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Channel log from 2 February 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<kwak>
help!!! i always have xserver failed on my clients. what could be the cause?
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<perb>
hi
04:59
have some troulbe with my k12ltsp 6.0.0 installation..
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my thin-client terminal freez after a couple of seconds after log-in
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any ideas about how to look for the error??
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the server seems to run fine
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<Blinny>
Woah. Award and Phoenix are charging for their BIOS updates now? Grrrrrr
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<Blinny>
Woah I just booted my first client that showed Tux when booting. Nice.
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<perb>
have a problem with k12ltsp I need help with
08:15
my clients freez short time after loggin in
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any suggetions for troubleshooting?
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<Blinny>
perb: Do the clients get to the graphical login? Or see a grey-screen with mouse pointer?
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<perb>
i get to login
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and get the desktop up
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are able to start up firefox (and if I'm fast a terminal window)
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but after some seconds it freezes
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but I can still move the mouse pointer around the screen
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<Blinny>
Does it freeze if you don't open anything?
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<perb>
yes, i think i get the same "reaction"
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<Blinny>
Are you sure?
08:29
Also, check if there is there anything reported in the server's 'messages' log.
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<perb>
checked the log, but didn't seem unusual - but I'll check again if I get the same reaction without starting any programs
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hi don't have xdmcp services running.. have to install xdm package right?
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<perb>
Blinny: get the same reaction also when I don't start any programs..
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seems like the loggin screen also freezes if I wait for a while
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the last message in the log is: server pcscd: winscard.c:219 : ScardConnect() Reader E-gate 0 0 Not found
08:51
have the same problem with K12ltsp 5
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hi don't have xdmcp services running.. have to install xdm package right?
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<skyadmin>
hi a;;
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all
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I have a problem with nfs not loading on the thin clients
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
re again
09:54
when i start the PXE client found the dclpclient and when try to catch tftp boot vmlinuz-imagge-ltsp-1 said: TFTP too many packages
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what's wrong there?
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<knight__>
hi all
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<dan__t>
'morning.
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using netboot or pxe, sh3mh4mf0r4sh
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
yea yea i read now that at google
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but now said tftp server not support tsize
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option
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<dan__t>
which tftp server is being used?
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sorry, didn't read "start the PXE client" heh.
10:10
need more coffee.
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<marcoctba78>
olá
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<dan__t>
'morning
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<marcoctba78>
alguém ai sabe como instalar uma impressora em um terminal usando ubuntu com ltsp5
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<dan__t>
english?
10:13
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
tftpd of debian package
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<marcoctba78>
how to configure a printer in client of ltsp 5?
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on terminal
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<dan__t>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, there's "atftpd", iirc
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I used that a while ago for Cisco stuff, because whichever tftp server that came with CentOS at the time was limited.
10:16
<marcoctba78>
i am using ubuntu 6.10, and ltsp is working, but the printer dont'work on terminal, and the configuration is different that on ltsp 4
10:16
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ctba? #ltsp-br
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<marcoctba78>
curitiba
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<ogra_>
marcoctba78, just add PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
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to your lts.conf
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or PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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depending on what kind of printer you have ...
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<marcoctba78>
i had do it, but not work
10:18
<ogra_>
in the printer manager just point t a network printer with jetdircet port and the ip of the client
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<marcoctba78>
yes, and i put socket://ip address:9100
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in the ltsp 4 it works normaly
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<ogra_>
in gnome- orint manager ?
10:18
*gnome-printmanager
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<marcoctba78>
but in ltsp5 that is native on ubuntu not work
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<ogra_>
well, it works here
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can you paste you lts.conf to a pastebin ?
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<marcoctba78>
are you using ubuntu, or what?
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<ogra_>
also see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ .... all options in the example lts.conf are tested
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<cliebow_>
bbiab
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<marcoctba78>
ok, i ll see it
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sorry my english, is a sheet
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but thanks
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
dan__t: so need change to atftpd?
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<dan__t>
COuldn't hurt to try it out and see if that's your real problem
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
marcoctba78: hey
10:25
I'm from ctba too
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<cliebow_>
its....jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
hey chuckie
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
clap clap clap
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;)
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<jammcq>
laprag: hey
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<laprag>
hey jammcq!
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happy new year (a little late ...)
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<jammcq>
hey, good to see you
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<laprag>
and you!
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<jammcq>
you in norway?
11:36
<laprag>
yes
11:36
for the weekend only
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urgh, gotta eat. be back in 30 min
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<jammcq>
k
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<laprag>
hey
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wow what timing
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<jammcq>
oh?
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<laprag>
said i'd be gone 30 mins :)
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jammcq: how's it goin'?
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<jammcq>
goin great, as always. but... Now i'm heading out to lunch
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<laprag>
heh
12:11
30 minutes?
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<jammcq>
prolly a bit longer, gotta get in the car and drive somewhere
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so, hopefully you'll hang round for a wile
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err, while
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anyway, gotta run
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<laprag>
yup :) enjoy lunch!
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<jkommeri>
hey
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<laprag>
ho
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<jkommeri>
Is there any good documentation for ltsp-5
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I tried googling
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<jkommeri>
that did not help much
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<laprag>
did you look on http://wiki.ltsp.org/?
