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Channel log from 15 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:47
<roasted>
hey fellas!
00:47
To change LDM_SESSION to XFCE on Ubuntu, is it not LDM_SESSION=xubuntu-desktop?
00:53
!xfce
00:53
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'xfce', but I do know about these similar topics: 'x2go'
00:53
<roasted>
hm
00:53
!xfce4
00:53
<ltsp>
Error: "xfce4" is not a valid command.
00:53
<roasted>
eh, I tried
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02:26
<roasted>
:(
02:50
no matter what I find I'm having a hard time locating the exact command
02:50
LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/xfce4-session, LDM_SESSION=xubuntu-desktop, LDM_SESSION=xfce4-desktop
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02:56
<roasted>
hi Faithful
02:57
<Faithful>
Hi roasted
02:57
no Jim anymore?
03:00
<roasted>
jim?
03:00
I'm not sure I know anybody's first name in here, so that draws a blank with me
03:01
<Faithful>
jamcq
03:02
<roasted>
hm that doesn't ring a bell
03:02
by chance do you know how to change the LDM_SESSION to something else?
03:03
I'm having a terrible time getting xfce to work as my default session
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04:30
<Lns>
roasted, have you tried LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/startxfce4
04:30
that's what it is for debian
04:33
<roasted>
Lns, yeah I tried that :(
04:33
and unfortunately my buddy took the test box home a matter of 5 minutes ago to do more work on it
04:33
I'm going to set up another test box here in a minute though
04:33
I want to keep working at it too
04:33
What burns me up is the fact that a debian LTSP article said that your suggestion works for ubuntu 12.04 too
04:34
I'm using 12.04. no dice.
04:34
in fact, unity doesn't even work... maybe that's a sign of another problem?
04:34
<Lns>
afaik unity doesn't work very well with ltsp, though maybe something's changed.. I don't use ubuntu personally
04:35
you've double-checked your config file, permissions, etc?
04:35
<roasted>
what config file, lts.conf?
04:35
it's a brand new box we set up. we literally installed 12.04, updated it, rebooted, installed ltsp, changed network configs, added lts.conf and added like 4 parameters and booted my laptop as a test.
04:36
each time it'll log in as if it's working, but then I just continue to stare at a blank destop
04:36
ultimately I get a "Crash report error" in the upper right
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04:36
<roasted>
04:36
no dice there either
04:36
<Lns>
you actually installed xfce along the way, right? ;)
04:37
<roasted>
well
04:37
now that you mention it
04:37
I installed xubuntu-desktop
04:37
maybe that's why?
04:37
<Lns>
possibly
04:37
<roasted>
is it possible to even install "xfce4" in ubuntu?
04:37* Lns shrugs
04:37
<roasted>
actually
04:37
now that I think about it
04:38
<Lns>
debian doesn't have *-desktop, just the raw packages
04:38
<roasted>
on the server I saw XFCE + Xubuntu in the drop down session list
04:38
so I would think both are available
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08:05
<alkisg>
Hey, Ubuntu no longer needs the evolution-data-server process that was always left over from thin client sessions... at last a good diversion from gnome :D
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08:31
<ogra_>
alkisg, yeah, TB had massive probs with it and i think half of its deps arent maintained anymore
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08:43
<alkisg>
ogra_: why is it still in main and preinstalled?
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08:47
<ogra_>
alkisg, i think they are just sorting it in quantal
08:48* alkisg removed it in precise without anything obvious breaking...
08:48
<alkisg>
But I couldn't find any related blueprints
08:48
<ogra_>
well, you dont use ldap addessbooks or any we calendars then
08:48
*web
08:49
e-d-s is only for coordinating such data ...
08:49
<alkisg>
I used them with evolution, but I don't see any calendars or other options now in 12.04...
08:49
So I'm using calendar.google.com + my android phone to manage those :P
08:50
<ogra_>
same here ... but i use e-d-s for desktop notifications for calendar events
08:50
<alkisg>
Also switched to gcontactssync TB addon instead of evolution
08:50
ogra_: ah, nice, which component does the notifications?
08:50
<ogra_>
and its very convenient clicking on the clock applet and seeing all your appointments uin one view
08:50
<alkisg>
Yeah I really liked that in 10.04
08:50
<ogra_>
evolutio-alarm-notify i think
08:50
but that depends on e-d-s
08:51* alkisg hopes the ubuntu folks migrate that to some non e-d-s dependend mechanism soon...
