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Channel log from 21 October 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
02:37
<alkisg>
Good morning
02:38
<elias_a>
alkisg: καλημέρα
02:39
<alkisg>
Hyvää huomenta :)
02:40
<elias_a>
alkisg: We are getting used to this, aren't we? :)
02:40
<alkisg>
I almost knew how to spell it in Finnish :D
02:41
<elias_a>
I still have to spy on the Greek alphabet as I do not use it in writing usually...
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<asmok>
I have this testing environment: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster_NAT
02:58
i try pmatulis remote-app.sh script
03:00
problem seems to be that root-server and application-server are not the same? i got this:
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<asmok>
ltsp000@ltsp-appserv01:~$ remote-app.sh remote-app.sh: komentoa ei löydy (sorry for finnish - not finding)
03:07
but it is in chroot:
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<asmok>
root@ltsp201:~# remote-app.sh cp: Puuttuva kohdetiedosto-operandi ”/root/tmp” jälkeen basename: operandi puuttuu xprop: unable to open display ''
03:08
so i think without ltsp-cluster setup it should work?
03:10
<elias_a>
asmok: Hi!
03:10
<asmok>
hi
03:11
i know everyone sleeping, i think i come back later at night
03:11
<elias_a>
asmok: Is the command also in path?
03:11
asmok: alkisg and other people of the old continent are awake :)
03:12
<asmok>
firefox? i does not matter because application server is very different than ltsp server/chroot server server?
03:12
and then i got this NAT also ;-)
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<asmok>
i do not have very simple ltsp server in hands right now - one server with everything
03:13
<elias_a>
asmok: remote-app.sh remote-app.sh: komentoa ei löydy
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<elias_a>
This hints that the command really is not in the path.
03:14
<asmok>
yes - ltsp000 user is in application server, not in chroot server?
03:14
this ltsp-cluster, not ordinary ltsp server?
03:16
i can run firefox as a ltsp-localapps with no problem in this ltsp-cluster NAT setup - it of course not find evince because i have not installed evince in chroot, just firefox
03:17
<alkisg>
!localxterm
03:17
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
03:17
<alkisg>
asmok: on a localxterm, try manually invoking ltsp-remoteapps
03:17
If that doesn't work, don't bother with adding new scripts...
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<asmok>
xterm - ltsp000@ltsp201: remote-app.sh firefox > cp: cannot sts 'firefox': no such file or directory
03:20
<alkisg>
No, not remote-app.sh. Forget about that
03:20
<asmok>
remote-app.sh is inside xterm
03:20
<alkisg>
Try plain ltsp-remoteapps
03:21
ltsp-remoteapps evince
03:21
Does that open evince?
03:21
<asmok>
yes, that works
03:21
<alkisg>
OK, next step: ltsp-remoteapps evince file.pdf
03:22
Does that open the document?
03:23
<asmok>
i have not downloaded anything - so there is correct error message
03:23
<alkisg>
ltsp-remoteapps gedit /etc/resolv.conf
03:23
Does that open resolv.conf on the server?
03:24
(...while still inside the thin client session, of course)
03:24
<asmok>
xterm: yes, that works, too
03:25
<alkisg>
OK, then everything in your setup is OK and everything else is a problem with pmatulis's script and maybe of the file location too
03:25
I'd work on telling localapps firefox to use a tmp directory inside the /home/username instead of /tmp
03:26
<asmok>
my testing setup is very difficult one i think: ltsp-cluster + NAT?
03:26
<alkisg>
Well, it works though :)
03:26
So you don't need to worry about your setup if remoteapps work
03:26
<asmok>
yes, i use it right now ;-)
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<asmok>
but i really do not know how to debug - is there any log files or something for pmatulis script - it is that script only?
03:29
<alkisg>
I think for troubleshooting pmatulis script, you'd need to wait for him or mail the mailing list... I wouldn't follow his approach of copying files though.
03:29
There's no point in localapps writing to /tmp/ and moving things around, they'll just exhaust the available RAM.
03:30
<asmok>
i come back later and also put message in mailing list, thanks alkis
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<Hyperbyte>
When running LTSP on a dual-screen thin client, the login prompt get placed in the middle, so it spawns over two screens
04:02
Is there anyway to change this?
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
07:46
<pmatulis>
mgariepy: morning
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<Appiah>
Hyperbyte: change the config
07:49
or do you still want windows to be able to span across both screens?
