IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:16
<vagrantc>
ogra: more boolean fixes for mainline ...
00:18
ogra: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/features/vagrant-ltsp-boolean
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<erdinc>
hi all
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03:32
<troels>
Has any of you gotten ALSA to work in LTSP ??
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04:06
<madcore>
so silence...
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04:31
<tsurc>
Buzzy working on getting sound to work on some wyse winterms;)
04:31
so in the same boat
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05:23
<rabenkind>
Hello, does some know if a ppc-port is available, on the client side? Any hint or link? Thanks
05:29
s/some/someone/
05:33
<ogra>
you need a ppc client with CDrom to set it up, but it works in ltsp5 in ubuntu
05:33
(if you have an i386 server i mean)
05:35
<rabenkind>
Yes server is i386, but no CDRom on the clientside. It is IBM 8362-A22.
05:36
<ogra>
you need at least any kind of ppc to set it up ...
05:37
(with CDRom)
05:38
there is a tgz of a ppc root for 4.2 anywhere, search the wiki
05:38
<rabenkind>
Yeah but the link is dead.
05:39
<ogra>
and apart from that, cliebow is the guy who uses ppc a lot, wait until he's around (US time)
05:39
<cliebow>
rabrnkind:build /opt/ltsp/ppc with an ibook
05:39
<ogra>
he can probably point you in the right direction
05:39
<cliebow>
or somethiing
05:39
<ogra>
cliebow, why are you up ? it must be horribly early at your place
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05:41
<rabenkind>
Okay. I want to build it in a crosscompilation toolchain. Or maybe on a RS6000. Thanks for help.
05:42
<ogra>
if you use ltsp5 there is no need to compile anything
05:42
if you can set up a chroot in a vm that will suffice as well ... all you need is a cpu or a cpu emulation that can use the ppc binaries
05:43
<rabenkind>
Server is running ltsp-4.2. Ok the latter is worth to give it a chance.
05:43
<ogra>
doesnt your rs6000 have a cd ?
05:44
<rabenkind>
the rs has a cd.
05:45
<ogra>
cool, get a ubuntu liveCD and boot it .... install ltsp-server on the i386 server and in your ppc liveCD session ... mount /opt/ltsp from the server and run ltsp-build-client on the ppc ... thats it ...
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05:55
<cliebow>
ogra:i have a tarball for 4.1
05:55
its 6 am
05:55
almost 7
05:56
<ogra>
as i said, horribly early :)
05:56
<rabenkind>
That sounds easy, thanks.
05:56
<cliebow>
8~)..wife is headed for work already
05:56
<ogra>
i have to make that ltsp5 tarball for ppc one day... we only have an i386 one
05:57
<cliebow>
that would be neat..i need to try it on a g4..but all i ever see is wrecked ones..
05:58
<ogra>
its two releases ago that i tested ppc last....
05:58
nad giv the fact that canonical is moving away from ppc support it wont improve
05:58
*and given ...
05:59
(i have to do ppc in my spare time now)
05:59
<cliebow>
i have 4.1 for ppc on my lappie...bil-c was woreking on 4.2 but he is hard to get hold of these days
05:59
<ogra>
well, the ltsp5 install is easy enough, but forces you to use the liveCD on the client
06:00
<sep>
ogra, i rebuilt ltsp-manager on etch. i assumed the tool should write a lts.conf file. but i didnt manage to make that happen. are there some prerequisites i should have ?
06:00
<ogra>
sep, nope, its only a code preview, it doesnt write anything
06:00
<sep>
ogra, aahh
06:00
<cliebow>
how do you mean live cd? to create the chroot?
06:00
<sep>
exaplains it :)
06:00
looks nice tho :) usable for a nongeek
06:01
<ogra>
(i think its written in the package description, not sure)
06:01
i'm just throwing it away in favor of writing python-ltsp
06:02
<cliebow>
ogra:what about live cd?