08:51
<ogra_>
e-d-s is really tiny in itself
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09:54
<JR_Ewing>
Hello people,
09:54
May I ask for a problem I have with LTSP?
09:55
<ogra_>
beware, if you ask for a problem we might give you one !
09:55
:)
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09:57
<JR_Ewing>
Hehe, :-) for ask for help with problem I ment. I have server installed at Kubuntu 12.04 and have separate DHCP server running dnsmasq. Client boot with tftp correctly, but nbd not working, still dropping me to busybox. With default nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 I can´t even see any network traffic (except tftp) from the client.
09:58
I have tried nbdhost/nbdport or nbdroot=<ip>:<port>, I saw sam tcp packets, but client still dropping to busybox
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10:11
<alkisg>
JR_Ewing: is that a new chroot, or an old e.g. 10.04 one?
10:14
<JR_Ewing>
no, just clean install
10:15
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
10:15
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
10:15
<alkisg>
(ignore that for a bit)
10:15
!forget quiet-splash
10:15
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
10:15
<JR_Ewing>
I have left ltsp year ago (because of huge bandwith comsumption) and tried few other terminal solutions.. but Iam now trying it back (but still not working) :-)
10:16
hehe, I think I can have the same result by typing "dmesq" in busybox
10:16
<alkisg>
!learn quiet-splash as to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
10:16
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
10:16
<alkisg>
Yup OK ignore that
10:16
So, on the busybox shell:
10:17
nbd-client server-ip -N ltsp_i386
10:17
And on the server:
10:17
sudo netstat -nap | grep 10809
10:17
<JR_Ewing>
block nbd0: attempted send on closed socket
10:17
end_request: I/O error, fev nbd0, sector 2
10:18
etc..
10:18
<alkisg>
Also, on the client: ipconfig -n eth0
10:18
Check if the ROOTSERVER there is your ltsp server
10:18
It should *not* be the dnsmasq server
10:19
<JR_Ewing>
I can now see in export that the ROOTSERVER is dhcp server.. .so.. I´ll go trying to resolv it
10:19
<alkisg>
Sorry I forgot the device path in the command: nbd-client server-ip -N ltsp_i386 /dev/nbd0
10:19
OK
11:19
<cyberorg>
alkisg, OT, added ubuntu live iso support https://github.com/cyberorg/live-fat-stick
11:23
<ogra_>
cyberorg, whats that for ? you can just dd the iso to a stick nowadays
11:23
<cyberorg>
ogra_, yes, but then you don't get iso image on the stick
11:24
or multiboot or access from windows etc
11:24
<ogra_>
rightm what problem does it solve to have the iso on the stick ... thats whjat i mean
11:24
<cyberorg>
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2012/09/13/live-fat-stick/
11:25
you can carry bootable stick with multiple iso images, openSUSE Edu Li-f-e for ltsp and ubuntu live on one stick, get nice boot menu to choose booting from
11:25
<ogra_>
a
11:25
<cyberorg>
you can plug the stick in windows PC to copy iso or burn
11:25
<ogra_>
h
11:26
<cyberorg>
or access hte stick while booted in live iso to store files that are accessible by other distros booting off the same stick or of course from windows
11:26
<ogra_>
right
11:27
<cyberorg>
i wonder why no one thought of it till now :)
11:27
<ogra_>
because its a corner case ?
11:27
but yeah, i see why you are doing it
11:27
*doing
11:27
<cyberorg>
not if you carry around multiple distros to demonstrate
11:28
<ogra_>
right, which probably 1% of the linux users does
11:28
<cyberorg>
openSUSE itself has thousands of variants
11:28
not just demo, helps to install from as well
11:29
<ogra_>
sure, but thats does a normal iso or usb key too
11:30
<cyberorg>
everyone who came to my office for Li-f-e needed a bootable usb stick and iso as well, now they get both in 1
11:30
<ogra_>
you only really need such a system if you have to/want to handle multiple distros
11:31
which QA people do ...
11:33
for them i guess its an awesome system :)
11:34
<cyberorg>
it was awesome for me as well :)
11:36
added ubuntu after one user came asking how to add suse to stick with grub2, he already had ubuntu working, adapting menu entry didn't take much work
11:36
<ogra_>
yeah
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11:43
<alkisg>
"unetbootin no longer works with openSUSE live isos" ?