07:58
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm, not necessarily. We use both screens, but we don't need windows to span across them.
08:00
What should I change in the config? :)
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<Appiah>
turn off the feature of spanning :)
08:17
dont remeber what it's called when you have spanning screens and seperate screens
08:18
nvidia settings has "Twinview" "<something>" but im sure there is a more general aproach
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08:18
<Hyperbyte>
Have to do this in the Xorg conf?
08:19
<Appiah>
well you can put it in the lts.conf for the specific client(s) who got dual screen
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<Appiah>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
08:20
<robehend1>
Hey all. I'm getting some oddly slow logins with my LTSP box. Sometimes takes up to 30 seconds for gnome to fully initialize. Any ideas where I could look to see whats goin on?
08:20
<Appiah>
check the logs
08:21
<robehend1>
Will do. On that matter, is gnome still a good choice for a Ubuntu LTSP setup, or is something like LXDE a better fit
08:24
<Appiah>
Seen it been discussed before but I have yet to find some real answers there
08:24
<ltsplogbot>
I don't know who it is.
08:24
<Appiah>
ltsplogbot: haha
08:24
<robehend1>
Same. I'd jump for LXDE, just for the quickness of it, if it had some kind of Gconf like lockdown system
08:25
Else I get students, who may not have Sudo privledges, but can still delete their panels and such..oh gosh, the "where'd my internets button go" requests..
08:30
Appiah: Say, what log should I be digging into for login issues like that?
08:30
<Appiah>
/var/log/messages and /var/log/auth
08:30
thats where i'd start
08:30
is it local or ldap?
08:30
<robehend1>
Appiah: Likewise-open
08:31
<Appiah>
oh :D
08:31
have fun debugging!
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<Ghidorah>
Good morning everyone.
08:31
<robehend1>
Appiah: Ha, I figured that'd be the answer, since their newest version. Whatever possesed them to create a registry..
08:31
<Appiah>
dunno what likewise uses to log
08:31
but messages catches most
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<Ghidorah>
Appiah; Are you attempting to use Likewise-Open6?
08:32
<Appiah>
me? no
08:32
robehend1 is using likewise
08:32
<Ghidorah>
Oh, sorry.
08:32
<robehend1>
Ghidorah: Their up to 6 now?
08:32
<Ghidorah>
Yeah
08:33
It is included in Ubuntu 10.10 althought the pacakge in the repos seems to be buggy.
08:33
I had to get the debs direct from their website.
08:33
<robehend1>
Ghidorah: Ah, that explains it. I'm still on 10.04, as I stick with LTS distros on my student boxes
08:34
Ghidorah: You wouldn't happen to have any ideas what could be causing a long login delay with likewise, would you? LDM comes up fine, it takes user/pass fine, but when loading gnome, can take forever.
08:35
<Ghidorah>
Are you mounting anything?
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<Ghidorah>
Do any accounts login quickly?
08:35
<robehend1>
Ghidorah: Trying to use pam_mount to grab a windows share, but it seems extremely hit or miss
08:35
Ghidorah: Local accounts seem snappy
08:35
<Ghidorah>
but all domain accounts are slow?
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<robehend1>
Ghidorah: Not always, which is the weird part. Sometimes, they come in quick, other times, horribly slow. doesnt seem to matter what LAN segment or anything either.
08:37
<Ghidorah>
ah
08:37
how many DC's do you have?
08:37
<robehend1>
3
08:37
<Ghidorah>
2k, 2k3, 2k8?
08:37
<robehend1>
2k3
08:38
The windows machines that are using the same DC's go in fine
08:38
<Ghidorah>
Well here is my thinking
08:38
<Appiah>
I think I heard of this problem but that it can occur with ldap too
08:38
<Ghidorah>
It does a round robin on the DCs
08:38
<robehend1>
wouldn't it hop to the global catalog one first?
08:39
<Ghidorah>
Do you only have 1 GC?
08:39
<robehend1>
yep
08:40
<Ghidorah>
Perhaps check the eventlogs on the DCs
08:40
<robehend1>
I've pulled those up, seems normal there. No auth errors or anything
08:41
I did just pull up the /var/log/auth, and saw some pam_mount issues, so I'm seeing if i can rejigger that abit
08:41
<Ghidorah>
What issues are you having with PAM_Mount?