06:02
<ogra>
sep, i'm planning the first upload of python-ltsp to ubuntu for tonight ... it will make writing admin frontends a breeze
06:02
<cliebow>
you need the tgz off live cd to build chroot?
06:03
<ogra>
cliebow, yes, to create the chroot ...
06:03
no
06:04
but ltsp-build-client runs apt and apt needs the arch it was built for ... i cant run apt for i386 on a ppc system
06:04
so you need to boot a live system, install ltsp-server (to get ltsp-build-client) and run it with the /opt/ltsp dir mounted rw from the server
06:06
i always wanted to write a qemu mode for it so you dont need the client ... but its a lot of work
06:07
and qemu isnt really fast ...
06:08
<sep>
ogra, kqemu modules entered etch now. make a _world_ of a difference
06:08
<ogra>
how did they enter etch ? they are not free ... or did the license change ?
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06:09
<sep>
Section: non-free
06:09
<ogra>
ah, k
06:10
sadly no option for ubuntu ...
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06:10
<ogra>
i can only use stuff from main for development ...
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06:10
<ogra>
i can only use stuff from main for development ...
06:10
(or restricted for binary stuff thats redistributable)
06:11
<sep>
yes licences are a pain
06:11
<ogra>
what about the rumours that ltsp will be dropped from etch ? did avgrant get the RC bug sorted ?
06:11
*vagrant
06:12
<sep>
he have the packages they just need uploading
06:12
<ogra>
well, the 8 days are over, arent they ?
06:13
i have enough DDs in ubuntu i could ask to do a NMU for him ... he knows that
06:14
<sep>
i know he have coresponded with dd's abotu a upload im not certain what's the holdup
06:15
<ogra>
would be odd if it were not in etch
06:16
<sep>
yeah
06:17
<cliebow>
ogra:the edgy llllive cd right?
06:18
<ogra>
yep
06:18
cliebow, you should always use the same version on both arches for that
06:18
>>> import dhcp_parser
06:18
>>> print dhcp_parser.ltsp_dhcpd_conf()
06:18
[('range_from', '192.168.0.20'), ('range_to', '192.168.0.250'), ('domain-name', 'example.com'), ('domain-name-servers', '192.168.0.1'),
06:18
:D
06:19
<cliebow>
one more ?..i can run an ibook off linux dhcp or bondi..any g3/4..i can run a bondi using windows dhcp..but damned if i can get an ibook to tftp using windows dhcp with the same params i use on linux
06:19
ogra:yes i see whaat you are saying'
06:19
<ogra>
>>> import ltsp_status
06:19
>>> print ltsp_status.tftp()
06:19
True
06:19
:D
06:20
cliebow, i have no clue about windows dhcp ... i didnt even see a win dhcp server from far ...
06:20
i know that this one works fine:
06:20
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
06:21
<arc_>
that module name doesn't follow python guidelines
06:21
ltsp.status
06:21
:P
06:21
<ogra>
arc_, how would you call it ?
06:21
hmm
06:21
well
06:21
it should be ltsp.ltsp_status
06:21
<arc_>
underscore is ok for functions
06:22
<ogra>
but that might be redundant ....
06:22
<arc_>
it's
06:22
<ogra>
i was just fearing some other module might use status() as a plain function
06:22
<arc_>
that's why you need ltsp.
06:22
<ogra>
so that would break if you do: from ltsp import *
06:23
<arc_>
programmers should take care of that
06:23
but not only for ltsp
06:23
for any module they import using *
06:23
<cliebow>
thanks ogra..snow day here so maybe i can make it happen..i see nothing in yours oi havnt already tried though
06:23
<ogra>
well, i am a programmer :) and try to take care for it through the namespace
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06:23
<arc_>
ogra: you don't need to follow conventions if you don't want :)
06:24
<ogra>
i do
06:24
else our archive admins wont let my package through ;)
06:25
<arc_>
ogra: underscore is the php way to substitute the dot, but php doesn't have namespaces
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06:26
<ogra>
well, i currently dont have a module ready, i load from ./ ... the real module will be under ltsp/ in site-packages ...
