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Channel log from 10 June 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<matttttt>
why is it necessary for ldm to reload after every failed login attempt?
08:45
seems kind of clumbsy
08:48
<alkisg>
matttttt++ :D
08:48
<ogra>
security
08:49
<alkisg>
How so?
08:49
<ogra>
it regenreates Xauthority
08:49
to do that you need to restart X
08:49
Gadi had some ideas to keep X running
08:49
<alkisg>
OK after logout, but after failed login?
08:50
E.g. wrong password => restart ldm => to secure what?
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<ogra>
wrong password means you need to at least restart the first ssh conn
08:50
<alkisg>
Doesn't that start from within ldm now?
08:51
<ogra>
it makes the ldm code massively complex to do that in bg
08:51
feel free to write patches ;)
08:51
<rjune_>
aka, nobody wants to do it
08:51
<alkisg>
matttttt: ^^^ :D
08:51
<matttttt>
word :)
08:51
i guess that's an answer
08:51
<alkisg>
Nah, that's a chalenge :)
09:08
<sbalneav>
alkisg: The other reason is Xprops
09:08
ltsp is now communicating some info via xprops.
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: (hi!) ....and?
09:08
<sbalneav>
Unfortunately, there's no xlib() call that clears out all xprops
09:08
soo
09:09
if one person logs in, logs out
09:09
and X doesn't restart
09:09
some info has the potential to be leaked from the previous user.
09:09
<alkisg>
I agree with that, but we were talking about the wrong password case
09:09
I.e. a users tries to login and fails 5 times => x is restarted 5 times
09:10
<sbalneav>
well, the biggest issue with the wrong password is, ssh actively disconnects.
09:10
<alkisg>
OK, but can't ssh be reconnected without X restarting?
09:10
<sbalneav>
Sure.
09:10
by making the code more complicated.
09:10
:)
09:11
<ogra>
:)
09:11
<sbalneav>
Which makes it bigger
09:11
<alkisg>
Ah, c'mon, it's just a while :P :D Seriously though, it does have a penalty on classroom usage, wrong passwords for the first 1-2 attempts are very common
09:11
<sbalneav>
alkisg: If it's just a while, feel free to add it in :)
09:12
but it isn't
09:12
<alkisg>
I _did_ put some funny faces after that particular sentence.
09:12
:D
09:12
<sbalneav>
ldm, as it stands now, is kind of ugly.
09:13
what's *really* needed is to turn it into a full glib app, with a main_loop.
09:13
What I was hoping we'd do in Brazil was hack up a rough implementation of ldm3
09:14
that would handle those sorts of things we want, like re-spawning the ssh.
09:14* alkisg would like to see if it would be possible to ssh to the server _before_ starting X, and start gdm over ssh... no ldm, no ldm themes...
09:15
<alkisg>
But as ogra says, that's impossible without rewriting the lot
09:15
<sbalneav>
however, since most of the ltsp crew aren't going to be in brazil, I'd like to put it on the table for BTS in october.
09:15
Who you going to log in as?
09:16
if you ssh before X?
09:16
<alkisg>
A special "ltsp-user" with no rights except to run gdm...
09:16
With keys etc, not passwordless
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09:20
<sbalneav>
Then how's localdevs going to work? No ssh-control socket as the user.
09:20
Unless we switch over to all stuff going over xprops
09:21
but then, we're back to the "how do we clear out xprops" problem :)
09:21
<ogra>
and it will have to be reverted as soon as we switch everything to dbus :)
09:21
which has to run as the actual user
09:21
<rjune_>
ogra: is that a when or an if?
09:22
<sbalneav>
We're going to get forced to go dbus in the long haul.
09:22
<ogra>
rjune, thats a when
09:22
<sbalneav>
But I haven't had time to learn anything about it.
09:22
<matttttt>
what's dbus?
09:22
<sbalneav>
dbus is just a big black box to me now.
09:22
<ogra>
we have to do that at some point, all the desktop stuff depends on it more and more
09:22
<rjune_>
it's a magical box that provides event information about the desktop I think
09:23
<sbalneav>
matttttt: dbus is now the "standard" interprocess communication channel of the linux desktop.
09:23
<ogra>
you wont be able to do any maintenance wortk without policykit, and local devoce stuff without devicekit etc in the future
09:23
all these elementes rely 100% on a proper dubs setup
09:24
<sbalneav>
Of course, the problem is, dbus over a network (which we need) is either a) not well understood, or b) not implemented at all :)
09:24
I'm currently unsure
09:28
<ogra>
its there since ages
09:28
the probs are different
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<ogra>
you need to merge both dbuses (the one on the client and the one in the server session)
09:29
but then the reciving bus needs to know where a message comes from and act accordingly
09:29
thats the part missing atm
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<lal00>
if I install ubuntu or opensuse in a server (for LTSP), the install goes fine, X Windows runs ok. But, if I use the same exact hardware as a client, as soon as X is about to start the PC crashes. This leads me to believe that the hardware is compatible with ubuntu and opensuse but when used as a client something is not being loaded, what could it be?
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<dmaran>
Quick question about apcupsd and LTSP, we are running it and all is well except for the alerts. Everyone gets them(the gui notifications), not just admin group. Is anyone familiar with this setup and willing to offer some pointers? Thanks
10:32
<matttttt>
like, it crashes crashes, or does x just bomb and fail to start?
10:33
<lal00>
matttttt: the pc stops being responsive, reboot needed
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<matttttt>
client boots but crashes as ldm is starting?
10:35
does it still respond to ping or ssh attempts?
10:35
perhaps login remotely and check out /var/log/ldm.log
10:35
<sbalneav>
lal00: Can you tell us about the client? What type? How much ram? What video card? etc.
10:36
<lal00>
let me check the ping, the PC has 1GB ram and a ATi RS690 video card
10:37
<matttttt>
you can probably check your dhcpd logs to see which ip the client leased if you aren't sure what to ping
10:40
<lal00>
yes, I can ping and I can initiate a ssh connection, what user should I use to log in? using the same user than on the server doesnt work
10:41
<matttttt>
i think that depends on the distro
10:41
opensuse is root/linux
10:41
<lal00>
I get an error message saying that permissions are restrictive
10:41
ok
10:41
that worked
10:42
*checking the ldm.log*
10:46
everything seems "fine", the only error (EE) I see is that it tries to find a wacom device
10:47
also, I see "Detected Monitor Type: 0"
10:48
sorry, that is in Xorg.7.log
10:48
<sbalneav>
lal00: Looks like the card itself has some problems
10:48
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/+bug/367409
10:48
Is this integrated video, or can you try a different video card?
