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Channel log from 18 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<chupacabra>
happy birthday to me
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<toscalix>
jajaja
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<dean_za>
is updating the kenels inside the chroot recomended ?
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<generic>
hi all i have install ltsp5 in kubuntu al good i enable usb its working but when i copy some docs from thin client to win XP its not there i have to copy 2-3 times then its open in XP
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any idea?
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<Comete>
hi
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<Comete>
how can i know if a started thinclient uses its own swap or nbd_swap ?
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<Comete>
ls
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oops :)
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<generic>
guys how i send A3 printing from thin client using open office
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?
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<toscalix>
hi
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I'm trying to mount sata local device in ltsp 4.2 with debian 4.0The kernel for the client is 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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but there is no modules for sata
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in this kernel
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am I missing something or
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I'm doing something wrong?
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do I have to include them by hand?
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<toscalix>
i found it
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done
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<Nubae>
hey, has ltsp been ported to any of the bsds?
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<rjune>
historically LTSP is more a configuration then anything else.
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so yes.
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you can install it and run it on BSD
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it's been installed and run on wind32
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<Nubae>
really on win32?
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but what I meant is, has someone already packaged it like for debian/ubuntu/suse/fedora?
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<rjune>
no
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later stuff would require actual porting
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ltsp4.x is the only version I'm aware of that's been run on anything other then linux
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well, pre ltsp4
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<Nubae>
k, cool, might be worth trying to run 5.0 on freebsd
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<rjune>
viele gluck
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<Nubae>
heh...
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<rjune>
easier to do on bsd then on win32
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<Nubae>
I imagine :-)
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<chrisjrob>
any of you have sound working via rdesktop connecting to w2k3 on ltsp5?
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<alkisg>
´╗┐chrisjrob, yes, I have
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<chrisjrob>
is that from a screen script or from within a normal ltsp session?
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<alkisg>
Well, the screen script works ok,
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in a normal session the sound is played on the ltsp server, but***
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...let me found the command....
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padsp rdesktop -r sound:local host
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To redirect the sound to the client
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<chrisjrob>
thanks, that's fantastic to know it's does work...
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<alkisg>
But you waste bandwidth this way...
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Better to do it either with the script, or as a local app inside the ltsp session
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<chrisjrob>
Great pointers. For some reason padsp rdesktop -r sound:local bombs out with
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rdesktop: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
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as soon as sound is played within the rdesktop session
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<alkisg>
hmm, I've no details here, just found the tip, tried it, it worked for me and that was all, I don't use rdesktop because I don't have ts cal licenses!! :)
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<chrisjrob>
At least I know it *can* work - I will just have to persevere and/or try the alternatives you suggested!
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<alkisg>
Ubuntu 8.04
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<chrisjrob>
Thanks alkisg.
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<alkisg>
chrisjrob, you'll need gigabyte connection between ltsp/windows servers for this,
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better try the alternatives. You're welcome.
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<chrisjrob>
Thanks alkisg, we have gb, and all Windows sounds are switched off, so it *should* only be used occasionally
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<alkisg>
OK, no problem then. Just find a way to bypass the error.
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<rjune>
chrisjrob: have you confirmed that audio works on your terminal period?
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that error makes me think it's trying to play the sound, but it doesn't really.
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<chrisjrob>
yes sound works within LTSP fine
06:09
we upgraded from 4.2 and it was working then using esddsp
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just stopped working for rdesktop only when we upgraded
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<rjune>
Ah.
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rdesktop is running onthe terminal server or on the terminal itself?
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<chrisjrob>
rdesktop is working within the normal ltsp desktop
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<rjune>
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
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<rjune>
do you login to the linux server, then run rdesktop? or does rdesktop run dirctly on the terminal
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<chrisjrob>
the former
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<rjune>
ok, and you are using pulse audio?
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<chrisjrob>
yes
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<rjune>
have you used padsp with any other programs?
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<chrisjrob>
no, I haven't - that's a good idea
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<rjune>
that's why I get paid the big bucks.
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<chrisjrob>
hee hee - any why I'm not I guess!
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<rjune>
I think I'll give myself a 50% raise.
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crap, 150% of 0 == 0
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<chrisjrob>
oh well, think of the job satisfaction!
