IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:15
<xwind>
hey folks, my ltsp client boots but it stops with the ff message:
00:16
ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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ipconfig: no devices to configure
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how come?
00:17
is there a way that i can pass a boot option so that i can specify sky2 as my network card driver?
00:17
i have a Marvel 88E8056 netcard.
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<johnny>
i think so.. via lts.conf
00:22
i think it's something like
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MODULE_01=sky2
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00:24
<xwind>
so not in the boot option of vmlinuz
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01:01
<alkisg>
Hi, has anyone used dnsmasq as a tftp server for ltsp? Everything works ok but lts.conf is *not* transferred to the client, I get a "dnsmasq: TFTP unsupported request from 192.168.0.201" error. Any ideas?
01:01
<vagrantc>
yeah, i've been getting the same
01:01
<johnny>
really vagrantc , i thought you said you had it workin?
01:01
<vagrantc>
johnny: not lts.conf
01:01
<johnny>
cuz i was getting that, but i assumed something else was going on :(
01:01
ok, must be a bug in dnsmasq
01:02
or is it in our request?
01:02
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i think i worked around it by adding some commandline option to tftp ...
01:02
<alkisg>
I'll try all the options then, thanks. Any ideas how to assign different hostnames to clients?
01:03
I need the clients to be different than "ltsp" to get the guest feature working. Firefox does not allow multiple instances if the users have the same name (username=ltsp, password=ltsp)...
01:04
<vagrantc>
alkisg: you can write an RCFILE_NN script that sets the hostname
01:04
<alkisg>
vagrantc, I thought there was a HOST_NAME directive in lts.conf?
01:04
So I was thinking, [192.168.0.201] HOST_NAME=ltsp201
01:04
<vagrantc>
almost certainly not in ltsp5
01:05
<alkisg>
OK, that's why I couldn't get it to work! :)
01:05
Are ip-based sections supported in lts.conf? Like [192.168.0.201]? Or only mac-based ones?
01:05
<johnny>
i know hostnames are..
01:06
seems like a nice lil script could say build a list
01:06
<alkisg>
johnny, thanks, thats better
01:06
<vagrantc>
mac address, ip address and hostname are supported
01:06
<johnny>
that took mc addresses and changed them into a format like ltsp$num
01:06
<vagrantc>
alkisg: can't find any references to HOST_NAME as an lts.conf option anywheres, so i don't think it's even a regression :)
01:07
<alkisg>
OK, so with an RCFILE_NN script I'll be ok. I don't know what a lil script is yet, but I'll manage it. Thanks! :)
01:07
vargantc: let me see the link...
01:07
<vagrantc>
johnny: at freegeek, we basically have an init script that runs very early and sets a hostname based on the ip address
01:08
<johnny>
aha.. that's a smart route too
01:08
<vagrantc>
the other option is to set up a DNS server that generates hostnames based on an ip range ...
01:08
it's pretty much a one-liner in bind9
01:09
<johnny>
hmm..
01:09
seems like dnsmasq should allow you to do it with external scripts
01:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc, I can't find the link. I think dnsmasq has a dhcp-script option... yeah, johnny said it
01:11
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "hostname.sh snippet" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/532
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01:14
<alkisg>
vagrantc, thank you very much
01:14
<vagrantc>
it would be nice to handle everything from dnsmasq, though.
01:14
<johnny>
vagrantc, well a custom script on the server side would be more maintainable than the client right?
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01:16
<vagrantc>
johnny: i don't really see the difference... you maintain it in one place either way.
01:16
although, if you're doing sqaushfs images, i guess client-side is more hassle.
01:16
like i said, it would be nice to just integrate into dnsmasq
01:19
ok... so adding tftp -m binary to the ltsp_nbd script should fix it ... at least, it does when i do it manually.
01:20
i guess dnsmasq doesn't support ascii transfers ?
01:24
yup, it only supports binary mode.
01:25
<johnny>
aha.. bug identified..
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01:41
<primar1>
Hardy is killing me: this morning we get message "this workstation is not authorised..." quick fix anybody
01:41
<johnny>
that's normal atm sadly
01:42
after an important security fix was released
01:42
you should run ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
01:42
<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
01:48
<primar1>
johnny I get message that the command cant run
01:49
i can only run the ltsp-update-image, we I did
01:52
<johnny>
you need to run ltsp-update-sskheys
01:52
err sshkeys*
01:53
<primar1>
root@mshome:/# ltsp-update-sshkeys
01:53
bash: ltsp-update-sshkeys: command not found
01:54
<johnny>
you are not inside the chroot are you?
01:55
<primar1>
nope
01:56
sorry I was
01:56
<johnny>
does it work now?
01:57
<primar1>
yep
01:57
<johnny>
ever new hardy install that upgrades is going to have that problem, since all the images are shipped with broken openssh builds
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<johnny>
and upgrading is good, otherwise it is much too easy for you to become vulnerable
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02:01
<primar1>
now i have a different issue " after booting and splashscreen I get message on clients " Busybox.....
