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Channel log from 1 February 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<Komunista>
hi all
03:17
please, I have problem with GLX
03:18
on clients, by ltsp-localapps I can rung glxgerars and glxinfo too
03:18
but when I try run this from server, I get "bad request..." message
03:18
what I have wron?
03:18
*wrong
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<Alimar>
what's the best raid (software) setup for ltsp?
03:24
Good day!
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<HrdwrBoB>
raid10 .. probably
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<Alimar>
how do you maintain them?
03:36
or does it maintain itself
03:37
can I use 2 hdd for this then add another 2 later -- w/o much hassle?
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<Alimar>
anybody know how I can troubleshoot a client that blanks after a logout? Using Ubuntu LTSP -- I'm guessing it's the ldm or the XSERVER=vesa that is causing this but I have no way of telling...
03:55
because I have to wait -10-30min for it to boot/power up normally -- but will blank again every logout
03:55
That is Ubuntu 10.10 LTSP
04:04
<Komunista>
the clients VGA is CLE266
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<HrdwrBoB>
Alimar: not.. really
04:06
Alimar: you need to read about raid
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<Alimar>
Komunista: how is that? xchange vesa for CLE266?
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<Alimar>
I was also thinking that since LDM is restarted every logout -- it may not read the lts.conf when it is restarted during log out...
04:24
<Komunista>
Alimar: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics (rev 03)
04:28
<Alimar>
I think is is S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] -- the on board video
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<simbulu>
Playing around with ltsp - mostly on centos 5.5 64 bit with and without xen - but not really getting to the point where production can begin. I wonder where the real source for LTSP is hidden ...
05:12
as I am getting boored with all this OS integration - and really just want to install my favorite OS and then add ltsp from source.
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<Komunista>
Alimar: I have no more info, than lspci give to me
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<simbulu>
Where is source for lstp available ?
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<alkisg>
!source
05:39
<ltspbot>
alkisg: My source is at http://supybot.com/
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<alkisg>
!ltsp-source
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "ltsp-source" :: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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<simbulu>
thank you :)
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<mahdi_ja>
hi all
07:08
i use fedora 14
07:08
when i use this command ltsp-build-client i get this error
07:09
ERROR: fc14 is unsupported
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08:41
<robehend1>
say, I'm getting some random lock-ups with firefox lately. I'm running fatclients, with a mix of Pent4, celeron D, and Celeron machines, all with 512 mb of ram. I'm getting the classic "greyed out, not responding" firefox screen, which then must be force quit
08:41
i have NBD_SWAP = True int he lts.conf
08:42
<mgariepy>
robehend1, if you wait does it comes back ?
08:42
<robehend1>
in my knowledge, yes. I'm getting these reports from students, however, whose answer to locking up programs is "click it alot of times"
08:42
<evil_root>
can you try NBD_SWAP = false if these are fat clients let them use the clients ram
08:43
<robehend1>
we just recently added the NBD_Swap, hoping to stop the freezing. it happened before as well
08:43
<mgariepy>
is the load higher then usual on your applications server or the home server?
08:43
<robehend1>
single server
08:43
<evil_root>
how many clients active at one time?
08:43
<robehend1>
on this server, only 18
08:43
all fat clients. server is a 2x quad core xeon with 32 gigs of ram
08:44
<mgariepy>
robehend1, i saw this on thin client with localapps when the i/o wait on the $HOME server was quite high.
08:44
<evil_root>
oh
08:44
how many hard drives on the server
08:44
<robehend1>
evil_root: 2, set in raid 0, i believe
08:44
<evil_root>
iostat -x 1
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on the server
08:44
see if the utilization of the drive stays high
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if so you need more hard drives
08:45
<robehend1>
hmm, that gave me tons of data, let me dig a minute
08:45
<evil_root>
:D
08:45
data is always good
08:46
<robehend1>
what am i looking for, anyways/
08:46
<evil_root>
but yea your bottle necking somewhere
08:46
what os?
08:46
<robehend1>
ubuntu 10.04
08:46
<evil_root>
drive sdc or sda?
08:46
or what ever its called
08:46
ok you should see something like...
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Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rsec/s wsec/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util
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scd0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.61 0.00 2.12 2.12 0.00
08:47
your hard drive is going to be probably sda
08:47
<robehend1>
ah, i see what happened. my ssh screen was to small, caused line wrap, ruined the formatting.
08:47
<evil_root>
lol
08:47
<robehend1>
Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rsec/s wsec/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util
08:47
sda 0.04 7.14 0.36 4.49 13.85 93.05 22.02 0.63 129.68 1.53 0.74
08:48
ya, those look like the bottle neck
08:48
<evil_root>
ok watch it constantly threw the day, and see if the util stays high
08:48
<robehend1>
what's considered high? above 10/
08:49
<evil_root>
the util is percentage so if its constantly above 50% i would say thats high
08:49
it should refresh every second for ya
08:49
<robehend1>
but, if i'm not mistaken, the util was only .74%
08:49
<evil_root>
for that split second the command ran
08:49
run it all day
08:50
<robehend1>
ah, ok
08:50
<evil_root>
and when firefox starts locking up, i bet it will be high
08:50
<robehend1>
hmm, i might want to go..force it to look up..
08:50
er, lock
08:50
<evil_root>
no to proper test you need the users putting a load on it
08:50
we dont need a cpu or ram load, we need read/writes
08:50
<markit>
robehend1: have you also increaded the swap space? SIZE=512 in /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf (new file)
08:50
<evil_root>
and firefox does a crap load
08:51
<robehend1>
oh, yes, of course. by force i meant go log into the machines and open up firefox and some flash games
08:51
<markit>
(I've not read the all thread,just had a look, apologise if I'm saying nothing relevant or already tried)
08:51
<robehend1>
evil_root: is Chromium better? i've been testing it as a replacement
08:51
<evil_root>
not even flash games, open like 40 tabs
08:51
<robehend1>
brb
08:52
<evil_root>
chrome and firefox have their benefits each
08:52
i let my users choose between the two
08:52
<markit>
what about ff4 beta?
