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Channel log from 14 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<federicoco>
hi all....have you rdesktop screen.d script for ltsp5 ?
05:58
<ogra>
federicoco, i think Gadi has them, wait for him to show up
05:59
<cyberorg>
hi ogra
06:00
<federicoco>
ok thank u ogra
06:01
<cyberorg>
ogra: would it be possible to incorporate couple of changes to ldm that are required for suse?
06:02
<ogra>
sure
06:02
as long as they are writte in a way that they dont break for the other distros
06:02
*written
06:03
<cyberorg>
greeter = subprocess.Popen(['/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk'], suse 64 bit lib path is /usr/lib64
06:03
<ogra>
so you want to support 64bit thin clients ?
06:04
<cyberorg>
yeah
06:04
<ogra>
thats a very very rare case ...
06:04
<cyberorg>
people are requesting PPC support too :)
06:04
<ogra>
can you write a proper patch that checks if you are in a suse chroot and changes that value dynamically ?
06:05
<cyberorg>
for lib64?
06:05
<ogra>
you will have to redo half the package for using luib64 ...
06:05
dynamic installation path setting during package build for different arches etd
06:05
*etc
06:06
<cyberorg>
yeah, that we have we can specify --libdir=%{_libdir} macro during rpm build time
06:06
<ogra>
right
06:07
so add a patch to the python code to do something similar based on $VENDOR ...
06:07
and give me the branch url
06:07
<cyberorg>
ogra: only if i could code :) let me look up what i tried
06:08
<ogra>
($VERNDOR should be filled with the Distributor ID output from lsb_release)
06:08
<cyberorg>
greeter = subprocess.Popen(['/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk /usr/lib64/ltsp/greeters/gtk'] i tried something like that
06:09
<ogra>
thats ugly
06:09
create a self.greeter variable and put it in there instead ... fill that variable based on the lsb_release output
06:10
<cyberorg>
ok, i'll try doing that, if not will get someone who can code python, will send you patch as soon as i get em
06:11
another change required is Xsession location, it is in /usr/X11/xdm/Xsession not /usr/X11/Xsession which is hardcoded in ldm too
06:11
i've done the same ugly bit there too :)
06:11
<ogra>
same thing as above
06:12
<cyberorg>
so far that is all i have changed in ltsp code, ltspfs works out of box :)
06:12
<ogra>
you should add a check_vendor() function that sets such variables
06:13
<cyberorg>
we can have more generic solution with pkgconfig checks?
06:13
<ogra>
others might need different paths as well so we can add all distros in one place and dont have to change it inside the rest of the code
06:14
<cyberorg>
pkg-config --variable=libdir somepackage
06:15
<ogra>
we use lsb_relese everywhere and i'm not really keen on introducing autotools in ldm ...
06:16
<cyberorg>
ah, ok
06:18
LSB Version: core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-noarch:core-2.0-ia32:core-3.0-ia32 desktop-3.1-ia32 desktop-3.1-noarch:graphics-2.0-ia32:graphics-2.0-noarch:graphics-3.1-ia32:graphics-3.1-noarch
06:18
this is what i get from lsb_release
06:19
<ogra>
lsb_release -a|grep ID
06:19
<cyberorg>
Distributor ID: SUSE LINUX
06:19
<ogra>
right
06:20
match on that
06:20
<cyberorg>
ok, will try something with that
06:22
can you tell me why you use delayed_mounter instead of mounting /media as soon as user logs in?
06:23
<ogra>
delayed_mounter is used for devices that exist before a logging in
06:23
floppies etc
06:23
*a user is loggin in
06:24
or local HDs
06:24
<cyberorg>
mounting /media will give everything including all the devices mounted before or after user loggs in
06:24
<ogra>
how do you mount the ones that exist before and get no udev trigger ?
06:25
udev handles such devices *before* the ssh tunnel and socket exist
06:25
<cyberorg>
all the devices auto mounted shows up in /media/* before or after login
06:25
<ogra>
yes
06:25
but the initital trigger to mount them is handled by udev
06:26
for devices that are detected during boot you wont get such a trigger
06:26
<cyberorg>
yes, but they will still be in /media
06:26
<ogra>
delayed_mounter queues them up on boot and sends the trigger during login
06:26
<cyberorg>
we just mount ltspfs clientip:/media /mountpoint
06:26
<ogra>
we're talking about two different things here ...
06:27
i think
06:27
<cyberorg>
thing is delayed_mounter mounts each devices as they become available, mounting /media will mount everything regardless
06:27
<ogra>
no it wont
06:28
where would the device mounts on the client come from ?
06:29
<cyberorg>
does all the automounts show up in /media on ubuntu?
06:30
<ogra>
in /media/$USER/<devicename>
06:30
<cyberorg>
that is what is different on suse everything is mounted in /media/devicename
06:31
<ogra>
dont do that
06:31
that will give you hundrets of devices on the desktops of all users
06:31
(if you have hundrets of users)
06:31
<cyberorg>
you could try mounting /media/$USER and see if everything under that shows up
06:31
100 user on a client? nope
06:31
<ogra>
but that part will get redone completely soon anyway
06:32
100 users on a *server*
06:32
<cyberorg>
cleint sees only his local devices
06:32
<ogra>
we have way bigger setups out ther
06:32
so you have patched gnome/kde already ?