11:44
cyberorg: afaik grub2 can load the kernel and initrd from within .iso files, is that what the script does? creates grub entries?
11:44
<cyberorg>
alkisg, nopes, suse's initrd looks for mbrid as our images are hybrid, expects isos to be dd'd
11:45
alkisg, yes grub2 can load kernel and initrd from the iso but not syslinux
11:45
<alkisg>
The script uses syslinux?
11:45
<cyberorg>
yes
11:45
<alkisg>
So what does it put in the stick root except for the .isos?
11:45
The syslinux dir, ok, but also kernel/initrd's?
11:45
<cyberorg>
yes
11:46
<alkisg>
Why not use grub2 then? Any downsides?
11:46
<cyberorg>
sure, send patch :)
11:46
<ogra_>
probably clashing of the different versions ?
11:46
(ubuntu uses grub2 too now)
11:46
<alkisg>
ogra_: it would be on the stick
11:47
E.g. windows on HD, grub+ a bunch of .iso's on the stick
11:47
<ogra_>
well, you chainload one grub from the other
11:47
<cyberorg>
ogra_, opensuse does too, but for stick i started off with syslinux
11:47
<alkisg>
Sure but we don't need to, the stick is supposed to be bootable
11:47
<ogra_>
at least if you do it cleanly and want that the distro features of the respective grub are available
11:47
<alkisg>
But why? The stick has its own MBR
11:48
What's the point in chainloading those 2 grubs?
11:48
<cyberorg>
also the grub2 theme etc will be needed, syslinux can do with stuff already in the live iso
11:48
<ogra_>
that the suse grub might be compiled with different options than the ubuntu grub
11:48
and that either system might make use of such features
11:48
<alkisg>
And how would chainloading help there? /me doesn't get it...
11:49
<ogra_>
so if your mbr contains the ubuntu grub, booting suse might have issues .... and the other way round
11:49
<alkisg>
First of all, the user probably won't have linux installed on the system where he's using the stick
11:49
He'll just select "boot from stick" on BIOS
11:49
<ogra_>
why would that matter ?
11:49
<alkisg>
So, we only have 1 grub instance, on the stick... what's to chainload there?
11:50
<ogra_>
you have one suse or one ubuntu grub on the stick
11:50
<alkisg>
Inside the .iso's?
11:50
Those wouldn't ever load
11:50
<ogra_>
if suse doesnt boot with the ubuntu grub or the other way round you need to chainload
11:50
<alkisg>
The stick would only have 1 grub for all .iso's
11:50
<ogra_>
like kexec but on a lower (bootloader) level
11:50
<cyberorg>
alkisg, grub2 can load kernel and initrd from iso, so load those and boot up the respective iso, can be done
11:51
<ogra_>
right
11:51
<alkisg>
cyberorg: right, and just a small script to generate the grub configuration
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11:51
<alkisg>
And install grub in the mbr
11:51
<cyberorg>
second grub does not come into play, ubuntu/suse either grub2 on the stick will do the job
11:51
<alkisg>
(whatever grub is available in the disto where the script runs)
11:52
<cyberorg>
alkisg, yes so just a script to install grub stuff and create menu entry for iso
11:52
<alkisg>
Also, reading the syslinux theme items wouldn't help much, since they'd be of different distros
11:52
So, theme == the grub installer script theme
11:53
No need to chainload to syslinux or anything...
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11:54
<cyberorg>
yeah no chainloading, this is what the user who i got idea about adding ubuntu support had in his grub menu for http://wklej.org/id/829240/
11:54
suse entry is wrong
11:54
<alkisg>
Right, that would be the best
11:55
And it could probably be written as a special grub module, if someone really really has the mood for it, so that one can drop .isos and do *nothing* else
11:55
(all iso's autodetected, the ones supported at least... casper etc)
11:55
grub has the code to read inside .iso's anyway, so it wouldn't be very hard
11:56
<cyberorg>
:)
11:56
<alkisg>
cyberorg: thanks for reminding me that one, I wanted to do it since I read about iso support in grub, but have forgotten about it
11:57
(manually, I mean, not develop a script...)
