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Channel log from 19 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
daya: sounds like it was working
00:01
<daya>
vagrantc, But Failed to fetch http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/ltsp-client_5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0_all.deb Connection timed out
00:01
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
00:01
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
00:01
<vagrantc>
daya: the initial install is just a very basic system, and then it follows up with more packages using apt
00:02
<daya>
vagrantc, can it may be due to connection problem,
00:02
<vagrantc>
daya: almost certainly
00:02
<daya>
vagrantc,But with same net speed I haven't faced this problem earlier,
00:02
<vagrantc>
daya: are you using --copy-package-cache ?
00:03
<johnny>
the debians are broken
00:03
evening vagrantc
00:04* johnny attempting to solve sabayon bugs
00:05
<daya>
vagrantc, --copy-package-cache in ltsp-build-client
00:05
vagrantc, can I use local repo of etch from DVD or file for ltsp-build-client instead of proding the extra url you pointed in the wiki
00:06
<vagrantc>
daya: if you put those packages on a DVD...
00:06
<johnny>
when you install debian, does it default to you using the cd still?
00:07
in sources.list
00:07
<vagrantc>
daya: what i would recommend is to do "apt-get -d install ltsp-client" on the server. DO NOT forget the -d
00:08
daya: and then use "ltsp-build-client --copy-package-cache ..."
00:09
<daya>
vagrantc, ok
00:09
<vagrantc>
Get:1 http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org etch-ltsp-backports/main ltsp-client 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 [37.0kB]
00:09
Fetched 37.0kB in 1s (20.6kB/s)
00:09
works for me.
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<daya>
vagrantc, several dependecy arises,
00:21
vagrantc,can I download all the things that ltsp-build-clinet does and copy it to /opt directory,
00:21
vagrantc, I will install other things such as ltsp-server , ltspfs etc, :D
00:22
<vagrantc>
daya: if you download them on the server, and then use the --copy-package-cache option, it will copy them to /opt for you.
00:22
<johnny>
vagrantc, does debian have any patches for sabayon that you might know about?
00:22
<vagrantc>
johnny: i know of sabayon only by name and rudimentary purpose
00:23
<johnny>
but you do know how debian stores patches for programs generally
00:23
<vagrantc>
every package is somewhat different
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<daya>
vagrantc, is there is any pkg. available for debian as of edubuntu 7.10 based on nbd and squashfs,
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<vagrantc>
daya: not for etch
01:16
daya: the support is there, but the nbd in etch doesn't work
01:16
daya: well, doesn't work good enough for nbd for root
01:17
<daya>
vagrantc, ok, that means we have to stick in nfs in etch isn't it?
01:18
<vagrantc>
daya: yes. unless you want to backport nbd and possibly unionfs and squashfs.
01:18
<daya>
vagrantc, what does --copy-package-cache does, (you told if will copy them in /opt directory from the server_
01:18
if --> it
01:19
vagrantc, is it possible now to backport ndb and unionfs and squashfs for etch, is there is any work on progress for such backport
01:21
<vagrantc>
daya: i have no intention of doing any of that work
01:21
i much prefer nfs anyways
01:21
<lns>
vagrantc, why's that?
01:21
<vagrantc>
lns: it's so much simpler.
01:22
<lns>
heh
01:22
no speed differences?
01:22
<vagrantc>
allegedly slower
01:22
<daya>
vagrantc, I have heard nbd and squashfs make client fast is it,
01:23
<lns>
i do agree though, its kind of lame sometimes rebuilding your image...but again, you aren't ALWAYS modifying chroots
01:23
<vagrantc>
if you're working in an LTSP environment where you build it once and *never* change anything that could possible require re-building the image ... nbd has some improvements
01:23
but if you're frequently making small changes, nfs is the way to go
01:23
<lns>
it's nice to have some horsepower behind the image build... =)
01:24
<vagrantc>
daya: --copy-package-cache copies the server's /var/cache/apt/archives into the LTSP environment before building it, and then copies them back to the server's /var/cache/apt/archives
01:26
daya: take a look at it: /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/040-copy-package-cache
01:26
<daya>
vagrantc, ok,
01:27
vagrantc, ltsp-build-client command fetches pkg. from which repo, the extra mirror have only for ltsp-sever and ltspfs isn't it, I am a bit confused here
01:28
<vagrantc>
daya: it fetches them from whatever repos you tell it to fetch them from
01:28
daya: i'm having trouble understanding what is so confusing.