10:49
<ogra>
sbalneav, there are two drivers (at least in ubuntu)
10:49
<sbalneav>
Yeah, he's on suse I think.
10:49
<ogra>
yeah
10:49
<sbalneav>
I've just giggling about on the card :)
10:50
<matttttt>
maybe you can try specifying the video driver for the client to use
10:50
<ogra>
heh
10:50
<sbalneav>
That was the first link to pop up
10:50
<lal00>
I have tried this in ubuntu and opensuse with the same results
10:51
<ogra>
tried what ?
10:51
<sbalneav>
lal00: So can you try a different card?
10:51
<lal00>
its an embedded card
10:51
<ogra>
using XSERVER=ati in lts.conf on ubuntu ?
10:52
<lal00>
(this is a small Acer Aspire l5100 pc)
10:53
<pimpministerp>
mind
10:54
<matttttt>
lal00: grep XSERVER /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf on the server
10:54
<lal00>
ogra: yes, I have tried XSERVER=ati
10:54
I just did again just to be sure
10:55
<ogra>
not sure that works on suse though
10:55
<lal00>
heh, I tried XSERVER=vesa, and, while it doesnt yet work, I see some video
10:56
<ogra>
yeah, that should always work
10:56
just very slow on most cards
10:57
<lal00>
slow as in unusable? we only need firefox :P
10:58
<ogra>
that really depends ... i have seen via cards where it smarts out the native driver and is really fast
10:58
only a test will show
10:59
(though that indeed indicates a broken native driver :) )
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<lal00>
thanks a lot to all for your help :)
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<bieb>
cliebow: you around?
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<cliebow>
yo!!
12:47
bieb, yo!!
12:48
<bieb>
one sec
12:48
hey
12:48* Lns thought for a second, 'hmm..i haven't seen "bieb" before, what does it stand for?' =p
12:49
<bieb>
is there a website for the BTS conf?
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<cliebow>
idont think so yet..lemme look
12:49
<bieb>
Lns: I am a noob on LTSP... and bieb stands for the first part of my last name
12:49
<Lns>
bieb: =)
12:50
<bieb>
I know.. very original... :D
12:50
<cliebow>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
12:50
last years
12:50
<bieb>
cool
12:50
I mentioned it to my boss yesterday...
12:51
this morning.. he was like.. when are you going to get me that conference info so I can get you signed up for it?
12:51
<cliebow>
WOw!!
12:51
<bieb>
I know
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<bieb>
but he said.. since you are going to be managing it in the labs.. you should go
12:53
<cliebow>
that is awesome..i can show you the stuff i do..though i am not sue i will even have a lab
12:53
<bieb>
do you work in education also?
12:54
<cliebow>
ellsworth schools..really from here to Steuben to Eastbrook..30 mile radius
12:54
<bieb>
very cool
12:56
<rjune_>
bieb: every year cliebow hosts a pancake breakfast at his house.
12:56
<bieb>
saweet
12:56
pancakes and Lobster?
12:56
<rjune_>
cliebow: and I've committed you now. :-)
12:57
bieb: I jest, his house is close to the BTS location, but he does not host breakfast. though I remember his school hosting a community event
12:57
<cliebow>
rjune_ i cant take that away from Scotto.. but he certainly cne use the house
12:58
<bieb>
rjune_: no prob... I didnt expect him to host breakfast.. :D
12:58
<cliebow>
my wife doesnt seem all that interested in being debauched like the rest of us
12:58
<bieb>
hmmm wonder why???
12:58
<hgrover>
Hi, would any of you be able to help me with my blinking cursor on thin client boot problem?
12:59
<cliebow>
Scottie did a grand job feeding everyone last year
12:59
<bieb>
Scottie a local like you cliebow?
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<cliebow>
no he is from Canada..Trask is closest to me..about two hours
13:00
<rjune_>
Gadi isn't *too* far, relatively speaking
13:00
<bieb>
ohhh
13:00
<cliebow>
like ten hours 8~)
13:01
<Lns>
hehe, Gadi is in my neck of the woods right now actually (Northern California) - we're going out to have a few drinks tomorrow =)
13:01
<cliebow>
i owe gadi about 50
13:02
<Lns>
hahaha
13:02
<rjune_>
you better pay up, you know how those New Yorkers get about their money
13:02
<cliebow>
this year i will bring him his own minikeg of Heineken
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<Lns>
=p I hope to pay for all of mine..i'm a lightweight anyway
13:03
Heineken minikegs rock!
13:03
<cliebow>
these guys bring out the worst in me
13:03
<Lns>
hgrover: have you already asked the q before I got here?
13:04
<hgrover>
I have askd it before, no response before
13:04
<Lns>
hgrover: you mind pasting it again?
13:04
<cliebow>
hgrover: blinking screen..or cursor
13:04
<hgrover>
right--on thin client boot, there's just a blinking cursor
13:04
restarting nbd fixes it, but that's a pain to have to do on a regular basis
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<hgrover>
(we're running ubuntu jaunty)
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<cliebow>
i think you will have t wait for one of the heavyweights
13:06
<Lns>
hgrover: ah i remember that now
13:07
<hgrover>
Lns: is there any kind of fix for it?
13:08
<Lns>
hgrover: I don't know, you said you did XSERVER = VESA right?
13:08
do you konw if your gfx chipset is supported? what kind is it?
13:09
<hgrover>
it is--like i say, i'm pretty sure this is an nbd problem, as restarting that fixes the problem
13:09
<matttttt>
i think i'm ditching gnome before we deploy a few hundred thin clients, it's too big of a resource hog.
13:09
what's everyone think for a bare bones wm? ice?