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<rjune>
LOL
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funny, my boss says that.
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<chrisjrob>
that's why *he's* paid thebig bucks!
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<rjune>
not to hear him he isn't.
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but then it's not politic to tell your employees you can't pay them much because you need a new car
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or two
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<chrisjrob>
too true.
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i guess i'd better reboot into a pxe session, so I can try this sound thing
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<rjune>
anyway, I hope you track down your problem, right now I'm guessing it's padsp that's holding you up
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<chrisjrob>
thanks rjune.
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<rjune>
chrisjrob: you might look at rebuilding rdesktop
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rdesktop -h makes me think that it may support other audio drivers.
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<alkisg>
chrisjrob, does rdesktop run OK locally? (screen script or local app?)
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<chrisjrob>
rjune I hadn't seen that option - I will test
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alkisg I haven't played with local apps yet, but I will try screen script
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<alkisg>
Anyway, you may run env DISPLAY=:6 rdesktop .... from a client console to see how rdesktop would look as a local app, to see if you prefer it this way.
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It will popup inside the ltsp session
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<chrisjrob>
I did not know that
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<alkisg>
But local apps still have a long way to be easy for users... :)
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<rjune>
that's why I asked, you were talking as if either way could be used.
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alkisg: that's true, but rdp is hardly a local app at this point. it's more like an alternate config.
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<chrisjrob>
I've been using seamlessrdp to try and make Windows work seamlessly
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painful
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<alkisg>
rjune, yeah, running things as root is not much of an alternative! Just to see how that goes...
06:23* rjune shrugs, rdesktop as root on a terminal? somehow I don't see that doing much damage
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<rjune>
historically you used to be able to do SCREEN_X = rdp
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<alkisg>
Well, if I understand the local-apps-plan correctly, users are supposed to be authenticated locally (on the client) and apps would run with their user id...
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<rjune>
that's local apps
06:24
i've never used ltsp5
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i was active in ltsp4
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<alkisg>
I've never used ltsp4, I'm new! :P
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But SCREEN_X works OK now as well
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<chrisjrob>
I was using ltsp4,2, but I was just finding it harder and harder to get newer PCs working
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<alkisg>
Pffft... newer clients... who needs them? Still have 10 year old PCs at school, can't find the money to even buy new mice... :)
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<chrisjrob>
but it was a nightmare having to store new pcs, whilst we continued to use decade old equipment
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but I still think 4.2 was great - and loads of advice everywhere to solve issues like mine!
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<alkisg>
Yeah, the documentation now is lacking, can't even tell if it's for 4.x or 5.0...
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(sometimes)
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<chrisjrob>
I think I can tell you now - it's 4.x!
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<alkisg>
:D
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<chrisjrob>
i better go and try and fix this problem, thanks all. back later.
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<alkisg>
bye!
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<ryudo>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot`>
ryudo: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <ogra> man Xsession says so, yes, but its not used or needed in ubuntu/debian where we rely on alternatives for that
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<ryudo>
Hi all
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<ryudo>
ogra good morning ;)
07:40
Ogra reminds you that yesterday I report a problem with the several floppy icons on the desktop?
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<ogra_cmpc>
i duplicated the bug already, yes
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<ogra_cmpc>
if that was yours
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<ryudo>
I do all updates of all repositories available, including the chroot and i rebuild de image
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<ogra_cmpc>
no need for that
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<ryudo>
and the bug has no solved
07:41
:(
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<ogra_cmpc>
the bits that needed fixing are all server side for that problem
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<ryudo>
you can help me to fix it ?
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i need apply any patch ?
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<ogra_cmpc>
no, just install the packages from hardy-updates
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reboot server and clients and you should be done
07:43
worked for everyone else
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<ryudo>
but i try all this and not fixed
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i will format my server
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<ogra_cmpc>
why ???
07:45
what do you expect to be better after formatting the server ?
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<ryudo>
I do not know what to do more ogra: (
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i updates , reboot and the problem persist
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<ogra_cmpc>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/210379
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<ryudo>
i read it
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ops
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i will read
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sorry ogra my english is terrible
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<ogra_cmpc>
Blinny apparently had to reboot all his clients for it to work, but beyond that i'm not aware that anyone had problems
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<ryudo>
the bug package is ltspfs correct ?