06:26
<arc_>
:)
06:27
<ogra>
so you will have to prefix with ltsp
06:27
<arc_>
nice
06:27
<ogra>
but that wont solve the submodule issue with the namespace
06:27
<arc_>
but please, avoid ltsp_status
06:27
do you see gtk.gtk_main or gtk.main?
06:27
<ogra>
having only status as module name should be fine though ...
06:28
but then i need to prefix the functions to avoid clashes with from blah import *
06:29
(if you will develop an ltsp admin frntend you will very likely just do: from ltsp import * ... since you want all the functions ...
06:29
)
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06:32
<arc_>
ogra: if you want all the functions, then you don't mind if another status function is out there
06:32
ogra: that's how import * is intended to be
06:33
<ogra>
well, i might also want the status function from the foo module ... if i'm silly enough and do from foo import * as well, which status() function d i get ?
06:33
<arc_>
ogra: that's the "client" responsability, yours is using ltsp namespace
06:33
ogra: the last you imported
06:33
<ogra>
right ...
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06:52
<sep>
ogra, pere uploaded ltsp right now.
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06:52
<ogra>
sep, cool
06:52
<sep>
(happy happy joy joy)
06:52
:)
06:53
<ogra>
ah, yes, i see the mail now ...
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07:12
<envite>
Hola a todos desde España
07:12
Hello all from Spain
07:14
<arc_>
canaries are not spain
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07:15
<envite>
arc_: Canary Islands ARE
07:15* arc_ shakes his emepaya's flag X)
07:15
<arc_>
envite: just kidding
07:16
<envite>
I know ;)
07:16
arc_: 've you readed what I wrote on Wiki about Sound on KDE?
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07:18
<envite>
Hello cliebow_
07:18
<arc_>
envite: nope
07:18
envite: should I?
07:20
<envite>
arc_: IF you use LTSP, KDE and sound on them... or if you want make me happy ;) yes, you should
07:20
<cliebow_>
envite:Halloo
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08:14
<jammcq>
g'morning
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08:15
<cliebow_>
jammcq:good mornings
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09:30
<irule>
hi Im on 4.2u2 and tried rdesktop but I found a gray screen with an X cursor, whats wrong?
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09:46
<mhterres>
hey guys
09:46
hi jammcq
09:47
Hey, I've got a problem, I think
09:47
with USB in LTSP
09:47
I can mount my pen drive in a thin client and can use it without no problems
09:47
but I need to access a win2k3 ts via rdesktop and use this pen drive inside the windows
09:47
any ideas ?
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09:52
<sepski>
mhterres, a usbpen on a thin client transfered to a remotedesktop.. i think that's pretty hopeless. unless you make your own scripts around a nbd solution
09:53
<ogra>
or samba ...
09:53
<sepski>
i think nbd is linux - windows capable
09:53
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
I think there's a solution on 'man rdesktop'
09:53
<mhterres>
hmmmmm
09:53
maybe samba, I think
09:54
<ogra>
unless windows supports fuse you wont see a ltspfs based implementation
09:54
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
-r disk:<sharename>=<path>,...
09:56
<mhterres>
kaminski-ltsp-br, We need to mount the pen after the rdesktop is loaded
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09:56
<efra>
Morning everybody
09:56
<mhterres>
afternoon :-)
09:58
<efra>
:)
09:59* efra takes note "There are different timetables on differente places of the world"
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10:22
<g333k_work>
Hi, can I install ltsp 4.2 in ubuntu 6.10 without problems? I remember I had to make an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 first and install ltsp 4.2 afterwards
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<cliebow_>
4.2 should be pretty much agnostic..til you get to localdevs anyway
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12:05
<dan__t>
What do you guys run as your servers?
12:05
This celeron 2.0 w/1G RAM just isn't cutting it.
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12:11
<pscheie>
dan__t: how many clients?
