IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 November 2012   (all times are UTC)

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06:28
<elias_a>
atiti: Ok. Now I get the connection. Don't know. You will have to try.
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10:05
<Apostolis>
Αλκη καλημερα εισαι μεσα
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10:09
<alkisg>
Apostolis: γράψε: /j #ts.sch.gr
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<zamba>
does ubuntu precise include unity?
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14:12
<zamba>
eh.. meaning in ltsp
14:12
because i hate unity
14:12
so what is the way to get the "old" desktop? gnome2, basically
14:12
in ltsp?
14:13
that's why i haven't upgraded yet, because i just don't want unity
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<muppis>
I hate Untiy as well, but I like Gnome Shell. If you prefer Gnome 2 -style, then Gnone fallback could be close.
14:14
<zamba>
muppis: is this a package i just can install?
14:14
because i'm working more or less headless here
14:14
i'm running the ltsp server remotely
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<muppis>
I'll check.
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gnome-session-fallback
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<zamba>
oh, sweet
14:17
<muppis>
You may need to do some adjustment to lts.conf to get it as default.
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<zamba>
i'm just wondering if i'm going to get this thing to boot :)
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<zamba>
after upgrading.. it's running in xen
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<muppis>
It doesn't matter where it runs on. Even better if in virtual, because better change get console to see what happens.
14:39
<zamba>
yeah
14:39
but i'm not very happy with xen :)
14:39
at least not running PV :)
14:39
it complains about new kernels all the time
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15:58
<ltspuser_65>
Hello
15:59
<dead_inside>
hello
15:59
<ltspuser_65>
I just to confirm please if the HP T410 All-in-One Zero Client is compatible with LTSP (I will run Ubuntu)
16:01
<dead_inside>
wow a power over ethernet thin client. thats awesome
16:02
<ltspuser_65>
I will not run it with PoE
16:03
i can see in the HP Datasheet that it support PXE boot, so i believe it should work with LTSP on Ubuntu 12.10
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<dead_inside>
thats my guess too ltspuser_65
16:04
if it supports pxeboot it should work
16:04
but i have never herd of anyone using the zero client so i cant say for sure if it works
16:06
<ltspuser_65>
ok, thanks
16:06
what HP Thin Client do you recommend i use with LTSP on Ubuntu?
16:07
i will be installing 20x Thin Clients. What should be the configuration of the HP ProLiant x86-64 server?
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<ogra-cb>
you will need to maintain your oen kernel for the all in one
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*own
16:10
i dont think there is an arm kernel in ubuntu supporting it
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(though if you are lucky the omap3 one works, but i wouldnt count on it)
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<ltspuser_65>
Is the HP T5565 with VIA CPU OK to use?
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<ogra-cb>
if thats 686 compatible ...
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<ltspuser_65>
it runs HP Thin Pro OS
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http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13745_div/13745_div.html
16:14
<ogra-cb>
no idea what that is
16:15
if the cpu is 686 compatible it will definitely run ubuntu
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<ltspuser_65>
I can read on via.com that their processor has x86 architecture, so it shoudl work, right?
16:21
<||cw>
depends
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<ogra-cb>
x86 can also mean 486 or 586 compatible
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<||cw>
if it's a geode, it might not run the latest ubuntu, since it's 586 and not 686
16:21
<ogra-cb>
ubuntu dropped 486 and 586 support
16:21
<||cw>
10.04 will work, or you can compile your own kernel, or try some other distro
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<ltspuser_65>
ok, many thanks for your assistance
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<ltspuser_66>
Hi!
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<kev_j>
I am a bit confused about what I should be using for printing with localapps... I have found a few things talking about CUPS_SERVER, which I didn't see in the man page, LDM_PRINTER_LIST, and then again I am not sure if I should be doing either/or and just setting up cups.. I have cups setup on the main server and it has the printer setup as IPP... what exactly is the right way to boot to a network printer
17:43
?
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<||cw>
well, you have to have some sort of local-to-the-application print system, be it cups or lpd, in order for that application to print.