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<jkommeri>
yep
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<laprag>
and nothing you could use still
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<jkommeri>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation
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there is goof documentation for every other version but not ltsp-5
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/s/goof/good
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<ogra_>
jkommeri, we're still working on it
12:17* vagrantc is started to admit total hard drive failure
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<jkommeri>
ok
12:17
good
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<ogra_>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins and the ltsp5 section on the wiki might be your best nets
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*bets
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there is also some documentation in the ltsp-server and ltsp-client packages of debian and ubuntu
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hey vagrantc
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vagrantc, pulseaudio sound rocks !
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<marcoctba78>
Kaminski?
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<vagrantc>
ogra_: got it all nice and stuff?
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<ogra_>
yeah
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volume control for free :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra_: failing hard drives suck.
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<ogra_>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
this is the second day in a row that mine has given out on me.
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<jkommeri>
ogra_: what I am looking for is the file that replaces lts.conf
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<ogra_>
do you still use the clicking one you had in detroit ?
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jkommeri, its called lts.conf :)
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we made it obsolete, we didnt replace it :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra_: yeah. it hasn't been clicking as much.
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<laprag>
hey ogra
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<ogra_>
you use it only to override autodetection
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
have a kernel panick. could not automatically detect the network card PCI card should be detected automatically, ISA not detected, soy they require the nic driver to be specific in a 'NIC=' parameter to be passed on the kernel line, usually specified in option-123, in the dhcpd.conf fil
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i have set the both option-128 and 129
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<ogra_>
hey laprag i just returned from oslo
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what could be happend then?
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<laprag>
ogra_: oh? work?
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<ogra_>
yeah
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ubuntu dev sprint
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
any idea?
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<laprag>
oh. got any skiing done?
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<ogra_>
heh, no, only hacking :)
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<laprag>
:)
12:23
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what is the card?
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<ogra_>
and given that i never was on ski before i would have failed miserably
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vagrantc, good luck
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<laprag>
ogra_: always a first time :)
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sh3mh4mf0r4sh: ISA or PCI?
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<jkommeri>
ogra_: so I can still make node specific configurations to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf though it does not exist by default
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
onboard
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is a p4
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<ogra_>
jkommeri, yep
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<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: that's the cpu
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<jkommeri>
ogra_: good, thanks
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
so?
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<ogra_>
jkommeri, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
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<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: if you use the option-XXX method you need to know the driver, don't you?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
yes
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check me please
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option option-128 code 128 = string;
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option option-129 code 129 = text;
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thats all i have :S
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<laprag>
are you sure the onboard card is enabled?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
of course
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i only have that
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and can't open the PC
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any way have to work else dhcp client can't receive the ip
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<laprag>
is there another network card in the machine?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
no
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just that
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<laprag>
might be that the card is not supported by linux
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
why not the card catch the ip receive from dhcp-server
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<laprag>
do you get an IP when the machine boots?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
course
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kernel start to up
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and stop
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when said
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running /linuxproc
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no
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running /linuxrc
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mounting /proc
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then stop
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said that error
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kenel panic below
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i check the option-128 and 129
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dhcp-server restart ok
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but continues with errors
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<laprag>
in addition to the lines you showed
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for option blah
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you need another two lines for the client in question
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example:
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
option root-path "192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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option option-128 code 128 = string;
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option option-129 code 129 = text;
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<laprag>
option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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option option-129 "NIC=3c59x";
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but you need to know what the card is for this to work
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usually the kernel is as good as you to figure out the card
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so chances are that client will be a problem for you
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ahh then string stay or have to override with MAC?
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and Text same.
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<ogra_>
thats not a MAC
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<laprag>
that is not a MAC
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<ogra_>
you have to have all four lines
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what is that?
12:40
<ogra_>
a hex code
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<laprag>
it never changes, always the same
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ah ok
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so add the next 2
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<ogra_>
right
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ok
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<laprag>
BUT
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<ogra_>
and put the right driver name into the NIC= line
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
where i found that
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<laprag>
you need to know the card and the driver
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as ogra_ says
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
where or how can i got that hex code
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<ogra_>
just copy and paste it
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ok
12:42
<ogra_>
its the on eyou need
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ah ok
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<ogra_>
then find out manufacturer and model of your builtin network card, find out th edirver name for that card and put it into th eNIC= line
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<marcoctba78>
hi
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my printer on terminal ltsp5 ubuntu6.1, still with messenger "Network host '10.1.1.168' is busy; will retry in 20 seconds...
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anybody have ideia
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?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
well .. rebooting
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let c now
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:|
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<ogra_>
marcoctba78, set a root apssword with: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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then log in as root on the client and check if lp_server is running
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
i see TRL8111B/8168B thats the onboard
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<marcoctba78>
ok
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<ogra_>
the code for printing in ltsp 5 is 100% identical with the 4.x code
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so it *should* work
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s/on the client/on the client console (tty1)/
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ethernet
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RTL i mean
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<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: does google tell you what driver linux assigns to that card?
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<marcoctba78>
i put in lts.conf [00:0B:6A:F3:A5:FF]
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PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
no when i rebooting PXE said.
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<aseigo>
jammcq: ping?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
For Realtek RTL8111B/8168B Gigabit Ethernet Controller v2.03
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<laprag>
aseigo: he's out to lunch
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<aseigo>
laprag: damn =) thanks..
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<laprag>
:)
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
laprag: ?
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<ogra_>
i think the RTL8111B needs the r1000 driver which isnt in linux yet ...
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<dan__t>
er... this is correct
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i just got one the other day
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but mine's an RTL8110 - uses the same driver.
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<marcoctba78>
no print
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
so what i type at dhcpd.conf ? :|
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and what hex code
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<ogra_>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, it wont work
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there is no driver for your network card
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no matter what you configure in dhcpd.conf
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
so have to connect a netcard more old
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?