12:12
<dan__t>
hm, 15
12:12
Running gnome.
12:12
<pscheie>
a celeron is good for only five, maybe six clients
12:12
<dan__t>
I'm having bottleneck issues. Load average on the server can get very high - 50-70 - so I think I can limit it to the processor itself.
12:12
Yeah, that's what I'm finding :)
12:13
I've never done this before. Still a learning experience.
12:13
<ogra>
1Gig with gnome ?
12:13
<pscheie>
after that, the smaller cache, fewer transistors, smaller pipelines, buses to memory and cache, etc. all take their toll
12:13
<ogra>
gnome 1.x i hope
12:14
<pscheie>
you could try xfce or icewm to lessen the load, but I think your server will still struggle
12:14
<ogra>
a decent gnome 2.x needs about 128M per running client
12:14
s/client/session/
12:15
<dan__t>
ok.
12:15
<pscheie>
considering a celeron with 1GB RAM costs ~$350 and an Athlon64 X2 costs <$600, I'd go for the Athlon, no question
12:16
<dan__t>
haha yeah.
12:16
I'm pricing out some specs right now.
12:16
Trying to find the price break for decent Intel chips right now.
12:16
I've been out of the game for quite a while, I must admit :(
12:18
<pscheie>
HP ProLiant a1600n, Athlon 64 X2 3800 w/1GB RAM, SATA disk = $565 at Best Buy
12:19
has four memory sockets, only two of which are in use, so adding another gig means just buying the memory sticks and putting them in
12:19
prolly another $150 or so, less if you hunt for it.
12:20
<dan__t>
Alright, that's a good one.
12:20
Anyone have issues with a 64bit server supporting 32bit clients?
12:20
Anything like that?
12:20
<pscheie>
I'd stick with 32-bit for now, too many application problems with 64 bit
12:21
<ogra>
works fine, but remember that the desktop runs on the server
12:21
no flash ....
12:21
<dan__t>
I understand.
12:21
That's what I'm thinking, pscheie.
12:21
<pscheie>
64 bit is useful currently only if you must go past 4GB ram in the server
12:21
and if you do, I'd suggest getting a second box
12:21
rather than trying to put that many eggs in one basket
12:22
<dan__t>
Noted.
12:23
Another thing is, I'm trying to find a local supplier.
12:23
So I'm trying to get an idea of what's out there, what I want, so I can go pick it up and build the machine here at work.
12:23
<pscheie>
where are you?
12:23
<dan__t>
Phoenix.
12:24
There's essentially Fry's Electronics (outpost.com), and PC Club, where I can get hardware.
12:24
<pscheie>
I'd suggest a dual core processor, since the cost over single core is pretty small nowadays
12:25
<dan__t>
Looks like the price break is at the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz anyway.
12:25
<pscheie>
Get SATA drive, they have somewhat better performance than the old (ribbon cable) parallel drives
12:25
<dan__t>
That's the plan
12:25
heheh
12:25
<pscheie>
I like AMD chips over Intels generally, although the Core 2 Duo is getting better reviews now
12:25
either is fine
12:26
Make sure you have a gig card for the client side.
12:27
<dan__t>
hrm, I can't deliver that. The machines are very old.
12:27
<pscheie>
Realtek-based cards are cheap, but they seem to tax the CPU more than an Intel card, so I'd say get the Intel if you can afford it
12:27
<dan__t>
The network is 100MBit
12:27
I'm not looking for tantastic preformance.
12:27
Network does not appear to be the bottleneck.
12:27
<pscheie>
clarification: gig card for the server; clients only need 100mb
12:28
And then get a switch which has 24 100mb ports and one or two gig ports
12:28
<dan__t>
yeah.
12:28
<pscheie>
plug the server's gig card into the gig port, plug clients into the 100mb ports
12:29
<dan__t>
yeah.
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<dan__t>
Ok... Core 2 Duo E6600, Asus P5L-MX, Corsair DDR2 667
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~$520 w/o tax.