17:57
so if you have cups on the server with the printer setup, make it sharable and put cups in the chroot so it can discover the servers shared printers
17:57
that's the easiest way, takes more ram on the client than lpd though
17:59
<kev_j>
right right, so what config files do I need, as far as I have been able to find I need a client.conf file with the server address and thats it... is that right?
18:01
and do I need to do anything special/specific in the cupsd.conf file or would I just delete that?
18:03
<||cw>
normally don't even that, just enable the detect shared prints option
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<ltspuser_29>
Hello Guys
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I need some assistance
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I am trying to deploy LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
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I have managed to get it working
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but need somehing done
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I have commanded xfreerdp to open automatically on load
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using the Screen_07 option
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problem is when someone logs off from the RDP session i require the LTSP to also shutdown
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<wicksey>
Hi all. Anyone know how to remove the 'shutdown' command from the menu in ldm?
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(12.04 version)
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Or better... either remove it or make it 'poweroff -fp'
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<kev_j>
does the 'ltsp_handle_daemons=false' fix that or would that not fix it in rdp?
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wicksey: Try 'export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False' on the ltsp server.. I think that will keep it from restarting when a client hits reboot
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<wicksey>
Hi - thanks. That's not the problem. The clients hang on shutdown and I'm trying to find a workaround until I can fix it. I need to either remove 'shutdown' from ldm or force every shutdown on the client to actually 'poweroff -fp' (which works)
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<kev_j>
oh yea, not reading closely enough apparently
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What desktop are you using?
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<wicksey>
12.04 gnome fallback
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(at the moment, 32 machines in our lab keep being clicked to shutdown by keen pupils and they hang)
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<kev_j>
I thought that didn't have a shutdown command in the menu... I think I only had logoff
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or signoff... or whatever
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<wicksey>
from ldm, mate
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the login manager
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<kev_j>
wow, I guess I'm tired (or an idiot...), didn't make the connection
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<wicksey>
you can picture the scene... 32 pupils logout of gnome. Half of them helpfully click 'shutdown' from ldm login screen. Hang...
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<ltspuser_29>
Please can anyone assist me with the problem
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<wicksey>
I missed your problem... happy to try
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<ltspuser_29>
I have got all my thin clients automatically login to rdp
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using screen_07 option in the LTS.conf file
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so the default screen that opens up is the rdp session
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when the client clicks logoff the rdp session restarts
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<wicksey>
I don't use rdp but did you see kev_j's suggestion?
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<ltspuser_29>
I need when the client clicks logoff on the rdp session the thin client should log off the rdp session and shutdown the terminal
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yes that is for your problem
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<wicksey>
I see. In understand but sorry, I don't know how to help.
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<ltspuser_29>
It seems when I log off the xsession restarts
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<kev_j>
wicksey: have you looked into acpi=force in the pxelinux.cfg/default file?
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<wicksey>
kev_j, good find, but yes indeed. I tried that (and I understand that I copy that in each time I update the image). Doesn't work, sadly.
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<kev_j>
figured that you had, doesn't hurt to ask
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<wicksey>
indeed - appreciated
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<kev_j>
wicksey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940 post#28 (I didn't read it all, but I think that it goes over some of it)
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<wicksey>
Hmmmm.... looks like that patch went upstream in 2009
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<kev_j>
alkisg's response was 9-14-2012
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about the proposed patch not being accepted
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<wicksey>
aah!
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<kev_j>
that's post 28
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unless I am mistaken alkisg is one of the devs
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he's in here a lot of the time
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<wicksey>
indeed.... he pointed me to another bug when I reported this problem on the edubuntu mailing list. Disn't fix it.
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nbd/+bug/696454
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http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/client/share/ltsp/nbd-disconnect
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But the fix in bazaar seems included in 12.04.1
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<kev_j>
hrm, I dunno
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<wicksey>
a tricky one for sure
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<kev_j>
do you have any other DE's than gnome?
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<wicksey>
no, but I could of couse
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these are fat clients btw!