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<evil_root>
yet to try it
08:52
<markit>
maybe should solve the memory usage madness
08:53
<evil_root>
i got a gentoo mentality, i am behind releases by one or two years lol
08:53
if it does that will be awesome
08:53* dberkholz is running ff4 beta on gentoo...
08:53
<evil_root>
is it masked?
08:54
or ~x6
08:54
~x86*
08:54
<robehend1>
ack back
08:54
<dberkholz>
it's in the mozilla overlay, i think. don't know how it's keyworded/masked. i just use eix to find it and autounmask/emerge --autounmask to use it.
08:54
<markit>
evil_root: do you use ACL by chance? to create a shared dir...
08:54
<robehend1>
firefly9
08:54
gah. must learn alt tab
08:54
<evil_root>
acl? access control list?
08:54
<markit>
I've troubles with acl and file copied from teacher's home
08:54
evil_root: exactly, for the file system
08:55
(not squid :))
08:55
<evil_root>
no i cant say i have sorry
08:55
<robehend1>
markit: yes, the SIZE=512 is set in nbdswap.conf
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<robehend1>
evil_root: looks like you were right. i just had a set of 96%, then 78%, then back down to 3%..
09:13
<evil_root>
yea i was having that issue a while ago
09:13
switched to cluster
09:15
<markit>
mm my school setup is also with firefox 3.x... I'm scared (we are at the first days of usage this week)
09:16
robehend1: have you tested FF 4 beta?
09:16
btw, I've not installed flash in the server... will eat all bandwidth, and CPU
09:17
<evil_root>
god dam youtube!!!
09:19
<markit>
evil_root: hope WebM will be better and all videos will be converted soon
09:20
<evil_root>
agreed
09:20
and html5 is the shit
09:21
<elias_a>
...one should use :)
09:22
But why not run FF and Flash player as local app?
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<elias_a>
Just wondering...
09:22
<evil_root>
if your clients can handle it elias_a's idea is a logical one
09:23
<elias_a>
evil_root: What sort of hw are you running?
09:23
That is unable to do it....
09:24
<evil_root>
well i have flat clients with quad cores and sli video cards, and i have thin clients that go all the way down to a 750Mhz processor with 256M ram
09:24
and everything inbetween
09:24
i love linux
09:24
or did you mean what server hard ware i got?
09:25
<NeonLicht>
Your thin clients are more powerful than my fat clients :)
09:26
<evil_root>
lol
09:26
we have almost every model from disklessworkstations.org
09:26
<NeonLicht>
Cool! We only have old PCs.
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<elias_a>
evil_root: OK. If there's not enough CPU power, there is not...
09:30
<evil_root>
on the clients that are too old ff-flash run server side, on clients that can its run locally
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<evil_root>
but where we shine is our server farm
09:31
<robehend1>
markit: no, i have not.
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<evil_root>
we are working with the public schools here to centralize all the districts, so we have students that can log into a public school computer anywhere in the state
09:32
<robehend1>
evil_root: where is that, can i ask/
09:32
<evil_root>
montana
09:32
<robehend1>
evil_root: based on tlsp?
09:32
er, ltsp*
09:32
<evil_root>
ltsp yep
09:32
fuck active directory
09:33
<robehend1>
do you have any press releases or documentation? I'm always needing examples of other places doing this, so my school board doesnt go 'but its not windowsssss!!!"\
09:33
<evil_root>
no this is not offical yet
09:33
<robehend1>
ah, ok. thats what i figured, else it'd be all over the news
09:33
<evil_root>
but we have dumped like 2 million into it
09:34
<robehend1>
wow. my total allocation so far is 400 dollars, for the ram upgrade to the server
09:34
<markit>
disklessworkstations.org has HP thin with... Windows embedded, sigh!!!
09:34
<evil_root>
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5922/1000027rotated.jpg
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<evil_root>
thats one of our cluster points
09:34
<robehend1>
so are you like, setting up a big old server farm, then replicating those servers to a local site for the schools?
09:35
or just having distributed cluster points hooked up through strong wan links
09:35
<evil_root>
we have 4 of those exact setups over the state
09:35
<robehend1>
hey, i've got some of those poweredge machines
09:35
<evil_root>
my company owns 95% of the fiber in montana
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<NeonLicht>
What state is it?
09:35
<robehend1>
well that definately helps
09:35
<evil_root>
montana
09:35
<robehend1>
we're still on an ethernet hyperextender..
09:36
<evil_root>
ouch man that sucks
09:36
i have gig from my desk to a town that is 4 hour drive away
09:36
<robehend1>
ya. so i'm putting servers at each sites
09:36
oh, nice.
09:37
what does montana use for standardized testing? Pearson Testnav?
09:37
<evil_root>
here is like a 10 year old fiber map
09:40
standardized testing?
09:40
<robehend1>
ya, for no child left behind
09:40
thats my biggest hurdle right now to a full linux deployment. mn uses pearson testnav 6.9, which runs only on windows/mac
09:40
<evil_root>
idk, that started after i was already done with highschool
09:41
<robehend1>
..even though its just java and flash...
09:41
<evil_root>
put wine on for when your really need windows
09:41
<robehend1>
tried that. wont work
09:41
it runs its own, self contained versions of java and flash, and when i run it in wine, it can't find em for some reason
09:41
<evil_root>
then have like screen_8 be remote desktop
09:41
<robehend1>
thats what i'm thinking, trying to avoid if possible, but thinking
09:42
<evil_root>
yea thats not a real full linux deployment
09:42
<robehend1>
trying to keep licensing costs low, and get rid of windows if possible
09:43
<markit>
robehend1: in your experience, the ethical reasons of Free software don't count for schools?
09:44
<evil_root>
ethical reasons?