06:33
they usually show *everything* mounted in media
06:34
<cyberorg>
we have been seeing everything mounted in /media for a long time
06:34
<ogra>
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices will change everything on the server side
06:34
right not only the devices the user owns
06:35
waht we want is that we only see the devices belonging to one user ... i.e. the ones we can access
06:35
<cyberorg>
for ltsp i think we should mount localmedia in /home/$USER/ltspmounts to keep stuff separate from the server mounts
06:35
<ogra>
no
06:36
we wont touch the users home in any case for system level stuff
06:36
thats the most evil thing you can do
06:36
the system (even suse i guess) has functionallity to handle thst, use it
06:36
*that
06:37
<cyberorg>
wouldn't putting in /media be a nightmare with 100s of devices in /media
06:37
<ogra>
not if you have per user subdirs in there
06:37
<cyberorg>
we dont
06:38
<ogra>
then your ltspfs implementation is broken ... ltspfsmounter should create and dlete them
06:39
but as i said, all that is obsolete with the above spec
06:39
<cyberorg>
ogra: yeah, i have not used ltspfsmouunter, just tried manual ltspfs cleint:/media /home/$USER/ltspmounts
06:39
<ogra>
hal will take care of it in the next release
06:39
<cyberorg>
next release, when? :)
06:39
<ogra>
oct
06:40
the release for which we disussed implementaion specs the last ten days :)
06:40
<cyberorg>
hmm, so can't meet openSUSE 10.3 release, will be around that time
06:43
let me see if i can get suse/novell developers interested in this then we can have something to test soon
06:43
<ogra>
make them take a look at the spec
06:44
<cyberorg>
yeah, couple of guys working on thin client have said they will work with us :)
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
;)
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<Blinny>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound seems to be a bit outdated.. is there a newer source for sound info?
07:55
<ogra>
jammcq, around ?
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
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08:08
<ogra>
jammcq, i got udp running ...
08:08
<jammcq>
oh?
08:08
and...... ?
08:08
<ogra>
9secs for our testfile on the inital run
08:08
<jammcq>
whoa
08:08
<ogra>
0.522 on the second
08:08
<jammcq>
no way
08:08
100mb ?
08:09
which client?
08:09
<ogra>
i have to solder a cable on the powerbrick first, so i did my testing with the classmate for now ...
08:09
<jammcq>
oh
08:09
that's why it's so fast
08:09
it's no the 200mhz unit
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08:10
<jammcq>
did you try the classmate with tcp ?
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<ogra>
not yet
08:10
<jammcq>
so we have nothing to compare that 9 secs to
08:10
<ogra>
i'm not really sure why my chroot works and highvoltages didnt
08:11
i'll build a new chroot during the day with the defaults ...
08:11
<jammcq>
something was messed up on his chroot
08:11
<ogra>
the one i'm testing with is my classmate flashing root i wont modify anyway
08:11
<jammcq>
it got too late in the day to look at it
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08:11
<ogra>
yeah
08:11
but it seems we'Re on the right track
08:12
<jammcq>
I sure hope so
08:12
<ogra>
iirc i tested with the classmate before and got something around 23secs
08:12
but i might remember that wrongly
08:12
<highvoltage>
perhaps there was something funky installed on my laptop
08:12
(although, afaik it's all pretty much standard)
08:14
<jammcq>
hmm
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<Blinny>
I've recently upgraded from K12v5 to K12v6. Sound has become broken in the process for multiple terminals.. I think the cards (pci) are still being found, though. I've tried Gideon's recommendations (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2) but still no love. Is there a step-by-step method of checking where I'm going wrong?
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08:25
<Blinny>
I have two testing terminals. One is a SBLive! that is found correctly (start=shell and lspci finds it), the other is a Ensoniq ES1371 that also is found the same way.
08:28
The sound servers on both terminals report listening on port 16001
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<Blinny>
Damnit.
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<Blinny>
Okay, good. Now I have flash sound working, but not xmms/totem
08:47
gstreamer-properties outputs file when I switch to esd
08:49
It looks like xmms is configured for ALSA
08:53
Okay, xmms-esd solved that.
09:02
gnome-sound-properties is set up to use esd
09:02
Why on earth is totem soundless??
09:09
<ogra>
are you using the xine backend for it by chance ?
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09:09
<Blinny>
Si.
09:10
Do I need to gstreamer it instead?
09:10
<ogra>
indeed or make xine use esd
09:11
<Blinny>
Thank you ogra I'll work along this route.
09:12
<fxrsliberty>
hello all
09:13
could some one help me recompile our initrd to work better with the LTSP 150's
09:13
<jammcq>
why does the initrd need to be recompiled ?
09:15
<ogra>
udp 10.9M/s , real: 9.420s
09:15
tcp 11.6M/s , real: 8.887s
09:15
jammcq, ^^^
09:15
:(((
09:15
<jammcq>
ogra: hmm, not much better
09:15
<ogra>
no, rather the opposite
09:15
<jammcq>
actually, a bit worse
09:15
which doesn't make sense
09:16
<ogra>
i'll do tests on the 200Mhz thingie ...
09:16
<jammcq>
I talked to mdz on friday, and he believed that udp would speed things up alot
09:16
<ogra>
but need to solder around a bit first
09:16
well, mount shows proto=tcp/udp as expected
09:16
<fxrsliberty>
it doesn't seem to be able to load all the way , but yours works and ogra
09:16
<ogra>
i havent had wireshark running yet
09:16
<jammcq>
fxrsliberty: lots of people are using T-1540'
09:17
err
09:17
Lots of people are using T-150's and LTSP-5
09:17
<fxrsliberty>
the initrd built with kiwi seems to be different
09:17
<jammcq>
fxrsliberty: how big is it?