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we use thin and fat
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<kev_j>
I was thinking that you could try LXDE and see if that willl shut it down or not...
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another thing is have you seen the bios thing about it
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<wicksey>
I updated the bios today... :(
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<kev_j>
any acpi options?
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<wicksey>
Hmmm... don't think so.
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I did have a look as I caught somethng about bios options. What sort of thing?
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<kev_j>
I'm not sure now, I think I had read something earlier about it, but the one I was looking at currently was about something else
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but I would look through and maybe check for any standby/shutdown/acpi settings that could interfere
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<wicksey>
wise
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I did look but I'll have another go
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How bad is it to poweroff -fp from the desktop?
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<kev_j>
on a chroot I wouldn't think it would be bad
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<wicksey>
WIll it corrupt home dir etc if the fat client doesn't logoff properly first? poweroff -fp just immediately powers off the mcahine.... not elegant
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yeah
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I kinda agree
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<kev_j>
Well the home dir is on the server isn't it?
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<wicksey>
yup
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<kev_j>
and not in the chroot
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<wicksey>
correct
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<kev_j>
so that wouldn't affect it
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to my knowledge
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<wicksey>
Alkis mentioned nbd sessions might be left open, but they are at the moment anyway as I have to hard poweroff the machines by holding in the button!
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<kev_j>
hmm, right, but wouldn't that be session or caching info?
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<wicksey>
I'll make a desktop launcher that calls sudo poweroff -fp and add poweroff to the sudoers file
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crunch!
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<wicksey>
which brings me back to wanting to remove the shutdown menu option from ldm I hope
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do many folk use xfce under ltsp?
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<kev_j>
It could be somewhat simple, but I have tried to figure out how to move things around and customize ldm, and (to me at least) it is a pain in the ass
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<wicksey>
Yeah... I had a look through yesterday and I was left at a blank
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<kev_j>
I have tried xfce, but I haven't used it since I got lxde
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<wicksey>
is it lxde easily configurable? I'm thinking school envrionment
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<kev_j>
from what I can tell you have to get the source, find the right file, get the scripting right, and then recompile and insert it in
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<wicksey>
indeed... maybe when I've learnt a bit more about that sort of thing!!!
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<kev_j>
that was about ldm btw, not lxde
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<wicksey>
aye
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<kev_j>
as far as LXDE goes it seems to have fewer customizations than gnome, but that could easily be my inexperience with it.. but I like it so far
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<wicksey>
I'll give it a go. Using openbox on crunchbang on this home machine. Very impressed but probably not suitable for primary school maybe
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I'll give lxde a go
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We'll need a plan going forward as unity 3d is reported very slow on thin clients under 12.10
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we have 32 thin and 32 fat
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<kev_j>
then again I heard some of these guys talking about how LXDE is dropping their fallback support.. and maybe something along the lines of it not being good for school use
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<highvoltage>
you mean gnome
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<kev_j>
oh, must have misread
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I haven't been sleeping much lately
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oh, yeah, there it is
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<wicksey>
aye... it's ubuntu unity won't be an option I believe (3d on thin clients)
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<alkisg>
wicksey: http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2012-08-21 08:34
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<kev_j>
yeah, reading through it I completely misunderstood... so anywho, I like LXDE
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<alkisg>
wicksey: about DE in school environments, we've settled with gnome-fallback in 12.04 here, and we might switch to LXDE in 14.04 when gnome-fallback will no longer be around
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<wicksey>
that's where we are at (a school in Hertfordshire, UK)
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<gvy>
kev_j, might be better to have some sleep though, we're usually prone to time-consuming mistakes otherwise...
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just in case, so far kde3 was the best thin client DE here (but currently TDE seems to have enough regressions that opensuse's KDE3 fork happily lacks)
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<wicksey>
Incidentally, have you experienced the Applications menu not loading (just a grey bar)? I've written a 'fix my menu' desktop launcher that kills and starts gnome-panel, but should I file a bug? Fat clients.