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i will remove
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and reinstall
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<ogra_cmpc>
no
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look at the bug
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(ltspfs is involved but only in a minor part of a one digit change)
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the bug itself is *not* against ltspfs
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<ryudo>
is in gvfs ?
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<ogra_cmpc>
right and glib
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<operador_>
ogra
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ryudo here :D
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look http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelasj7.png
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http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4531/capturadatelasj7.png
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<operador_>
johnny
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is ryudo here
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<operador_>
ogra
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http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelasj7.png
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operador@lstp-server:~$ apt-cache policy ltspfs
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ltspfs:
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Instalado: 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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Candidato: 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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operador@lstp-server:~$ apt-cache policy gvfs
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gvfs:
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Instalado: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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Candidato: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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operador@lstp-server:~$ apt-cache policy gvfs-backends
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gvfs-backends:
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Instalado: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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Candidato: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc: any opinion on the ldm proposals I wrote to the list?
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ogra_cmpc: I suspect it wont make any difference, but I wanted to check before I do it.
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<warren>
oh, I see the mail now
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<operador_>
gadi ! :D
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its me mario
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ops ryudo :D
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<Gadi>
buenos dias?
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:)
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<operador_>
buenas :D
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<Gadi>
ah, right
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Im precaffeinated
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<operador_>
gady my friend eehe you can help me a solve a litle bug ?
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:D
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<Gadi>
lemme get some coffee in me
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<operador_>
that one picture is worth a thousand words
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look this
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http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelasj7.png
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this bug second ogra has solved... but its not solved here :(
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<Gadi>
yeah - I think I heard about this - something with ubuntu hardy's move from gnome-vfs to gvfs
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there is a patch that needed to be applied
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or some such
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<operador_>
ogra say "make all updates and all will be fine"
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<Gadi>
if you suppress volumes_visible in gconf, does it help?
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ah, ok
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then, do that
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:)
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<operador_>
buts i make all updates and not resolved :(
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no i no suppress this option
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is needed ?
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<Gadi>
what repositories do you have?
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<operador_>
all in channel of software
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<Gadi>
be sure to add hardy-updates
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<operador_>
look http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelacanaisdesolg6.png
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gadi ? :(
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http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelagerenciadoel1.png
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<Gadi>
looks good
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<operador_>
all updates are instaled using the repositorys on screenshot
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<Gadi>
hmm...
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not sure
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<operador_>
:(
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<Gadi>
ogra is definitely the one to ask about this
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have you found any advice on launchpad?
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<operador_>
my guess is, this bug has not been resolved yet
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<Gadi>
I am sure there is a bug report about this
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<operador_>
ogra says that bug has been resolved and to fix it is necessary update server using hardy proposed repositorys
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but thia solution not resolve the problem
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mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 and try again :{
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<Gadi>
that seems a bit drastic
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<operador_>
ehehe :(
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I do not know what to do more
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ogra says this bug have fixed , however I see that is not :[
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<Gadi>
have you searched launchpad.net for the bug?
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<operador_>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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this the tcket
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I can confirm that this bug is now fixed. I had to reboot all the clients with local devices; after doing so the icons went away. Thanks for all the hard work in squashing these bugs!
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i try it too
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and nothing
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<chrisjrob>
Thanks to rjune I've managed to get rdesktop sound, but only by specifying oss as the sound driver
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padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss SERVERIP
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which seems wrong to me for LTSP5
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any thoughts anyone?
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<Gadi>
chrisjrob: nope, thats correct
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rdesktop still writes to /dev/dsp
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afaik
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it does not have alsa support
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<chrisjrob>
thanks Gadi, that's good to know, at least it's working okay now!
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although how Linux sorts itself out between alsa, oss, esd and pulseaudio will
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remain a mystery to me!
