi! ive installed student-control-panel when i run it it doesnt show clients screnns and i cannot interact in any form whint the clients. how do i configure it ?
18:55
maybe i need to install something else?
18:56
im using ltsp5 and ubuntu 7.04
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<lns>
pablo_, there are issues with it i believe - what os are you running?
19:06
oh n/m
19:07
I'm using the same thing and it seems to lock up a lot - I've talked w/ogra about it and I think he's looking into it
19:07
they seem to be fixing bugs in thin-client-manager for gutsy
19:07
<white_n_azz>
xdmcp on CentOS 5 (likely similar to Fedora) - instructions http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN984 don't really track and I'm at the point where grey screen is all I get
19:08
kdm is indeed running and client exists in DNS and in /etc/hosts
19:08
can anyone tell me which file to tweak for KDM - non-local clients?
19:09
<lns>
white_n_azz, might want to check in a kde support channel
19:09
this is ltsp specific
19:11
ala LDM
19:11
<white_n_azz>
getting a login screen up on screen seems fairly ltsp specific
19:12
<lns>
white_n_azz, you might be right - I only have experience with LDM (which seems to be the default in any recent LTSP)
19:12
Any reason you're using kdm instead?
19:12
<white_n_azz>
I'm using 4.2 since there's no real support for CentOS in ltsp 5
19:13
<lns>
white_n_azz, I would assume any config you can do to kdm would be in kde control center
19:13
i seem to remember a 'remote' section of the login window part of it
19:13
which is very similar to gnome's
19:14
<white_n_azz>
didn't think of that at all - starting a session via nx now
19:14
<lns>
what kind of setup do you have?
19:14
hardware, # of clients, etc.
19:14
<white_n_azz>
I am trying to run off one of my servers...this is my first client (a reasonable IBM Netvista)
19:15
<lns>
cool
19:15
it's too bad (just imho) that you're using centOS and it doesn't support much of LTSP5... there is much improvement in that
19:15
but to each his own =)
19:17
<white_n_azz>
I am going for a proof of concept for bosses - If I succeed in selling concept, we buy a server
19:17
I am not locating anything in KDE Control Center - Login with Administrator login that governs this
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<pablo_>
lns: im using 7.04
19:23
lnd: ubuntu
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<pablo_>
lns: maybe in need to install x11vnc in the chroot env
19:30
how do i do that?
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<lns>
pablo_, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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<dniel>
run the ltsp-build-client command is equal to install the tarball?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
hellloooooooooo
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<lns>
wassaaaaaaaap
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<lns>
oh man... how did i go so long without timestamps in xchat =p
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so, the ltspfs in ubuntu supports /var/run/ldm_socket_* ?
22:29
gonna need a new ltspfs upload to debian to support that ...
22:32
<sbalneav>
Yeah, ltspfs-upstream has all the good stuff in it
22:32
Evening vagrantc, btw
22:32
<vagrantc>
evening
22:38
sbalneav: can we call it 0.4.4 ? :)
22:38
<sbalneav>
Well, I think ogra called it 0.5
22:38
<vagrantc>
oh really. ok.
22:40* vagrantc wonders if ltsp and ltspfs will ever release an upstream tarball again
22:41
<sbalneav>
what, you mean a source tarball, or a bin tarball for other distros?
22:41
<vagrantc>
source tarball
22:42
<sbalneav>
Do we need to?
22:42
<vagrantc>
well, either that or tag your bzr branches ...
22:42
it's a little confusing as a debian maintainer what version numbers to call things
22:42
when ubuntu and debian are essentially implementing whatever, whenever
22:42
<sbalneav>
heh, don't know how to tag yet :)
22:43
<vagrantc>
well, bzr only recently learned how
22:43
but a really simple thing you can do is simply upload a branch and not make any new commits on it
22:43
sbalneav: like this: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/releases/
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i also think other distros would prefer tarballs over bzr.
23:01
i was able to confirm http://bugs.debian.org/415460 recently
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<sbalneav>
When I get some time, I'll cut some tarballs
23:09
<vagrantc>
heh! debian has a better history of ubuntu's ltspfs uploads than ubuntu :P
23:10
y'all are missing a bunch of changelog entries :)
23:11
<sbalneav>
I'm not sure what you confirmed about 415460?
23:13
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: that usbfloppy support requires modifications to the udev rules ...
23:13
for some reason, at least on debian
23:15
<sbalneav>
What rule needs changing?
23:16
I can't seem to see stratus' branch
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<vagrantc>
http://people.debian.org/~stratus/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-usbfloppy/
23:20
he might have moved it since reporting the bug
23:24
<sbalneav>
If his modules usb-storage, why does he need to load the ide-floppy module?
23:24
That doesn't seem quite right.
23:27
He's also missing the rule for standard floppies.
23:28
Wonder if we could simply combine both with:
23:29
<Shingoshi>
For those of you who like dark themes, I have created another one (CharcoalBlue) for Mozillazine: http://userstyles.org/styles/3434
23:29
<sbalneav>
ACTION=="add", ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", add_fstab_entry %k auto
23:29
ACTION=="add", ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
23:29
sorry
23:29
hm
23:30
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: it doesn't register as usb-storage ...
23:31
<sbalneav>
His selection rule looks for that, though...
23:31
<vagrantc>
hmmm
23:31
<sbalneav>
ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", DRIVERS=="usb-storage", \ ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", KERNEL=="sd*", \ RUN+="/bin/sh -c '/sbin/modprobe ide_floppy; /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry %k auto'"
23:32
<vagrantc>
i tried it without the rule, and it didn't work.
23:32
or, i mean, without the ide_floppy bit
23:32
<sbalneav>
can you try the simpler rule I posted?