13:09
seems to be pretty snappy
13:09
<hgrover>
also it -usually- works, nbd just periodically needs to be restarted
13:09
<Lns>
bbl...conf. call
13:10
<cliebow>
matttttt, i use icewm and nautilus
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<matttttt>
cool
13:11
<hgrover>
ogra: I was told that I might want to talk to you about this (blinking cursor on thin client boot) problem
13:11
<matttttt>
my apps start blazingly fast under ice compared to gnome :)
13:11
at least on this dinky test server i'm developing with
13:12
i guess that should be no surprise
13:12
<cliebow>
i tried icewm and rox..but it was pretty ugly
13:12
course i am still in the dark ages with 4.1 and 2
13:12
<matttttt>
what's rox and nautilus
13:12
our users ideally are only going to have a few icons on their desktop
13:12
they don't need fancy menus
13:13
no shell, etc.
13:13
<cliebow>
icewm rocks for that
13:15
anyone one still have pics posted of bts2008?
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<matttttt>
where's the ldm config file? where i can configure what the login screen looks like, what options are available prior to login, etc.
13:24
<johnny>
lts.conf ..
13:25
what login screen looks like, you need themes for that
13:25
i don't think there are all that many available
13:27
<Drakonen>
xfce for a lightweight traditional desktop
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<matttttt>
johnny, ah, i don't see anything in my lts.conf that seems to make my ldm login screen give the user the 'sessions' menu, where they can choose window manager.
13:32
i'd like to force a default and get rid of that menu completely
13:52
<sbalneav>
matttttt: Currently, there's no way to do that.
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<matttttt>
hmm, that sucks.
14:00
<rjune_>
sbalneav: how does selection take place?
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<Lns>
matttttt: someone was talking about that a while back, and thought it'd be a real good idea to config out the ldm menu options
14:28
it definitely would be nice to get ldm a bit more configurable
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<matttttt>
where does it get the list of avail window managers?
14:34
to stick in 'sessions'
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<erieslabhu>
I am back alkisg and I now have my server ;)
14:39
<alkisg>
Ah, ok :)
14:39
<erieslabhu>
I have my network interfaces file all jammed up now lol
14:39
but it is running with switch and all
14:40
just need to learn the config stuff
14:40
<alkisg>
Hm? So, you're ok or not?
14:40
<erieslabhu>
I will have it figured out by the day's end
14:40
lol
14:40
thank you for asking though
14:40
<alkisg>
Good luck :)
14:40
<erieslabhu>
all the PC's do have an intel PXE thin boot thingy built on
14:41
so that is a plus cause that gpxe is not simple to figure out
14:41
<alkisg>
Nah, it's really simple
14:41
<erieslabhu>
of course if my DHCP server were working it might be easier lol
14:41
<alkisg>
But why did you mess with the interfaces file? Didn't the alternate cd installer fix it ok for you?
14:42
erieslabhu: what version is that, 9.04?
14:42
<erieslabhu>
I don't know Time Warner was here after the install and I think I should have let the auto installer set it up from the start. I think I am gonna format and just reinstall the alternate cd again
14:42
9.04 Alternate
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<alkisg>
erieslabhu: wanna try an automatic installer I've made?
14:43
<erieslabhu>
yes will try anything at this point
14:43
<alkisg>
It'll use dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server and I assume will have you ready in some minutes :P :D
14:43
<erieslabhu>
very cool
14:44
<alkisg>
How many nics? 2?
14:44
<erieslabhu>
2 yes
14:44
<alkisg>
Do you know how to add a ppa ? https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa
14:44
<erieslabhu>
1 is 100 the other is giga
14:44
I will learn
14:44
<alkisg>
Let me find the commands...
14:45
<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "add alkisg ppa" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/377
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<alkisg>
erieslabhu: execute the lines that show there ^^^
14:46
Copy/paste all of them together in a terminal
14:46
<erieslabhu>
ok
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<alkisg>
After that, just do: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-pnp
14:47
That's all, it should work ok now.
14:48
<erieslabhu>
ok will take me a moment no copy in paste on machine with no nic :)
14:49
<alkisg>
Heh... wait, let's fix that first then
14:49
because without internet you won't be able to download the package
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<erieslabhu>
lol
14:52
I was AFK typing all that
14:52
sorry
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<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "interfaces for erieslabhu" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/378
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<alkisg>
Do: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces and paste this ^^^
14:52
Then reboot the server.
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<nicros>
is there an ltsp repo for SLES 11?
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<erieslabhu>
reboot the whole server or just reset the network?
14:55
sorry nicros I am very new I do not know
14:56
nvm it needs whole server :)
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<alkisg>
erieslabhu: well, your network could be really really screwed for `sudo invoke-rc.d networking` restart to fix... I'd suggest a restart :D
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<erieslabhu>
that invoke likes to tell me failed
14:59
but have not tried it in a few hours
14:59
ya still not nics found, will reinstall.
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<alkisg>
no nics after restart?
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<erieslabhu>
when asking to see connection info it says...
15:00
<alkisg>
Did you *reboot* the server in such a little time?
15:00
<erieslabhu>
error displaying connection info: no valid connections found
15:00
restart button, not unplugging it
15:00
it boots in like 20 seconds
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<alkisg>
Wow... :)
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<erieslabhu>
i will do full power down maybe power has something to do with it?
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<alkisg>
No no
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<erieslabhu>
it is clean install no startup apps
15:01
<alkisg>
No need for that
15:01
what does `ifconfig -a` tell you?
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<erieslabhu>
I think it sees them there
15:02
two ports are shown
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<alkisg>
eth0 and eth1 ?
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<erieslabhu>
with packet transfer
15:02
yes
15:02
both
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<alkisg>
Which one is eth0, the one facing the internet or the ltsp clients?
15:03
<erieslabhu>
Eth0 was facing the switch before i messed it up
15:03
eth1 was facing the modem
15:03
but i don't know now
15:03
<alkisg>
Ah, we got them upside down
15:04
<erieslabhu>
nothing was physically unplugged if that help
15:04
alkisg they have to be
15:04
<alkisg>
can you switch the cables?
15:04
<erieslabhu>
the one facing the modem is only 100m, the one facing the switch is gigabit
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15:04
<erieslabhu>
must i reverse or will it not be noticable?