02:01
<xwind>
vagrantc, can u help me with my problem please.
02:01
my ltsp client boots but it stops with the ff message:
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ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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ipconfig: no devices to configure
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02:04
<xwind>
my ltsp server and ltsp client have the same netcards and so i was expecting that ubuntu 8.04 will boot on both.
02:07
<sepski>
xwind, check that your nic driver is in the initrd (for the client)
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02:16
<primar1>
johnny all working now thank you dude]
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02:21
<xwind>
sepski, tnx, my /opt/ltsp/i386/initrd is currently empty.
02:22
i am guessing that my driver is sky2 for the Marvel Yukon NIC 88E8056
02:22
how do i add the nic to initrd?
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02:23
<ogra>
xwind, ubuntu has it by default, what distro are you using ?
02:23
<xwind>
Ubuntu 8.04
02:24
<ogra>
/lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko
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(also in -16, i'm using the kernel from hardy-proposed)
02:25
ogra@osiris:~$ modinfo sky2|grep description
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description: Marvell Yukon 2 Gigabit Ethernet driver
02:25
<LL01>
how come on some clients I don't get X server only busybox and some client got ldm ?
02:25
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: psst, -17 is not out yet ;)
02:25
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, yeah, i know, but i dropped -16 already and was to lazy to edit the paste :)
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02:26
<xwind>
is it a matter of just copying sky2.ko to /opt/ltsp/i386/initrd?
02:26
<ogra>
no
02:26
<Q-FUNK>
:-P
02:26
<ogra>
it is in the default initramfs, no need to do anything on your side
02:26
whats the exact error you have ?
02:27
<xwind>
the client boots, loads vmlinuz .... then stops giving me the ff error:
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02:27
<xwind>
ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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ipconfig: no devices to configure
02:28
<ogra>
then it drops you to a shell i bet
02:28
<xwind>
kernel panic
02:28
<ogra>
hmm
02:28
what arch is the server ?
02:29
<xwind>
i386, i used the alternate CD of Ubuntu 8.04
02:29
in syslog, i get: "in.tftpd[5666]: tftp: client does not accept options"
02:30
<ogra>
thats fine
02:31
hmm, looking at lunchpad there are a good bunch of bugs with that driver
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02:32
<xwind>
is it possible that the nic works on the server but will have issues when it is on the client?
02:32
my client and server machines are exactly the same.
02:32* ogra needs to reboot to test new usplash speedups for intrepid .... back soon
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02:33
<primar1>
q-funk: I just check we do have the geode and amd xserver driver are installed Setting up xserver-xorg-video-geode (2.8.0-7) ... Setting up xserver-xorg-video-amd (2.8.0-7) ...
02:33
<Q-FUNK>
right, that's the one from hardy
02:33
you'd need the one from hardy-proposed
02:33
<primar1>
but our amd units still dont get to login screen
02:34
<Q-FUNK>
and the xserver-xorg-core from hardy-proposed too
02:35
<primar1>
core nope
02:35
how do I install just core
02:36
we have a class with 40 learners busy with OOo currently on our 40x HP terminals
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but we would love to get our AMD units going as well, especially since we paid a crap lot of money for them
02:37
<LL01>
what is hardy-proposed?
02:41
<Big-K>
hi guys
02:41
have a few problems with ltsp
02:42
1. when users logout, there are still few processes running, especially gvfs and gconf
02:42
<Q-FUNK>
LL01: the repository for proposed updates to ubuntu/hardy
02:43
<Big-K>
2. my monitors go into standby after ~10 minutes
02:43
<primar1>
yeah we had same problem in gutsy, took us days to kill them all but they came back
02:43
now we have some clients not able to run firefox, seems to be running already
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<johnny>
the firefox already running seems to have gone away in hardy
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but the processes left running.. not so much
02:44
it's more of a bug in gvfs stuff imo
02:44
but ltsp should still clean up after it somehow
02:44
<Big-K>
aha
02:44
<primar1>
ogra: thin client manager freezes once you start the program
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02:45
<johnny>
thin client manager is not supported in hardy
02:45
italc was recommended instead
02:45
<Big-K>
did anyone notice that monitos standby issue?
02:45
*monitor
02:45
<johnny>
you can set it in the default gconf perhaps
02:45
in /etc/gconf somewhere
02:46
<Big-K>
me?
02:46
<johnny>
yes
02:46
<Big-K>
it's no confoig issue
02:46
the monitors go into standby while working
02:50
it's really weird, seems like they getting no signal since boot
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<primar1>
johnny cant find that
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03:35
<Big-K>
has somebody an idea about that monitor thing?
03:35
maybe a bug?
03:36
<johnny>
i doubt it's a bug
03:36
<ogra>
Big-K, if its a geode CPU thats a known one
03:36
<johnny>
isn't it just the default setting for gnome?
03:36
<Big-K>
no it's pentium 4
03:36
<ogra>
oh, sorry, mistook that
03:36
<johnny>
oh? do they not come out of standy when you move the mouse?