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<ogra>
operador_, so with every client you switch on you get an additional floppy icon on all desktops ? (thats beeen the bug) or does it only show these two everywhere ? there i would suspect that your servers floppy is simply showing up
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<operador_>
operador_, so with every client you switch on you get an additional floppy icon on all desktops ? yes
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6 clients
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<ogra>
chrisjrob, esd and oss are dead dogs since quite a while .... all you have left is alsa (drivers) and pulse (sound mixing)
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<operador_>
6 floppy
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i shot a screenshot to see you
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<ogra>
chrisjrob, not *that* hard to distinguish ;)
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<ogra>
operador_, that had only two floppies where i would suspect one to be the servers
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<chrisjrob>
operador_ except that oss is clearly still required to work with rdesktop
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<ogra>
well, its dead in the upstream kernel
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and i know no recent distro that supports it out of the box anymore
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<chrisjrob>
ogra (sorry operador_) except that oss is clearly still required to work with rdesktop
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<ogra>
about time someone fixes rdesktop :)
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<chrisjrob>
ubuntu seem to have a version 1.6 which is fixed I think
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<ogra>
not even flash uses oss ... and adobe isnt the fastest
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<operador_>
ogra
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look
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http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfloppyjn4.png
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4 Terminals logged....4 floppys !
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:(
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<Gadi>
Changes:
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A potential vulnerability against compromised ormalicious servers, as reported by iDefense, wasfixed. A crash with recent versions of X.org wasfixed. An Alsa audio driver was added, and theaudio drivers can be selected at runtime. Physicalmouse buttons rather than logical ones are nowsent.
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<Gadi>
(thats for chrisjrob - from rdesktop's page)
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<chrisjrob>
Gadi, thanks - i'll go check it out
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<Gadi>
for v1.6
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<operador_>
ogra , http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfloppyjn4.png
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<ryudo>
i back :D
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ogra you see the screenshot ?
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<warren>
can someone tar up their /etc on the latest Edubuntu so I can read the scripts?
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in particular I want to read the Xsession stack
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<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "Xsession" (119 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/549
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<ogra>
warren, does that suffice ?
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btw ubuntu and edubuntu are identical ... edubuntu just adds different artwork and some apps to ubuntu
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<warren>
ogra: oh, doesn't include any other scripts?
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<ogra>
there is Xsession.d wiht a bunch of stuff that gets sourced by Xsession
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(as you can see following the SYSSESSIONDIR variable in the code)
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<ryudo>
ogra
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http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfloppyjn4.png
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i take a screenshot
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in this case are logged 4 terminals
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<ogra>
yes, sorry, no idea why that isnt fixed for you
10:18
it is for everyone else
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<ryudo>
i will format the server and test again
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<ogra>
what would you expect to change ?
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by formatting anything ...
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<ryudo>
I honestly do not know, because if this bug continues the situation not change much, and I want to be sure this not my fault
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<ogra>
well, but if you made clean install without changes and only applied the updates it wont be different the next time you do that
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did you edit ay files or scripts ?
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*any
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<ryudo>
ogra , i not change nothing
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<cliebow>
James!!!
12:24
<jammcq>
hey chuck
12:24
how's it goin?
12:25
<cliebow>
hiya..going good..mixed up day..
12:25
gotta run to the middle school...
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<vagrantc>
warren: thanks for bringing up the Xsession issues...
12:30
warren: i think simply adding an ldm.xsession for specifying the Xsession file would be a good first step ... and only add it if specified ... then anyone using LDM_SESSION and specifying an Xsession would still work fine.
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<Gadi>
anybody here use whiptail at all?
13:54* Q-FUNK uses whip but ... oh, you mean THAT
13:54
<Gadi>
lol
13:54
Q-FUNK: hey
13:55
you been pinging me recently?
13:55
<Q-FUNK>
hey :)
13:55
yup
13:55
<Gadi>
I have been all over the place
13:55
sorry
13:55
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: did you say that you guys also have some GX2 hardware on hand?
13:56
<Gadi>
lots
13:56
:)
13:56
<Q-FUNK>
if you use Hardy, try my backported packages for -nsc and -geode ;)
13:56
<Gadi>
I don't yet, but I will try when I get a box going
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<Gadi>
first, I need to figure out why whiptail stops taking input all of a sudden when my whiptail-based app runs as a screen script
13:57
:P
13:57
<Q-FUNK>
oh
13:58
<Gadi>
something must be gumming up stdin
13:58
<Q-FUNK>
just WHIP IT! into shape. shape it up! get straight! go forward! it's not too late, to WHIP IT! whip it GOOD!