15:04
<alkisg>
OK, then change /etc/network/interfaces
15:04
<erieslabhu>
ok
15:04
simply swap the name?
15:04
<alkisg>
Do this: sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop
15:04
Then swap the names
15:05
Then sudo invoke-rc.d networking start
15:05
<erieslabhu>
ok
15:06
done
15:07
I would love if linux could be simply like a tyco computer :) 4 buttons multicolored - like a toy
15:07
<matttttt>
the cow says, mooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:07
<alkisg>
Heh... well, if you didn't mess with the interfaces file from the beggining, you could do them easily from network manager
15:08
<erieslabhu>
haha
15:08
thanks
15:08
<alkisg>
Got net now?
15:08
E.g. try "ping www.google.com"
15:08
<erieslabhu>
no not yet
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<erieslabhu>
unknown host
15:10
<alkisg>
what does ifconfig -a tell you?
15:10
Did eth1 get an ip address?
15:11
<erieslabhu>
yes it does
15:11
eth0 does not appear to have one though
15:12
eth0 says inet6 addr: fe80: :21d blah blah
15:12
<bieb>
how can you check to see if you have icewm installed, to make it an option for the clients?
15:12
<erieslabhu>
eth1 says inet addr: 192.168.0.254
15:12
<alkisg>
Erm, then you didn't reverse the names or didn't restart the network
15:13
<erieslabhu>
would it have installed automatically from the alternate cd?
15:13
ok
15:13
perhaps I did it wrong
15:15
hmmm it looks right in the interfaces file
15:16
eth0 with teh static ip and eth1 with the dhcp server
15:16
networking start commend responds saying ok?
15:16
command*
15:17
it would have been better for me to have not argued and simply swapped the wires
15:17
<alkisg>
Heh
15:18
<erieslabhu>
seriously this thing takes only a few minutes to reinstall, would I be much closer to getting this working if I were to reinstall a fresh system?
15:18
or is the port speed gonna hang me up either way I go?
15:18
<alkisg>
Why would the port speed be a problem?
15:19
<erieslabhu>
the guy I talked to on here Saturday, said if I am not running the network at 1000 all the way, the only 100 port should be the connection to my modem from the server, everything else at 1000
15:19
I am only looking to serve 10 thin clients
15:20
he said throughput would be a problem no matter the specs of my server
15:20
that is why I was scared to swap the cable line for the switch line
15:20
<alkisg>
You need gigabit from at least the server to the switch
15:20
<erieslabhu>
yes that I have
15:20
as long as the eth0 and eth1 are swapped
15:20
<alkisg>
Clients? 100mbps?
15:20
<erieslabhu>
yes 100
15:20
for clients
15:21
<alkisg>
And nic? realtek, intel..?
15:21
<erieslabhu>
I think intel across the board
15:21
all intel pxe boot software
15:21
but not 100% on the nics
15:21
<alkisg>
No, I meant the server gigabit nic
15:21
Not the clients
15:22
<erieslabhu>
I honestly don't remember
15:22
let me look up the mobo
15:22
<alkisg>
There's a thing called flow control, which should be disabled in the gigabit link between your server and the switch.
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<alkisg>
You can either do that from your switch, if it's managed, of from your nic, if it supports a program called ethtool
15:23
If you don't disable flow control then the network speed will actually be 100mbps :(
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<alkisg>
See that link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
15:24
<erieslabhu>
the switch has flow control
15:24
I read that Saturday too
15:24
before I bought the switch
15:24
<alkisg>
You *don't* want flow control
15:24
<erieslabhu>
LMAO
15:24
<alkisg>
Flow control will bring down your bandwidth to 100mbps
15:24
<erieslabhu>
Let me grab my switch box
15:26
I think I messed up.... is 100mbps enough for my clients to use google docs or gmail?
15:26
<alkisg>
It doesn't have a gigabit port?
15:27
<erieslabhu>
the switch is 10/100
15:27
16 port
15:27
I will be ordering an upgraded switch today
15:27
didn't realize I bought the wrong one
15:27
<alkisg>
Well, with not even one gigabit port it'll be slow
15:27
gmail and google docs will be fine, though
15:28
<erieslabhu>
I have the gigabit coming out of the server, but didn't even think of the switch requiring it across the board in order to accept it in from the server at that higher speed
15:28
screw up, not enough thought put in at the checkout line
15:29
can the switch be swapped out after setup or is it also a config issue?
15:29
<alkisg>
I didn't understand that "across the board" thing you said. So does it have 1 gigabit port or none at all?
15:29
No, you can swap the switch with no change in the configuration whatsoever
15:30
<erieslabhu>
Netgear ProSafe 16-port 10/100 Desktop Switch, nothing says gigabit anywhere on the switch box. I only have a single gigabit NIC in the server the other is 10/100
15:31
When I said across the board, I was thinking in the store that the port the server used would be capable of any speed. However on the switch it seems all ports are the same, nothing dedicated for an input
15:31
I know it's funny I have never done this before :)
15:31
<alkisg>
OK... go on with the setup and change the switch tomorrow :)
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<erieslabhu>
ok I am going to restart, since this change didn't seem to take effect
15:35
ok!
15:35
I am back!
15:35
online again
15:35
alkisg, with all sincerity - thanks for the time and help
15:36
<alkisg>
You got internet now? :)
15:36
<erieslabhu>
yes I do indeed
15:36
<alkisg>
Wow! :D
15:36
Time to boot the clients...
15:36
<erieslabhu>
I can try
15:36
<alkisg>
do: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
15:36
<erieslabhu>
no dhcp config or nothing ?
15:36
ok
15:37
<alkisg>
does it say "running"?
15:37
<erieslabhu>
failed:fail
15:37
check syslog for diagnostics
15:38
<alkisg>
What does ifconfig -a say now?
15:38
<erieslabhu>
oops you said status
15:38
I sent wrong command
15:38
ok failed still
15:38
where at exactly I have a screen full from ifconfig
15:39
what is lo and pan0?