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<ogra_>
a different one ...
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
uhmm
12:55
tha's a bad news to my boss
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:\
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ok
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<ogra_>
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#RTL8111B/RTL8168B/RTL8111/RTL8168
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there is a linux driver
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<laprag>
but it's not in kernel yet?
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<ogra_>
but thats a heavy amount of work to get it into the kernel image
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and it might be unstable as hell
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<laprag>
hmmm, I have one on my laptop
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/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/r1000.ko
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not in use so I cannot say if it's stable
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<ogra_>
what distro is that ?
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debian ?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
well my debian only have in that just r8169.ko
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<laprag>
ogra_: ubuntu edgy
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<ogra_>
hmm, intresting, it seems to be in the ubuntu kernel images up to 2.6.17
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but seems it was dropped in any newer one
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probably to unstable
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
have an e1000
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that dhcp log said
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and lsmod said same e1000
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<ogra_>
i just talked to the kernel guys ... seems r8169 replaces r1000
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what hex code is e1000?
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<ogra_>
in kernels newer than 2.6.17
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
how can i see the hex code of any eth?
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<ogra_>
you need the driver loaded and use a tool ...
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or if you are lucky its printed on the card
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(or the mainboary in your case of an onboard card)
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what tool?
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<ogra_>
ifconfig for example
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
of course
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i see :)
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<ogra_>
the MAC adress wont help you
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you need to get the driver loaded
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
well
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hex code is correct
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just left me the correct driver
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<ogra_>
(i'd rather use a different NIC)
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<ogra_>
apart from that, this card should be PXE booting
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<marcoctba78>
/usr/lib/cups/backend/socket failed
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<ogra_>
aetting option-12{8,9} wont change anything with that
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PXE doesnt use these options at all
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marcoctba78, cups ?
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<marcoctba78>
yes
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<ogra_>
marcoctba78, there is no cups on the clients
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either installed nor running
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*neither
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<marcoctba78>
on ltsp 4.1 it works
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<ogra_>
there is no cups server on the client not in 4.x nor in 5.x
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<marcoctba78>
i upgrade last week
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<ogra_>
the only printing related app running on the client is lp_server
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
erm i use 4.2
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<marcoctba78>
and how you add printer?
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in system, printing ...
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<ogra_>
right
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<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: which hex are you talking about?
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<marcoctba78>
so, i choose printing on network
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<ogra_>
doubleclick on "new printer"
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<marcoctba78>
ok
13:14
<ogra_>
wait until the annoying db building is done ...
13:14
*sigh*
13:14
ah
13:14
on the next screen select "network printer"
13:15
<marcoctba78>
ok
13:15
<ogra_>
in the pulldown select "HP Jetdirect"
13:15
<marcoctba78>
ok
13:15
<ogra_>
for the host just add the ip of the client the printer is attached to
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<ogra_>
the port can stay at 9100
13:15* PMantis is OT again
13:15
<ogra_>
now click forward, select the right driver and tahst it :)
13:16
<marcoctba78>
so
13:16
i m do it
13:16
and not print
13:16
<PMantis>
Anyone know how to get `stat filename` to give me how long ago a file was modified, not the timestanp?
13:17
manpage not helping, and I can' think of a way to stack commands to get what I want.
13:17
<ogra_>
works here, tested with 4 usb and two parallel printers (HP, epson and lexmark)
13:17
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:17:31:AD:9E:02
13:17
<marcoctba78>
in boot, the printer is identified, hp deskhet 952c, i do this steps but not work
13:18
deskjet....
13:18
<ogra_>
i have a dskjet 3320 here ...
13:18
works flawless
13:18
usb ..
13:18
on edgy
13:18
<marcoctba78>
i try with 952c, laserjet 1100 and not work
13:19
<ogra_>
did you use the same driver in 4.2 ?
13:19
<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: right, and where do you use that? not in option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; I hope
13:19
<ogra_>
(or which driver are you using at all ? )
13:20
marcoctba78, did you check that lp_server is running on the client ?
13:20
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
erm i overwrite e4:45:blabla
13:20
why?
13:20
<marcoctba78>
in client?
13:21
but it is ltsp...
13:21
if i put printer in server its works normaly
13:21
<ogra_>
follow the procedure i described 30min ago to set a rootpw
13:21
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
laprag: the e4:45 is obligatory?
13:21
<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: why what?
13:21
<marcoctba78>
i do
13:21
<ogra_>
then ctrl-alt-f1 on the client and log in
13:21
check if lp_server is running
13:21
<laprag>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: tried to explain that earlier, yes
13:22
option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
13:22
is always the line
13:22
<ogra_>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, neither of the option- entries is read by PXE
13:22
you dont need them
13:22
they are only for etherboot
13:22
and your card surely has PXE support
13:22
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
look
13:23
start from begin
13:23
my dhcpd.conf
13:23
<ogra_>
how does your network card boot ?
13:23
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
option root-path "192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
13:23
option option-128 code 128 = string;
13:23
option option-128 00:17:31:AD:9E:02;
13:23
option option-129 code 129 = text;
13:23
option option-129 "NIC=e1000";
13:23
<ogra_>
do you use a bootfloppie ?
13:23
<marcoctba78>
on client in shell don't logon
13:23
<ogra_>
or does it boot from the mainboard bios via PXE ?