14:00
<vagrantc>
gah.
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<Comete>
hi
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<Comete>
is it possible, with ltsp 5, to use nbd_swap with some machines and local_swap with others on the same network ? and how can i know which one a started thinclient uses ?
16:07
<Nubae>
if you use 2 different chroots
16:07
yeah sure
16:07
and assign chroot via mac address
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<Gadi>
Comete: I believe you can do it with 1 chroot and lts.conf
16:13
USE_LOCAL_SWAP
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NBD_SWAP
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and just make them Y/N depending upon MAC address
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<vagrantc>
no need to use different chroots, just use lts.conf settings
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<Comete>
ok i will try thanks
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<Nubae>
hmmm didnt think about doing it with lts.conf...
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<ace_suares>
hi, my thin can (estonian thin client from artecgroup) boots fine but then it displ;ays a black screen where the ldm login window shoud be. Any ideas ?
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<barbosa>
hi for all, I need boot ltsp-4.2 with RTL8101E PXE with 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 but the system freeze. is there any configuration for this nic ?
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<ace_suares>
Oh I already got the answer via email from artecgroup
18:21
<Lns>
!seen q-funk
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<ltspbot>
Lns: q-funk was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Q-FUNK> oh
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<ace_suares>
Hee lns,
18:22
isnt q-funk the guy from the thin cans ?
18:22
<Lns>
barbosa, as long as the NIC has PXE boot functionality, you should be ok
18:22
ace_suares, afaik he's from Symbio Technologies
18:23
<vagrantc>
gadi's symbio
18:23
<Lns>
oooh yeah
18:23
<ace_suares>
hmm symbio tech website, nice stuff.
18:24* Lns confuses q-funk & gadi for some reason
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<ace_suares>
I did quite a lot of research on thin clients 2 yrs ago and never stumbled on thin can's or symbia...
18:24
I knew his name was startng with q :-)
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<Lns>
vagrantc, where does q-funk work, do you know?
18:25
so weird, i've been working w/him on the geode driver issues but i thought he was doing it as part of symbio's thin client testing too (guess i was wrong heh)
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<vagrantc>
i don't know.
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<ace_suares>
lns artecgroup thin can uses thatone too so it figures ?
18:27
<Lns>
ace_suares, does it? are you having issues w/it?
18:27
<ace_suares>
yep it wont start x
18:27
<Lns>
ah yes you are ;) you need to update the chroot to q-funk's ppa
18:27
<ace_suares>
te screen stays black
18:27
martin from artecgroup mailed me to use their repo
18:28
You need to add my PPA to sources.list in the chroot, update and rebuild
18:28
the boot image:
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deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu hardy main
18:28
Then, X should finally work as expected.
18:28
<Lns>
yeah it just got fixed, i just got a call from a client actually and said their thin clients (koolu) started booting to LDM like an hour ago ;)
18:28
<ace_suares>
thats what he said
18:28
i did it
18:28
maybe i did it wrong it dodnt work.
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<Lns>
did you ltsp-update-image?
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<ace_suares>
yes. --arch i386 :-)
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<Lns>
ace_suares, did you remove the -amd package too?
18:31
I think that's what got it going for me
18:31
<ace_suares>
lns what is taht and how to do it ?
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<Lns>
sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg-video-amd
18:32
and then sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386 ;)
18:32
-amd is a transitional package that needs to be purged after updating to q-funk's ppa
18:33
for -geode and -nsc
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<ace_suares>
lns someone needs to make a webpage about that @#$@#$@#$
18:33
<Lns>
ace_suares, it's fairly new knowledge...
18:33
;)
18:33
<ace_suares>
lns you have a thin can !?
18:33
<Lns>
no i have Koolu
18:33
<ace_suares>
lns all the more reasons to make a webpage, you'll get hits :-)
18:33
<Lns>
that's what Ubuntu wikis are for ;)
18:34
you did remind me though, i'm going to update my own wiki for that too
18:34
<ace_suares>
lns is that a phone, the koolu ?
18:34
(btw means ass in latin slang).