15:39
<johnny>
pan0 is from bluetooth
15:39
<erieslabhu>
ok
15:39
<johnny>
lo.. is local.. always exists
15:39
<alkisg>
OK paste this: ip -o -f inet addr show
15:39
<erieslabhu>
ok thank you, I just seen local loopback
15:39
<alkisg>
This has less output it should be more clear :)
15:39
<erieslabhu>
yes much clearer
15:40
<alkisg>
One nic should be from dhcp, and the other 192.168.0.254
15:40
<erieslabhu>
eth0 192.168.0.254
15:40
eth1 inet 192.168.2.2/24
15:40
eth1 is from my modem then right?
15:40
<alkisg>
Yes
15:41
Sounds good. Try: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
15:41
<erieslabhu>
do you know what the last /24 is ? it is on both NIC cards IP's
15:41
<alkisg>
Yes, that's a short way to say that the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0
15:41
<erieslabhu>
ok
15:41
restart failed
15:42
check syslogs
15:42
<alkisg>
Dargh. Had you messed with dhcpd.conf ?
15:42
<erieslabhu>
I feel my face turning red....
15:42
I don't think but maybe
15:42
<alkisg>
Heh :)
15:42
<erieslabhu>
I probably did
15:42
I was reading a simple 3 step instruction blog on how to do this
15:42
<alkisg>
do: sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
15:43
<erieslabhu>
it ended up being like 9 pages
15:43
I got lost and came here
15:43
ok
15:43
<alkisg>
And then paste the one I'll give you shortly:
15:43
<erieslabhu>
that command was in my terminal so i know I musta have messed it up too
15:43
<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "default dhcpd.conf for erieslabhu" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/379
15:44
<alkisg>
Paste, save, and: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
15:45
<erieslabhu>
started I think!
15:45
I can copy and paste now too ;)
15:45
yes status says running
15:45
<alkisg>
OK, try to start a terminal
15:45
(thin client)
15:46
<erieslabhu>
I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:46
well kinda
15:46
lol
15:46
<alkisg>
Heh :)
15:47
<erieslabhu>
it actually had a DHCP thing come on, loads of numbers and stuff
15:47
detecting display settings now
15:47
<alkisg>
cheers! Don't forget to change the switch, and don't forget the link about what to do with the flow-control thing
15:47
<matttttt>
loads of numbers = good
15:47
<erieslabhu>
it is at a login screen!!!!!
15:47
so many more questions now LOLOLOLOL
15:48
I am going to camp here for weeks is that ok?
15:48
<jammcq>
erieslabhu: it's ok, that's what I do
15:48
<alkisg>
Feel free to do so :)
15:48
<erieslabhu>
I need to pretend to be an admin for a while till I can learn some basics ;)
15:49
<alkisg>
johnny: you use dnsmasq with ltsp, right? I've made a package named ltsp-server-pnp which uses dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server and automatically configures it for ltsp.
15:49
Would you mind putting your dnsmasq.conf to pastebin for me so that I can look at it and maybe find some useful things to include to my package settings?
15:49
<erieslabhu>
It would have been so easy if I hadn't have touched any config files!
15:49
<alkisg>
Yes, it should work out of the box with 2 nics
15:53
<erieslabhu>
alkisg that dnsmasq.conf you asked about are you asking from me?
15:54
Now to use these thin clients, I must create user accounts on the server itself for each user correct?
15:54
<johnny>
yes
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15:55
<johnny>
alkisg, mine is currently very messed up.. i need to clean it
15:55
i was doign many things trying to figure out why it was getting the wrong root server
15:55
<alkisg>
johnny, if you don't have any sensitive data in it, i don't mind if it's messed up, I just want to see which of the directives you actually use
15:55
<johnny>
that's the mypoint
15:56
i have a bunch of possibly useless directives now
15:56
<erieslabhu>
Laughing aside is it at all possible to have each user use a pre-configured floppy to automatically log them in? Like a redneck smart card?
15:56
<johnny>
erieslabhu, why?
15:56
oh.. i keep thinking about that wrong :)
15:56
<alkisg>
johnny: wasn't it the dhcp-no-override option?
15:56
<johnny>
i just use autologin for terminals
15:56
alkisg, it might not be
15:56
i might not even need it
15:56
<erieslabhu>
long story, the people using the thin clients are mentally challenged, would make it easier if they simply had 'a key'
15:57
if not we can write their login info on the monitors ;)
15:57
<johnny>
depends on if you have specific chairs for specific people
15:57
or the computers get shared
15:57
if it is the first, you can enable autologin easy
15:57
<erieslabhu>
no we do not, they are random seats daily for social reasons
15:57
<johnny>
ah
15:57
ok.. then sure.. if you want to play around, you might be able to get such a thing working
15:58
<erieslabhu>
is that where gpxe would come into play?
15:58
can the login info be saved directly to the disc image?
15:59
<alkisg>
erieslabhu: it would be possible with gpxe passing LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD as kernel parameters (and with a little bit of patching the initramfs), yes, but you'd have to reboot the clients for each different user
15:59
<erieslabhu>
completely acceptable
15:59
ok I am off to read about gpxe
15:59
I will idle here
15:59
thank you all so much
16:01* alkisg thinks that it should be possible to pass *any* lts.conf parameters as a kernel parameter :(
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<alkisg>
erieslabhu: you'll need a patched gpxe, see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
16:03
It allows for an external gpxe.txt file with settings in it.
16:04
<erieslabhu>
ok
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<erieslabnx>
ok I have created a user and it tries to verify the password, eventually it comes up with 'No response from server, restarting' error, then flashes the screen to the login again
16:30
any guesses
16:31
<vagrantc>
!release
16:31
<alkisg>
You need to update the image because you changed i
16:31
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
16:31
<erieslabnx>
like rebuild the thin client?
16:31
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: do: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys, and then : sudo ltsp-update-image
16:31
<erieslabnx>
ok
16:31
thank you, I should have guessed that one :)
16:33
is this only done for account settings or is it done enough that I should rebuild daily?