03:36
<Big-K>
but it shouldn't turn off at work
03:36
no
03:36
no return
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03:37
<ogra>
likely gnome-power-manager or gnome-screensaver being mean
03:37
you can disable DPMS with gconf keys for them
03:37
<Big-K>
ok will try
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04:17
<alkisg>
johnny, about dnsmasq and ltf.conf not transferred via tftp:
04:18
10 2.023440 192.168.0.201 192.168.0.1 TFTP Read Request, File: /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0\000, Transfer type: octet\000, blksize\000=1456\000
04:18
12124 352.450308 192.168.0.201 192.168.0.1 TFTP Read Request, File: /lts.conf\000, Transfer type: netascii\000
04:18
The difference is that pxelinux.0 is requested as octed, while lts.conf as netascii
04:18
Which script is responsible for the netascii request?
04:19
If we change this to octed, I guess it'll fix it.
04:19
<johnny>
that's intersesting
04:19
i don't knwo
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<alkisg>
Also, it doesn't use the /ltsp/i386 path, but that's not the problem
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04:34
<alkis1>
johnny, (I don't really know if you're interested!), in chroot/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd there is a line
04:34
(echo "get ${tftpath}/lts.conf"|tftp ${ROOTSERVER} >/dev/null 2>&1)
04:35
<root__>
Hi I have a weird problem. I have upgrade my LTSP Server (lenny) to version 5.1.5-1. I did ltsp-update-image. Now some users canstill login, some not and the ldm screen comes back. The only error I see is something like 'famd[1830]: stat on ".#lk0x8111a28.hostname.8339" failed: No such file or directory' anyone an idea what iam missing? Many thanks
04:35
<alkis1>
which is responsible to get the lts.conf. I guess if I insert there "binary" and the command afterwards, it'll work...
04:36
johnny, so what's the correct command? is \n supported? (echo "binary\nget ${tftpath}/lts.conf"|tftp ${ROOTSERVER} >/dev/null 2>&1)
04:36
<johnny>
i don't know
04:37
i just put the lts.conf in the chroot and left it for now
04:37
<alkis1>
I mean about shell scripting, how do you echo and [return]?
04:37
/and/a
04:37
echo "\n" ?
04:38
Sorry, found it, echo -e
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<alkis1>
johnny, if you're still interested, I did it as I described above:
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dnsmasq: TFTP sent /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf to 192.168.0.201
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Now lts.conf gets sent just file.
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it's: (echo -e "binary\nget ${tftpath}/lts.conf"|tftp ${ROOTSERVER} >/dev/null 2>&1)
04:47
<root__>
exit
04:47
Hi I have a weird problem. I have upgrade my LTSP Server (lenny) to version 5.1.5-1. I did ltsp-update-image. Now some users canstill login, some not and the ldm
04:47
screen comes back. The only error I see is something like 'famd[1830]: stat on ".#lk0x8111a28.hostname.8339" failed: No such file or directory' anyone an idea what
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<johnny>
you already asked
04:48
and don't login as root, it's a bad idea
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to irc
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<gekkos_>
sorry lost my connection Hi I have a weird problem. I have upgrade my LTSP Server (lenny) to
04:59
version 5.1.5-1. I did ltsp-update-image. Now some users can still
04:59
login, some not and the ldm screen comes back. The only error I see is
04:59
something like 'famd[1830]: stat on ".#lk0x8111a28.hostname.8339"
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failed: No such file or directory'. Anyone an idea what I am missing?
04:59
Many thanks
05:10
<johnny>
stop that
05:10
nobody said anything
05:10
<cyberorg>
hi johnny
05:10
<johnny>
howdy cyberorg
05:11* johnny tries to make it to the hackfest
05:11
<cyberorg>
caught up with your discussions earlier about ltsp on opensuse :)
05:11
<johnny>
cyberorg, i was mostly asking why it was a seperate distro
05:11
didn't understand kiwi
05:12
<cyberorg>
some clarifications, kiwi is completly distro independent design, it should work with any distro that uses smart, if required it would be easy to add other packagement tools
05:12
http://kiwi.berlios.de/
05:13
<johnny>
aha..
05:13
thanks cyberorg
05:13
<cyberorg>
as you can see kickstart is no where what kiwi is :)
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<johnny>
yeah, but i was referring to storing the kiwi config like kickstart stores its's config
05:13
in the ltsp repository directly
05:13
<cyberorg>
and why kiwi-ltsp and not just ltsp, is a FAQ :)
05:14
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
05:14
<johnny>
not whether they compared with each other
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<cyberorg>
kiwi does thin clients even without ltsp and is used in novell's enterprise TC products, what we have done is injected ltsp packages in it
05:16
http://www.novell.com/products/thinclient/
05:18
as kiwi is distro independent it really would be great to see LTSP6/7 use that for all distro ;)
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06:24* ogra hugs stgraber
06:24
<ogra>
thanks for the proxy fix
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<stgraber>
ogra: ?? wasn't that included like a while ago ? :)
06:26
<ogra>
i thought so as well
06:27
<stgraber>
did you get a mail from demo.lp.net ?