08:42
I dumped likewise in 10.04 because I couldn't get pam_mount to work correctly
08:42
<robehend1>
said there was a formatting issue with pam_mount.conf.xml, so I'm thinking a volume defination isnt working right
08:42
Well, I need to keep likewise for the AD auth. I've had horrible luck with Samba/Winbind
08:42
<Ghidorah>
yeah winbind took awhile to get working nicely on 10.04 for me
08:43
but now it is working nicely on 3x LTSP servers
08:43
<robehend1>
Does it seem more reliable than Likewise? I'm not tied to likewise by any means, if Winbind can replace it for me
08:44
I just want, at the end of the day, for my users to login with their AD credentials, and have a folder automount for them based on their login name
08:45
<Ghidorah>
I haven't had a single authentication issue with winbind
08:45
<robehend1>
Hmm
08:45
<Ghidorah>
I have users getting 2/3 shares mounted
08:45
<robehend1>
using pam_mount?
08:45
<Ghidorah>
yep
08:45
using ad group membership
08:45
and their username
08:45
<robehend1>
Hmm. Any links to some documentation for the windbind implentation?
08:45
I think it's worth setting up on my test unit to see if I can get it goin.
08:46
I've got 4 days until my students get back, so plenty of time to give it a shot
08:46
<Ghidorah>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto
08:46
also
08:46
you can try the new likewise
08:46
<robehend1>
any glaring inconsistancies with the documentation and the real world implentation?
08:46
did they add features, or just tweak their registry so I have to relearn it all again
08:47
<Ghidorah>
It is the same registry shift
08:47
they added more features that you can modify
08:47
it is pretty easy and their documentation is nice
08:47
<robehend1>
Hmm. I may have to take a look at it
08:47
<Ghidorah>
Do you use sabayon?
08:47
<robehend1>
yes
08:47
It's the only reason I havent jumped from Gnome to LXDE, in fact
08:47
<Ghidorah>
nm on likewise-open6 then if you use ad group membership
08:48
LXDE?
08:48
<robehend1>
Really lightweight window manager
08:48
<Ghidorah>
likewise-open6 has a bug that they're working on right now that impacts sabayon
08:48
<robehend1>
ah, not applying to all users, I assume?
08:48
<Ghidorah>
I was told by likewise support peeps that it would be fixed soon.
08:48
nah, it doesn't see the ad groups
08:49
for some reason likewise doesn't hand off the ad groups to other programs
08:49
<robehend1>
well, I'll keep an eye on it then, and try it when it's resolved. that'd be a deal breaker, sadly
08:49
<Ghidorah>
yeah it is for me too right now
08:49
but I was told they expect a fix soon.
08:49
<robehend1>
I've had good luck with likewise, so far.
08:49
<Ghidorah>
yeah it is pretty nice
08:50
did you get the assume-default-domain to work in the 10.04 depo?
08:50
<robehend1>
yes
08:50
<Ghidorah>
which version are you using?
08:50
<robehend1>
had to change the reg key to 000000001 i think, and then re-import into lsass.reg or something like that
08:50
5.4, I believe.
08:51
<Ghidorah>
when I was first trying out 5.4 they had the default-domain thing all jacked up
08:51
changing the reg had no effect for me
08:51
<robehend1>
I had that issue at first, as well. I had to import it into the registry, and then reboot before trying any other actions
08:51
but they put out an update that fix'd it, if I'm not mistaken. has worked fine since
08:56
Ghidorah: Mind looking at a Pam_mount volume defination, see if I screwed it up again?
08:56
<Ghidorah>
Sure
08:56
<robehend1>
<volume sgrp="RAGNAROK\Students" options="username=%(USER),user=*,domain=RAGNAROK" fstype="cifs" server="192.168.1.249" path="Students/%(DOMAIN_USER)" moun$
08:56
ack, didnt copy the whole thing
08:57
it ends mountpoint="/home/user/likewise-open/RAGNAROK/%(DOMAIN_USER)/Documents" />
08:58
<Ghidorah>
Well I would suggest using ~ instead of the absolute home path
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<Ghidorah>
I'll pastebin a copy of owhat I use
08:59
<robehend1>
Ah, thanks.
08:59
<Ghidorah>
there is a paste bin in this room right?
08:59
<robehend1>
no clue
09:00
drop it in a pm to me?
09:02
<Ghidorah>
k
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<muppis>
Funny.. I was upgrading Karmic to Lucid. Normally in Karmic's /etc/update-manager/release-upgrade -file is Prompt=normal. I though that would cause upgrading to Maverick, so I changed to lts. But do-release-upgrade reported no upgrades available. Switched back to normal and then founded Lucid.
