IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)


Channel log from 23 December 2016   (all times are UTC)

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03:43
<gehidore>
mmmm frog legs
03:44
now I'm hungry
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14:12
<sbalneav>
Morning all
14:12* vagrantc waves
14:12
<alkisg>
Saludos :)
14:12
<sbalneav>
Morning vagrantc, alkisg
14:12
I'll have a look at the session script today.
14:13
The other thing we need to have it do is remove the empty tempdir
14:13* vagrantc has the distinct impression sbalneav is set on getting things done!
14:14* alkisg doesn't think he'll be able to do any work during the holidays, and hopes sbalneav will continue to be set on getting things done after 15 days too... :D
14:14
<sbalneav>
On a mission.
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14:43* vagrantc updated http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
14:43
<vagrantc>
!pam
14:43
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'pam', but I do know about these similar topics: 'pad'
14:43
<vagrantc>
!learn pam as http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
14:43
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
14:43
<vagrantc>
!pam
14:43
<ltsp>
pam: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
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14:45
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: nice!
14:46
<vagrantc>
hadn't been touched since 2013, figured we'd better update it since it's practically been rewritten from scratch :)
14:47
<sbalneav>
Ayup
14:48
<vagrantc>
i should probably orphan libpam-sshauth in Debian...
14:49
although there are at least 6 people who have used it in the last week
14:50
sbalneav: i'm guessing we'll call it dead upstream?
14:50
<sbalneav>
Well, I thought what we wanted to do was sub the pam implementation for it.
14:50
*python
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14:51
<vagrantc>
oh, right
14:51
<sbalneav>
We can consider the C version dead, yeah.
14:51
Since the python version does everything the C version does.
14:52
<vagrantc>
so it's basically just shipping pam_sshauth.py in the libpam-sshauth package?
14:53
<sbalneav>
So I guess what I'd like to see is when you install "libpam-sshauth", you get a /usr/share/pam-sshauth/pam-sshauth.py file, a readme of some kind, and libpam-python installs as a dependency.... right.
14:53
<vagrantc>
or is pam_sshauth.py still got some ltsp-isms
14:53
s,is,does,
14:53
<sbalneav>
No, other than it uses the term "ltsp" in it, which we could replace with "tunnel" to make it completely ltsp independent.
14:53* vagrantc waves the banner of bad grammar
14:54
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: bingo!
14:54
<sbalneav>
That's easy. One sec.
14:54
I also have to make a manpage for it.
14:54
<vagrantc>
ok, so now the big question... is it ready enough to actually ship in a debian stable release? :)
14:55
<sbalneav>
It's *at least* as ready as the old libpam-sshauth was.
14:55
It's had FAR more testing at this point.
14:55
<vagrantc>
i guess i'll have to write up a "switching from libpam-sshauth" documentation bit
14:55
<sbalneav>
Well, I can put that in a readme and a manpage.
14:55
first, let me "de-ltsp-fy" it.
14:55
<vagrantc>
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=libpam-sshauth
14:56
i suspect there have been a few people using it in real-world scenarios all these years
14:56
so libpam-sshauth may, arguably, have more real-world testing
14:57
admittedly, it's ~6 people
14:57
it's the 181,535th most popular package in debian by use
14:58
<sbalneav>
woot
14:58
<vagrantc>
but, those poor loyal libpam-sshauth users will be in for a *mandatory upgrade*
15:09
<sbalneav>
Well, I'm happy to keep maintaing the C version for another release, and we can call this one pam-sshauth-python, or whatever.
15:09
Do we have any bugs I need to fix in the old version?
15:10
Oh, and what's a good standard header block license for python files?
15:10
There's no license on pam-sshauth.py yet
15:30
<vagrantc>
well, i'm partial to GPLv3, and just using the "How to Apply These Terms .." section
15:31
it's a bit of a wall of text, but makes everything really clear.
15:33
sbalneav: regarding manpage ... i think i've seen some python library that can be used to generate the manpage from docstrings in your functions and so on
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15:51
<sbalneav>
k
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16:44
<sbalneav>
vagrantc, alkisg
16:44
look at latest commit :D
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16:46
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: nice!
16:47
<sbalneav>
So
16:47
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so briefly alkisg an i talked about patching ldm to use this sshauth.py stuff ...
16:48
<sbalneav>
I've removed the "StrictHostKeyChecking=no" from the base code, and now if people want it, it's an easy override
16:48
<vagrantc>
though it's a tradeoff between throwing away the old and starting fresh, or limping along with old code...
16:48
but getting some new code into use sooner...
17:09
<sbalneav>
I'm not even sure how we'd merge anything into the old ldm
17:09
The old ldm just spawns an ssh
17:09
It doesn't touch pam at all
17:10
And it just screen-scrapes the responses.
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17:11
<sbalneav>
ldm always was a bodge, it was fragile and icky.
17:11
<vagrantc>
sure, but we could configure another plugin or something that somehow just does pam auth, which creates the tunnel,a dn then uses that tunnel
17:11
<sbalneav>
why?
17:11
What *advantage* does keeping the old ldm impart to us?
17:11
<vagrantc>
incremental progress
17:12
presumably full feature-compatibility
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17:12
<vagrantc>
overall, i'm inclined to just move forward and not invest more in ldm
17:13
<sbalneav>
That's my inclination as well.
17:13
You can polish a turd all you want; at the end, all you have is a shiny turd.
17:13
<vagrantc>
there are a few things like configuring screen resolution which will require per-display-manager tweaks
17:14
<sbalneav>
Wouldn't that just be an X configuration?
17:14
<vagrantc>
just figured i'd bring it up, even though i'm not enthusiastic about it
17:14
we've got so many hooks and undocumented features, not sure what all we'll need to implement :)
17:14
<sbalneav>
I just don't see how it's possible; the only way to do it properly would be to actually make LDM a proper pam-enabled display manager.
17:14
But we already have those.
17:15
<vagrantc>
but i'm also willing, given the major changes, to break backwards compatibility to make forward progress
17:15
<sbalneav>
lightdm, gdm, kdm, etc.
17:15
<vagrantc>
and then needed features can be implemented or requested by those who need them
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17:15
<vagrantc>
alkisg had some ideas to make it possible
17:15* vagrantc shrugs
17:15
<sbalneav>
Sure, but alkisg doesn't code in C :D
17:16
I'm not trying to be mean, it's just... a lot of work, for no good benefit, and all it does is just slow us down from implementing what we actually want.
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17:17
<sbalneav>
The idea is we didn't *want* to manage a large chunk of C anymore; we wanted nice, light, scripts.
17:17
We're almost there.
17:17
I'd rather just keep going.
17:18
I just added a complete config file mechanism to the module in < 50 lines of code, in an hour or so.
17:19
That kind of speed and customizability was impossible before
17:21
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i hear ya, don't let me mentioning lukewarm ideas detract from your enthusiasm!
17:22
<sbalneav>
Like I say, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, it's just... we wanted something new, lets get it.
17:22* vagrantc stands with sbalneav
17:22
<sbalneav>
If ltsp6 is incompatible with ltsp5, we can keep both around for a few cycles, and just do critical bug fixes for a while on ltsp5
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18:09
<Sleaker>
I mean it's just a bunch of config files and build scripts right?
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18:37
<sbalneav>
Sleaker: Not quite yet, but getting there. LTSP5 has a lot of C code we wrote in it.
18:37
<Sleaker>
oh right there's some client level stuff isn't there
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<vsuojanen>
exit
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o|
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