13:23
<marcoctba78>
don accept user and password, only in graffic mode
13:23
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
my hex code i see with ifconfig
13:23
<marcoctba78>
yes
13:24
via PXE
13:24
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, did you follow my instructions to set a password i gave you when we talked 30min ago ?
13:24
<marcoctba78>
i do
13:24
<ogra_>
then log in as root with the password you have set
13:25
<marcoctba78>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
13:25
<ogra_>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, how does your networkcard boot ? from a floppy ?
13:25
marcoctba78, right
13:25
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
no
13:25
direct by option of boot
13:25
bios
13:25
<ogra_>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, so it uses PXE from the BIOS
13:25
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
yes
13:25
<ogra_>
then adding lines with option option-128 or option option-129 wnt be used at all
13:25
no need that you add them to your dhcpd.conf
13:26
these options are only used for etherboot (booting from a floppy etc)
13:26
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
the lines are added
13:26
<ogra_>
but you dont need them
13:26
and they are not used
13:27
<marcoctba78>
ok, i logon as root in shell mode
13:27
on client
13:27
<laprag>
ogra_: I think you must be the most patient man I know
13:27
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what not need?
13:27
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, look with "ps ax" and see if you find lp_server in the processlist
13:28
laprag, years of telephone support experience :)
13:28
<laprag>
I believe you :)
13:28
<ogra_>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, kernel options for PXE booting are set in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
13:29
<marcoctba78>
don't have
13:29
<ogra_>
if you are using any 4.x version of ltsp that will be somewhere under /tftpboot
13:29
marcoctba78, aha ...
13:29
<marcoctba78>
that is...
13:29
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, can you paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ...
13:30
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for example
13:30
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
13:30
<marcoctba78>
#SERVER = 10.1.1.1
13:30
[default]
13:30
X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft"
13:30
X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0"
13:30
X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50
13:30
X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2
13:30
X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN = Y
13:30
XKBLAYOUT = br
13:30
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, ARGH !!!!!!!!!!!1
13:30
<marcoctba78>
#[impressora]
13:30
<ogra_>
please !
13:30
<marcoctba78>
#[00:E0:4C:77:98:B1]
13:30
[00:0B:6A:F3:A5:FF]
13:30
# PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
13:30
<dan__t>
heh
13:30
<ogra_>
read the topic !!
13:30
<marcoctba78>
# SCREEN_07=shell
13:30
PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
13:30
PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
13:30
#PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
13:30
PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100
13:30
#SOUND = true
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#PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
13:30
#Balcao
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[00:02:44:16:A1:B0]
13:31
XKBLAYOUT = en
13:31
<dan__t>
nice
13:31
<marcoctba78>
rsrrs
13:31
<ogra_>
PLEASE PLEASE use a PASTEBIN !
13:31
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
13:32
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, [00:0B:6A:F3:A5:FF] is definatey the right MAC ?
13:32
*definately
13:32
<marcoctba78>
whatis a patsebin, sorry... hehe
13:32
yes.. its a MAC
13:33
<ogra_>
<ogra_> marcoctba78, can you paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ...
13:33
<ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for example
13:33
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
13:33
<marcoctba78>
a MAC is correctly
13:33
<ogra_>
i see that it is *a* MAC
13:33
aha :)
13:34
you said its a usb printer ?
13:34
<marcoctba78>
rsrsrs, ok...
13:34
what syntax i choose?
13:35
is a parallel printer
13:35
<ogra_>
try dropping PRINTER_0_TYPE and PRINTER_0_PORT
13:35
only keep PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
13:35
reboot the client and check again if lp_server runs
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<Gadi>
ogra_: ping
13:37
<g333k_work>
Hi, is there a way to re-assign the sessions of the clients of a broken ltsp server to another server?
13:37
<ogra_>
Gadi, hey
13:37
<Gadi>
hey, ogra_: are either of these planned for feisty: XDMCP+localdev or ldm+separate ssh servers ?
13:38
<ogra_>
nope
13:38
<g333k_work>
Hi, is there a way to re-assign the sessions of the broken ltsp server's clients to another server?
13:38
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
13:38
<ogra_>
and the first might never happen
13:38
simply because we will get a nonencrypted ssh mode
13:38
<laprag>
g333k_work: pls explain a little better
13:38
<Gadi>
really? why not?
13:38
<g333k_work>
laprag, ok
13:38
<Gadi>
ah
13:38
<ogra_>
which is as fast as XDMCP
13:38
<Gadi>
has scotty stopped working on it?
13:38
<ogra_>
but has all the ssh advatages
13:38
i thik so
13:39
<Gadi>
"as fast" in terms of video, too?
13:39
<marcoctba78>
ok, but no work
13:39
<ogra_>
in fact he's running legalaid on ssh
13:39
<Gadi>
I thought he had legalaid on XDMCP
13:39
<ogra_>
(a patched version that allows cipher=none already)
13:39
<marcoctba78>
Network host '10.1.1.168' is busy;
13:39
<Gadi>
ah
13:39
<ogra_>
Gadi, he switched to edgy recently ...
13:40
<Gadi>
right. but at first it was edgy+XDMCP
13:40
<ogra_>
i dont hink it was edgy at all
13:40
i thinkit was dapper and 4.2
13:40* Gadi shrugs
13:41
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, so is lp_server running ?
13:41
<marcoctba78>
no
13:41* Gadi puts into his dev side burner to patch ldm for other ssh servers...
13:41
<Gadi>
for feisty
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<Gadi>
i know i keep saying it
13:42
but you guys dev so fast, i need to make sure i hit the right target ;)
13:42
<marcoctba78>
no appears with ps ax
13:42
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, can yu check if /dev/lp0 exists ?