09:44
<robehend1>
weird.
09:44
Mine's been yelling at me about Maverick for days now.
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<muppis>
Mine's not. Upgraded 6 days before release. Only upgraded server is my home one due bugfixes in dvb -modules.
09:47
<robehend1>
I've got 10.10 on my laptop, but I'm not ready to drop it on servers yet
09:48
<muppis>
Almost my homies are all in 10.10 now, only ltsp-client is still 10.04
09:49
<robehend1>
I usually give releases a month to catch up
09:50
<muppis>
Wise, gives time to settle down.
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<robehend1>
At least it's not like Windows. I give service packs 3 months
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<muppis>
I just don't understand. Upgraded kvm -host and now I can't get tcp connection to libvirtd and some virtuals doesn't start.
11:34
<robehend1>
so, does anyone use a different window manager than Gnome? If so, which ones?
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<mgariepy>
wow after almost 10 years, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83305
12:58
<alkisg>
mgariepy: but you can still patch ltsp-remoteapps so that if it receives a file parameter, instead of a program, it then invokes the appropriate program...
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<alkisg>
This way firefox would work properly with all respective mimecap entries set to "ltsp-remoteapps"
12:58
<mgariepy>
alkisg, ltsp-remoteapps xdg-open $file
12:59
<alkisg>
That won't work as the bug says...
12:59
but ltsp-remoteapps $file will
12:59
<mgariepy>
yeah it's just kinda frustrating :)
12:59
<alkisg>
Sure :)
13:01
10 years... chrome fixed it in the first year :)
13:01
<mgariepy>
lol yeah
13:01
chrome juste code it right the first time i guess
13:02
alkisg, what do you think about : LTSP_REMOTEAPPS_LIST='openoffice.org-calc,someotherapps'
13:02
then i parse those desktop file
13:03
get supported mimetype,
13:03
get the mailcap entry
13:03
and update it in the thin client
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<alkisg>
Something like that, sure, but I wonder if the parameter list is best described with desktop file names...
13:05
<mgariepy>
that's the same as localapps to get the desktop files
13:05
<alkisg>
E.g. the user won't have evince on the chroot if he wants to open pdf files on the server
13:05
So you can't parse its desktop file locally
13:05
(from an initscript that modifies /etc/mailcap)
13:05
<mgariepy>
yeah but i will parse the server one :)
13:06
<alkisg>
You don't need to. xdg-open is enough
13:06
The only benefit from parsing desktop files on the server would be to provide nice descriptions on the "open with" firefox dialog
13:07
Otherwise no communication with the server is needed
13:07
<mgariepy>
yeah but if the filetype isn't supported by the server, xdg-open will fail silently
13:08
<alkisg>
Maybe you can wrap that with a || zenity --error dialog
13:08
<mgariepy>
and having list of apps that i want to use remotely, this way the same code can be used for fat client
13:09
eg: i want to run openoffice on the server instead of the client.
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<alkisg>
Another example: the client boots, /etc/mailcap is written, and THEN the admin installs an app. "Blind" xdg-open will succeed, /etc/mailcap will fail.
13:10
xdg-open can also be used for fat clients, no difference there..
13:10
<mgariepy>
on fat client you will want some files to be open remotly,
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<alkisg>
Right, so e.g. LTSP_REMOTEAPPS_MIMETYPES="xxxx" can set the appropriate entries in /etc/mailcap, and then ltsp-remoteapps can blindly call xdg-open...
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<Ghidorah>
Hello everyone, Does anyone know how to get the LTSP clients to secure DNS updates with a MS DNS server?
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<alkisg>
mgariepy: On the other hand, specifying all the mimetypes that swriter can handle can be a big pain :D
13:14
<mgariepy>
yeah
13:14
that what i was about to say
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<alkisg>
That's why I was wondering, if there's a client-side way that doesn't involve specifying all the mimetypes...
13:15
How are you planning to get the desktop list from the server? With the ssh channel?
13:16
<mgariepy>
specefying desktop files the i grep MimeType from them
13:16
yeah with the ssh connexion
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: btw, that's another reason why I think handling lts.conf on the server is better ^^^ With wget, we could just run a script that collects the .desktop files and returns the output to the client as part of lts.conf...