09:18
<fxrsliberty>
I have 60 of them and ltsp 4.2 and ubuntu's is great the new one for opensuse is not so good yet
09:18
<jammcq>
so you need kiwi help, not ltsp help
09:19
<fxrsliberty>
i need to no what goes on inside yours that ours is missing
09:19
it's 17.9 meg
09:19
<jammcq>
wow
09:19
<ogra>
oof
09:19
<jammcq>
what the hell is in that thing.... the kitchen sink?
09:19
<ogra>
tcos ?
09:19
<fxrsliberty>
i don't no
09:19
prolly some default
09:20
<jammcq>
either way, the T-150 should be able to load it
09:20
<ogra>
even though it might take ages to unpack
09:20
and tftp ...
09:20
<fxrsliberty>
i've left it over night
09:20
<jammcq>
I can't imagine it taking more than 5 seconds to load
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09:20
<jammcq>
17mb isn't all that big
09:20
!s
09:20
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:20
<sbalneav>
Morning all!
09:21
<ogra>
!s
09:21
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:21
<sbalneav>
!monkeys
09:21
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
09:21
<ogra>
heh
09:21
<sbalneav>
Everybody make it back home safe and sound?
09:21
<ogra>
fsvo safe
09:21
i had a horrible trip
09:21
<sbalneav>
What happened?
09:22
<cyberorg>
jammcq: hi, this is what is in the suse netboot initrd http://pastebin.ca/487480
09:22
<ogra>
it started with me having typoed my reservation ... so i was booked on the 11th
09:22
and had to buy a new ticket for the 12th ...
09:22
<jammcq>
ogra: whoa
09:22
<ogra>
then both of my flight were delayed
09:23
<cyberorg>
is there a list of things that goes in ltsp initrd somewhere that we can have a look?
09:23
<ogra>
so i missed the last tram in hannover to get to the train station ... weher i in turn missed the train then
09:23
<sbalneav>
ugh
09:23
<ogra>
and for extra bonus my luggage got lost
09:23
<sbalneav>
Suckage!
09:23
<jammcq>
meanwhile, sbalneav and I had a great trip back
09:23
<ogra>
luggage will arrive tomorrow ... and i'm sitting in my living room now ... so all fine in the end
09:24
<jammcq>
well.... at least as far as Detroit
09:24
<sbalneav>
The rest was good too.
09:24
Exit row on DTW->MSP
09:24
1st Cl. MSP->YGW
09:25
<fxrsliberty>
hey guys, what package on the 4.2 iso holds the initrd?
09:25
<jammcq>
kiwi includes reiserfs !!!! ummm
09:25
<ogra>
ouch
09:25
<jammcq>
fxrsliberty: 4.2 iso ?
09:25
<fxrsliberty>
ltsp 4.2
09:25
<ogra>
i bet it includes *everything* with thst huge size
09:25
<jammcq>
iso ?
09:25
<fxrsliberty>
yup
09:25
<jammcq>
fxrsliberty: the kernel package includes the iso
09:26
<fxrsliberty>
was thinking of unpacking your initrd and looking around
09:26
<jammcq>
it's got a lot less than the kiwi has
09:26
<fxrsliberty>
ok so let me ss in yours and make ours better
09:26
<jammcq>
ss ?
09:26
<ogra>
ubuntus only has the NIC and keyboard drivers
09:27
<fxrsliberty>
see
09:27
do you load a tmpfs?
09:27
<jammcq>
fxrsliberty: first off, we don't include glibc
09:27
yeah
09:27
<ogra>
we do in ubuntu
09:27
<jammcq>
glibc is HUGE for an initramfs
09:27
ogra: you include glibc ?
09:27
<ogra>
but only the libc6.so file
09:27
yes
09:27
<jammcq>
ah
09:28
<ogra>
all stuff is linked against klibc anyway i think libc6 is for compatiblity reasons ...
09:28
just sitting here
09:28
<jammcq>
looks like kiwi is using all the BIG stuff, rather than the slimmed down klibc and busybox stuff
09:28
<ogra>
or probably udev makes use of it ... i didnt bother looking yet
09:29
but even includion everything that shouldnt prevent you from booting ... i guess the problem lies elsewhere
09:29
*including
09:29
<jammcq>
PXES was using a much larger initrd without problems
09:30
<ogra>
yeah
09:31
<cyberorg>
we want to figure exactly that out, what is missing in spite of kitchen sink being in there :)
09:32
<ogra>
see above you only need the NIC modules ...
09:33
and if you want input support in busybox the keyboard drivers
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09:33
<ogra>
oh207, and nfs indeed
09:33
meh
09:33
and nfs indeed
09:33
<cyberorg>
we got "drivers/net/*"
09:34
"fs/nfs/*"
09:34
<ogra>
right that should suffice
09:34
just dont put all the other stuff in
09:34
<cyberorg>
ok, will try that
09:34
<fxrsliberty>
what about the tmpfs
09:37
<cyberorg>
fxrsliberty: try taking sfuff out one by one and see what works ;)
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<ogra>
we mount the nfsroot in /root and change to that at the end of the initramfs booting
09:38
in ubuntu/debian with run-init ... 4.2 used a binary called switchroot ...
09:39
tmpfs isnt used in ubuntu/debian ... 4.2 twiddles with that though
09:39
(isnt used == isnt used for /, udev uses a tmpfs indeed)
09:41
<fxrsliberty>
that what i think the problem is > udev can't find a place to work
09:41
pardon my noob speak
09:41
<ogra>
udev should care for that itself ...