01:28
<daya>
vagrantc,that mean I have to specify it in sources.list file
01:29
<vagrantc>
daya: ??
01:30
daya: are you familiar with: ltsp-build-client --help
01:30
daya: and: ltsp-build-client --extra-help
01:30
<daya>
vagrantc, sorry , I try to make you clear,
01:30
<vagrantc>
daya: man ltsp-build-client ?
01:31
<daya>
vagrantc, ye , I have seen it,
01:33
<vagrantc>
well, i've got to go to sleep
01:34
<daya>
vagrantc, debian:/# ltsp-build-client --mirror "http://192.168.2.1/debian etch main contrib"
01:35
vagrantc, It gives error,
01:35
<vagrantc>
daya: yes
01:35
<daya>
NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
01:35
http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
01:35
E: No such script: etch
01:35
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
01:35
<vagrantc>
daya: you need to leave off "etc main contrib"
01:35
er.
01:35
daya: you need to leave off "etch main contrib"
01:36
<zodman>
--mirror "http://192.168.2.1/debian" --dist etch
01:36
xD
01:36
<vagrantc>
ltsp-build-client --mirror http://192.168.2.1/debian
01:37
daya: if you really need contrib, you could specify: --components "main contrib"
01:37
<daya>
vagrantc, seems to be working now,
01:38
vagrantc, does it work Its the repo that I set with etch,
01:38
<vagrantc>
daya: are you trying with the backported packages?
01:38
<daya>
vagrantc, yes, :(
01:38
=P
01:38
<vagrantc>
daya: you *need* to specify a repository with the new backports, too, then.
01:38
daya: unless you've made a custom repository with the new packages
01:39
daya: and the recommended way is to use --extra-mirror
01:39
daya: as documented in the howto
01:39
<daya>
vagrantc, then I have to add --extra-mirror with mirror of my local repot
01:40
vagrantc, I mean could I add both mirror and extra-mirror sorry if misunderstood
01:40
<vagrantc>
daya: well, --mirror needs a mirror with all of the stuff needed to install a base debian system
01:41
here's my latest ltsp-build-client commandline: ltsp-build-client --apt-keys /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --mirror http://apt.freegeek.org/debian --early-mirror 'http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian unstable/' --extra-mirror http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian --accept-unsigned-packages --copy-package-cache --copy-package-lists --kernel-package linux-image-2.6.23-1-486
01:41
so you can use --mirror, --early-mirror and --extra-mirror
01:41
(that was building a sid environment with some experimental packages)
01:42
<daya>
vagrantc, but me trying to use stable, in our own distro based on debian,
01:42
<vagrantc>
daya: i was just showing an example
01:43
<daya>
vagrantc, :D
01:43
vagrantc, :),
01:43
<vagrantc>
i don't know how i can explain it any better
01:43
<daya>
vagrantc, what is this error, W: Failure while unpacking required packages. This will be attempted up to five times.
01:43
vagrantc, although I used local repo for it,
01:44
<vagrantc>
daya: sounds like the mirror used was broken somehow
01:45
<daya>
vagrantc, hm
01:45
<vagrantc>
daya: that's breaking on debootstrap ... whenever you get errors like that... try: debootstrap etch $(mktemp -d) http://your.mirror.here/debian
01:45
if you get the same error, then your mirror is probably missing something
01:46
<daya>
vagrantc, our setting of the loal mirror may be wrong,
01:46
<vagrantc>
that's what it sounds like, yes.