09:44
<markit>
evil_root: yes, you know freedom?
09:44
<robehend1>
markit: haha, no
09:44
<evil_root>
i encourage anyone to steal from microsoft
09:44
<robehend1>
markit: reasons that apply to schools: is it cheap? Is it reliable? is there premade curriculum for it? can kids destory it
09:44
<muppis>
"It can't be good if it's free"...
09:45
<robehend1>
and the grand daddy of them:
09:45
Will teachers be able to use it with minimal training, upto and including the 60 year old spanish teacher who hates anything thats not an apple machine? if not, scrap it, go buy office 2010
09:45
<markit>
muppis: Free not free
09:45
robehend1: apple fans are incredible, I know
09:46
<muppis>
markit, I'm lazy in typing, when usiong N900..
09:46
<evil_root>
god i am sorry robehend1, we actually have classes to teach end users
09:46
<robehend1>
evil_root: i'm the single iT for the district, and they refuse to allow me to give staff development days,a s they'd rather focus on developing a new discipline setting, or plan for SnoDaze
09:47
<evil_root>
ouch
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<markit>
http://blogs.fsfe.org/ciaran/?p=110
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<robehend1>
so, when it comes to new software, i'm making multiple screencasts, going into studyhalls to give demo's to kids, driving to other buildings to do one on one step by step training wtih available staff, etc
09:47
<markit>
expecialli from "Free Software has an especially important connection with Universities, and indeed all schools of all levels."...
09:47
<evil_root>
lol we still have some districts with like 40 students total from kindergarden to 12th
09:47
<robehend1>
oh stallman, that crazy bastard
09:48
evil_root: we're at about 800, k-12. but we're sitting on about..600 workstations, 12 servers, and numerous other fun things
09:48
<markit>
robehend1: very unpolite comment
09:48
<robehend1>
markit: not meant negatively. man's a genius, but you have to admit, he's quite...encentric
09:49
<markit>
robehend1: my love for Free software derivates from his reasoning and the strenght of ethical reasons
09:49
<evil_root>
i could not guess our end user amount, but we have about 30 servers dedicated to ltsp
09:49
<markit>
otherwise I would have stayed with M$hell, much simpler to follow the bad trend
09:49
<evil_root>
and the loadbalancer fails over to our cloud during really high load
09:49
<simbulu>
what counts is your "ego" - how big is you budget? ( and you know is beautifull and better :-) )
09:50
<robehend1>
nice. ive only got 4 ltsp boxes, one for each site, 3 of which are virtualmachines
09:50
<evil_root>
using esxi?
09:50
<robehend1>
simbulu: can't knock you there. its always a contest between the schools
09:50
evil_root: kvm.
09:50
<markit>
evil_root: never had a look at ltsp clustering... is it reliable and "easy" to setup?
09:50
<evil_root>
yes
09:50
and yes
09:50
one sec
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<robehend1>
evil_root: you using ldap to do authentication then/
09:51
<markit>
robehend1: have you had a look at proxmox virtualization project?
09:51
<evil_root>
yes robehend1
09:51
<markit>
http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
09:51
<evil_root>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster
09:51
that walk threw works
09:51
<markit>
evil_root: thanks
09:51
evil_root: but your experience is positive?
09:52
<robehend1>
markit: never even heard of it
09:52
<evil_root>
my experience is awesome, after i spent two weeks tweaking it the way i liked it, but yes out of the box its better than single host setup
09:52
<robehend1>
evil_root: will i recieve benefits of running cluster on 2 virtual machines, hosted on the same physical box?
09:52
<evil_root>
markit after you run threw entire setup and your logged on using it, on the app server run /etc/init.d/nscd restart
09:53
thats the only thing the walk threw is missing
09:53
no robehend1
09:53
<robehend1>
ah,d arn
09:53
<evil_root>
the point of the cluster is get the different services of the ltsp on boxes designed for it
09:53
like my nfs server has nothing for processor and ram
09:53
<robehend1>
thats what i thought. just dont have any extra servers or budget at the moment
09:53
<evil_root>
but shit loads of hard drives
09:54
and app servers
09:54
pxe boot and dont even have hard drives
09:54
but dual quad cores and 32G ram
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<markit>
urgh, 32GB... how many users?
09:55
<evil_root>
64 limit per app server
09:55
<Guest14144>
in need of assistance with running vmware-view open client inside LTSP client
09:55
<markit>
robehend1: I use proxmox, is really a joy, you install it in 15 minutes, and you have kvm + openvz virtualization and a web interface for setup and monitor
09:55
<evil_root>
and thanks to out cloud, we have limitless app servers
09:55
<robehend1>
markit: it bare metal, or require a os
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<Guest14144>
anybody out there with this knowledge?
09:56
<robehend1>
Guest14144: whats going on/
09:56
<markit>
robehend1: bare metal (destroy your hd content!)
09:56
robehend1: but you could also install on top of debian lenny yoruself
09:56
<Guest14144>
followed instructions to install when client loads, i get a black screen with cursor in the upper left cornet
09:56
<robehend1>
evil_root: are you booting your app servers off of ltsp then?
09:56
Guest14144: never used the vmware-view client, what are you trying to hook up to/
09:56
<Guest14144>
PXE booting , yes
09:57
connecting to vmware view connection server
09:57
had it configured with rdp to windows XP, that worked great
09:57
<evil_root>
yes i have the same tftp server for the thin clients that i do the app servers, but it serves a different image to the server vs the client
09:57
<robehend1>
Guest14144: sadly, no idea. I've never tried it.
09:58
evil_root: ha, you have any documentation of this? i'd be interested in giving it a shot for my own curiosity
09:58
<Guest14144>
if i chroot inside the client and install a new package, do i have to rebuild the client or perform some sort of update?