09:42
our udev initscript creates the necessary tmpfs mounts
09:43
<fxrsliberty>
does this init script do something that needs attention > http://pastebin.ca/487516
09:43
<ogra>
mount -n -t tmpfs -o mode=0755 udev /dev
09:43
mkdir -m 0700 -p /dev/.static/dev
09:43
mount -n --move /etc/udev /dev/.static/dev
09:43
thats what we use
09:45
<fxrsliberty>
sop this needs changing ? #======================================
09:45
# 1) Mounting local file systems
09:45
#--------------------------------------
09:45
mount -t proc proc /proc
09:45
mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys
09:45
mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts
09:45
closeKernelConsole
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<ogra>
well that depends on your udev implementation ... i'D talk to the udev maintainers in suse
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<joebaker>
I had another XCMCP shutdown of the server on Friday. To temporarily remedy this, I went into the Login preferences and blanked out the commands for shutdown, restart, suspend & hibernate. Now when they click the gnome-logout button it immediately shuts down the user's session.
10:04
ogra: sorry to hear of your travel difficulties.
10:05
<ogra>
joebaker, i'm used to that :)
10:06
http://www.grawert.net/weblog.cgi/2006/11/25/2006-11-25_15:51:10_Zen_and_the_art_of_travelling_to_eastern_europe.html
10:06
thats a typical trip of mine ...
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<Blinny>
ogra: Hrm. in xine, 'esd' is not an option for sound output. I see alsa, oss, file, but no esd.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
hi, why when I use the w command to see what users I have logged I just see root and one or two ltsp users? why I dont see all of them or none of them, why just one? I use ltsp4.2
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<Blinny>
gonzaloaf_work: Try this: last |grep still
12:46
<gonzaloaf_work>
Blinny, why does the command w is useless in this case?
12:53
<Blinny>
gonzaloaf_work: I don't know exactly why; I recall seeing this on the LTSP mailing list recently.
12:54
<gonzaloaf_work>
Blinny, let me check
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<dan__t>
'morning.
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<ogra>
jammcq, measuring in virtualbox proves the former values right ...
13:25
udp 2.4M/s , real: 42.763s
13:25
tcp 3.6M/s , real: 28.656s
13:26
intrestingly i seem to get no nfs caching in the virtual machine ... the second and third run dont differ much
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13:38
<jammcq>
ogra: are you getting no caching on both tcp AND udb ?
13:38
s/udb/udp/
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13:39
<mhterres>
afternoon
13:39
<ogra>
yep
13:39
<jammcq>
hmm
13:39
<ogra>
i think thats a vm thing
13:39
<jammcq>
ogra: I'm assuming thats on the e2300 ?
13:39
<ogra>
nope
13:39
virtualbox
13:39
<jammcq>
oh
13:39
have you tried the 2300 yet?
13:39
<ogra>
i havent digged up my soldering iron yet to have a proper cable on the power brick
13:40
<jammcq>
why do you need to solder something?
13:40
don't you have an adapter?
13:40
<ogra>
not one euro->us ... only us->euro
13:40
<jammcq>
bummer
13:41
<ogra>
i rarely use us wallplugs over here :)
13:42
<jammcq>
yeah, I rarely us euro wall plugs on this side of the pond
13:42
<ogra>
indeed :)
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<ogra>
jammcq, which libc do you use in the 4.2 initramfs ?
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<jammcq>
uclibc
13:50
I think
13:50
<ogra>
dietlibc ? klibc ?
13:50
ah
13:50
<jammcq>
hmmmmmm
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<jammcq>
yeah, it's uclibc
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13:51
<ogra>
i wonder how i can get that into the 5 one without rebuilding all binaries ...
13:52
<jammcq>
well, I don't see how it could matter for performance. possibly before the switchroot is done, it could matter, but that's fairly early in the booting
13:53
<ogra>
right
13:53
but nothing we tired yet gained us anything
13:53
*tried
13:53
i'm slowly running out of ideas where to look
13:54
<jammcq>
yeah, it worries me
13:54
<ogra>
me too
13:54
<jammcq>
how about that message about the cpu might be 'unstable'
13:54
I don't think we see that with ltsp-4.2
13:54
<ogra>
you are to tied to the e2300 :)
13:55
<jammcq>
it's not just me. soon, lots of people will be tied to it
13:55
<ogra>
that bug is there generally ... its just exposed more on the 2300
13:55
<jammcq>
but, does it put the kernel into a degraded mode or something?
13:55
<ogra>
might be
13:55
but didnt you show that to BenC ?
13:56
<jammcq>
no, I don't think we did
13:56
<ogra>
in your first sessions
13:56
oh
13:56
<jammcq>
lemme fire up my laptop, and try booting ltsp-4.2 on the e2300, and see if the message appears
13:56
<ogra>
well, lets go to #ubuntu-kernel show them the exact message and see what they think :)
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<jammcq>
good idea
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13:58
<ogra>
do you have the exact wording there ?
13:58
<andrea>
hi, I install an ltsp server in edubuntu server 7.4; I create few user with the same name of the hostname of the client. I need to autologin them, can somebody help me? Please
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<ogra>
jammcq, hmm, looks like BenC took the day off or something ... i know i saw him around this morning
14:00
andrea, ldm cant do autologin yet ... you will need to resort to gdm which means local devices wont work
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<andrea>
i know nothing about perl, but i have a perl script that give me the correct username.