06:27
<ogra>
yep
06:27
<stgraber>
I did a LP demo this morning about this bug :)
06:27
I don't quite know why demo.lp.net now sends mail ...
06:28
<ogra>
ahhhhh
06:28
ok
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<ogra>
i was thinking i had a typo
06:28
<stgraber>
I also received the mail and wondered why demo is sending mail as it's supposed to be "demo" and not annoy people with mails ...
06:29* stgraber hopes he didn't mail all bugmail subscribers with his demo ...
06:30
<stgraber>
ogra: did you have some edu sessions at UDS ? except one or two for Intel I haven't seen much planned
06:30
<ogra>
parental control and the edubuntu-menus gui
06:31
not much beyond that .... today i'm all in mobile sessions
06:31
improving bootspeed etc
06:31
<stgraber>
ok, do you think we could interface the parental thing with iTalc ?
06:31
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080523-1.png
06:31
:)
06:31
<stgraber>
so a teacher could block the internet access for everyone in the classroom ?
06:31
<ogra>
we could, yes
06:31
well
06:32
the thing runs locally
06:32
its a desktop app
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but listening to dbus messages, so we could do something through avahi etc
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<stgraber>
we would need some kind of dbus call or similar stuff to turn the blocking on/off, of course as ICA is running as the user it's still possible to turn it off ...
06:33
<ogra>
well, it has that call already
06:33
<stgraber>
but italc itself can be killed by the user, so no big problem :)
06:33
<ogra>
just a matter of getting it safely through the network
06:33
<stgraber>
don't need to do it through the network
06:33
I can just call it from ica
06:33
<ogra>
hmm
06:33
right
06:33
that would work
06:34
<stgraber>
I already do that for the gnome session stuff IIRC (and DCOP for KDE)
06:34* stgraber is still dreaming of a single way to request a logout/reboot/shutdown ...
06:35
<ogra>
we'll get there
06:35
i need some ldm interaction here as well from the logout dialog
06:36
<stgraber>
yes, and I could use that to trigger a thin client reboot/shutdown when italc is running on the server
06:36
that would solve lots of problems :)
06:37
<ogra>
well, lunch ... need to go ... laters ...
06:37
<stgraber>
enjoy
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<gekkos_>
Hi, i have a very weird problem. After upgrading my ltsp-server (lenny) to 5.1.5-1, I did ltsp-update-image, now some users can login and some not. I don't get error in syslog. Anyone an idea? Txs
07:10
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: geode is finally in proposed. when can we sit down with bryce and test this?
07:11
<ogra>
i have an important session at 3pm
07:11
after that i think i'm free
07:11
hmm
07:11
even though there is another bootspeed session planned
07:11
i might have to go there
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: what about now? bug 0 session ?
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<ogra>
yep
07:18
<Blinny>
What about if I used the CD? Could I boot to an amd64 alternate CD and choose 'Upgrade', and have the installer figure out which packages I have and upgrade them all from i386 to amd64?
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: ok, geode finally propageted to hardy-proposed.
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<david__>
Hey, guys. I've got an old customer running 4.2. One client won't boot the 2.6 kernels. It was working fine with the 2.4.26-ltsp-3 kernel.
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08:21
<david__>
Does anyone have the 2.4.26 tgz file handy?
08:24
<jammcq>
david__: I don't think the 2.4 kernel will work with LTSP-4.2
08:24
LTSP-4.2 requires udev, which didn't exist in the old kernels
08:27
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: hardy-proposed and intrepid now have everything we need.
08:28
<david__>
as I said, this is an old customer. I haven't touched their system in two years, until this week. MOved them to a new server, and beleived them when they said all the clients were booting properly.
08:29
<jammcq>
are you sure it was 4.2 ? maybe 4.0 or 4.1
08:30
<david__>
I thought it was 42
08:30
apparently not.
08:30
<jammcq>
on an old customer of mine, I have 2.4.24-ltsp-1 and 2.4.24-ltsp-4
08:30
which would you like?
08:31
and do yo want the PXE or the Etherboot one?
08:32
<david__>
well, they've got 4.2 now (I'm sure of that), so I may have to rethink this.
08:33
out of 17 clients, two won-t boot
08:33
<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: bwahahahahahaha (/me rubs hands together)
08:36
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: needs to be tested and still misses proper GX support, but LX should now work spotless.
08:36
<david__>
jammcq, thanks for offering the 2.4 files, but I think I need to work something else out first.
08:37
jammcq, thanks also for reminding me about udev.
08:37
<Gadi>
"proper GX support" as in the issues Ive raised wrt GX2?
08:37
<Q-FUNK>
yup
08:37
<Gadi>
ah, ok
08:37
<Q-FUNK>
that PCI ID overlap with the older NSC driver
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<david__>
jammcq, Why would /tmp/var not get created on a 4.2 client? Any ideas?