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<alkisg>
wicksey: yeah unfortunately we do have that. We tell teachers to use epoptes to relaunch the panel. I think a bug was filed somewhere in launchpad, let me see if I can find it so that you can provide feedback there...
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<wicksey>
thanks
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We ubuntu 12.04 (not edubuntu). Sounds like epoptes is worth installing (I think you created it?). Is it server only, or install in clients too?
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<alkisg>
Server + chroot
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<wicksey>
makes sense
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<alkisg>
Hmm I can't find the gnome-panel bug... maybe you should file one under gnome-panel (not under ltsp)
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<wicksey>
I've not filed a bug before... I'll have a look into it. Point noted about where to file it.
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<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel
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"Report a bug" link to the right
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<wicksey>
Excellent. Kind.
21:06* alkisg wonders if it would be worth it to create an /etc/xdg/autostart item that runs 10 seconds after login and checks if the panel is running or not...
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<alkisg>
(and if not, launch it)
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<wicksey>
I wondered how to test if it was running and creating something. I didn't know where to create it, but it must be reasonably achievable.
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though the panel is running I believe. Just no menu.
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<alkisg>
Maybe test for the menu existance then, using its window name
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<wicksey>
ah
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good
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<alkisg>
First one is `if pgrep -u $USER gnome-panel...`, second one with xprop
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<wicksey>
We are using fallback. Have you made that choice because of unity 2d performance on thin clients?
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Or other reasons too?
21:10* alkisg doesn't like unity, and also unity-2d was dropped in 12.10, but unfortunately now gnome-fallback is dropped upstream too
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<alkisg>
wicksey: server CPU+NIC speed, and client CPU+NIC speed for the shutdown problem? I'm wondering if I could reproduce the problem by selecting a similar setup...
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<highvoltage>
Unity is nice in concept but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.
21:12* gvy uses wmaker and doesn't sniff
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<wicksey>
Will post up tomorrow. Not on site. The server is very fast I think, with ssd drive. It runs very quickly.
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<alkisg>
With simple dual core servers, I've never seen the problem no matter the clients... anyways, 'night all
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<wicksey>
night and thanks
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<gvy>
g'night
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<kev_j>
I don't know if I am being stupid, but I still can't seem to get cups on the client to recognize or talk to the cups server
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<wicksey>
Have you enabled sharing on the serve>
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<kev_j>
in the administration on localhost:631 right?
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<wicksey>
I've only used the ubuntu server dialogue
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though I think the old dialogue has been replaced with a useless one
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<kev_j>
pretty sure I have, it says allow all under the #allow shared printing in the cupsd.conf
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<wicksey>
On 12.04 run 'system-config-printer'
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presumably with the hash?
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<kev_j>
I'm on wheezy debian
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<wicksey>
hmm
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forgive me saying this... Does the #allow have the #? Isn't that commenting it out?
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<kev_j>
I think that is the comment, the full line is ' # Allow shared printing. . .'
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<wicksey>
sorry... good
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<kev_j>
I don't think I have seen ... on a config file
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not like that anyway
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<wicksey>
is there a line not commented out that says it's allowing it?
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<kev_j>
yeah, allow all is two lines under that
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<wicksey>
hmmm
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I don't have my cups conf here
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<kev_j>
and I installed cups in the chroot...
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The network printer is added to the cups server as IPP://, so I don't know if that makes a difference
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<wicksey>
Problem is... I've never had to look at cups file as I've used th gui and it works. I can email you my cups file tomorrow?
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<kev_j>
sure, dunno if it will help, but it couldn't hurt
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<wicksey>
goodnight all
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thanks for the help
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<dead_inside>
this is not LTSP related but I can not stop laughing and figure others around here might like https://www.facebook.com/Shitmybotsays
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<||cw>
meh. these are better http://www.damitclan.com/yabb/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1344;start=120#23178
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I still have that bot somewhere. making it talk to an instance of itself pretty much always results in it repeatedly quoting Reagan. not sure what that means really...
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