13:06
That'll work.
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<pscheie>
That sounds good
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<dan__t>
that'll work eh?
13:19
and 2x Seagate 80G SATAs
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
13:23
<dan__t>
How do you guys normally observe and troubleshoot network bottlenecks with LTSP?
13:23
Any special methods?
13:24
<ogra>
jammcq, pong
13:25
<dan__t>
iptraf was showing ~10.3MB/s when the card was negotiated at 100MBit FD
13:26
Guess a Celery 2.4 really just sucks that hard for this job haha
13:26
<jammcq>
hey, i've got a guy I want to introduce to you. he's working on 'Pardus' linux and wants to integrate LTSP-5 into it
13:26
<dan__t>
Because even with Gnome, 100MBit clients should have no problem with this Dore 2 Duo system w/2G RAM, right?
13:26
<jammcq>
erdinc: say hello to ogra
13:26
<erdinc>
hi ogra
13:26
<ogra>
hey erdinc
13:26
nice to hear
13:27
<jammcq>
he's in Turkey
13:27
(the country, not the bird)
13:27
<erdinc>
:)
13:27
<pscheie>
dan__t: right
13:27
<ogra>
right
13:27
what's Pardus using for package management ?
13:27
<erdinc>
pisi
13:27
let me give you more details
13:28
http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/PiSi.html
13:28
we wrote in python
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<dan__t>
Alright, well, off to get parts for this new box.
13:28
THanks for all the help guys.
13:28
Much apprecated.
13:28
<erdinc>
also we are using pkzip and lzma
13:29
<pscheie>
dan__t: btw, if you can afford it, have a look at the new 10,000rpm SATA disks
13:29
<erdinc>
we'll use pardus and ltsp in a very big project Im not sure than jim mentioned about it or not
13:29
<pscheie>
it'll help your performance a bit
13:29
<erdinc>
more than 650 pardus server
13:29
4500 client
13:30
<ogra>
nice !
13:30
<erdinc>
national ministry defence of Turkey
13:30
<jammcq>
erdinc: is Pardus a new distro?
13:30
<erdinc>
we started to work 3 years ago
13:30
<jammcq>
oh wow
13:30
<erdinc>
1st we chose gentoo as base to make a distro
13:30
and we made a livecd
13:31
but then we left gentoo and make our own
13:31
<ogra>
do you have some tool to build chroots in Pardus ? like debootstrap or anaconda ?
13:31
<erdinc>
last year we announced pardus 1.0
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and like 2 months ago we released pardus 2007
13:32
we dont have debootstrap or anaconda
13:33
<ogra>
well something similar then
13:33
<erdinc>
yes
13:33
we have our own package manager
13:33
<ogra>
the thing you use from your installer to make the initial system for example
13:33
<erdinc>
also instead of init we wrote a new init system in python
13:34
<dan__t>
pscheie, with those specs, how many users could I expect to be able to handle?
13:35
<erdinc>
its like this; yali (our installer) is responsible to make disk partitions and then yali talks to pisi(package manager) and comar(configuration manager)
13:36
<ogra>
ok, so pisi is your bootstrapping app ...