16:34
<alkisg>
It's because you changed the ip of eth1
16:34
<erieslabnx>
ok
16:34
<alkisg>
You shouldn't need to do it again
16:34
<erieslabnx>
you guys are like experts on this stuff :)
16:36
<matttttt>
some of these guys actually write this stuff :)
16:37
<erieslabnx>
open source is such a different approach, everyone is so unlike the traditional IT people, they all like open and sharing and helpful
16:37
<alkisg>
Yeah, it's the first channel I see where actually the devs are here and willing to help... cheers to all of them
16:38
<erieslabnx>
hooray for that yes, but I just a guy walk me through step by step setting up a network, that could so easily be deployed to a school with 200 kids. That is high dollar networking skills, offered as a free generous kind service to the community
16:39
you just don't get that anywhere in the world
16:39
it worked alkisg, i just logged in on the thin client with the new account
16:40
<woot>
erieslabhu, How many computers in your school for 200 kids ?
16:41
<erieslabnx>
no no I am not a school, I own a dayhab for mentally challenged adults who would like to learn many skills, computers among them. I will be deploying 50 seats with Edubuntu using the LTSP system.
16:42
The first 10 seats will be running in the next 10 minutes. But 3 hours ago the server was still in the box!
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16:44
<vagrantc>
alkisg: first packaging suggestion for ltsp-server-pnp: you need to build-depend on debhelper (>= 7)
16:44
alkisg: and adjust debian/compat accordingly
16:44
<alkisg>
thanks!
16:45
<vagrantc>
debhelper 6 was basically replaced overnight by debhelper 7
16:45
<woot>
eheh nice, erieslabnx
16:45* alkisg is really new at packaging
16:48
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and can drop the build-dep on po-debconf, i think.
16:48
<erieslabnx>
ok I have the first 10 users added and in the same group. Is there a way to place a file on the desktop of the entire group, or is that more of an Ubuntu question?
16:49* stgraber uploads one more LTSP, this time numlockx will be installed and it should hopefully boot with unionfs-fuse ...
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16:50
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and you can remove debian/conffiles entirely.
16:50
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ok, removed. Most of the files were copy/pasted from the `update-motd` ubuntu package and some other packages :)
16:50
vagrantc: debian/conffiles, sure?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, anything installed in debian/install will be marked as a conffile
16:51
<alkisg>
I want debconf to warn the users if they happen to modify the template files and a new version is shipped...
16:51
<vagrantc>
alkisg: in really old versions, you had to do it explicitly. but that was a long time ago.
16:51
<alkisg>
OK
16:52
vagrantc: so then how can I define that "/etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-pnp.conf" is *not* to be maintained by debconf ?
16:52
(It's autogenerated)
16:52
<vagrantc>
alkisg: you'd have to generate it from debian/postinst
16:53
<alkisg>
Hmm and remove it manually if the package is uninstalled?
16:53
<vagrantc>
alkisg: handle that in postrm
16:53
<alkisg>
ok, ty
16:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: though, could the if-up.d hook handle that?
16:54
alkisg: well, at least handle the creation ...
16:54
<alkisg>
Yes, it'll generate it
16:54
I just put it in install so that it shows that it belongs to my package
16:54
<vagrantc>
so no need to have it in the package at all, probably?
16:54
<alkisg>
(i.e. dpkg -S <file>)
16:55
Yes, I just need to remove it if the package is uninstalled, I guess...
16:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: shouldn't have autogenerated stuff in /etc, though ... probably need to put a symlink in /etc/ to /var/run or /var/cache or something
16:55* vagrantc still hasn't gotten to the point of testing it yet
16:56* vagrantc seems to recall an issue with mixing GPL2 with GPL3
16:56
<alkisg>
OK, I thought about putting it to /var/run, I just wasn't sure what was the right thing to do
16:56
Hmm? What's GPL2 in the package?
16:57
<vagrantc>
alkisg: if we integrate it upstream, or in the debian/ubuntu packages, it's all GPL2 or GPL2+ so far
16:57
<alkisg>
Ah. OK, GPL2+ it is, then :) I thought people were moving to GPL3, except for the kernel...
16:58
<vagrantc>
maybe someday we will, but i've never really taken the time to review it
16:58
that's why i encourage GPL2+, as it allows us to switch to GPL3 if needed.
16:58
<alkisg>
I think the main problem with GPL3 is drm, which I don't really care about
16:59
So anyway, GPL 2+ is just fine for me :)
17:00* alkisg had some other people testing ltsp-server-pnp today in both normal and proxy dhcp mode, worked fine for all the NICs they tried.
17:01
<vagrantc>
the proxy mode just sounds awesome.
17:01
<alkisg>
It even worked for NICs with non-intel stacks. So far, tested with realteaks, intels, broadcoms, and argons
17:02
about 20 different nics
17:02
<vagrantc>
oh, virtualbox's PXE boot is etherboot based ... that might not work...
17:02
<alkisg>
Yes it *doesn't*
17:02
Last gpxe works though
17:03
<vagrantc>
i'll have to dig up a real thin client...
17:03
<woot>
Hmmm i forgotten something : is it ltsp 5 or ltsp-cluster witch has been recently added to ubuntu's repositories since 9.04 ?
17:03
<alkisg>
(git version from rom-o-matic)
17:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but not earlier gpxe?
17:03
<alkisg>
vagrantc: you can use the iso from rom-o-matic
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<alkisg>
No, I've asked them to support proxy mode in April, and they did it at the end of May
17:03
<erieslabnx>
VirtualBox has a PXEBoot??
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17:03
<alkisg>
Yes
17:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'll build my new debian packages ... i've been watching the (non) progress on the ITP (intent to package) for gpxe in debian.
17:04
<alkisg>
Heh... Please ping me or mail me if you do \
17:04
I'd like to use them for a small python/gtk program that creates boot disks
17:07
<erieslabnx>
ok I think a majority of my following questions likely belong in another room, could someone suggest a good room for them? .... I wanna know how I force the same desktop background image on all users or a group of users, and how to adjust the Firefox bookmark toolbar so that my clients can not remove existing bookmarks?
17:08
I am not a control freak, but I am dealing with a very low mentality of users in a literal sense.
17:08
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: (1) set the background you want (2) run gconf-editor and navigate to /desktop/gnome/background (3) right click on the picture_filename key and select to set it as mandatory or as a default key
17:09
<erieslabnx>
that one was easy :)
17:09
<alkisg>
For firefox, you'll need lockPerf(), I don't know where you can find info. I do have it on my tutorial but it's in greek :(
17:09
Search the net for lockperf, if you don't find it ping me some other time.