18:34
<Lns>
no, they sell thin-clients too (just buried in their site)
18:34
<ace_suares>
ah yah
18:35
299 USD
18:35
the thin can is 100 EUR
18:35
<Lns>
199 actually, 299 is their "netstation"
18:35
wow, good price
18:35
kind of unprofessional look though, but if that doesn't matter,.. =)
18:35
<ace_suares>
lns cant find the netstation on loolu website
18:36
yes the thin can is sharpedged and easy unscrewable
18:36
not too good for the schools i am trying to reach
18:36
<Lns>
ah
18:36
so you're in the educational sector too eh?
18:36* Lns likes to hear about others working ltsp into schools
18:36
<ace_suares>
lns i wish
18:37
lns vool lets make a website with cases :)
18:37
vool = cool
18:37
look at http://www.suares.an/rkcs for a hoorro story
18:37
horror
18:37
and I have one project running since april 2006 now
18:37
it runs fine
18:37
older ubuntu (breezy) with ltsp and win4lin.
18:38
also look on my site for the box in a box in a box articles.
18:38
<Lns>
heh
18:39
that's cool
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<ace_suares>
I hope you referring to the box in a box articles and not to the *@#^&#^ rkcs
18:40
lol
18:41
Hey X works, i get the login page, great THANKS !
18:41
<Lns>
=) awesome, ace_suares no prob.
18:45
<ace_suares>
I've got another baffliong problem tough
18:45
baffling
18:46
yday i switched to compiz on my 3-screen multihead xinerama desktop/server
18:46
it works cool after an evening of testing the badly documented compiz features
18:46
today I start the thin client (not a thin can but a disklessworkstations one)
18:47
but I can see there are visual effects now from compiz there too in a completely different user
18:47
and its slow and stuff
18:47
now I went to system->pref->adva deskt setting
18:47
and it was indeed on the middle 'normal' instead of none what is was before
18:48
i switched to none
18:48
and now I can not login to the tc with that user
18:48
actually it logs in and out straight away
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<ace_suares>
http://pastebin.com/m2e91fab this is xsession-errors I think its Xgl that made the problem
18:55
<Lns>
ace_suares, i remember having that problem right after upgrading to gutsy
18:55
i forgot what it was you had to do...some simple cmd though
18:55
to do w/xgl
18:55
<ace_suares>
compiz/xgl was intrioduced as standard in gutsy
18:55
<ogra>
no
18:55
xgl was never ever supported in ubuntu
18:56
its wild crack ....
18:56
<ace_suares>
hey ogra ! moin !
18:56
<ogra>
well, i'm aout to go to bed, but evening :)
18:56
*about
18:56
<ace_suares>
he he sweet dreams then
18:57
I just arrived a thin can from artecgroup
18:57
lns helped me witht he extra things you need to do to get it wroking
18:57
<ogra>
yeah, saw the backlog
18:57
<ace_suares>
oh okay
18:57
so id ont need xgl for compiz ?
18:57
<ogra>
the 8.04.1 CD will coe out soon and have these fixes included i hope
18:57
<ace_suares>
maybe it was cairo-dock then that i needed it for.
18:57
ohhh ! great !
18:58
<Lns>
ogra, have you tested desktop effects w/ltsp lately in hardy?
18:58
if so, how is it? i know you said before it works pretty well
18:58
<ogra>
you should nee xgl only with a small subset of ati cards that dont support AIGLX
18:58
Lns, nope
18:58
i havent touched any effects in hardy at all for ltsp
18:58
<Lns>
ah
18:58
<ogra>
i dont have the HW for that
18:58
my clianets all are non GL thingies
18:59
*clients
18:59
<Lns>
ogra, do you use mostly disklessworkstations?
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<ace_suares>
ogra: but since i use compiz on the desktop/server the tc's also seem to use it
18:59
the 'appearance' was switched to 'normal' instead of none.
18:59
<ogra>
i have two thin cans as well, some compaqs and some from rangee
18:59
<Lns>
ace_suares, i'm pretty sure ltsp, by default, turns off desktop effects when logging in
18:59
<ace_suares>
and I didnt install xgl on the chroot :(
19:00
<ogra>
and a set fro disklessworkstaions, yes
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<ace_suares>
lns: well in the appearance tab from system->preferences in gnome, it was on normal now not none... !
19:00
<Lns>
cool
19:00
ace_suares, that's with a newly created user?