13:36
<erdinc>
we may say
13:36
pisi also talks to comar
13:36
<pscheie>
dan__t: with 2gb ram, you should be able to get at least 20 users, but that really depends on the apps you run
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<erdinc>
for service scripts and postinstall stuff
13:36
<ogra>
the first thing you should do is check out https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/ltsp-mainline with bzr
13:36
<pscheie>
if your users all just run, say, firefox, you can probably get to 25
13:37
<ogra>
then have a look at the plugins directory in the server subdir
13:37
<pscheie>
run free and top regularly to see how your ram is doing; as long as there's no swap you'll be okay
13:38
note: you may see a tiny bit of swap used after a while, say 150k; that's okay, not a problem
13:38
<ogra>
add a directory for pardus and try to write plugins that do the same with pisi we do with apt and debootstrap in ubuntu and debian
13:38
there is documentation about the plugins in the source tree
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<erdinc>
let me check
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<pscheie>
I'm not sure what it is, something the kernel decides to put there, but I see it regularly on boxes
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<ogra>
erdinc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToWriteLTSP5Plugins might also help
13:39
<pscheie>
that have plenty of ram available
13:39
most of which will be used for disk caching, which is a good thing
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<ogra>
erdinc, what we do in ltsp5 is the following:
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debootstrap a chroot in /opt/ltsp
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then chroot into that dir
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then install the xserver, soundserver and stuff we need for local devices in there
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we also have a package called ltsp-client we install in there that puts tw initscripts in place
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one to configure the thin client (X servr autodetection etc)
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and one that starts the ltsp login, either ldm, the ltsp login manager or one of a bunch of other sessions
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<ogra>
thats about it fr the client side ...
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*for
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<erdinc>
I see
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<ogra>
on the server we have a script that copies the kernel from the client chroot into the tftproot ... and one that cares for the sshkeys for the ltsp login manager
13:43
thats all muecow ltsp is ...
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<erdinc>
ok, as Pardus Linux we would like to join this project
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integrating and developing so on..
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you can find more details about us http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng
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<ogra>
great, as i said, look at the code and add what you need to get it running under pardus, if you got questions, sbalneav, vagrantc and me are the main developers on this ...
13:45
<jammcq>
heh, exactly what I said :)
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<erdinc>
from now on we'll be a part of it :)
13:46
<dan__t>
pscheie, I'm only going to shoot for Firefox and Thunderbird.
13:46
I wish FF managed it's memory better.
13:46
What about interface bonding, you guys ever done anything witht that to increase network preformance?
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<pscheie>
I haven't but others have. I think there's a link to a doc about it on the k12ltsp wiki
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<erdinc>
when we finish this project we are expecting more governmental institutes will use ltsp based system working on pardus
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<pscheie>
dan__t: http://web.archive.org/web/20041209100501/k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/bonding.htm
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for ff, are you anticipating a lot of flash and web apps, or mostly users just reading text?
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if the latter, I doubt you'll need to worry about bonding
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<dan__t>
I jsut want to eliminate bottlenecks.
13:53
Just hoping this new CPU kit will work alright.
13:55
Thanks for the link.
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<pscheie>
I've forgotten: how many users do you have?
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<dan__t>
I think this DUl E6600 at 2.4GHz will run circles around that Celeron 2.4
13:55
about 15, running Gnome
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<g333k_work>
Hi, can I install ltsp 4.2 in ubuntu 6.10 without problems? I remember I had to make an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 first and install ltsp 4.2 afterwards
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<pscheie>
oh, with 15, that box with 2GB RAM will be plenty; don't worry about the nic bonding
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<dan__t>
And the proc as well?
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<pscheie>
I was thinking you had 25-45
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<dan__t>
not yet.
13:56
maybe, but no time soon.
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<pscheie>
yes, the proc *speed* isn't that important
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<dan__t>
Like I have 3 users on that Celeron 2.4 is at 100% CPU
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RAM wasn't an issue on that machine, it was only swapping like 60M
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<pscheie>
but you're going from a single core to a dual core, plus a bigger cpu cache, plus bigger lines to memory and cache, etc.
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<dan__t>
It had 1G in it.
13:57
yeah, the cache will rock.
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From 128k cache to 4M cache.
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and, well, you can't argue with a Duo
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<pscheie>
Mind you, if the users are all hitting flash-heavy sites, it might have an impact
13:59
that's why to the question of 'how much hardware do I need?' the answer is always 'it depends'. ;-)
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<dan__t>
heheh
14:04
Alright. THanks again, I really appreciate it.
14:04
I came across LTSP and I was all "Oh, we've gotta do this". So I didn't have a whole lot of time for testing and such.