08:41
<jammcq>
hmm, dunno. It's been so long since I've played with that stuff, I just don't remember
08:42
<david__>
same here... ;-)
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08:53
<zeltron>
Hi
08:53
I'm back with my problem that don't want to be solved :
08:54
I installed an ltsp5 server, and my clients don't want to boot
08:54
They load nbi.img without a problem, but when they're trying to boot the kernel,
08:54
I've got an error message
08:55
<laga>
i assume you're going to tell us the error message.
08:55
<zeltron>
trying to see if it's initramfs. It isn't (bad gzip magic number
08:55
Here is it ;-)
08:56
I've tried lot of solutions found on the net, nothing works
08:56
looks like my nbi.img was corrupted
08:56
but my clients boot without a problem on nbi.img with a ltsp 4.2 server
08:58
When I try to force them to boot on pxe or vmlinuz, it doesn't work
08:59
<warren>
Q-FUNK: my e-mail is down, is the coreboot ROM easy to update?
08:59
Q-FUNK: I'd like to use this thing as a demo when I'm traveling
08:59
<david__>
jammcq, thanks again.
08:59
<zeltron>
Sorry, I forgot : my LTSP5 server is a debian Etch
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09:01
<zeltron>
I've tried to re-install it a lot of times (with various options and mirrors for ltsp-server and ltsp-build-client))
09:01
nothing works
09:04
I'd like to get a valid nbi.img and test it (debian etch i386)
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09:05
<Q-FUNK>
warren: you'd need an updated binary and 'flashrom'
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09:07
<Q-FUNK>
warren: then, put all that into the chroot, configure lts.conf to give you a console, then run flashrom with the binary
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09:12
<zeltron>
When I try : zcat nbi.img-2.6.18-6-486
09:12
I got htis message :
09:13
zcat: nbi.img-2.6.18-6-486 : not in gzip format
09:13
should it be ?
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09:29
<rgevaert>
Hello
09:29
I'm new to ltsp. I have set it up on Ubuntu Hardy, and I'm having problems configuring my tftp server
09:30
I have configured in the dhcp server that the thin client has to boot from a certain tftp server
09:30
when I pxe boot my client it can download the kernel and initrd
09:30
however it now tries to connect to the tftp server
09:30
but the tftpserver != ltsp server
09:31
how can I configure that?
09:31
Is there some configuration that needs to be done in the pxe config file?
09:31
Or in the create images?
09:40
<cliebow>
rgevaert, ive been away a copuple weeks..dont dare say a word
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<petre>
morning all
09:45
<rgevaert>
hi
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09:51
<petre>
with 4.2 and the vesa driver, is the max resolution 800x600?
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<Blinny>
petre: I've never been able to get it to go higher than 800x600.. but I'm not sure I did everything correctly too.
10:08
<petre>
I've got an iPaq that uses the vesa driver, but despite a zillion various X settings attempts, I can't ever get more than 800x600
10:09
<Gadi>
petre: have you looked in the xorg log?
10:09
it will tell you what modes it tried and which it threw out and why
10:12
<alkisg>
Gadi, try these in your lts.conf:
10:12
X_MODE_0=1024x768
10:12
X_HORZSYNC=30.0-70.0
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X_VERTREFRESH=50.0-120.0
10:12
If the monitor refresh rates are not detected properly, then X_MODE_0=1024x768 doesn't work, so you have to override X_VERTREFRESH etc
10:12
<Gadi>
thanks, but im good
10:13
<alkisg>
Sorry, I meant petre
10:13
<Gadi>
petre: see alkisg
10:13
:)
10:13
<petre>
right, lemme try it...
10:14
<alkisg>
petre, if you see that the resolution did change, you should also find out the X_VERTREFRESH of *your* monitor. The above refresh rates give 1024x768@85Hz
10:14
<petre>
monitor is an lcd
10:14
which don't really have refresh rates, do they?
10:15
<Gadi>
sure
10:15
<alkisg>
They do, but they're fixed, e.g. at 60Hz
10:15
<mraudsepp>
@60Hz is best for most of them.
10:15
<Gadi>
always gotta refresh the screen
10:15
otherwise the picture doesnt change
10:15
:)
10:15
<mraudsepp>
Usually @75Hz is accepted too, but that often gives worse results, as it might be emulating it and really run at 60Hz in hardware anyway
10:16
<petre>
okay, I was thinking in terms of 'electron beam sweeping across pixels' as in a crt
10:16
<Gadi>
with lcds they dont sweep they shimme
10:16
<mraudsepp>
I guess you could phrase it as 'LCD transistors changing their state at a rate of 60Hz' :)
10:19
<alkisg>
Maybe you should put X_VERTREFRESH=50.0-70.0 since it's an LCD...