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<ace_suares>
I moved it to none and now it wont login for loinger then 10 secs see the pastebin
19:00
lns no with an existing user but I never log in with that user on the server
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<ogra>
but i do most of my work in virtualbox nowadays, apart from real world testing
19:01
<ace_suares>
lns now today i did login on the server and it works okay
19:01
<Lns>
ogra, if you're ever interested i have a spare koolu thin client i can ship ya
19:01
i'd need it back eventually though (when i move my own office to ltsp ;) )
19:01
<ace_suares>
ogra and i could spare a thin can, I got two :-)
19:02
<ogra>
Lns, canonical has plenty of koolus in the QA lab in montreal
19:02
<Lns>
oh ok
19:02
<ogra>
i just dont have them here but have people to trigger testing
19:02* Lns raises his hand ;)
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<ace_suares>
Checking for nVidia: not present. \nStarting Xgl with options: -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama \nWaiting 10 more seconds for Xgl to start...
19:03
yeah i need to land me a job at canonical
19:03
<Lns>
ace_suares, I'm not sure.... i'd create a brand new user if i were you and try logging in with that
19:03
<ace_suares>
woiuld need to be some kind ofg oversight job tough with no real work involved :-)
19:03
<Lns>
ace_suares, lol...why not apply at m$ then? ;)
19:04
<ogra>
ace_suares, http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ there are plenty :)
19:04
<ace_suares>
he he
19:04
good but I can oversee you from here too ;-)
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<ace_suares>
just need to buy my own hardware damnit
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<Lns>
ace_suares, if you're doing things with ltsp what is your job now?
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<ace_suares>
lns lol I *try* to get ltsp into schools in curacao (120.000 inhabitants, ca. 30.000 schoolkids)
19:06
but not much succes so far.
19:06
I organize seminars now and then about open source (the last one in 2004 in the next one in 2008)
19:07
i am hosting websites with qwikzite a cms that i build in php/mysql
19:07
i am starting to write ruby stuff (rails)
19:07
for databases online
19:07
well
19:07
i *was* windows system admin for non profit organisations
19:07
the list goes on with semi-successes and near-failures :-)
19:08
what about you lns
19:08
you have ltsp running on a school !?
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<Lns>
very nice ace_suares
19:09
I own a small tech support/consulting company in california - http://logicalnetworking.net
19:10
I'm starting to do a lot more work with schools and nonprofit after-school clubs in the area, and getting LTSP in those types of places
19:10
Just hired someone on part-time to help me out with windows-based clients so i can focus on Linux/LTSP more
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<ace_suares>
cool your gateway, i use gibraltar (www.gibraltar.at)
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<Lns>
cool, that looks nice too
19:12
I <3 IPCop + Zerina + Advproxy/URLFilter
19:12
Not much you can't do with that setup
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<ace_suares>
ah some thins i dont like about the way are done there. No bug tracker for instance.
19:13
dont knwo any of them (IP COP etc)
19:13
but I am sure it's tight :-)
19:13
<Lns>
it's pretty solid
19:13
alright it's past quitting time for me
19:13* Lns waves to all
19:13
<ace_suares>
lns thanks for all your help
19:13
bye buye
19:13
<Lns>
np ace_suares, anytime
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<ace_suares>
lns ogra even with a new user the appearnace is on 'normal'
19:15
but at least the desktop comes up
19:16
Checking for Xgl: present.
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Checking for nVidia: not present.
19:16
Checking for Xgl: present.
19:16
Enabling Xgl with nVidia drivers...
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<ogra>
you can disable xgl somehow with a setting in ~/.config or ~/.local if you dont want to uninstall it
19:18
it migth get you into other problems as well
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<ace_suares>
lol but why is it looking for an nvidia driver ? the thin can has none ...
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<ogra>
(xgl is not in sync with Xorg ... its a totally separate project replacung your X server)
19:19
<ace_suares>
ogra oh.
19:19
I will uninstallit :-)
19:19
<ogra>
no idea i dont touch it :)
19:19
but i would suspect a startup script that checks for available GL support
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<ace_suares>
gonna reboot X
19:20
maybe see you ont he other side
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<ace_suares>
he he
19:22
my entire desktop setup gone, worked on it for 3 hrs yday :-(
19:22
lol
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<ogra>
because of removing xgl ?