09:58
<evil_root>
no i am not good with notes, lol it pisses my boss off so much
09:58
<robehend1>
i've forced myself into it
09:58
<Guest14144>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/VMWareViewVDI
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<robehend1>
evil_root: but i'm assuming you basically made a fat-client chroot with all the apps you need, then boot the app servers off that?
10:00
Guest14144: out of curisoity, what does this setup accomplish? I'm working on something similiar with virtualbox at the moment, so it'd be worth it to try
10:00
<Guest14144>
just built the ltsp server than build client image
10:00
to use with rdesktop
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<evil_root>
robehend1 i built one server and then used clonezilla to create the image and serve it
10:00
<Guest14144>
then just installed vmware-view client as per above instructions
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<robehend1>
evil_root: ah..never played with clonezilla, i'm a FoG man myself, which doesnt do well with linux sadly
10:01
<evil_root>
lol
10:01
<Guest14144>
should launch vmware view to connect to VMware view connection manager
10:01
that determines which vdi you can connect to
10:01
<robehend1>
hmm. no clue, sorry bud, never touched that system
10:02
<evil_root>
and Guest14144 i know esx but i have never played with VMware view
10:02
<Guest14144>
no problem but do i need to update my client image after installing software
10:03
or after adding packages
10:03
<evil_root>
yes
10:03
<Guest14144>
so when they ask you to chroot to the client path and install packages, always update after?
10:04
<muppis>
Yes.
10:04
<evil_root>
yes
10:04
<Guest14144>
what's the proper syntax to update?
10:04
<robehend1>
i update sometimes just for fun, when i'm feeling frisky
10:04
<evil_root>
x86 or 64 bit clients?
10:04
<robehend1>
sudo ltsp-update-image --arch *chroot name*
10:04
<Guest14144>
awsome folks, will give that a try. could be my problem
10:04
thank you all
10:05
<muppis>
And adding -i only updates the image.
10:05
<evil_root>
welcome
10:07
<simbulu>
playing around with ltsp, with little success. debian-edu will not start X, k12ltsp had hardly any docs, and the source (ltsp-trunk) would not compile the nbd-proxy parts.
10:08
I would like to get ltsp to work on Centos5.5 64 bit possibly on a xen box. Suggestions?
10:09
<Nubae>
I´m working on getting it working on rhel 6
10:09
well attempting to at least
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10:10
<simbulu>
would love to se ltsp on rhel6, even so it seems to be a while to wait for centos6...
10:11
<Nubae>
sure, but one can respin rhel6 easily enough
10:12
problem is if u need rhn
10:13
<robehend1>
zz_evil_root: so, if you dont mind, help me wrap my head around ltsp-cluster
10:14
<simbulu>
I need an rpm based system - and prefer Centos these days (for a number of reasons)
10:14
<robehend1>
zz_evil_root: the root server is the one providing tftp and such, correct?
10:14
<simbulu>
even so I would not mind installing the ltsp from a tar ball
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<simbulu>
the trunk has no .spec file ...perhaps I should go looking for a ltsp-NN.src.rpm
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10:31
<garymc>
hi guys anyone know what free software there is so I can log into my work ltsp server via my mac whilst still in osx
10:35
<robehend1>
garymc: you can ssh into it through terminal natively
10:36
garymc: besides that, y ou could setup a vnc connection, a NX connection, or install virtualbox and use a virtual client
10:36
<garymc>
no i want to have the linux GUI loaded in a screen that i can flick on or off
10:36
when the network cable is attached
10:37
<robehend1>
and vnc, or nx, will both give you a gui
10:37
<simbulu>
Nubae, Do you have some ltsp/k12ltsp.*.src.rpm's to work from ?
10:40
<klausade>
simbulu: where did debian-edu not want to start X? On the server, or on the thinclient?
10:41
<simbulu>
klausade, X would not start on the server. It could not figure out how my lcd display works.
10:43
I might try again - with debian-edu on a virtual server (using Xen and Centos ...)
10:43
<klausade>
simbulu: you tried the lenny based version? Probably X is too old for your server, but the thinclient should work just fine nevertheless.
10:45
simbulu: i never saw nobody manageing to run a ltsp-server on a virtual server, atleast not in a real big environment.
10:45
<simbulu>
klausade, lenny I suppose (debian-edu-5.0.6+edu1-dvd.iso). I really do not want to fight with X any more.
10:45
<robehend1>
simbulu: i'm running ltsp on a kvm server right now. its only supporting 25 clients, but is working fien
10:45
er, fien
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<simbulu>
Actually I have two hardware boxes and intend to run Centos 64 bit with xen on them - so having ltsp on a virtual server makes some kind of sense to me
10:46
<klausade>
robehend1: try 500 clients.
10:47
<robehend1>
klausade: ha, would love to. but thats what ltsp-cluster is for
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<simbulu>
well I (my customer) will have 40 thin and 40 diskless clients - and some 100 others picking files from samba
10:48
<klausade>
robehend1: well, we use something similar to loadbalance at our sites as well.
10:49
<simbulu>
yes loadbalancing, testing, maintenance, etc. is what we like see on virtual servers.
10:50
if only I could say "yum install ltsp" and be done ...
10:50
<Nubae>
well, just what´s available for fedora
10:50
debian is for sure easier
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<robehend1>
zz_evil_root: say, i'm noticing that i do get some spikes of heavy utilization on iostat. how does one go about fixing that/
10:51
<simbulu>
Nubae, Ok, I could run fedora under xen and have ltsp there. Right ?
10:52
<Nubae>
klausade actually there are quite a few folks virtualising ltsp in their deployments
10:52
yep
10:52
I´m trying to see if I can rebuild for rhel6, but nothing is certain
10:53
<simbulu>
Ok - in a few minutes the base system is ready and fedora can be installed
10:54
which version of fedora should we go for ?
10:54
<Nubae>
I believe f14 is supported
10:55
f13 is more supported though
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<simbulu>
options options ... Will try Fedora-14-x86_64 first ...