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<pscheie>
It really IS cool the first time you put a floppy disk into an old machine with no hard drive and it spring to life!
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as a speedy client
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<dan__t>
yeah.
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UI is what I've been concerned with most.
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Picky users, don't want to interrupt their work ya know?
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<pscheie>
you click on the icons to star the apps--how hard can it be? I know, I know...
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<ogra>
bbl
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<HobNobblin>
Any one having troubles getting a VIA Rhine II to work?? I get a "dhcpcd failed" message and some moderate googling hints that the rhine driver in 2.6.17.8 might be buggered. Clues?
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<cliebow>
wanna try 2.6.16.1
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?
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<HobNobblin>
I'll give it a shot I s'pose
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<cliebow>
i think there was some probs with 2.6.17
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<HobNobblin>
rock on. 2.6.17 are teh sux0r :) . Thank you cliebow, that worked a treat
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<cliebow>
Coolio:chalk one up for the jammcq
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<HobNobblin>
and now my X cursor is screwy. It never ends
14:33
<cliebow>
grey screen?
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<HobNobblin>
the mouse cursor shows up as a funked up box while doing certain things
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<cliebow>
what is your video card? and is xserver=auto?
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in lts.conf?
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<HobNobblin>
xserver is auto
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I just got this terminal to play with so I'm not too sure on the specs yet...
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<cliebow>
is video card an intel? perhaps?
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<HobNobblin>
Via S3
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<cliebow>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#S3_and_S3Virge_cards
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<dan__t>
I had issues with Rhine cards, too.
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<HobNobblin>
I guess if all else fails just use vesa :P
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<dan__t>
damni.
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damnit, too!
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<dan__t>
beh.
21:19
Well, I got all this hardware - appears that this NIC is not yet liked by FC6 all that much.
21:19
hah
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<Patina>
What kind of NIC is that?
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<dan__t>
RTL8110SC, and I spoke too soon - I was feeding the machine the ltsp vmlinuz
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Instead of the FC6 vmlinuz.
21:25
I've never touched PXE before this project - its very, very cool.
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<Patina>
Ok, it would surprise me if a NIC wouldn't work, unless it's wireless.
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<dan__t>
Yeah.
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This is brand spankin' new, very modern NIC as far as I can tell. I'm sure it's simply possible it's too new to not require a driver disk.
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Which is going to be a problem, since this is also a test as to how well I can install a machine without an installation drive, i.e. cdrom, disk, floppy.
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<dan__t>
fscking a.
21:40
that was cake.
21:40
i love pxe.
21:42
Getting closer - anaconda can't find a working module for this network card.
21:43* vagrantc breathes a huge sigh of relief as new ltsp packages finally got uploaded to debian
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<dan__t>
ah right on time with everything else eh
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<vagrantc>
dan__t: ??
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<dan__t>
Just playing along with the joke that the Debian guys, well, take their time
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<vagrantc>
sure. it usually hasn't been a problem (and debian and ubuntu are actually much further along than any other distro with ltsp 5.0)
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not to brag too much or anything :)
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<dan__t>
Oh, you know what I mean.
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heh
22:08
I'm having a hell of a time getting this install to work.
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I think I'm going t have to make my own driver disk here soon.
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Which is going to be difficult, because I'm trying to do *all* of this via pxebook
22:11* vagrantc pities the poor anaconda user
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<vagrantc>
as long as we're making distro-related stabs :)
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<dan__t>
Oh, well taken.
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haha
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welp, bah.
22:14
i'm going to piss and moan about this some more ok?
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<vagrantc>
you could try debian-installer :)
22:14
<dan__t>
or not
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<vagrantc>
worst that happens is it gives you lots of other things to complain about... or even worse, that it would work like a charm :)
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<dan__t>
If there was any documentation associated with Anaconda, I would be tickled pink.
22:21
Erm, I read in some old LTSP documentation earlier that there's a "kitchen sink" kernel somewhere.
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<tinpardo>
hi
23:35
<dan__t>
hello.
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