17:09
<vagrantc>
alkisg: hrm. i get "bad dhcp-range at line 56 /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-pnp.conf"
17:10
<erieslabnx>
I think that may be in about:config while inside Firefox maybe?
17:10
<alkisg>
vagrantc: is that 0.1.5 version?
17:10
<vagrantc>
but there are only 51 lines in that file
17:10
alkisg: based on it, yes.
17:10
<alkisg>
There was a bug in 0.1.4...
17:10
<erieslabnx>
please continue your discussion, I am just bouncing all over in here now, I will be on for another 12 hours I am sure :)
17:11
<alkisg>
vagrantc: grep dhcp-range in that file?
17:11
<vagrantc>
alkisg: dhcp-range=255.255.255.255,proxy
17:11
<alkisg>
Woah
17:12
vagrantc: grep ltsp-server-pnp /var/log/syslog
17:13
<vagrantc>
alkisg: Proxy DHCP mode for eth0 ip=192.168.0.71/24 brd=255.255.255.255
17:14
<alkisg>
OK, that's definately the wrong broadcast address :)
17:14
output of : ip -o -f inet addr show
17:15
In my Ubuntu it goes like this: 4: wlan0 inet 10.160.31.10/24 brd 10.160.31.255 scope global wlan0
17:16
<vagrantc>
2: eth0 inet 192.168.0.79/24 brd 255.255.255.255 scope global eth0
17:16
that makes it force all communications go through the router
17:17
useful for restrictive firewalls, though i'm impressed this stupid DSL router does it by default.
17:17
<alkisg>
Hmmm so I need to change the script to use the NIC ip instead of the broadcast address.
17:17
I prefered the broadcast address to cover alias interfaces
17:17
But anyway, I need to change it :(
17:18
<vagrantc>
magic is always trickier than it looks :)
17:19
<alkisg>
vagrantc: but how will it answer to dhcp requests (need broadcasting) if all traffic goes through the router?
17:20
Anyway. Could you manually change that line in the .conf file, and just restart dnsmasq, to see if it works?
17:20
<vagrantc>
DHCP isn't probably handled the same.
17:20
<alkisg>
dhcp-range=192.168.0.79,proxy
17:21
and sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq restart
17:21
<vagrantc>
why 79 ?
17:21
<alkisg>
It just needs to be on the correct subnet
17:21
So using the NIC ip is the easier thing to do
17:21
But any number will do inside the subnet
17:23* alkisg thinks he'll use the "computed" broadcast address - hope that's computable by a shell script
17:25
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it worked!
17:25* vagrantc cackles
17:25
<alkisg>
Heh :)
17:26
Really, proxy mode is a bless!
17:26
The ltsp-server-pnp thing is mainly there to remove dhcp3-server :) OK, and to make it a little easier for the teachers
17:27
<vagrantc>
it also makes it a lot easier to demo LTSP on an existing network
17:27
<alkisg>
Yes, and if I could convince you that putting StrictHostChecking = false is _not_ any more insecure than with it = true, then it would even be possible with a dynamic ip :)
17:27
<vagrantc>
by worked, i guess i meant... booted. still get a busybox prompt ...
17:28
<erieslabnx>
alkisg are you sure I don't have to rebuild the image after setting the background as mandatory?
17:28
<alkisg>
erieslabnx, yes
17:28
<erieslabnx>
ok
17:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: works fine on debian with NFS :)
17:28
<alkisg>
(you don't have to)
17:28
<erieslabnx>
ok
17:28
<alkisg>
vagrantc: where did you get the busybox?
17:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: though really, the NBD+squashfs crowd needs to update /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
17:29
alkisg: through some way other than regenerating the NBD image
17:29
<alkisg>
Yes, if the keys were in the tftp like in opensuse, it would be easy
17:29
<vagrantc>
alkisg: got busybox prompt at mounting the root filesystem ... probably because i'm using NFS
17:29
<erieslabnx>
Could the location of the image file used as the background, not permit some users from loading due to access restrictions possibly?
17:29
<alkisg>
vagrantc: you need to put the nfsroot in pxelinux.cfg/default,
17:30
I didn't know what it is exactly so I didn't put it in the template :(
17:30
What's the kernel parameter for that?
17:31
I can put it there even for ubuntu, won't do any harm...
17:32
erieslabnx: did you set it as a default key or as a mandatory key?
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<erieslabnx>
both :P
17:32
<alkisg>
Heh!
17:32* vagrantc tries with pxelinux.cfg/default tweaked
17:32
<erieslabnx>
both at different times :)
17:33
<alkisg>
erieslabnx, so, if the user logs out and then back on, he should see a different background
17:33
<erieslabnx>
That's what I would have thought, it did change their background to a single color though.
17:34
<alkisg>
Try to logon as a different user and open the background with nautilus
17:34
To see if you have access to it...
17:34
<erieslabnx>
ok will try :)
17:36
failed to open input stream for file ?
17:36
Retry did nothing
17:36
<alkisg>
Ermm... where's that background? path?
17:36
<erieslabnx>
it is shared in my user account's public file
17:36
public folder rather
17:37
I can see the link/shortcut from all user screens by clicking home
17:37
That is why I assumed it was an access issue
17:37
<vagrantc>
wheee! it's booting LTSP
17:37
<alkisg>
So what's the result of: ls -lha /home/user/Public/background ?
17:38
<erieslabnx>
from the server or thin client?
17:38
<alkisg>
vagrantc: what did you have to put to default?
17:38
erieslabnx: from the server
17:38
<erieslabnx>
congratulations vagrantc!
17:38
<vagrantc>
ah, my sqeualing speakers on debian/squeeze problem!
17:39* vagrantc first noticed it when testing Gadi_eeepc's volume patches
17:39
<erieslabnx>
No such file or directory, but the same image is currently set as my own background
17:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc, also, I think it's time for a better/more "global" way to manage pxelinux.cfg/default, because I do it with a template, LTSP does it with BOOTPROMPT_OPTS and PXELINUX_CMDLINE and stuff... chaos :(
17:40
<erieslabnx>
is there a MORE 'public place' to store the file?