13:42
<g333k_work>
I'll describe the situation: I have two identicals LTSP Servers called LTSP1 and LTSP2, Now I have 10 clients connected to the LTSP1, if LTSP1 dies, is there a way to re-connect the 10 clients to the LTSP2 server?
13:42
<marcoctba78>
exists :)
13:42
<g333k_work>
laprag, there you go..
13:43
<ogra_>
Gadi, avahi integration would be rad :)
13:43
<laprag>
g333k_work: ho, tricky one.
13:43
<g333k_work>
laprag, ?
13:43
<Gadi>
ogra_: we come from different philosophies
13:43
mine is that only the admin tells a terminal where to go
13:43
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, try running: /usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server -n 9100 -d /dev/lp0
13:43
<Gadi>
not a user
13:44
<laprag>
g333k_work: few apps are stateful and it would not work in practice
13:44
<ogra_>
Gadi, well, getting desktop apps that dont have avahi or zerofonc support will be hard in the future :)
13:44
*ueroconf
13:44
ergh
13:44
*ZZZZZZZeroconf
13:44
<Gadi>
i gotcha
13:44
but, those are apps
13:44
<ogra_>
my keyboard didnt
13:44
<g333k_work>
So what's the best solution to manage a group of clients with 2 or more LTSP servers?
13:44
<Gadi>
not server sessions
13:45
<laprag>
g333k_work: I assume you mean without losing data, perhaps even without users even noticing
13:45
<marcoctba78>
dont have ltsp in /usr/lib
13:45
<g333k_work>
send somebody to reset the terminals?
13:45
<ogra_>
well, for ldm having it discover all available login servers would be a dcool thing
13:45
<Gadi>
ogra_: depends on the environment
13:45
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, you are still logged in on the client console ?
13:45
<g333k_work>
laprag, noup... I dont care about the data.. I want the terminals alive again, after a server's failure
13:45
<ogra_>
Gadi, right
13:45
<Gadi>
I know places where it would be the worst thing in the world
13:45
<marcoctba78>
eys
13:46
<pscheie>
g333k_work: how frequently are you anticipating that your servers will die?
13:46
<ogra_>
marcoctba78, and you are sure you use ltsp5 ?
13:46
<Gadi>
g333k_work: you would need a statically linked shutdown binary copied into /tmp
13:46
<marcoctba78>
i install on synaptic of ubuntu 6.10
13:46
<g333k_work>
pscheie, nobody knows when their server is going to die right?
13:47
<marcoctba78>
and i read that this ltsp native is ltsp5
13:47
<g333k_work>
Gadi, can you tell me more about that?
13:47
<pscheie>
right, but good hardware is pretty reliable. I just don't see server failure as very likely
13:47
unless you've got crummy hardware
13:47
<Gadi>
g333k_work: well, you need a binary that you can call from RAM that will halt the system
13:47
<laprag>
g333k_work: you would need to code it. Ping the server or something, if no answer restart X
13:47
<Gadi>
that doesnt depend on any system libraries
13:48
<ogra_>
Gadi, https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp btw :)
13:48
<Gadi>
laprag: "restart" lives on NFS
13:48
<ogra_>
contributins appreciated
13:48
<marcoctba78>
this is the problem... with ltsp 4 everything works.. printers, usb, sound, but i have modify it
13:48
<Gadi>
ogra_: when I go from talk to action, you'll be the first to get patches ;)
13:48
<ogra_>
yay
13:48
it could get an ldm hook
13:48
<g333k_work>
Gadi, is a client able to do some operations when its server is down?
13:48
<laprag>
Gadi: ok, that's right
13:48
<Gadi>
what is python-ltsp?
13:49
<ogra_>
that automatically sets the theme or switches on clock or so ...
13:49
<Gadi>
g333k_work: anything in RAM
13:49
<g333k_work>
Gadi, I mean, when the server is halted
13:49
<pscheie>
Gadi: "
13:49
A set of modules that make programming python based administration tools for ltsp an easy task"
13:49
<marcoctba78>
i had debian sarge with ltsp 4, and now i install ubuntu, and caos is instaled
13:49
<Gadi>
g333k_work: when NFS drops, all the client has is whats in memory
13:50
pscheie: heh
13:50
<ogra_>
Gadi, import ltsp ... print ltsp.status.tftp() ... True
13:50
<Gadi>
i think i read that on a website somewhere
13:50
<ogra_>
things like that ...
13:50
<Gadi>
ogra_: cool
13:50
<g333k_work>
Gadi, ok, now lets imagine that I Have that "re-connection" script, how will the terminal know when to run it?
13:51
<Gadi>
g333k_work: wasnt I having this conversation with you the other week, or was it someone else doing the same thing?
13:51
you would need to add the lines to the end of the screen script
13:51
<cliebow_>
Gadi: you be willing to look over some thereal files if i send em to you?
13:51
<ogra_>
Gadi, or:
13:51
<g333k_work>
Gadi, maybe my co-worker....
13:51
<Gadi>
as it would be running in RAM
13:51
<ogra_>
>>> print ltsp.dictionary.videodrivers('/opt/ltsp/i386')
13:51
['apm', 'ark', 'ati', 'atimisc', 'chips', 'cirrus', 'cyrix', 'dummy', 'fbdev', 'glint', 'i128', 'i740', 'i810', 'imstt', 'mga'
13:51
---
13:51
<g333k_work>
Gadi, jcaceres ?