01:46
<daya>
vagrantc, Reading package lists... Done
01:46
W: GPG error: http://192.168.2.1 etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 70A436487AD6AAA6
01:46
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
01:46
<vagrantc>
daya: use --apt-keys
01:47
daya: or, --accept-unsigned-packages (but better to use --apt-keys)
01:48
<daya>
vagrantc, set the repo but unable to make release file
01:48
<vagrantc>
daya: sorry, i don't understand
01:50
<daya>
vagrantc, I mean we don't make any Release and Release.gpg file in the repo that must be,
01:50
<vagrantc>
daya: then you'll need to use --accept-unsigned-packages, and you probably cannot use that mirror for the --mirror
01:51
daya: only for --early-mirror or --extra-mirror
01:53
<daya>
vagrantc, could you please told me what pkg, are fetched from early-mirror, extra-mirror, and --mirror, I can't get form man pages,
01:54
<vagrantc>
daya: --mirror is what is used by debootstrap ... --early-mirror goes into sources.list as the first mirror, --mirror the second, and --extra-mirror last
01:54
daya: the order in sources.list usually determines which mirror to download from
01:55
<daya>
vagrantc, o, got it thanks a lot,
01:55
vagrantc, could you please help me how can I use my local mirror for bebootstrap,
01:56
<vagrantc>
daya: not really
01:56
<daya>
vagrantc, I thinks its only some command to generate Release file
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<vagrantc>
daya: i don't know those commands
01:56
daya: i use "reprepro"
01:56
<daya>
vagrantc, I have tried once
01:56
vagrantc, ok
01:57
vagrantc, reprepro
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<vagrantc>
daya: reprepro can handle the Release files, the gpg-signing and mirroring only some packages from an external mirror
02:00
<daya>
vagrantc, how to maintain it in my local server, if you don't feel sleepy :),
02:01
<vagrantc>
daya: i felt sleepy an hour ago
02:01
<daya>
vagrantc, :) ha
02:02
<vagrantc>
daya: i can get you some config files for mirroring with reprepro some other day
02:02
<daya>
vagrantc, ok,
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<El_Angelo>
is ltsp for linux trying to achieve the same like terminal services on windows ?
02:31
<johnny>
somewhat
02:32
iirc terminal service also does remote login
02:32
is that correct?
02:32
<El_Angelo>
ltsp does not?
02:32
<johnny>
no
02:32
<El_Angelo>
ghe
02:32
<johnny>
stuff like X itself does
02:32
no ltsp required
02:33
or you could use vnc
02:33
or freenx
02:33
<El_Angelo>
vnc is slow
02:33
<johnny>
try freenx
02:33
<El_Angelo>
ok
02:33
gonna have a look
02:34
just tried xrdp but that's just vnc with an rdp layer
02:34
<johnny>
ltsp is for when you have locally attached computers for the most part
02:34
when you ned access to local devices and such
02:34
<El_Angelo>
you mean lan?
02:34
<johnny>
yes
02:34
but these are definitely for PCs.. no other devices
02:34
<El_Angelo>
hmmm ok... i'm trying to get decent connection speed over dsl
02:35
<johnny>
i do all my remote stuff on the cli anyways.. so no biggy..
02:35
who knows what you can get
02:35
it just depends on how good the network is
02:35
it could be impossible
02:35
go with freenx tho
02:35
check it out
02:36
<El_Angelo>
i will
02:36
i do most stuff with cli as well... but i'm just interested to see if there is a decent alternative to vnc
02:37
<johnny>
the last time i had to use that
02:37
my father needed it on his win2k box
02:37
<El_Angelo>
vnc is terribly slow
02:37
<johnny>
so.. no way to do the remote login easily
02:38
he just signed up for gotomypc
02:38
it worked for him well enough
02:38
<El_Angelo>
haha
02:38
heard about that too
02:38
<johnny>
better than me spending awhile trying to figure how it works
02:38
would take me awhile to gt back up to speed in a win env now
02:38
i'll wait til he switches to linux before i mess with that
02:38
the service is cheap enough
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<killsalad>
hello i've got bit problem with ubuntu7.10 ltsp and local device access - on thin client everything is ok and server has all required software, but there's no directory with device content
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<jammcq>
hellooooooooo
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<cliebow_>
hellllllooooooooooo!
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<jammcq>
hey chuck
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<johnny>
so.. sabayon is getting better
14:12
we might even up fixing people's issues after all :)
14:12
at least some of them
14:12
<lns>
johnny, really? what version are you using now
14:13
<johnny>
svn atm
14:13
getting patches integrated
14:13
<lns>
ah
14:13
<johnny>
and obsoleting an ubuntu patch
14:13
which is always good
14:13
<lns>
hopefully it will fix my issue of crashing whenever xnest comes up to edit a profile (even a brand new one)
14:14
<johnny>
got a debug log for that?
14:14
or does it just say RECOVERABLE ERROR
14:14
<lns>
lets see
14:15
<johnny>
brb
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<lns>
johnny, http://www.pastebin.ca/824115
14:20
that's after an apt-get --purge remove sabayon and re-install
14:22
created a new profile then hit edit...xnest comes up and *almost* shows the ubuntu desktop, then crashes
14:22
i should try it on another system
14:30
<ace_suares>
moin jammcq :-)
14:30
cliebow!!!!