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<ogra>
well, look up how to set up autologin with gdm ...
14:02
<andrea>
Is really hard to integrate this script in ldm?
14:03
<ogra>
to switch edubuntus ltsp to XDMCP with gdm, you need to enable it in the gdmsetup tool ... and add the line "SCREEN_07=startx" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
14:04
yes, there is no way yet to do it in ldm
14:04
you need to fiddle a lot with ssh keys etc ...
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<ogra>
ldm is ssh based
14:05
sdm might be an option to do it via ssh, but i dont think thats documented anywhere you would have to study sdm a bit ...
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<ogra>
and replace ldm with sdm in the client envoronemnt
14:05
*anvironment
14:05
gah
14:05
*environment
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<jammcq>
ogra: ltsp-4.2 also gives the message:
14:06
<ogra>
aha
14:06
<jammcq>
CPU: Vendor unknown, using generic init
14:06
<ogra>
then its not it
14:06
<jammcq>
CPU: Your system may be unstable
14:07
<ogra>
i thought you said something like "4.2 has it too" when i asked first
14:07
<jammcq>
that was too long ago for me to remember
14:07
<ogra>
so thats not it either
14:08
<jammcq>
welp, it appears that's not the problem
14:09
<ogra>
i'll get a new usbdisk these days and check how slow a local boot from usb is ... you guys only tested the installer, right ?
14:09
<jammcq>
right
14:09
<ogra>
ok, i'll test with a copied chroot
14:09
<jammcq>
k
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<privet>
hi all
14:29
I need some tips/suggestions on fixing a problem I have with a specific terminal
14:29
running ltsp4.2 on fc4
14:29
X runs nicely
14:29
but I am unable to get a normal terminal to work...
14:30
the screen just goes into a mode where it looks like the resultion/vsync is to high
14:30
but it is not, since X is running fine
14:30
any suggestions/tips?
14:31
<jammcq>
what do you mean by "normal terminal" ?
14:32
<privet>
bash terminal
14:32
<jammcq>
like xterm or gnome-terminal?
14:32
<privet>
sorry: "shell"
14:32
<jammcq>
or are you talking about setting 'SCREEN_01 = shell' ?
14:33
<privet>
*exactly*
14:33
I have SCREEN_01 = startx
14:33
<jammcq>
so, if you set SCREEN_01 = startx, everything works just fine. but if you set SCREEN_01 = shell, you have problems ?
14:33
<privet>
and screen_02 shell
14:33
<jammcq>
and when do you see the problem?
14:34
<privet>
yes- startx is fine, but doing ALT-F2 to switch to the shell screen
14:34
<jammcq>
ah
14:34
what kind of video card do you have?
14:35* privet double checking that...
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<privet>
jammcq: "nx cx 5530A chipset"
14:36
<jammcq>
ah
14:37
too bad
14:37
<privet>
the "pc" is a IB300
14:37
too bad? yes?
14:37
<jammcq>
some video chipsets, including the geode 5530 have problems switching from graphics mode to character mode
14:37
<privet>
hhhmmmmm
14:37
too bad (for me) then
14:37
<jammcq>
yeah, unfortunately
14:38
<privet>
I have the same issue when not running startx at all
14:38
when only running screen_01=shell
14:38
I can also boot slackware (from a local compactflash) and works just fine
14:39
<jammcq>
what video driver is it using?
14:39
hmm, SCREEN_01 = shell is also giving you trouble?
14:39
that's odd
14:39
<privet>
you see: without a local shell, how do I check what driver is it loading?
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14:41
<moquist>
jammcq: hey there
14:41
<jammcq>
hey moquist
14:41
<cliebow>
moquist:hey there
14:41
<moquist>
jammcq: I didn't realize it last week, but it turns out that thin client boot time is very important to my schools. (Apparently we have low-end hardware I didn't know about.)
14:42
So I'm trying to figure out how to speed things up now. :)
14:42
<jammcq>
moquist: using ltsp-4.2 or ltsp-5 ?
14:43
<cliebow>
4.2 Rocks
14:43
<moquist>
jammcq: edubuntu feisty and edgy are both slow.
14:43
<jammcq>
yeah, we spent all last week on this issue
14:43
still working on it now
14:43
<moquist>
the TC I'm using right now takes 4.5 min to get LDM up and going.
14:43
<jammcq>
:)
14:43
<moquist>
jammcq: OK.
14:43
<jammcq>
what kind of thin client?
14:43
<moquist>
jammcq: yeah, I was going to get you those specs. hang on.
14:44
celeron 650Mhz
14:44
128MB
14:44
<ogra>
woah
14:44
<moquist>
I think it's shared video memory
14:44
<jammcq>
whoa, you are seeing that kind of problem on a 650 ?
14:45
<ogra>
thats extremly slow for such HW
14:45
<moquist>
yep
14:45
no kidding...so maybe we have something else slowing us down, if this is abnormal.
14:45
<ogra>
for me usually everything >500Mhz with 128M boots around 90sec or less
14:45
<moquist>
Our purchased, production TCs take 1-2 min to boot.
14:46
ogra: Hmmm.
14:46
<ogra>
feisty on a 900Mhz system even around 60sec
14:46
<moquist>
k
14:46
<jammcq>
ltsp-4.2 on a 200Mhz system, around 41 secs :)
14:46
<ogra>
(which is still to slow imho, but not really 4.5min)
14:46
<moquist>
ogra: How can I watch the log during boot?