11:57
<cyberorg>
may be you can do a nice GUI :)
11:58
<alkisg>
Nah if I ever want to invest time on that, I'd do it as a grub module, so that all iso's are autodetected, no external scripts that rely on iso reading libraries, OSes installed etc
11:59
cyberorg: do you have the grub entry for opensuse handy?
11:59
(from .iso)
12:00
Hmm I also wonder what state in is grub/pxe now... would this be doable from the ltsp server as well?
12:00
Dump the .iso's in tftp, export with nfs, and have a script create the entries without the need to extract the kernels/initrds?
12:02
Heh, btw, grub can also read from squashfs, so if that's doable, it could do it for ltsp clients too
12:02
Directly export nbd without update-kernels :D
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12:06
<cyberorg>
alkisg, it will look something like this http://paste.opensuse.org/33056214 suse's initrd is strict about which iso it boots
12:30
<alkisg>
Thank you cyberorg :)
12:31
<cyberorg>
alkisg, know if ubuntu work 2nd method here? http://debaira.blogspot.in/2009/03/boot-iso-image-from-hard-disk.html
12:31
says there it does
12:33
<alkisg>
cyberorg: I think I've done that once, with the limitation that I wasn't able to repartition the target drive
12:33
<cyberorg>
i can then use fromhd=/dev/by-uuid/.... fromiso=/ubuntu.iso for both debian and ubuntu, can't see why repartition of target drive comes into picture if it is from usb stick
12:34
<alkisg>
The second method there says to put the .iso in the HD
12:34
Sure, if it's from a stick, it wouldn't matter
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13:53
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
13:53
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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<roasted>
alkisg, hey there bro. I've been trying to find the LTS parameter for xfce/xubuntu-desktop as the default session. I've tried many, and nothing worked. That said, Ubuntu and Ubuntu-2d didn't work either. A sign of a different problem, perhaps?
14:26
<alkisg>
!gnome-session
14:26
<ltsp>
Error: "gnome-session" is not a valid command.
14:26
<alkisg>
!gnome-classic
14:26
<ltsp>
gnome-classic: To select gnome-classic as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-classic"
14:26
<alkisg>
ls -l /usr/share/xsessions
14:27
^ those should help
14:29
<ogra_>
you could also just set the default alternative for x-session-manager to xubuntu
14:29
(thats how we handled it before there were .desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions)
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14:48
<roasted>
alkisg, that works for XFCE??
14:48
I figured gnome-classic was... gnome-classic
14:48
<alkisg>
roasted: that was an example
14:48
You were supposed to run the ls command below
14:48
And then cat the xfce session file to see its own command
14:48
And put that in lts.conf
14:49
<roasted>
ah, gotcha.
14:52
alkisg, how's life been lately?
14:52* ogra_ wodners if thats an appropriate question to ask to a greek :)
14:53
<roasted>
lol
14:53
Just trying to be personable. :P
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15:29
<alkisg>
Hehe
15:30
We've learned to live without money, and we're about to learn to live without food as well... as long as we have internet connections :P
15:31
<ogra_>
dont forget about health care
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15:40
<roasted>
who needs health care. pfft :P
15:40
The only surgery I ever had was self diagnosed by myself via Google before I ever went to see a doctor to confirm the same thing I already knew.
15:40
<ogra_>
what ?!?
15:40
<roasted>
I know, right?
15:40
I was in 9th grade in high school too.
15:40
<ogra_>
you didnt look for a howto in google to do self surgery ?
15:41
<roasted>
Which would have put me around... 14?
15:41* ogra_ shakes head
15:41
<roasted>
At the time I was recovering from a nasty cut I did on my finger with a steak knife.
15:41
<ogra_>
googling symptoms but not having the balls to do the fix yourself ... tsk
15:41
<roasted>
Self surgery didn't seem to be a logical option. :P
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<iqbal>
th
17:19
anks
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17:22
<DavidDimbleby>
Just a quick question with ltsp-build-clients --apt-keys anyone know what argument --apt-keys tries to get?
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<ogra_>
ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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8if that wasnt removed since i saw the code last)
17:25
<DavidDimbleby>
--extra-help not very illuminating I just pasted /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
17:25
think it might be working :)
17:25
bodge and botch as always
17:25
<ogra_>
heh
17:25
good luck then :)
17:25
<DavidDimbleby>
thanks :)
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