13:51
<Gadi>
yeah
13:51
thats him
13:51
<g333k_work>
Gadi, well we are working in the same issue
13:52
Gadi, so what was the solution?
13:53
<ogra_>
Gadi, python-ltsp is the one thing that wil make your life soo much easier for writing admin tools :)
13:53
<Gadi>
I suggested that at the end of the screen script he have some lines that once the X session goes down, if there was no user interaction in a certain amount of time, "shutdown" would be called
13:53
<ogra_>
i plan a hook for everything in the chroot
13:53
<Gadi>
but "shutdown" has to live in ramdisk
13:53
not on NFS
13:54
<g333k_work>
Gadi, so?
13:54
<Gadi>
so, you would need a statically linked shutdown binary that gets copied into /tmp on boot and that is called by the screen script
13:54
<ogra_>
Gadi, just bind mount it
13:55
<Gadi>
bind mount what?
13:55
<ogra_>
add it to the bindfiles variable in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
13:56
then it will be moved t the ramdisk during boot
13:56
*to
13:56
<Gadi>
whats "it"?
13:56
<ogra_>
shutdown
13:56
<Gadi>
bind mount to an NFS mount when NFS goes down, doesnt give you access to the binary from RAM
13:57
<ogra_>
i'm not sure about that ...
13:57
<Gadi>
?
13:57
what, it caches it?
13:57
<ogra_>
doesnt bind mount copy it to ram ?
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<Gadi>
I thought its just a pointer
13:57* pscheie wonders same as ogra
13:58
<Gadi>
thats why its instantaneous
13:58
<g333k_work>
I'm confused nw
13:58
now*
13:58
<AbuSami>
hi everybody :)
13:59
<ogra_>
Gadi, well, in ltsp5 we first mount a tmpfs dir ...
13:59
<marcoctba78>
i found lp_server in ./opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/
13:59
<ogra_>
then copy the bindfiles over to that
13:59
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
13:59
<ogra_>
and bind mount them back to their original places
13:59
<Gadi>
there ya go
13:59
you need to copy
13:59
<ogra_>
so the binary actually sits oin the ramdisk
13:59
<Gadi>
otherwise its a pointer
13:59
<ogra_>
yeah
14:00
what i wanted to point out its that we have a fubction doing what you want available
14:00
<Gadi>
so, that what im saying
14:00
ah, ok
14:00
<ogra_>
by adding the filename to a variable
14:00
<Gadi>
show-off! ;)
14:00
<ogra_>
heh :)
14:00
<pscheie>
ogra_: is that a ltsp-5 thing only?
14:00
<ogra_>
pscheie, yep
14:01
<Gadi>
g333k_work: but that's what you need to do. In absence of NFS, all you have is RAM
14:01
<pscheie>
rats
14:01
<ogra_>
but easy to implement in 4.x
14:01
<pscheie>
One could put all kinds of neat things in there
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<Gadi>
so, if you want to shutdown/reboot the terminal in absence of NFS, you need a shutdown program to run that is in RAM
14:01
<ogra_>
pscheie, thats how ltsp5 works ;)
14:01
<marcoctba78>
ok guy, thanks, i have to go
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<pscheie>
how to implement in 4.x?
14:02
<Gadi>
since the screen scripts are running in RAM, and are bash scripts, they can use bash commands in the absence of NFS to initiate the reboot
14:02
pscheie: in 4.x, you just copy if you need
14:02
or put the code in somewhere
14:02
<ogra_>
pscheie, look at the ltsp5 code ... debian/ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init has a function tthats called bind_mounts
14:02
<Gadi>
:)
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14:03
<ogra_>
all yu need is this function in an initscript ...
14:03
<Gadi>
LTSP5 doesnt do what g333k_work needs done, it just has some functions to help get stuff copied from NFS into RAM
14:03
<ogra_>
and then you feed it with paths
14:03
(or filenames)
14:04
<Gadi>
g333k_work: does that help?
14:04
<pscheie>
k
14:04
<g333k_work>
Gadi, Ok I understand some of waht you told me... the shutdown program you talk about is the existent shutdown program for linux right? now I need to copy it to RAM, then make some script call shutdown when the server is down?
14:05
<ogra_>
pscheie, if you write neat things let me know so we can consider them for ltsp5 :)
14:05
<Gadi>
g333k_work: not exactly
14:05
on your server, type: ldd /sbin/shutdown
14:05
<pscheie>
ogra_: what interests me at the moment is putting shutdown in there, along with Don Beckers pci-config tool
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14:06
<pscheie>
to try to get the NIC on some dell laptops to shutdown but leave their onboard NIC in a wake-on-lan ready state
14:06
<g333k_work>
Gadi, linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
14:06
libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7ea2000)
14:06
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fe6000)
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<pscheie>
supposedly, pci-config does this, but it shuts down the nic driver
14:06
<Gadi>
exactly
14:07
g333k_work: that tells you that shutdown needs those libraries in order to work
14:07
<pscheie>
causes problems on an root-over-NFS system like TCs
14:07
<Gadi>
now, since /lib for the thin lcinet is on NFS that doesn't work too well
14:07
<g333k_work>
Gadi, so I need those libraries to RAM too
14:07
<Gadi>
well, not exactly
14:08
<pscheie>
I'll let you know if I get the nut cracked
14:08
<Gadi>
because you won't have the dynamic library loading stuff to tell the program to load the libraries
14:08
so, your best bet is to "statically" compile shutdown
14:08
or a similar executable
14:08
so it does not need other libraries to work
14:08
<g333k_work>
Gadi, I see now
14:09
<Gadi>
and then copy that executable into RAM
14:09
make sense?