19:23
<ace_suares>
oh yeah :-)
19:23
no compiz anymore :-)
19:23
<ogra>
indeed
19:24
<ace_suares>
xgl made my gnomepanels 3-screeniwde
19:24
<ogra>
likely rather compiz :)
19:24
<ace_suares>
now it is only one screen wide with the same amount of carefully placed icons :-)
19:24
<ogra>
oh, thats fun ... ancient bug nobody seems to look at upstream
19:25
<ace_suares>
life with multihead is not so easy :-)
19:25
like OO on screen 3, does file-open on screen one
19:25
<ogra>
my lappie has a touchscreen mode and i like to rotate the screen for reding news ...
19:25
<ace_suares>
that's a meter to move with the mouse :-(
19:25
<ogra>
so i suffer the sme problem of roaming icons ...
19:25
<ace_suares>
wow touchscreen does it rotate ?
19:26
oh yeas
19:26
<ogra>
you can do it mnually
19:26
xrandr does it
19:26
<ace_suares>
that why i never customized my desktops too much
19:26
<ogra>
but fo rintrepid i'll see that the rotate buttons are supported for it
19:26
<ace_suares>
ah i read something about xrandr not being supported (by my cards ? by compiz ? wtf ??)
19:26
<ogra>
xrandr is a default extension of Xorg
19:27
<ace_suares>
yeah if i swith from none to normal in appearance, then it says the composite extention missing
19:27
<ogra>
you likely read bout composite on nvidia cards (which is likely the reason you used xgl :) )
19:27
<ace_suares>
it seemed that i could get that fixed with xgl i think thats why i installed it
19:27
<ogra>
xrandr != composite ;)
19:28
<ace_suares>
yesh 2 dualhead nvdiacards here.
19:28
<ogra>
xrandr cares for resolution, multihead and rotation and the like ...
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<ace_suares>
nice bug to the 'composite not available' doesnt go away when pressing or or X :-)
19:29
sorry 'when pressing OK, only when pressing X
19:29
<ogra>
it does for me
19:29
<ace_suares>
not for me :-)
19:30
I gotta find out what the trouble is with compiz/nvidia
19:30
the ltsp trouble where related to Xgl
19:30
so that will be solved now :-)
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<ace_suares>
waaaa i was so happy with compiz ...
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<ogra>
well, you can keep xgl and have a rc.d script for ldm that cares for it to be disabled if you are on ltsp
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<ogra>
or an Xsession.d script checking if LTSP_CLIENT is set
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<ace_suares>
yes well i'll check into that after I am certain that i need xgl to have compiz...
19:33
funny on my 'lappie' it all works fine...
19:33
<ogra>
what graphics card ?
19:33
<ace_suares>
hmm i forgot prob intel
19:34
it's an acer travelmate 2480 or so
19:34
wow my mouse is racing over teh screen just to find my terminal icon :-(
19:34
<ogra>
yeah, intel is the awesome if it comes to drivers and GL support
19:35
<ace_suares>
well in 5 yrs we will only vaguely remmeber closed source drivers for hardware ;-)
19:35
<ogra>
hopefully
19:36
<ace_suares>
yes :-) well linux/gnu/ubuntu etc has advanced greatly due to so many hard workers
19:36
i gotta restart x
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<ace_suares>
ogra i won tbother you wtih thsi anymore
19:43
i'll sort it out ;)
19:43
it's not an ltsp problem anyway
19:49
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/85-ltsp-xgl-handler" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/550
19:50
<ogra>
look if there is already an xgl script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ this one needs to run before the xgl one
19:50
<ace_suares>
cool
19:50
I iwll test that later on
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<ace_suares>
ogra i am back on xgl gonna test it now
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<ace_suares>
ping ogra
20:02
ogra it works! Great job
20:02
now on the thin client, the appearnce settigns are back to none
20:02
and cant enable them too ;-)
20:02
on the server, we are all wobbly and cairo-docky under xgl.
20:03
thank you lots of times !
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<rjune>
ogra: howdy
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<ace_suares>
rjune: think he's gone to sleep
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<rjune>
could be
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Howdy Ron
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