14:46
<jammcq>
sorry, had to throw that in
14:46
<moquist>
(so I can see what's taking so long)
14:47
<ogra>
moquist, drop splash and quiet from the pxeconfig line
14:47
<moquist>
ogra: k; will do
14:47
<cliebow>
moquist:wanna take quiet splash out of pxelinux.xfg
14:47
hreh
14:47
<ogra>
i assume its some hw they have builtin
14:47
are these refurbished desktops ?
14:47
<moquist>
ogra: I don't think so. Just old.
14:49
<ogra>
i have one compaq workstation with onboard scsi controller and some old ... that takes minutes but also on non ltsp boots
14:50
*old disks
14:51
<moquist>
k. rebooting TC now. I only have one network jack here, so I'll be gone for a bit. :p
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<moquist>
screw this. I'm going downstairs where I can have TWO network jacks. :)
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14:55
<bellis>
Anybody using ltsp5 with the jammin 125 from Diskless Workstations?
14:56
<moquist>
starting kernel event manager took a while
14:56
starting the LTSP client is taking quite a while
14:56
<ogra>
moquist, thats edgy, right ?
14:56
<moquist>
ogra: yes
14:56
ogra: I can test with feisty instead. I'll go back to the office.
14:56
<ogra>
remove the xfonts* packages from the chroot
14:56
<moquist>
ogra: k
14:57
<ogra>
leave only -base in place
14:57
that should speed ldm up
14:57
<moquist>
xfontsel?
14:57
<ogra>
for the "setting up ltsp client" step it helps to have a static xorg.conf for these clients, that skips the autodetection
14:57
<moquist>
xfonts-utils?
14:58
<ogra>
no -75dpi, 100dpi, scalable, misc etc etc
14:58* moquist nods
14:58
<ogra>
x loads all of them to ram ... i dropped these packages completely from feisty
14:58* moquist nods
14:58
<moquist>
er, --nodeps or something? it wants to remove xorg, which I want to keep...
14:58
<jammcq>
bellis: for j-125's, it's still preferred to use LTSP-4.2
14:58* moquist reads the man page
14:59
<jammcq>
there's been some reports of problems with ltsp-5 and J-125's
14:59
<ogra>
moquist, you dont want to keep xorg
14:59
<bellis>
jammcq, I figured, I was finally able to get it boot by running mknbi to generate a new netboot file
14:59
<jammcq>
is it working ok for you?
14:59
<bellis>
jammcq, but now getting the X to work correctly is being a bit difficult
14:59
<ogra>
moquist, its just a metapackage
14:59
<bellis>
jammcq, yeah its working
15:00
<moquist>
ogra: I'm going to stop doing this on our edgy production server and go back to the feisty testing server. :)
15:00
<bellis>
jammcq, if you go into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 (on fiesty)
15:00
<ogra>
moquist, well, feisty has these changes
15:00
<moquist>
ogra: It's feisty we really want to work with these clients, so I should just stop screwing around here.
15:00
<ogra>
ah
15:00
<moquist>
I just wanted to see how slow edgy was in comparison.
15:00
<ogra>
well, static xorg will help a lot
15:01
<bellis>
and run mknbi-linux --output=blah.nbi --rotdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img
15:01
<ogra>
and dropping the fonts as well
15:01
<moquist>
ogra: K. back online in a bit...
15:01
<bellis>
it boots each time
15:01
<ogra>
bellis, the shipped nbi.img didnt work ?
15:01
<bellis>
ogra, no it wouldnt boot it gave me a segment in reserved area error
15:01
<jammcq>
ogra: I heard somebody else have a problem with the shipped nbi last week
15:02
<bellis>
ogra, when I checked, the working ltsp 4 images were NBI format and the new images are ELF format
15:02
ogra, but when I created a new one using NBI it worked properly
15:02
<ogra>
bellis, could you file a bug about that in launchpad and attach the steps you needed to it ?
15:02
i'll make sure it ges into gutsy
15:02
*goes
15:02
<bellis>
ogra, sure thing, what is the link to launchpad?
15:03
<jammcq>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug
15:03
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug
15:03
gah, jammcq bets me
15:03
*beats
15:03
:)
15:03
<jammcq>
heh
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<moquist>
ogra: in feisty, hardware detection took a long time, and setting up swapspace was slow
15:12
<ahz>
I am trying to play videos via mplayer. When I do -ao null -vo x11 it works or -ao esd -vo null it works but -ao esd -vo x11 freezes on a blue screen.
15:13
<moquist>
15 seconds between the screen blanking (X starting) and seeing the "X" cursor
15:14
ogra: 60 seconds between seeing the "X" cursor and getting the LDM screen
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<bellis>
During client bootup, what process is generating the "0 value set 0 true..." messages?
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<bellis>
Ahh, that seems to be when its reading the lts.conf file (I added some entries and noticed it added additional lines)
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<bellis>
Yay! I have a working LTSP5 install with graphics
15:37* moquist high-fives bellis
15:37
<bellis>
jammcq, in case you run into it, I had to set most of the X options in the lts.conf, it was not friendly to scanning
15:38
the best thing is that when you get it running right, you don't have to mess with it again for so long
15:39
we have a manufacturing facility where they use these, those terminals have been running non stop for 1-2 years except for power outages and no maint on them
15:39
<Gadi>
hey, gang - if an iface in Ubuntu comes up as eth1_ifre what does that mean/
15:40
<jammcq>
hmm
15:40
neat-o
15:40
bellis: can you show me what the settings are that you use?