17:40
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: you just got the path wrong or something
17:41
<erieslabnx>
ok will play more :)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure, i've been meaning to rework all that for years
17:44
alkisg: you can probably find a blueprint on launchpad about that from 2007
17:44
<alkisg>
Heh :) I'll search!
17:44
So what did the trick? nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkBootMenu But PXE (the protocol, not pxelinux.0) also supports menus, e.g. like the one you saw "Press F8 to boot menu" etc
17:47
<vagrantc>
alkisg: boot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.79:/opt/ltsp/i386 ... though i still had left ip=dhcp at one point ...
17:47
alkisg: yeah, i saw that, too
17:48
pxe menus would add one more layer of flexibility, sure.
17:48
<lal00>
is it possible to disconnect a PC and when it reconnects, you can see what you were doing?
17:48
<alkisg>
vagrantc: Also I'd like your thoughts on how to best implement the configuration-file-changing thing, I've done it with templates, it suits me fine, but I don't think that's standard policy...
17:49
<vagrantc>
lal00: possible, yes. trivial, no.
17:49
lal00: you'd have to configure NX or VNC or something to handle that.
17:50
<alkisg>
lal00: doesn't opensuse have nomad for this
17:50
?
17:50
(I think lal00 uses kiwi-ltsp...)
17:50
<vagrantc>
yeah, nomad/xrdp supports that too.
17:50
<lal00>
alkisg: google'ing nomad
17:50
<vagrantc>
lal00: you might want to ask in #kiwi-ltsp, as they know kiwi-specific things
17:51
<lal00>
vagrantc: thanks
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17:53* alkisg has to leave to get some sleep, it's really late here... Thanks a lot vagrantc, I appreciate your help
17:54
<erieslabnx>
thank you alkisg!
17:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ah, worked by removing ip=dhcp and just specifying boot=nfs nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386
17:54
<alkisg>
yw erieslabnx
17:54
vagrantc: that's good, but I wonder how am I going to autodetect if nfs is used or not :)
17:54* alkisg wishes an /etc/ltsp/CONFIGURATION file was used :D
17:55
<erieslabnx>
does anyone have an opinion on the Thin Client Manager? Is it worth messing with or no?
17:55
<alkisg>
erieslabnx: not yet, use italc for now
17:55
bye all
17:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: well, thanks for all your work on this. it is really great!
17:55
<erieslabnx>
k :)
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<erieslabnx>
that alkisg is just awesome :) He helped soooooo much today!
17:57
<lal00>
how about limiting the applications a user can run but without unistalling everything? (so that root can still run some apps but users can only run, lets say, firefox)
17:57
<erieslabnx>
good call lal00!
17:57
<lal00>
erieslabnx: that was a question :P
17:59
<erieslabnx>
I know, it was a good one.
17:59
One I am curious about too, but nowhere near the time to tackle it yet
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<erieslabnx>
the gnome-conf looks like maybe a place to browse though
18:00
gconf-editor
18:00
just a guess it looked pretty powerful
18:00
I am new though so don't trust me
18:03
<vagrantc>
i guess sabayon is supposed to handle that sort of thing, but is broken sometimes.
18:04
restricting it on a per-application basis is fairly tricky, though, as many applications need to call a shell and assume certain programs are runnable.
18:05
<erieslabnx>
i tried to start italc and it says the service is not running or authentication keys are not installed. I went to my services and I see nothing listed for italc. is it a multi-part installation?
18:06
contact your admin.... I am really screwed now I don't have one of those people lol
18:08
lal00 there seems to be many things that can be disabled by using the lockdown editor too, but I don't know if that was meant to be used with LTSP
18:09
<vagrantc>
anything that could conceivably lock down users on a "normal" machine can largely be used in an LTSP environment too.
18:09
<erieslabnx>
nice
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<erieslabnx>
gonna reboot and see if the i-talc service is installed after that.
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18:29
<erieslabnx>
ok I have the clients booting into the server, now how do I modify their initial login screen?
18:31
<Treyh>
erieslabnx, what do you want to modify about the login screen? background?
18:31
<erieslabnx>
yes, is it as simple as copying an existing theme and modifying the .png files?
18:32
<Treyh>
erieslabnx, not really sure, I tried that and i broke everything :)
18:32
<erieslabnx>
lol
18:32
steering clear of that then
18:32
<Treyh>
erieslabnx, you could try that in the chroot, just make sure to back it up
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<erieslabnx>
ok, what about the GUI of the themes? I see where in the filesystem they are stored, but where in the interface do we choose what theme to use?
18:33
<vagrantc>
those are all packaged, so you can always re-install the themes.
18:33
you can set LDM_THEME in lts.conf, or use update-alternatives to select the preferred ldm-theme
18:34
oh, wait, update-alternatives may be debian/ubuntu specific
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<vagrantc>
LDM_THEME in lts.conf is the easiest...
18:34
<erieslabnx>
ok thank you :)
18:35
<vagrantc>
although you need ldm from post 20080219 or so
18:38
<erieslabnx>
ok
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<erieslabnx>
Treyh you still around?
19:11
oops
19:24
would sabayon work with ubuntu?
19:37
gnome configuration editor, desktop background it says THIS KEY IS NOT WRITABLE, why would it say such evil things?
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<try2free>
hi
20:13
anyone using dansguardian?
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<veryfrustrated>
hey, is anyone on?
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<try2free>
yes
20:55
<technic58>
can you see what i'm typing?
20:55
nickserv is being a royal pain in the ass
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<mib_sfi2lqyk>
hola alguien habla español?
23:01
hi.
23:01
i need some help.....
23:01
please.
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<johnny>
!ask
23:01
<ltspbot>
johnny: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
23:02
<mib_sfi2lqyk>
ok.
23:02
sorry.
23:03
i want boot from my nic card......
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3C905x
23:03
and i download the rom image from rom o matic....
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the gpxe one.
23:03
i use a m27c256B eprom memory.....
23:04
i check if the nic is enabled to boot from the socket..... with the 3com software...
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3C90XCFG.exe
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and nothing...
23:05
if anybody have some experience....
23:05
i confused.
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the idea is boot a thinstation or ltsp or open thin client....
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<alkisg>
mib_sfi2lqyk: try asking in #etherboot
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