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<johnny>
lns, lemme know when you do that
14:35
but you can also create a debug log like it mentions
14:35
and for each (something) you can do enable domain = domain1;domain2;
14:35
maybe it's domains
14:37
<cliebow>
ace_suares, Hallooo!!!!!!!!!!
14:37
<lns>
johnny, to be honest I have no idea what the context of "domains" are in creating a user profile
14:37
<johnny>
domains are for the logging
14:38
like USER,admin-tool
14:38
in that log
14:38
<lns>
ah
14:38
well i'm just testing so that probably won't make a diff ;)
14:39
<johnny>
but that might expose the real error
14:39
altho you could try it on another machine first
14:39
<lns>
yeah..i'm installing on a gutsy amd64 box right now
14:39
<ace_suares>
lns: hi
14:40
y'all heard about my problems with LTSP last week ? Hilarious I think.
14:40
<lns>
ace_suares, ?
14:40
<ace_suares>
On the TC, gnome booted fine, but none of the mneus where accessible
14:40
<lns>
johnny, same thing
14:40
<ace_suares>
on the server, all was okay
14:40
<johnny>
hmm.. i wonder what i did right :)
14:40
lol
14:40
<ace_suares>
on the tc, it happend with any user, even admin users.
14:40
<lns>
oh yeah
14:40
<johnny>
ok.. try the logging
14:40
<ace_suares>
I tought, oh maybe saboyan or so or pessulus,
14:41
asked around here and there
14:41
no solution (but lns had a hint at the problem, as it turend out later).
14:41
So, what was the problem ? The left mouse button didn't work as it should...
14:41
grrrr.... !
14:41
<johnny>
lol
14:41
<ace_suares>
(I must say, I was confused, since it DID work in Gcompris, but not on other places)
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<johnny>
PEBKAC :)
14:42
<lns>
hahahaha
14:42
nice
14:42
<ace_suares>
I rpelaced the mouse and that was the end of a many hour dtorubleshooitng session
14:42
OMG :-)
14:42
PEBMAC !
14:42
<johnny>
[debug log]
14:42
enable domains = USER;admin-tool
14:43
in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf
14:43
<lns>
k
14:43* johnny doesn't understand the use of spaces tho.. makes the parser more complicated than necessary
14:47
<lns>
johnny, http://www.pastebin.ca/824166
14:47
that's with the modified debug log
14:48
<johnny>
ok, now try adding sabayon-session
14:48
with a ;
14:49
<lns>
what, right after USER;admin-tool ?
14:49
same line?
14:50
<johnny>
yes
14:50
<lns>
k
14:50
<johnny>
it doesn't really matter where
14:50
as long as it they are seperated with ;
14:50
but probably not ending with ;
14:50
<lns>
ok
14:50
<johnny>
and definitely not starting with ;)
14:51
<lns>
johnny, http://www.pastebin.ca/824171
14:53
<johnny>
uggh.. not really changed
14:53
i wonder if there is a way to make it more verbose
14:54
<lns>
yeah i dunno...
14:54
but (the crashing at least) is on 2 totally different systems
14:54
both ubuntu gutsy though...one i386 one amd64
14:55
<johnny>
i think i might have had that problem before
14:55
but i don't remember how i solved it
14:55
<lns>
heh
14:55
oh well... =p i know i can't tell my teachers to use it yet, so its no big deal =p
14:55
<johnny>
i'll prollly want you to test out svn at some point
14:56
<lns>
i need to get a better test server
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the only ones i have are non-deployed school servers so far ;)
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don't wanna mess too much with those
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<johnny>
virtualbox helps.. if you have the hardware
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<johnny>
lns, try running sabayon from the cli
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see if you get a traceback of some kind
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<lns>
johnny, here ya go - w/console output: http://www.pastebin.ca/824316
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<johnny>
lame
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<lns>
heh
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<johnny>
was going by a bug i saw
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and they had an error there
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<Dorien>
hello
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is anyone here?
18:30
i recently installed litestep(LiteStep_Installer_omar_3.0.2_1-79) for the first time, i also installed the update needed after that(Litestep-Updater0.24.7r3_375904-150) but i'm still not able to install any themes
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<johnny>
this channel is not litestep
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<ari_stress>
morning all :D
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