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<alkisg>
My 1280x800 lcd has horizsync=30.0 - 75.0 and vertrefresh=60.0
10:21
<petre>
nope, still 800x600
10:21
<alkisg>
Did you put that under [Default] section inside the chroot and then ltsp-update-image?
10:22
<petre>
no, this is 4.2, so I just put it in lts.conf
10:22
<alkisg>
Oh, ok, I thought it changed in 5.0
10:23
Can you login to the client and see if lts.conf was transferred ok, and also see /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
10:23
Alt+Ctrl+F1, user root etc
10:24
<petre>
yes, I can see the /tmp/XF86Config.1 file
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<alkisg>
Wow, many differences from 5.0! Does it have vertrefresh etc?
10:26
<petre>
yes, in the Monitor section, says VertRefresh 60.0
10:26
<alkisg>
And horizsync?
10:26
<petre>
30.0-70.0
10:27
<alkisg>
And 1024x768? :)
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<petre>
Screen section has Display subsection with Modes 1024x768
10:27
<Blinny>
Amazing. Today, my 15-minute load average is .02
10:27
<alkisg>
Well, seems fine to me, except that it doesn't work! :D
10:28
<petre>
lspci says video controller is Intel 82810E which I think is another way of saying i810
10:29
perhaps I should specify that X server, although it is not automatically detected
10:29
<alkisg>
You could also try to boot e.g. knoppix, copy the XF86Config file and put a X_CONF directive in lts.conf, so that it uses the file that knoppix used.
10:29
<petre>
i.e., if I don't specify an X server, X won't come up
10:30
it's only got 64MB, and though I could bump that to 96MB, I still don't think it's enough for knoppix to start X
10:30
could try DSL I suppose
10:31
<alkisg>
Is there a videoram line in /tmp/XF86Config?
10:31
<Gadi>
XSERVER=i810
10:32
but, seriously, look at the xorg log file
10:32
<petre>
I don't see one, although when it's booting I see a message about '32xxx K available for video
10:32
<Gadi>
it is usually very good at telling you why it doesnt like the mode you want
10:32
look in /var/log/xorg.log
10:32
or in /tmp/var/
10:32
or some such
10:34
<petre>
hmm, /var/log/ is empty...
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10:35
<Gadi>
you have X on one screen and a shell on another?
10:35
<petre>
yes
10:35
no /tmp/var
10:35
<Gadi>
something smells fishy
10:36
<petre>
fyi, it's k12ltsp el5
10:36
I'm pretty sure there's log around somewhere but I can never remember where
10:36
it's somewhere strange
10:37
<Gadi>
is it in /root?
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<Blinny>
/var/log/X11
10:37
<petre>
nope
10:38
/var/log/ is empty
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<petre>
doing an 'ls -lR |grep xorg.log
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'
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<petre>
argh, can't search in more command
10:41
need less
10:42
grep found xorg.log, but I don't know what dir it's in
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<Blinny>
So I've got a full-stop full lock crash on 8.04 I can reproduce whenever desired. Anybody got time to help me debug?
10:44
<petre>
and there are only 27465 lines/files to look through :-(
10:46
<alkisg>
petre, find / -name ...?
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<alkisg>
or, ls -lR > /tmp/list.txt, then vi /tmp/list.txt and search
10:48
<petre>
no 'find' command
10:48
however, I did do ls -lR >file; scp file 192.168.0.254:
10:48
so I can search now...
10:50
aha! /tmp/mnt/xorg.log
10:53
ok, looking at the xorg.log file I see two things that could be a problem:
10:53
(II) VESA(0): Total Memory: 16 64KB banks (1024kB)
10:54
II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1024X768" (no mode of this name)
10:54
the first one suggests it doesn't have enough video ram, although the second suggests just a typo
10:54
<alkisg>
Yeap, videoram is not correctly detected
10:56
So you should put X_VIDEORAM=... in your lts.conf
10:58
<petre>
I tried specifying XSERVER = i810, but then X won't start, oddly
10:59
says server limited to 32608 kb
10:59
tried X_VIDEORAM = 4096 but still get 800x600
11:01
<alkisg>
...try dsl or puppy... :)
11:01
<mraudsepp>
1024x768 at 24bit already needs around 3MB, not sure 4096 is enough for other stuff
11:02
if your video cards are really only 4MB, maybe you could give 16bit a shot if it's 24 right now
11:03
<petre>
video is on-board; I don't think there's a bios setting in this case for controlling how much ram is allocated to video
11:03
but I could be wrong, have to look
11:04
alkisg, puppy needs 128MB I think ;-)
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<alkisg>
petre, there usually is a setting for on board cards (if they use shared memory). And if you only have a little ram, you should lower videoram as much as possible.
11:06
<petre>
right, but it may be set at 1MB right now, not enough for 1024x768x24
11:06
client only has 64MB
11:07
<alkisg>
if that's the case you should use 2 Mb for 1024x768x16 or 4 Mb for x24.
11:08
<petre>
what I don't understand is that when it says it's building an xorg.conf file, it says it has ~32000 kb for X
11:08
<Nuba1>
anyone know of some good gradebook/markbook software for schools?