13:17
<mgariepy>
or would be nice to have like "server attributes"
13:18
and cache some stuff directly, then do a scp for a small file
13:19
ok i guess i'll code an alpha version of this, and see how it goes.
13:20
<alkisg>
Right. All this would be much simpler if getltscfg was replaced with a wget from a python SimpleHttpServer, and maybe even ltsp-cluster could use that then so that there's no code duplication...
13:20
<mgariepy>
we use a wget with ltsp-cluster ;)
13:20
<alkisg>
OK ok I already said I'll try that in 2 years :)
13:20
Yes, but you also have an apache running, right?
13:21
That's too heavy for a simple ltsp setup, so a python server would be simpler afaik
13:21
<mgariepy>
yeah anyway, i have more then 10 year to solve this feature request
13:21
<alkisg>
:D
13:21
<mgariepy>
lighthttpd if you want :P
13:21
<alkisg>
And php etc, too heavy...
13:22
<mgariepy>
are you running on a i386 ?
13:22
can't you spare like 50M of ram and some cputime ?
13:22
haha
13:23
<alkisg>
OK sure, but would the other people accept having ltsp depend on apache, php etc?
13:23* alkisg doesn't have a problem with that...
13:25
<mgariepy>
alkisg, would be nice to see you at BTS
13:25
<alkisg>
:( :( :( :(
13:25
<mgariepy>
perhaps 2011
13:25
<alkisg>
I hope so
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13:41
<mgariepy>
alkisg, yeah got an answer from Boris on mozilla bug tracker hehe :)
13:43
<alkisg>
Remind him about comment #4: "Since it seems I'm the only one who's interested in actually working on it rather than whining about it, it won't happen till I have time, which will not happen till I finish my thesis and graduate. " :)
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<alkisg>
....unless he didn't finish them yet, 8 years later :D
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<mgariepy>
haha no i think i'll stop there before we hate each other too much :)
13:44
i might want to post : fixed in chrome tho.
13:44
<alkisg>
That's why companies are valuable for FLOSS... they get the "dirty" work done that no developer wants to do
13:45
<Kyle__>
Everyone wants to do the cool parts, no one wants to do the booring work, like fiddliy optimizations or debugging edge cases, or *gasp* documentation.
13:45
<mgariepy>
does epiphany have the same issue ?
13:46
i can understand the documentation part :)
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13:51
<alkisg>
`screen` is sooooo cool... I just implemented an "open an xterm on the teacher PC that contains a terminal which runs on the student client, either root or within the client session" command in a couple of lines! No need for SCREEN_02=shell anymore! :)
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<Kyle__>
alkisg: Screen is one of the things that makes a sysadmin's life so much easier.
13:53
I use it incessently.
13:54
<alkisg>
I've asked in the past in #screen if one can share a screen over the network without ssh, but noone had an answer
13:55
Fortunately I found a wiki page on the internet where someone had found a solution with socat
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14:40* Kyle__ grumbles. Stupid OSX.
14:41
<Kyle__>
What type of installer doesn't erase the previous settings?
14:41
<muppis>
Most of them.
14:44
<Kyle__>
muppis: Generally installers erase previous OS settings (in my experience), but not always data or programs.
14:44* Kyle__ is sitting through this OSX install for a second time, so he's not likely to be happy with apple today.
14:45
<robehend1>
Anyone know of a way to make it so Sabayon doesn't randomly crash on 10.04?
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<muppis>
As I can remember, Windows installer also does lazy job on erasing previous settings.
14:46
<robehend1>
windows installer does a horrible job
14:46
<Kyle__>
robehend1: that's part of gnome right? Remind me which part, I'll pull it on on this client (10.04).
14:46* Kyle__ nods.
14:46
<robehend1>
Kyle__: It's the user profile editor, that allows you to set mandatory settings beyond Gconf
14:46
<Kyle__>
It does a wretched job, and doesn't even give you the option of not destroying your bootloader.
14:47
robehend1: Err, is it part of the standard install in 'buntu 10.04?
14:47
<robehend1>
Kyle__: Nope, have to install Sabayon
14:48
Kyle__: Used to be called Pessellus I think
14:48
<muppis>
robehend1, yes, Windows installer does horrible job. It installs Windows.. ;)
14:48* Kyle__ grabbing it now
14:48
<robehend1>
muppis: Indeed ;)
14:48
Kyle__: It will let you go in and make a profile the first time, but if you ever try to edit said profile, it's extremely hit or miss
14:49
<Kyle__>
I tend to only install windows using VBox.... hell it's more stable than running it streight on the hardware, and it cleans up so much easier.