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<bellis>
jammcq, this was with a Sony Multiscan 200sx as the monitor
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15:41
<bellis>
What is a good site to link text?
15:42
<jammcq>
!pastebot
15:42
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
15:42
<jammcq>
actually, it would be great if you'd put it on the wiki
15:42
on the 'clients' page
15:42
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients
15:42
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#Jammin_125
15:43
<ltsppbot>
"bellis" pasted "lts.conf settings for ltsp5 and jammin 125" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/133
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<bellis>
jammcq, okay I will edit the wiki once the lock opens up
15:45
<jammcq>
bellis: should be open now, I just released it
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<privet>
when you specify a custom xorg.conf file using XF86CONFIG_FILE: is the value the absolute path to that file?
16:36
or should it be in a specific directory? (using ltsp4.2)
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<alfred_>
is there local device support in ltsp 5 on the clients?
17:43
<moquist>
ogra: I'm building a kernel with Jim's config from here: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7039447/config_2.6.20-ltsp
17:44
ogra: Any hack I can put in place easily ("easy" is a checkbox requirement here) that gets the TCs booting more quickly will at least buy me time.
17:45
If I have a kernel .deb that I can point to ("Just install this in the chroot"), that'll be good enough.
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<davidj>
jammcq: Ping
18:56
Hello, everyone. What's new?
18:58
<jammcq>
hey
18:58
how you doin?
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19:10
<moquist>
jammcq: hey! you're back.
19:10* moquist is still at work
19:10
<moquist>
jammcq: I'm trying out your kernel config from http://librarian.launchpad.net/7039447/config_2.6.20-ltsp
19:11
but I only gets a kernel panic so far :(
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<jammcq>
moquist: did you build a new initramfs to go with it?
19:19
<moquist>
jammcq: I used make-kpkg with --initrd, so yes.
19:19
<jammcq>
umm, no
19:20
umm
19:20
no
19:20
<moquist>
eh? ok...
19:20
<jammcq>
you need to do 'update-initramfs' inside the chroot
19:20
I think, anyway
19:20
<moquist>
hmm.
19:22
jammcq: not enough to chroot and dpkg -i the .deb, and then ltsp-update-kernels from outside the chroot?
19:22
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ has new initrd.img, nbi.img, and vmlinuz that I built.
19:22
<jammcq>
umm, I'm an ltsp-4.2 guy, I really don't know what all you need to do for ltsp-5
19:23
<moquist>
np; I don't really know, either. :)
19:23
it's a HUGE initrd - 22125683
19:23* moquist isn't sure why
19:23
<jammcq>
heh
19:23
yer doing something wrong
19:24
<moquist>
I took stock 2.6.20 (the linux-source-2.6.20 package), dropped your config in, did 'make oldconfig', and then the stuff I said above.
19:24
<jammcq>
you need ogra
19:24* moquist nods
19:32
<moquist>
jammcq: I have no idea what happened with the first one, but in a second attempt I used the same config (yours) and then modified it further myself (I took out wireless, etc.). That one is booting just fine.
19:32
jammcq: also, the initrd this time is 3044618 big instead of 22125683.
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<comfrey>
hey all...
19:38
for some reason, my boot on a 4.2 client is halting at "Enter runlevel:
19:38
i will add shell to screen_01
19:38
and see
19:38
<jammcq>
sounds like you are using the wrong kernel
19:39
<comfrey>
ah, good point.
19:39
<jammcq>
like a ltsp-4.1 kernel with ltsp-4.2
19:39
<comfrey>
i downgraded from 5
19:39
<moquist>
jammcq: my kernel boots now, but it's slower than the first one 8\
19:39
<jammcq>
comfrey: or a ltsp-5 kernel with ltsp-4.2
19:39
<comfrey>
exactly
19:40
what is the kernel name for 4.2?
19:40
<jammcq>
vmlinuz-2.6.17.8.ltsp-3
19:41
or something close to that
19:41
<comfrey>
ok, i will check the dhcp.conf
19:45
ok, i think this will be better
19:46
ok, file not found...
19:46
a tftp thing
19:46* comfrey checks
19:48
<moquist>
jammcq: do you know how much I would have to do to switch to XDMCP (instead of LDM+ssh) and get sound and USB drives working?
19:48
<jammcq>
moquist: sorry, that's not yet supported
19:48
<moquist>
jammcq: :)
19:50
jammcq: I didn't figure it was "supported", but I figured it wouldn't be *too* bad to copy a bunch of 4.2-ish things in to set env vars and the like, and to use X properties to pass usb mounts, etc. But maybe it *would* be too bad. :\
19:50
<jammcq>
well, when you say it like that, it sounds easy. sadly, there's alot of plumbing to be done, to actually make it work. If it was easy, we would have already done it
19:50
<moquist>
the greeter ('gtk') pegs the CPU on this laptop for 1:20 before I can log in.
19:51
jammcq: right.
19:52
ah, well.
19:52* moquist heads upstairs with a K12LTSP Cd
19:52
<jammcq>
moquist:
19:52
you could just install ltsp-4.2 on ubuntu
19:52
<moquist>
hmm.
19:53
I could install ltsp-4.2 on this very same edubuntu server.
19:53
<jammcq>
that's what I'm saying
19:53* moquist nods
19:54
<comfrey>
grrr. file not found
19:57
<moquist>
jammcq: is grabbing the "Ubuntu Breezy" package for local dev support the right thing to do?