11:08
<petre>
but xorg.log is still showing Total Memory of 1MB
11:09
Nuba1, checkout OpenAdmin
11:09
haven't used it myself, though
11:09
<Nuba1>
that's a little to American centric... I'm in a British school
11:10
I've looked at CLASS, but that's too complex for my users
11:11
All the pacakges I've seen are really big, I just need the reports part... to write end of term reports
11:11
<alkisg>
petre, ~32000 kb for X *may* mean the buffers for the windows etc, ram for internal X usage, not videoram
11:15
<petre>
Nuba1, OA is Canadian, but it is a full school admin system, may be overkill for you
11:17
<Nuba1>
yeah, the teachers need something very simple, otherwise they just wont use it and will continue writing their reports in open office
11:19
I found GNota, that might do the trick
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<Can0beans>
hello
11:23
I've got my Ubuntu LTSP up and running, but currently, I'm having an issue with WYSE S30 booting, it gets about 75% done and then hangs. Any suggestion on where to look? Google came up next to empty handed
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<Nuba1>
what is wyses?
11:29
wyse sorry
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<Can0beans>
thin client
11:30
<Nuba1>
yeah, but that specific startup sequence, what does it do... (what run level is it in)?
11:30
<Can0beans>
I see the Ubuntu splash screen
11:31
followed by the "loading bar"
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<Can0beans>
which gets 75% along and then nothing
11:32
<Nuba1>
well S30 in the run levels is where GDM starts up
11:32
Have u tried turning off APIC?
11:33
<Can0beans>
no
11:33
where would I do that?
11:33
<Nuba1>
I'd try that... in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
11:34
add the line noapic on the end
11:34
also take out quite and splash so you get a better idea on where its failing
11:34
quite=quiet
11:34
<Can0beans>
oky
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<Can0beans>
thanks
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<cyberorg>
hi japerry,
11:35
<Nuba1>
if it fails, paste the last lines of the bootup sequence here:
11:35
!pastebot
11:35
<ltspbot`>
Nuba1: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:35
<japerry>
cyberorg: gmorning
11:35
hows life in LTSP land today? or should I say good evening ;-)
11:36
<cyberorg>
it is past 10 in the evening :)
11:36
<japerry>
heh good thing you stay up late sometimes
11:37
gbolte is on his way in, he'll be here in a few minutes -- I think our OpenSUSE 11 system is ready for user testing
11:38
<Can0beans>
Nuba1, well....
11:38
now I have a blank screen
11:38
and a blinking cursor
11:38
<cyberorg>
japerry, cool :)
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<Nuba1>
alt-ctrl+f1
11:43
tell me where it stopped
11:43
should give verbose output
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<Can0beans>
werd
11:51
so I just tried pxe booting my laptop
11:51
and I got a repeatedly flashing screen
11:51
where I could see a console login prompt
11:52
but it would appear and disappear
11:52
the last message on the WYSE terminal is:
11:54
lo: Disabling Privacy Extensions
11:55
actually, I only have two lines on the screen
11:55
Net: Registered Protocol Family 10
11:55
and lo: Disabling Privacy Extensions
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<fgiraldeau>
hi there
12:35
I think I've got another bug with LDM
12:36
When LDM_SESSION is set, Xsession is bypassed
12:36
Usualy, Xsession exec x-window-manager
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<vagrantc>
well, LDM_SESSION's entire purpose was to make the Xsession file configurable
12:37
at least, that's what it started out as
12:37
<fgiraldeau>
ok, great
12:38
<vagrantc>
hmmm... i should set that as default in lts.conf so it doesn't bother to look for one...
12:39
hmmm... patch for password expiry ... http://bugs.debian.org/482553
12:39
<fgiraldeau>
but, in the interface, the user can choose from a list of window manager available
12:40
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: right... that list should still use Xsession
12:40
<fgiraldeau>
yeah
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<fgiraldeau>
The choice should be written in the home directory, and then Xsession will take tare of the rest
12:40
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: some distro's Xsession files don't support calling Xsession with an argument, unfortunately.
12:41
that could be a good way to handle it ... although again, i think it will be hard to be cross-distro with that
12:41
<fgiraldeau>
probably... I will post the problem on the mailing list
12:41
<vagrantc>
i've been meaning to get to that for ages, but keep forgetting about it.
12:41
<fgiraldeau>
hehe ;)
12:42
At this time, I set the default display manager with update-alternatives
12:42
<vagrantc>
we should probably establish an upstream place for reporting ltsp related bugs
12:42
i mostly use the debian bug tracking system as my todo list when uploading new packages
12:42
<fgiraldeau>
ok
12:42
<vagrantc>
but not everything gets reported there
12:43
<fgiraldeau>
well, launchpad can links to other bugs...