14:09
<g333k_work>
Gadi, you mean create a standalone shutdown
14:09
<Gadi>
exactly
14:09
<g333k_work>
Gadi, ok, everything cool so far
14:09
<Gadi>
all shutdown has to do is halt the system and send the correct interrupt
14:10
so, if not "shutdown" exactly, maybe "halt" or one of the other sysinit kinds of utilities
14:10
<g333k_work>
Gadi, I'd prefer a reboot instead a shutdown
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<Gadi>
its usually the same execuatble
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called with a different flag
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like "-r"
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<g333k_work>
Gadi, now... how the terminal will call the standalone shutdown?
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<Gadi>
with code at the end of the scrreen script
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for example:
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if you put code at the end of "startx", that code will be executed only after an X session dies and needs to be respawned
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so, if you add some command to wait a few seconds for someone to hit "Enter", and if no one hits anything, reboot, you should be good
14:12
I would add the user intervention so that the thin client doesnt reboot *EVERY* time X dies and needs to be respawned
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<g333k_work>
Gadi, that's what I want
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<Gadi>
that could get annoying
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even easier then
14:13
<g333k_work>
Gadi, That my clients reboot til they find some server to connect to
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<Gadi>
just add a call to "shutdown -r" (or similar) at the end of startx
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but, if you want user intervention, use "read and echo" with appropriate timeouts
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<g333k_work>
ok... let me try it and I will tell the results ok?, 1st Learn to compile a static program :p
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<Gadi>
there ya go
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good luck
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<g333k_work>
Gadi, Thanks
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<Gadi>
np - let us know if you get it going
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also, be careful doing it in a production environment ;)
14:17
<cliebow_>
Gadi: care to look at some ethereal captures?
14:18
<Gadi>
sure, why not. But, keep in mind, I turn into a pumpkin real soon
14:18
<cliebow_>
me too..can i mail you a tar file?
14:18
<Gadi>
its alread 3:16PM EST
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please
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<cliebow_>
and 30 seconds
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<Gadi>
gadi at ltsp.org
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ogra_: you still here?
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<ogra_>
yep
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and dont complain abut 3:16
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<Gadi>
how come when I open the ldm glade file in glade, it doesnt show any widgets?
14:20
<cliebow_>
done.. i think
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<ogra_>
its 9:16pm here :)
14:20
<g333k_work>
Gadi, now... when my client reboot it will going to find the dhcp offer of my second ltsp server, but it will have a different IP of the first one, will it load well?
14:20
<ogra_>
Gadi, because glade cant handle gnomecanvas
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<Gadi>
g333k_work: when it reboots, it will have no IP
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ogra_: ah....
14:21
that was bugging the heck out of me
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did you code those widgets by hand?
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<cliebow_>
g333k_work: keep an eye out..when i was troubleshooting i exhausted all my available ip addys
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<ogra_>
i want to get rid of gnomecanvas since quite some time
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but havent found a good alternative yet
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i want full svg support for the themes
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<Gadi>
what does gdm use?
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<ogra_>
gnomecanvas
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and some xml magic
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but gnomecanvas is huge
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and slow
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<Gadi>
yeah. thats the other thing I need to patch if Im gonna move my SBAs to feisty LTSP
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and ldm
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<ogra_>
all we need is an svg interpreter and some widgets for input etc
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<Gadi>
all I need is a good book for reference ;)
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<ogra_>
the problem is the wideget placement
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thats where gnomecanvas comes in
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<Gadi>
would it help if you copied the themes and images to RAM before running ldm?
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<ogra_>
you can dynamically replace the widgets so it scales very nice ...
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they still need to come from NFS
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<cliebow_>
Gadi: i shipped that out..did you get it?
14:24
<Gadi>
yeah, but they could come all at once
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<ogra_>
the real solution is to have vector themes
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<Gadi>
without NFS requests back and forth
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cliebow_: just got it
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<cliebow_>
8~)
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<ogra_>
but themeing wasnt the highest prio with ldm on my list ... things like proper autologin are more important ...
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or server selection ...
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<Gadi>
I dont care about themes
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<ogra_>
or even a configuartion file
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<Gadi>
I care about speed
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<ogra_>
well, you care about speed
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if you wipe all themeing ldm is breezingly fast
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<Gadi>
I want feistily fast ;)
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<ogra_>
haha
14:27
i wont have the time to work on ldm before feature freeze
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(which is feb 8th)
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so it will be feisty+1
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<Gadi>
feb 8!
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wow
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thats soon
14:27
what are you doing here?
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;)
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<ogra_>
relaxing
14:27
i work since 10am
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<Gadi>
whatever floats your boat, as we say
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<ogra_>
doing a bit support is always relaxing me ... dunno why ...
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<Gadi>
ok. cliebow_ what am I looking at/for?
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<ogra_>
no, atually i'm poking around with pam_ldap, pam_mount and sshfs
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sadly openssh and pam_mount dont like each other very much ...
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<cliebow_>
gadi:Hate to bother you..but this idriving me nuts..
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<Gadi>
we're not looking for NSA passwords or anything are we?