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11:01
<ogra>
Nubae, who maintained fedora support after F12 ?
11:01
afaik nobody picked it up after warren left
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<Nubae>
well its supported for f13 at least, it seems
11:05
I´m not sure though, I´m just diving in myself cause need it for rhel6
11:05
might need to use f12 srpms then
11:06
how outdated is that?
11:06
<ogra>
very i'd say
11:06
<Nubae>
hmmm... so better to grab from source then
11:07
I fear could be a big job if u say that
11:07
<robehend1>
since i'm getting high iostat reports, if i exported my homes to a nfs server, do you think that'd help?
11:07
<ogra>
dont rely on me, i havent coded ltsp stuff since more than two years
11:07
about as long as fedora support dropped :)
11:08
there was a guy talking about taking up fedora work again about half a year ago on the ML but i dont think he has done anything
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<simbulu>
ogra, sounds like that ltsp has no maintainer on fedora ?
11:13
<Nubae>
jeez,,, no maintainer for fedora/redhat/centos then
11:14
sounds like it needs looking into
11:14
<simbulu>
Hmm, that might lift an eyebrow at the school board ...
11:14
<robehend1>
pfft, they dont gotta know ;0
11:14
ls
11:15
bah. alt tab, you are my nemesis
11:15
<Nubae>
well they do if he wants rpm based support
11:15
unless u go for kiwi-ltsp of course
11:16
<ogra>
simbulu, if you want well supported ltsp use ubuntu or debian
11:17
<Nubae>
so we're back to ltsp being deb only... wow
11:17
<ogra>
now ?
11:18
its like that since ages
11:18
warren left and nobody stepped up for fedora
11:18
<simbulu>
mm - deb is fine - but not for me
11:18
<ogra>
there is indeed still gentoo
11:18
not sure where that stands atm though
11:19
<simbulu>
and I am the supporter - and happen to be an rpm guy. So they need fedora/rhel/centos/...
11:19
( kiwi ....)
11:19
<ogra>
well, feel free to pick up ltsp fedora maintenance
11:19
<Nubae>
simbulu if u do, I could probably help out to some extent
11:21
<robehend1>
how much of a server does something that only supplies nfs homes need?
11:21
spec wise, that is
11:21
<Nubae>
depends on how many clients u want to serve
11:21
<simbulu>
ogra, thank you for the offer :-) Right now I will just try to get the point where some thing works for me.
11:23
<robehend1>
Nubae: say, 50 at a time
11:25
<Nubae>
dual core for sure, quad core better
11:25
8 gigs ram minimum
11:25
<robehend1>
for just supplying home folders/
11:25
?*
11:25
<Nubae>
oh... not for ltsp?
11:25
<robehend1>
nope, i just want to move my homes to a nfs server, so my ltsp server will be less burdened
11:25
i'm getting high disk-io
11:26
<Nubae>
hmmm, u could also just put /home on a seperate disk
11:26
<robehend1>
hmm, true
11:26
probably would make better sense, anyways
11:27
<Nubae>
thats what I´ve done in the past
11:27
<robehend1>
a standard Sata work for that, do i need to go up to SCSI
11:27
<Nubae>
but nfs server shouldnt require too much, the bootlneck is probably the disks themselves
11:27
<robehend1>
ya, i'd have to go check, but i think there your run of hte mill 7200rpms
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11:27
<nosedrum>
hi there
11:27
<robehend1>
heyo
11:28
<Nubae>
well u can get 10,000 rpm satas, I´d go for that before going for scsi
11:28
but either might be overkill
11:28
<nosedrum>
there is a chan on irc about resktop issue ono tse server ?
11:28
:D
11:28
<Nubae>
depends how much they are being used...
11:28
<robehend1>
Nubae: i'm getting spikes of 90%+ utilizations, when the kids are all on firefox and such, which causes freezing on the client end
11:28
so i'm trying to find a work around
11:28
<Nubae>
nosedrum, really wish what u were trying to say...
11:29
wish I knew
11:29
well, I´d install firefox in the chroot
11:29
<nosedrum>
Nubae: I'm searching some help about a tsclient/rdesktop issue
11:29
<robehend1>
Nubae: already running fat-clients
11:29
<Nubae>
having it run on the client will dfinetly help
11:29
<nosedrum>
i know i'm not on the right chan
11:29
<Nubae>
oh
11:30
<robehend1>
Nubae: and have given them a 512mb nbdswap
11:30
hence my confusion
11:30
nosedrum: you trying to hook up to a windows 2008 box from rdesktop?
11:30
<Nubae>
rdesktop.... try #rdesktop ?
11:30
<nosedrum>
actually a win2003 box
11:31
#rdesktop not exist
11:31
i create it 5 min ago... -_-
11:31
<Nubae>
heh
11:31
robhend1 are u swapping from server or clients?
11:32
<nosedrum>
it's a strange issue who make me crazy... The happiness on mixed encironnement Linux/Windows...
11:32
<robehend1>
Nubae: wish i could tell you. all i did was add NBD_SWAP = true in the lts.conf, and then edited the nbdwap.conf file for SIZE=512 , on the server
11:33
nosedrum: whats going wrong with it. i've been using rdesktop to get into win2003 daily for over 2 years
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11:33
<nosedrum>
robehend1: :D let's go for explain you
11:34
<Nubae>
thats swapping from server
11:34
<nosedrum>
I have a cluster of 2 win2k3 tse servers
11:34
<Nubae>
i could try swapping on clients and that might help
11:34
<nosedrum>
i can connect with rdesktop with no problem
11:34
50 user on it
11:34
<robehend1>
Nubae: and how would i set that up? btw, the clients only have 512mb ram, so ya
11:34
<Nubae>
well the clients needs hard drives of course
11:35
<robehend1>
Nubae: which they have
11:35
<cliebow>
heh.. mine had 32
11:35
<robehend1>
cliebow: haha, nice.