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<jammcq>
umm
19:58
<petre>
evening all
19:58
<jammcq>
sbalneav is your friend on that one
19:58* moquist nods
20:00
<moquist>
jammcq: Ooooo. ltspadmin says "grep: /etc/inittab: No such file or directory" on feisty.
20:00* moquist doesn't yet grok upstart (or whatever the SysV init replacement is called)
20:00
<jammcq>
moquist: yeah, ltspcfg doesn't work so well on feisty. So, you just need to manually configure a few things. Changes are most of it is already configured
20:00
<moquist>
I think that's it...
20:01
jammcq: Yeah, that's what I figure.
20:02
<comfrey>
ok sweet
20:02
just an inet.d thing
20:03
<moquist>
jammcq: is ltsp-update-kernels an Ubuntu thing, or is it the right thing for me now?
20:03
<jammcq>
it's an ubuntu thing
20:03
<moquist>
k
20:03
<jammcq>
now, one thing you'll find is ltspadmin installed the kernel in /tftpboot. you'll need to move it to /var/lib/tftpboot
20:04
<moquist>
ahh
20:04
so I'll just change the pxe config and not mess with any update-y kernels things
20:05
(I just put lts in /var/lib/tftpboot
20:05
)
20:07* moquist is booting ltsp 4.2
20:09
<comfrey>
anyone know of cursor issues in rdesktop with via chipset?
20:09
<moquist>
bah! couldn't mount / via NFS. how could I screw that up?
20:10
<comfrey>
moquist: check your exports
20:10
<jammcq>
moquist: did you edit your /etc/exports file?
20:10
try: showmount -e
20:10
<moquist>
yes
20:10
spdc-ltsp /var/lib/tftpboot # showmount -e
20:10
Export list for spdc-ltsp:
20:10
/opt/ltsp *
20:10
/opt/ltsp-4.2 *
20:10
<jammcq>
did you change your root-path in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
20:10
<moquist>
I just successfully mounted it from another system.
20:10
jammcq: yeah. :(
20:11
<jammcq>
what does it look like?
20:11
<moquist>
option root-path "/opt/ltsp-4.2";
20:11
<jammcq>
ah, that ain't right
20:11
<moquist>
yay!
20:11
<jammcq>
should be /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386
20:12
also, for ltsp-4.2, you need the IP address in front of it
20:12
so, it should be like:
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"192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386";
20:12
<moquist>
10.10.1.101:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386
20:12* moquist nods
20:12
<moquist>
ok, trying again.
20:13
my boss is going to think I'm obsessing over this when he finds out how late I'm staying to do this.
20:14
"could not find lts.conf file"
20:15
nope. it's definitely not there.
20:15
<comfrey>
vnc is supported on a screen, yes?
20:15
<moquist>
comfrey: I think so. But I'm hardly an authority on that.
20:15
<comfrey>
just SCREEN_XX = vncviewer (options)
20:15
i assume
20:15
ok, will tryu
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<moquist>
jammcq: login screen in 38 seconds
20:22
<jammcq>
THAT'S what I'm talkin about
20:22
<moquist>
now I just need sound and USB
20:23* moquist high-fives jammcq
20:30
<moquist>
jammcq: following the breezy instructions worked like a charm
20:38
jammcq: is it even worth thinking about pulseaudio in 4.2?
20:38
<jammcq>
hmm, no clue what it would take to make that work
20:38
<moquist>
(I mean for me, right now. Not for everyone in general.)
20:38* moquist nods
20:39
<moquist>
This is very fast, but very silent.
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<petre>
ogra: isn't it the middle of the night for you?
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23:19
<ChinaForge>
Hello,Who have rdesktop screen script for ltsp 5.0?
23:21
<bgomes>
ChinaForge: I think dont have... what root-tree u using?
23:22
<ChinaForge>
bgomes,What is "root-tree"?
23:23
/opt/ltsp/i386?
23:25
<bgomes>
ChinaForge: what dist u using on your ltsp5 root tree ?
23:25
ubuntu/debian ? then made a apt-get install rdesktop with chroot no your root-tree of ltsp5
23:26
<ChinaForge>
Ubunt
23:26
Ubunt 7.04
23:27
Ubuntu 7.04 include rdesktop,
23:27
but i hope like ldm/gdm/telnet,
23:28
<bgomes>
u can use sdm
23:29
with sdm u can run rdesktop on ltsp5-client
23:29
<ChinaForge>
but need login to ubuntu first.
23:29
I hope run rdesktop immediacy.
23:30
<bgomes>
why? if u make the key rsa for you ssh-server you dont need login first
23:30
*your
23:31
<ChinaForge>
Too difficulty for me.
23:32
ltsp 4.2 have rdesktop screen script,
23:32
<bgomes>
ChinaForge: is easy learn about sdm in wki page of ltsp and you will use this easy
23:32
<ChinaForge>
I need set lts.conf SCREEN01=rdesktop xxx.xxx.xxx.xx only.
23:33
<bgomes>
ChinaForge: it dont working?
23:34
<ChinaForge>
ltsp 5.0 no rdesktop screen script.
23:34
<bgomes>
I am dont have ltsp now for testing for u, but use this and check if exit rdesktop binary on ltsp-client if not exist use apt-get install rdesktop on root-tree
23:35
or learn abou sdm it's easy
23:36
<ChinaForge>
ubuntu 7.04 include rdesktop.
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<ChinaForge>
I try sdm,Thank you very much.
23:39
<bgomes>
ChinaForge: good luck