12:43
<vagrantc>
and i don't understand launchpad well enough to get a concise list of bugs for ltsp projects
12:44
<fgiraldeau>
yeah, there are bugs in the ltsp package, and ltsp project, wich is confusing
12:44
<vagrantc>
and sometimes they end up in the "ubuntu" project
12:45
or something like that
12:45
<fgiraldeau>
The easy way is to subscribe to bugs that you care about
12:46
<vagrantc>
so i usually wait till ogra or someone points me to a bug in launchpad ... and then usually forget it exists
12:46
<fgiraldeau>
Then, on your personal page, everything that matters you will show up
12:46
<vagrantc>
yeah, i should make more use of that
12:46
<fgiraldeau>
gret
12:46
great
12:46
Will you be in Portland late july?
12:46
<vagrantc>
still doesn't make it easy to poll launchpad for a list... but at least i can keep track of the ones i've heard about
12:47
fgiraldeau: i've arranged the space to meet :)
12:47
fgiraldeau: so, barring freakish circumstances, i'll be here :)
12:47
<fgiraldeau>
I guess so
12:47
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: you able to make it?
12:47
<fgiraldeau>
I'm trying to convince my boss
12:47
And find budget for it
12:48
But, probably yes
12:48
<vagrantc>
excellent!
12:48
<fgiraldeau>
That will be the first time we meet
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<fgiraldeau>
Thanks for the info, see ya
12:50
<vagrantc>
hope to see you in july, then :)
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<Blinny>
Is XRAMPERC still supported in LTSP5 ?
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<vagrantc>
X_RAMPERC
12:57
it's supported, but a lot of the time doesn't actually solve the problem... it only limits the damage
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<fgiraldeau>
here it is
13:01
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/234407
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<tarzeau>
fgiraldeau: hello
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<fgiraldeau>
<tarzeau>: hello
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<johnny>
aha.. the guy who saved my autologin :)
13:24
during gutsy
13:25
thanks fgiraldeau
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<fgiraldeau>
well, thanks to you for providing me feedback ;)
13:26
<johnny>
the pleasure is all mine :)
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<gbolte>
hello
16:34
:)
16:34
<lns>
hi gbolte
16:34
<gbolte>
hi
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<gbolte>
I am playing with trying to get italc to install on my ltsp clients
16:35
:)
16:35
that should be fun
16:35
hehe
16:35
<lns>
gbolte, italc? what is that again?
16:36
<gbolte>
http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php
16:36
basically a teachers tool to allow for remote control and a bunch of other cool things
16:36
<lns>
oh yes - sort of a successor to thin-client-manager
16:37
<gbolte>
sure
16:37
:P
16:37
you can do some really neat things
16:38
we just want to use the remote control part of it here at work
16:38
that would save us time
16:38
people can just call with their issue and we should be able to fix it with out going to their desk
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<gbolte>
though I am not sure all the features will actually work with the client app installed on the terminal
16:40
:/
16:40
<lns>
gbolte, isn't italc going to be ported/tested on ltsp ? i remember hearing about this last week i think here
16:41
<johnny>
i thought it was recommended in hardy
16:41
<alkisg>
gbolte, I use it, it usually works just fine with ltsp clients.
16:41
<gbolte>
alkisg, nice
16:41
:)
16:41
that gives me some hope
16:42
alkisg, all the features work?
16:42
<alkisg>
gbolte, yes, on normal circumstances
16:42
<gbolte>
cool
16:43
well what do you mean by normal
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:P
16:43
<alkisg>
gbolte, a script was needed to use it if you were sitting on the server, and on some setups demo mode doesn't work
16:43
<gbolte>
ah
16:43
<alkisg>
e.g. it works fine with my laptop as a server, but I couldn't get it to work at the school server (same setup)
16:44
<gbolte>
:/
16:44
weirf
16:44
er
16:44
weird
16:44
did you just install the client package into the nbd image?
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<alkisg>
but they are working on automatic discovery of clients with avahi-daemon, when 1.0.9 gets out everything should play out of the box
16:44
no, no need to install to nbd
16:45
just on the server, the clients run it after logon
16:45
<gbolte>
alkisg, that wouldnt really give you the ability to shut off the terminals though
16:45
<alkisg>
stgraber says that it'll go better if it is installed on the clients, but I haven't tried that yet. Don't know about the dependencies, it may be too much for the clients
16:46
<gbolte>
I am about to try it on 10.3 nbd image
16:46
:)
16:46
<alkisg>
gbolte, yes, and I think it'll even make autologin etc possible
16:46
10.3 what distro?
16:46
<gbolte>
opensuse
16:47
<alkisg>
Never tried that one!
16:47
<gbolte>
our image is 10.3 but the server is running 11.0
16:47
<alkisg>
Demo mode is slow though, if it is installed only on the server
16:47
<gbolte>
er 11.0 beta 3
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<alkisg>
I want to find something different just for demo mode, something with broadcasting / multicasting etc
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<gbolte>
w00t
17:15
italc and italc client install with out a fuss
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:D
17:15
that makes me happy
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<gbolte>
hi X0d_of_N0d
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