11:35
<cliebow>
long ago and far away
11:35
<nosedrum>
the problem is: when a user close the rdesktop windows with right cross ==> tse session immediatly end on 2k3 server
11:35
<Nubae>
if they have that, check the ubuntultsp wiki, think there is a blurb about client side swapping
11:35
<robehend1>
Nubae: hmm, ok.
11:35
<nosedrum>
and the same scenario with the original windows rdp client => the session is keep on server and you can reconnect
11:35
you understand ?
11:35
<robehend1>
was hoping i wouldnt need hard drives in these things. i'm not 100% sure why they're cashing
11:36
nosedrum: yes, i understand, and i dont have that issue. my sessions persist
11:36
<nosedrum>
-_-
11:36
and it's not the gpo because with the windows rdp client it works...
11:36
<robehend1>
sorry bud. might try an rdesktop mailing list or something
11:36
<Nubae>
well u´re other optin is what u suggest, nfs server, but that doesnt rule out the cpu spikes
11:36
<nosedrum>
sure
11:36
<klausade>
robehend1: for high IO values when they are using FF, try to use "browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled", false and "browser.safebrowsing.enabled", false. We have seen just 100 simultaneous logons kill the disk otherwise (thats 15K sas disks)
11:36
<nosedrum>
i already do that
11:36
thx for listen me...
11:37
good vibes guys
11:37
<robehend1>
klausade: can i set that in the firefox.js file?
11:37
<klausade>
robehend1: yes.
11:37
<robehend1>
now to go relearn that syntax
11:37
klausade: have you attempted to use Chromium in lue of firefox, to see if it gives you the same issues?
11:38
<klausade>
robehend1: no, to much retraining, and our LMS and a ton of on-line teaching material only works/is supported on FF.
11:38
<robehend1>
ah, understandable. i had to update my LMS for chrome, due to home users wanting it
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<klausade>
robehend1: most of our sites use a LMS "they" cant upgrade themselfes. They just buy the service. so, they are stuck. I personaly would like to go all in for Opera.
11:40
<robehend1>
i've tried opera, and while its nice, i tend to perfer chromium. personal preference though.
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<robehend1>
and ewww, subscribed lmS. Thats why i went and bought a moodle server ;)
11:40
<klausade>
robehend1: yes, go Moodle!
11:40
<Nubae>
moodle rocks!
11:41
<robehend1>
been using it for 5 years now, no complaints except its dismal login speed
11:41
<simbulu>
ogra, btw - there exist deb2rpm utilities I could use. Then I would just have to find the proper deb files first :-)
11:41
<ogra>
simbulu, that doesnt help
11:41
<klausade>
robehend1: but, to much retraining, and not realy anybody around to sell us support and training (in Norway).
11:41
<ogra>
ltsp is integrated with the distros
11:41
<Nubae>
simbulu dont think its that simple
11:41
<robehend1>
ya, understood. i had to make most of my training, since they dont want to buy anything ;0
11:41
<markit>
oh, moodle, I've the feeling that is interesting, but also the feeling that teacher IT culture, at least here, is so low that will never be used
11:41
<ogra>
you cant just re-use packages from one on the other
11:42
<robehend1>
markit: it autogrades tests, if you set it up right
11:42
<ogra>
thats the whole purpose of ltsp4
11:42
<Nubae>
u could however take a look at the deb sources
11:42
<markit>
also I've not got a precise idea of what can be done with it, need to grab info online
11:42
<ogra>
errr
11:42
ltsp5
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<simbulu>
ok - nothing seems to be simple ... Installing a minimal fc14 box ... and going for a swim
11:42
<ogra>
Nubae, wont help if the underlying tecnology differs
11:43
<markit>
robehend1: teachers here can hardly use PC, they only knwo windows and don't understand that you have a spreadsheet, not an "excel", and so on
11:43
<Nubae>
sure, but its a starting point
11:43
<ogra>
the source is the best starting point
11:43
and fix the missing bits for fedora
11:43
<Nubae>
well compare it to the source I meant
11:43
<robehend1>
markit: preaching to the choir. i had to make the classic 'step by step, click here than here" videos for pretty much every thing
11:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all.
11:43
<robehend1>
heyo
11:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
nubae: quick question about fatclient
11:43
<ogra>
source is definitely better
11:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
have you attempted to get a fat lcient image working in LTSP cluster?
11:44
<Nubae>
of course that would be the starting point, I meant look at deb sources to see where we are now
11:44
_UsUrPeR_ nope
11:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
err "fat client" I should say
11:44
<klausade>
robehend1: we have two huge LMS vendors here in Norway, and both pull your money out through your nose, and plenty of people want an alternative.
11:44
<ogra>
sure, other distros are surely good for comparison
11:44
<markit>
robehend1: do you think a video is a good solution? do they watch it? I'm just preparing a brief notes about server on/off/troubleshoot and GNU/linux differences, I suppose they will not understand more than 1%, sigh
11:44
<simbulu>
looked at sources in ltsp-trunk . Can not say it was very usefull.
11:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
Nubae: one more question: if a fat client is authenticating with ldap, does that mean that ldap needs to be installed on the client image?
11:45
<robehend1>
markit: they liked videos, becuase they could watch them at home or anywhere, since its all on our Google Video account.
11:45
<simbulu>
(to me - that is)
11:45
<Nubae>
a part of ldap, yeah
11:45
the ldap client :-)
11:45
<robehend1>
klausade: i'd go with moodle. its having great luck here in the states, and i've had great luck deploying it to many schools
11:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
Nubae: ok. Thanks.
11:45
<markit>
robehend1: do you mind give me access to them? just to take inspiration
11:45
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: no, in normal ltsp ldm is used, so the client can't use ldap directly
11:45
<robehend1>
markit: would if i could. We finished training on moodle last year, and removed the videos, as we only have 10 gigs of space :(
11:45
<alkisg>
It goes through the server
11:45
<Nubae>
fat clients alkisg
11:45
<robehend1>
markit: let me see if I've got em around on a fileserver
11:46
<alkisg>
Nubae: yes, still ldm
11:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: This is fat client specific
11:46
ORLY
11:46
<Nubae>
not mine they dont
11:46
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: you mean the ubuntu implementation of fat clients, right?