14:49
robehend1: K. Lets see.
14:52
robehend1: Well, I ran it as root, made a profile, edited it, saved it, then opened it... seems fine, but there are a _ton_ of status/error/warning messages in the console from it.
14:53
<robehend1>
Kyle__: Ya, same here. I'll keep fighting with it. It's a heck of alot easier than setting up /etc/skel
14:53
<Kyle__>
Oh, but I love /etc/skel.
14:53
<robehend1>
Kyle__: Can i set default panels and everything in /etc/skel?
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<Kyle__>
robehend1: No. Or at least not easily. But I think you _should_ be able to. That's an argument I need to have with the gnome-designers though ;)
14:54
<robehend1>
see, sabayon lets you do that, when it works..
14:54
<alkisg>
gconf defaults can also be used to set default panel values
14:55
<robehend1>
alkisg: Sabayon's basically an interactive gui front end to Gconf
14:55
<Kyle__>
robehend1: OK, I see what your saying. Second time I opened it, all changes were lost.
14:55
<alkisg>
Yes, when it works
14:55
<robehend1>
alkisg: exactly ;)
14:56
<alkisg>
So what I'm saying is that if you don't need per-group defaults, you could just use /usr/share/gconf/defaults or /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
14:56
<robehend1>
alkisg: I would, if knew how to configure those correctly.
14:58
<mgariepy>
robehend1, maybw you can just create a user, login, change the panel settings, then logout, with your admin account, go in /home/$USER/.gconf/apps/panel/
14:58
<robehend1>
would that work?
14:59
<mgariepy>
and see what changed
14:59
yes it can work.
14:59
<robehend1>
hmm, cant be worse than now, since when sabayon crashed it borked my whole profile
15:01
<mgariepy>
you need to modify everybodys profiles or just yours ?
15:01
<robehend1>
everyones
15:01
I need to make it so my students have a set interface they will be comfortable with.
15:01
plus take places and such off the bar, so its out of sight, out of mind.
15:03
<alkisg>
Maybe try some other flavor like mint or something?
15:03
<mgariepy>
ok, maybe you can drop the panel with gconf-tool-2 and load it in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/
15:04
<robehend1>
alkisg: It's gnome either way, so it would be the same configs
15:04
mgariepy: will try that
15:04
<alkisg>
robehend1: they'd be pre-made for you by the distro though
15:04
<robehend1>
alkisg: Agreed but I need to customize it for my enviroment. Take away things, add desktop icons, etc
15:05
<alkisg>
Panels can be a little painful, too many gconf keys involved. Desktop icons etc are much easier.
15:05
<robehend1>
alkisg: I have to remove the ubuntu gnome menu, though, then put up a custom one I make in alacarte
15:06
<alkisg>
Menus are much easier than panels
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<alkisg>
Before gnome put a keyboard layout applet by default, I had to put it manually for my users. I ended up writing a script for it, plain gconf settings weren't good enough.
15:08
<robehend1>
alkisg: thats what I'm finding. gconf is powerful, but just not what i need
15:09
<alkisg>
The rest of the stuff is quite easy to handle with gconf, except for panels... I think they need a redesigning (the related keys).
15:10
<robehend1>
i think gconf is due to be updated with gnome 3.0, if i'm not mistaken
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: networked screen?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup, and it optionally works with openssl too
15:24
http://www.torriefamily.org/~torriem/wiki/computer_stuff:shareterm
15:25
If you remove the openssl stuff, it's just 1 command for the first side, and 2 for the other...
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15:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: gah. what was that gnome-screensaver one that prevented people from locking the screensaver at all?
15:55
the gconf key
15:55
<alkisg>
Hmmm sorry?
15:55
<vagrantc>
there's /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled FALSE
15:55
but isn't there also something that prevents them from manually locking it?
15:56
<alkisg>
Ah, the other one, I wrote it yesterday but I don't have it handy, the quickest way would be to look at the logs...
15:56
<vagrantc>
i've been experiencing crashes, so i don't have as much backscroll as i usually do :(
15:56
ah, yes, the logs...
15:56
<alkisg>
moment...
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<alkisg>
/desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen
15:57
vagrantc: ^^
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: thanks again.
16:00
alkisg: i'll commit it to revision control this time. :)
16:00
<alkisg>
:D
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