14:30
<cliebow_>
Gadi:if you look at bondifromwin you see successfuly beginnning of tftp where a win machine provides the info
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g3fromlinux is successful boot from linux dcp on g3
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<cliebow_>
g3 from win is failed attempt to start tftp from windows..ive combed over it so much maybe im not seeing why tftp wont start from win on a g3
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g3 seems to produce those 31 malformed packets consistently in g3 and g4
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hey my initram have inside the r8169 but keep going unload the net module
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<Gadi>
cliebow_: these things make your head spin
14:33
are your thin clients on 10.10.0?
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<cliebow_>
driving me crazy..it should just work
14:34
yes.10.10.10.254 is server
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the 192 stuff is my lappie booting a g3
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since 10.10.10.254 runs dhcp on 1001/2
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hey some one ca help me!!!!
14:35
<dan__t>
Anyone using LTSP on any of those HP thin clients?
14:36
<g333k_work>
Gadi, where do I get the shutdown source file?
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<ogra_>
Gadi, oh, btw: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/testtcm.png and http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/tcm2.png
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<g333k_work>
from?
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<cliebow_>
i think Gadi's head is spinning atm
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<dan__t>
Like these: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/12454-321959-89307-338927-89307-472257.html
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<g333k_work>
lol
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<dan__t>
ogra_, like I've said before, I'd be happy to test things like that out for you.
14:37
I'd offer more, but alas, I do not code :)
14:38
<Gadi>
cliebow_: it just looks like its not making the TFTP request
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perhaps the dhcp server is not providing it with the info?
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<ogra_>
dan__t, yep, should be availiable during the weekend ... i'm not done reviewing the code yet
14:38
<cliebow_>
looks to me like it is not doing next-server
14:38
<dan__t>
Very cool. very, very cool.
14:38
<cliebow_>
?
14:38
<dan__t>
Hell, I'll even write documentation.
14:39
<Gadi>
ogra_: cute. is that all vnc magic?
14:39
<ogra_>
yes, vcn as well
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and a lot of dbus
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<cliebow_>
dan__t: you can always workon the wiki for documentation..
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<dan__t>
That's a good start.
14:40
<Gadi>
ogra_: very cool
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<ogra_>
pete is moving all backend functions to a python-tcm (thinclient-manager) i plan to merge that into python-ltsp
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<Gadi>
ldm dependent?
14:40
<ogra_>
so in the future you only need python-ltsp and have access to all that functionality
14:41
it will surely have an ldm module, yes ... but nobody forces you to use it :)
14:42
the lts.conf parser alone is enugh to use it :)
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oh, and if you want xdmcp functions, that can be added
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currently the userlist is generated from checking open ssh X connections ... but we can add a switch
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the dbus pieces that run in the users session and the frontend are generic
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<cliebow_>
ogra_:this is awesome..
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<ogra_>
and i think pete added a module that connects via ssh to remote servers now ...
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so the frontend can be extended for multiple server management in feisty+1
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<Gadi>
ph call - 1 sec
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<pscheie>
ogra_: are those Screen Viewer views just snapshots of the user's desktop or are they realtime?
14:46
<ogra_>
together with thinclient-configurator (ltsp-manager) we have a nice base of tools ...with the python-ltsp modules it should be easy to write webfrontends or CLI tools for maintenance
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<pscheie>
IOW, if the user starts up an app, is the view updated?
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<ogra_>
pscheie, realtime would kill your network with 10 users
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<pscheie>
that was my concern.
14:47
<ogra_>
afaik he updates a screenshot every 10 secs
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<pscheie>
static shots is more than enough to be way cool
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<ogra_>
what we plan to do is having a "mouse over" effect that shows you a 640x480 popup in realtime
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so you can hover over the classroom to see it realtime ... but one by one ...
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:thanks for looking..guess im gonna book it for homee
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<dan__t>
Hrm, alright, I'm getting ready to add a printer to a client. The wiki doesn't really detail this, but does the printer *need* to support JetDirect?
14:49
<ogra_>
no
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<pscheie>
dan__t: I don't think so; the client acts as the JetDirect
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interface
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<dan__t>
Interesting.
14:49
That's pretty bad-ass.
14:49
Know what, this whole thing is fscking awesome.
14:50
<ogra_>
the client forwrds all data from port 9100 to /dev/lpsomething
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<dan__t>
I'm very very impressed, I really am.
14:50
ok, excellent.
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<ogra_>
totally dumb procedure
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<ogra_>
but ingenious if you quickly want to build a printserver :)
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<dan__t>
Yes.
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<cliebow_>
dan__t: you said it...i've had some hand-holding by this group at 7 in the mornng on a Sunday..
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<Gadi>
sorry guys - gotta run, too. Have good weekend, all
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<dan__t>
said what, cliebow?
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hah!
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works like a CHARM!
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<GiantPickle>
Has anyone in here had experience running win4lin with ltsp?
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<dan__t>
Nosir. Are you doing it?
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<GiantPickle>
I is... had no problems using the Win9x version of Win4Lin terminal server
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WinXP version seems to have issues
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but I don't know if it is just win4lin slowness (known) or if it is something additional to do with my ltsp setup
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I shall keep tweakin'
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<jcaceres>
hello, i have a question, i had full working ltsp hola
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hello, i have a question, i had full working ltsp server, i have cloned this server, i have change the configuration of this new server
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setting up the macs an also changing the dhcp.conf file
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but aparently it is not fingding the new nfs in server, btw, i had to change the ip of this new server to another one
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the intentios was to have 2 servers in the same lan
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waht else should i change in the clonned ltsp server?
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<AbuSami>
jcaceres : any help
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<jcaceres>
nop
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