11:46
!fatclients
11:46
<Nubae>
they use ldap on the client
11:46
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
11:46
<alkisg>
Or the old, nubae's implementation?
11:46
<Nubae>
he probably means new
11:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
I guess I was not aware that there was a difference
11:46
<Nubae>
:-=
11:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
new I suppose
11:47
<Nubae>
there isnt much difference
11:47
other than I have nothing to do with it anymore :p
11:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
lol
11:47
ok
11:48
I guess I am going to have to give this a shot from a first-person perspective. To reiterate: this is using ldap to authenticate.
11:48
<alkisg>
ldm can't use ldap
11:48
So anything ldap related happens on the server
11:48
If you want, you can stop using ldm and start using gdm, but you'll lose all LDM* variables from lts.conf
11:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
Nubae / alkis: when is the "new" fat client implemented?
11:49
10.04? 10.10
11:49
?
11:49
<Nubae>
what about other authentication in the fat client then?
11:50
<alkisg>
I think we got most of it upstream for 10.04
11:50
There are backports for 9.10, but not official ones
11:50
Nubae: what other authentication?
11:50
There's no difference in authentication between thin or fat clients
11:50
It's exactly the same
11:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: have you attempted to use either version of fat client with ltsp-cluster>?
11:50
<alkisg>
No, I've never seen ltsp-cluster
11:51
<Nubae>
oh right no local passwd/shadow and group
11:51
thinking about my horrible hack again
11:51
<alkisg>
Nubae: right, i don't think there are any similarities in your implementation of fat clients and the upstream one
11:52
<Nubae>
well no, the only difference is authentication
11:52
everythin else is the same
11:52
printer support, sounds, etc
11:53
<alkisg>
The ltsp-build-client plugin was written from scratch without looking at your sources, and there's no code for printer/sound etc other than a simple if
11:53
(to disable remote pulse for fat clients)
11:54
<Nubae>
its still the same code... sound, printers, etc didnt change
11:54
<alkisg>
What do you mean about sound?
11:54
Fat clients don't have any special sound support...
11:54
<Nubae>
puolse on the client
11:54
<alkisg>
They're just standalone ubuntu installations wrt sound
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<Nubae>
no, it does require some settings to get it working... i remember, unless its changed
11:55
i havent looked at the code in years
11:55
<alkisg>
I don't think we put anything for sound, except for an "if it's fat, don't touch sound settings"
11:55
<simbulu>
The latest rpm I can find for fedora is ltsp-5.1.95-1.fc13.src.rpm. I will give it a go on fc14
11:56
<Nubae>
well, wehn i looked way back when i remember it being the same
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, well thanks. I think this answered a few questions
11:57
<Nubae>
wonder who maintained fc13 if it wasnt warren
12:00
<simbulu>
Nubae, Looks like Warren built this thing on Des 03 2009
12:04
<Nubae>
so 1 year
12:04
thats still ok
12:05
<ogra>
heh
12:05
you think ltsp development stood still for 1 year ?
12:05
<Nubae>
better than 2 at least :p
12:06
<ogra>
ltsp is at 5.2.5 in ubuntu
12:06
5.1.95 is a 5.2 pre-release
12:09
<simbulu>
well - seems like mandriva has ltsp-server-5.2-2
12:10
5.2.4-2 seems to be current version (on deb)
12:10
<Nubae>
really? who maintains that?
12:12
<simbulu>
The Changelog mentions Funda Wang, Oden Eriksson on 2010-12-07
12:12
<Nubae>
well we should talk to them i guess
12:12
<simbulu>
http://pkgs.org/mandriva-cooker/mandriva-contrib-release-i586/ltsp-server-5.2-2mdv2011.0.i586.rpm.html
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<simbulu>
and opensuse is at 5.2.4-4.14 as of 2011.01.29 !
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<ogra>
simbulu, opensuse doesnt have ltsp
12:23
simbulu, they have kiwi which is a very different wrapper around the ltsp scripts
12:25
<simbulu>
ok - I am no suse expert - cf. http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/openSUSE_Factory/src/ltsp-5.2.4-4.14.src.rpm
12:26
<ogra>
right, it doesnt work without the kiwi wrapper
12:27
(nothing of the ltsp documentation, configuration or scripts apply)
12:27
imagine yast around ltsp ;)
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<robehend1>
alkisg: say, question. even after enabling nbdswap on the clients, i'm still getting lockups on firefox and such on fat clients. have some higher utilization in iostat for the hard drive, but i'm wondering if it could be anything else i should check before moving /home to another disk,nfs, etc
12:28
<simbulu>
well - seems like everyone wraps ltsp differently ...
12:29
<ogra>
not ubuntu, debian, fedora and gentoo
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<ogra>
the prob is just that fedora fell behind
12:29
i didnt know about mandriva and its sad they didnt talk to upstream at all
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<simbulu>
anyway - my fc14 box is ready and says:
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that 5.1.95-1.fc13 versions of ltsp-client{-client,-server,-vmclient,fs,fsd} are available from the fedora repo.
12:32
<ogra>
right, 5.1.95 will just miss a bunch of fixes
12:32
but ltsp-build-client (and all its friends) should work
12:33
<simbulu>
well - I have to work with what is available, for a start
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<ogra>
sure
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<simbulu>
ogra, do I need the ldm and ldminfod packages as well ?
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<ogra>
??
12:37
no
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<simbulu>
ldm should be a LTSP Display Manager
12:37
<ogra>
you only install one package, read the docs for your distro
12:38
<simbulu>
ok - I will :-)
12:38
<ogra>
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oops, sorry, cat attack
12:39
just make sure to never ever install any ltsp-client package on your server
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the scripts need to do that in the right place, else you will mess up your server install
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<simbulu>
"yum install ltsp-server" (installing 123 packages ...)