23:32
<vagrantc>
no idea where the drive went ...
23:33
<sbalneav>
if that one catches both legacy floppy, and usb floppy, that'd be perfect
23:35
<vagrantc>
in debian, we've been using for floppies: ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="fd[0-9]", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
23:36
<sbalneav>
Yeah, that's what I have
23:36
I figured that out out for legacy
23:36
one out, I should say
23:37
but what I'm wondering is if we can simplify it to ACTION=="add", ATTRS{interface}=="FLOPPY", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
23:37
<vagrantc>
hmmm... but ... there's not a rule for floppies in your upstream branch
23:37
<sbalneav>
which might catch both ide and usb
23:37
wha?
23:38
<vagrantc>
in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream/ udev/88-ltsp.rules
23:38
<sbalneav>
huh
23:38
<vagrantc>
contains no entries for floppies
23:38
<sbalneav>
you're right
23:38
there isn't
23:39
how'd it get dropped?!?
23:39
<vagrantc>
debian doesn't use that file ... so no idea.
23:40
i should try and use upstream's again ... had to change the rules a bunch to get it working at one point, but maybe we can switch back someday.
23:40
<sbalneav>
well, if that simple floppy rule works for both, that's a slam dunk
23:40
I don't have a usb floppy here, though
23:43
Wait! I do!
23:43
haha
23:43
I'll try it in a few
23:44
<vagrantc>
still looking for a better workaround for: http://bugs.debian.org/432024 ltspfs: Provide non-root users access to the local hard drive on the client
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23:45
<vagrantc>
as well as #432669: ltspfs: cdpinger report error if /var/run/ltspfs_fstab is missing
23:45
<sbalneav>
Well, cdpinger just got rewitten today :)
23:45
<vagrantc>
pfft.
23:45
:)
23:46
<sbalneav>
dunno wethere I'll get it in before go-live but it's in C now, for wicked speed.
23:46
and
23:46
I'm planning on having it started from udev
23:46
<vagrantc>
nice
23:46
<sbalneav>
so we don't have one running all the time, like we do now.
23:47
<vagrantc>
that's actually one thing i thought was really silly to have in python.
23:47
<sbalneav>
Yeah, it was a quick hack.
23:47
<vagrantc>
i thought udev didn't report cd insertion events ... ?
23:48
<sbalneav>
no, it doesn't. But, on detecting a cd DEVICE, we launch a cdpinger for it that handles the INSERTIONS.
23:48
<vagrantc>
ah, you call cdpinger when there's a CD present ...
23:48
<sbalneav>
so slick.
23:48
<vagrantc>
yeah, like that
23:48
<sbalneav>
and, cdpinger checks if the device goes away, and quietly exits
23:48
<vagrantc>
nice.
23:49
much nicer than what we've had
23:49
<sbalneav>
so for usb cdroms that get unplugged, you don't need a remove rule, so it'll just quietly go away.
23:49
I did that all today :)
23:49* vagrantc high-fives sbalneav
23:49
<sbalneav>
Pluuuuuus
23:49
I re-implemented jetpipe in C
23:50
so now, EVERYTHING on the client can be nice and small
23:50
all this has to be tested, integrated, etc.
23:50
we might have time for gutsy, but shouldn't affect debian. I'll probably create a new branch to merge it in.
23:51
<vagrantc>
well, debian's nowhere near a release cycle
23:51
<sbalneav>
right
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23:51
<vagrantc>
so we can actually be a little more risky at the moment
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23:52
<vagrantc>
like, uploading an LTSP that you know breaks localdev support :)
23:52
<sbalneav>
sure, so I'll create a new branch this weekend, and migrate jetpipe and cdpinger to the new stuff
23:52
s/know/has the possibility of/ :)
23:52
we HOPE it will work :)
23:53
I'd like to start jetpipe from udev too.
23:53
<vagrantc>
next week, i'm not working at all, so should have even more time to test ltsp stuff :)
23:53
only 5 bugs to squash for LTSP :)
23:54
<sbalneav>
I have an idea to do it that should be easy, but it will ever so slightly break our port numbering scheme
23:54
so, you need 2 rules for jetpipe
23:54
<vagrantc>
oh, putting jetpipe in udev ?
23:54
<sbalneav>
one for add, device = usblp*
23:54
so you do jetpipe %k 9100
23:55
and what jetpipe does is add the number on the end of the device to the 9100
23:55
so usblp0 is 9100
23:55
<vagrantc>
ah, nice.
23:55
<sbalneav>
usblp1 is 9101, etc.
23:55
Same for /dev/lp0 etc.
23:55
however, you can't start them at 9100
23:55
<vagrantc>
?
23:56
ah, because of the usb printers ?
23:56
<sbalneav>
right.
23:56
so, here's what I'd propose
23:56
usb printers are in the range of 9100-9109
23:56
parallel printers are 9110 - 9112
23:57
<vagrantc>
why not have parallel be 9100-9102, and have usb printers start at 9103 ?
23:57
<sbalneav>
could do.
23:58
<vagrantc>
the one thing that worries me, is it might be difficult to consistantly get the same usb printer to show up as the same number every time ...
23:58
<sbalneav>
ah, well, you can't do that now the way it is anyway
23:58
<vagrantc>
ah, true enough
23:59
<sbalneav>
all you'd need to do is just add a udev rule to make sure that the HP usb device is 0, the cannon's 1, etc
23:59
<vagrantc>
like, two printers are plugged in, but only one is turned on ...
23:59
<sbalneav>
with some standard udev trickery
23:59
<vagrantc>
a udev rule specific to a particular thin client ?
23:59
<sbalneav>
yeah, that's a problem. But it's a problem now, anyway