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<ogra>
yeah
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<simbulu>
Complete. Reboot. Ready. (Now I will just have to find and RTFM)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Has anybody experienced any problems with tftp-hpa after running a recent ubuntu 10.04 kernel update?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
right now, my server doesn't seem to be starting tftp. I am not finding a pid created for tftpd-hpa
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neither in a ps -aux OR in /var/run
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<ogra>
it was always handled by inetd
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not sure that was changed recently
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: yeah. Even starting manually, this doesn't seem to be working properly
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just "in.tftpd --listen"
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<ogra>
how would you start it manually ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
^^
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<rthomson>
Does it make sense that quickly scrolling around an average PDF file in Adobe Reader 9 on our thin clients can easily use ~60-80Mbps bidirectionally between the client and server? LTSP5, LDM_DIRECTX=True.
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<ogra>
well check if /etc/default/tftpd-hpa changed over the upgrade
13:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
rthomson: yes. That's full screen refreshes in your native screen resolution
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ogra: no, nothing is different in there :/
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<rthomson>
_UsUrPeR_, thanks that's what I thought as I didn't think nload was lying to me
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<_UsUrPeR_>
rthomson: I would recommend running as a local application
13:40
that would stop your network from being eaten up by moving the processing onus from your server to your client
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<rthomson>
Yeah, I've been testing that out
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<_UsUrPeR_>
which will keep the image off the network, instead relying solely on the processing power and resources inside your client.
13:41
<rthomson>
Works pretty well on my thin-client-thats-really-a-PC but I haven't tested with our atom-based LTSPTerms yet.
13:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
rthomson: you will notice a drop in speed, but your network will thank you :)
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<robehend1>
rthomson: i've ran thinclients on atom machines. completely usuable
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<alkisg>
(08:28:24 PM) robehend1: alkisg: say, question. even after enabling nbdswap on the clients, i'm still getting lockups on firefox and such on fat clients. have some higher utilization in iostat for the hard drive, but i'm wondering if it could be anything else i should check before moving /home to another disk,nfs, etc
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==> firefox lockups? Or complete OS lockups?
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<robehend1>
alkisg: firefox lockups, it appears. but, of course, whenever it stops working, the students answer is "click on it until it works"
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<rthomson>
robehend1: yeah, we've got a couple LTSPTerm1720s and they are pretty good
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: to start tftp, the command is: sudo start tftpd-hpa
13:46
<rthomson>
but with dual 1680x1050 monitors attached, there can be a lot of network traffic
13:46
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: `sudo status tftpd-hpa` for the status, and check syslog for errors
13:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: it states that the job is already running. Same as /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa status
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it just does not list a PID
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<robehend1>
alkisg: i did go in and add the firefox3 optimizations found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Firefox3Optimize, and am going to see if that makes a difference.
13:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
nor is one created in /var/run. Is there supposed to be a PID created?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: try stopping it first. sudo stop tftpd-hpa
13:47
And then starting it again. I've seen upstart getting mixed up...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg, ok, one moment
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<alkisg>
robehend1: optimizations should be unrelated to firefox crashes, though
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Hmm. It says the process stopped then started, but I am not seeing anything for a PID, can't find the tftp related in ps aux, nor am I seeing anything listening with a netstat -anp |grep 69
13:49
<robehend1>
alkisg: well, evil_root had me take a look at my iostat, and we noticed some spikes. figured by turning the cache off, it wouldnt be utilizing it as much/
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: check the logs
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If might be telling you there why it doesn't start
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<alkisg>
robehend1: sure, optimizations are good. But their lack shouldn't result in crashes
13:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: /var/log/syslog -- "in.tftpd[PID]: Cannot set nonblock flag on socket: baad file descriptor"
13:53
<alkisg>
Google for that message... :)
13:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
:P
13:53
ok :)
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<robehend1>
alkisg: thats my thought to. espicially since its on fat clients
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<robehend1>
alkisg: i'm also seeing if i can replicate it in chromium, as i'm thinking they both would use a similiar amount of disk io
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<alkisg>
robehend1: so you think that the problem is disk io related?
14:03
Or could it be graphics related, or ram related, etc?
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<robehend1>
alkisg: well, they ahd me run iostat, and i did see some spikes up in the 90-100% range, for areas of 5-10 seconds. usually when i had the most users logged in
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alkisg: and the users homes are currently on teh same disk as the server itself
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<alkisg>
And what part of all this isn't normal behavior?
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<robehend1>
alkisg: no idea. I dont have a baseline for normal behavoir, hence just providing what information i have avaiable
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<alkisg>
After firefox crashes, everything else works normally?
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<robehend1>
alkisg: its not so much as one of those 'not responding' lockups. if i forge quit it, it usually goes fine
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<alkisg>
Try passing "nolock" as an nfs mount option, and see if that works around the problem
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<robehend1>
alkisg: where would I add that? I thought fat-clients ran ssfs
14:07
eh, sshfs*
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<alkisg>
Ah, I thought you were using NFS?
14:07
Nothing NFS related in your installation?
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<robehend1>
no, setting up NFS homes if our next step, if it cant be figured out
14:07
not a thing
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i'm on a bog standard fat-client install
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<alkisg>
Hmmm....
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Any atheros NICs?
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NM that problem is also with NFS
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<robehend1>
maybe one or two, but mostly broadcoms
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<alkisg>
Hmmmm again....
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<robehend1>
i'm really thinking of just wiping it out and building it all over, as this was sorta my 'learning' server..so who knows what else I could have done to it
14:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok, got it.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
in /etc/init/tftpd-hpa, I had to add --ipv4 to the end of the in.tftpd exec file.
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apparently there's something wrong with ipv6 errors
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