IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 May 2010   (all times are UTC)

00:04
<cyberorg>
why would it suck, you are running the clients in LAN right?
00:04
<asymptote>
yeah but it may take a while for them to load
00:04
<cyberorg>
it takes about a min
00:04
<asymptote>
I just kind of like the sun-ray technology where you can just go from one terminal to another and never lose your work
00:04
well maybe it's not that long
00:05
I was just concerned that every time a thin client gets the image they'd have to go through the whole installation process each day
00:05
<cyberorg>
test it, you can run ltsp from live USB stick to see how it works if you like
00:05
<asymptote>
I will test it
00:05
I'm first going to test it in vm's
00:06
so I'm familiar w/ setting up the ltsp server and configuration
00:06
<cyberorg>
there is no installation process on the client
00:06
<asymptote>
then I'm going to buy some thin clients and test to see which ones meet our needs
00:06
ah...the vid I was watching looked like it did some sort of installation
00:06
well I'll see
00:06
<cyberorg>
you can boot up iso image from here http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live in a virtual machine
00:07
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start this is the process to setup the server
00:07
<asymptote>
I've been using ubuntu
00:07
I know it's kind of newblar
00:07
I just like it
00:07
<johnny>
nothin wrong with using ubuntu
00:08
i certainly use it
00:08
not on my own desktop..
00:08
but it's debian base is most familiar to the other folks who maintain the server
00:08
<asymptote>
yeah I like it too but I've been to some job interviews and they just always ask me why I chose Ubuntu instead of just plain ol' Debian
00:09
and I don't really know why I use Ubuntu instead of Debian
00:09
<cyberorg>
yeah nothing wrong with that, you don't get ltsp in live system though so install it in a VM, set up should be easy too
00:09
<asymptote>
installing now
00:10
<johnny>
asymptote, you can buy ubuntu support that's one reason
00:10
<asymptote>
i'm not buying
00:10
<johnny>
another.. is that debian "stable" contains packages that are too old
00:10
<asymptote>
oh ok
00:10
I see
00:10
<johnny>
imo anyways
00:11
also.. ubuntu has better integration
00:11
<asymptote>
eh, forgot to install dhcp server
00:11
<johnny>
personally .. i use fedora
00:11
<asymptote>
I see Fedora slammed by Debian users all the time
00:11
<johnny>
i don't use debian because i want better integration
00:12
if i don't want integration.. i use gentoo
00:12
<asymptote>
I've never gotten into gentoo
00:12
all the guru's seem to be gentoo users
00:12
<johnny>
the fedora folks are at the frontend of much of the development of what ends up in ubuntu
00:12
<alkisg>
asymptote: the dhcp server is included in the "ltsp-server-standalone" package
00:13
<johnny>
and some suse folks as well..
00:13
via novell
00:13
<asymptote>
I'll have to check the configuration
00:13
I kind of skipped a few steps in the documentation - my bad
00:13
<johnny>
i ran gentoo for 6 years
00:13
i learned a ton
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<asymptote>
yeah you'd have to
00:13
<alkisg>
asymptote: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
00:13
<asymptote>
YES
00:13
GOT IT
00:14
<johnny>
it has served me well to troubleshoot any other distro
00:14
<asymptote>
FOLLOWING IT NOW
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<asymptote>
I skipped the step where I set the interface addy
00:14
<johnny>
altho. i still have had to learn things like selinux since using fedora
00:14
fedora is a bit more bleeding edge than ubuntu
00:14
for example.. fedora is shipping their release with 3d support for the open nvidia drivers
00:15
ubuntu isn't doing that
00:15
<asymptote>
johnny on what do you base that opinion
00:15
k
00:15
<johnny>
newer releases of tons of different packages
00:15
<asymptote>
nm
00:15
<johnny>
the list is pretty long
00:15
<asymptote>
I'll have to start this discussion in my irc channel group
00:15
#ubuntu-us-ny
00:16
we'll see what everyone has to say
00:16
<johnny>
debian certainly has access to all the same packages..
00:16
afterall.. it's all open source
00:16
<asymptote>
yeah and you can always add repos
00:16
<johnny>
it's just what distros choose to ship for their relevent releases
00:16
ubuntu wanted to be very conservative for their lts release
00:16
as lucid is
00:16
<asymptote>
yeah I use lucid
00:16
I love it
00:17
and there's not a goddamn thing you can say to change my mind johnny
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:p
00:17
<johnny>
i use ubuntu..
00:17
for ltsp
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so.. i don't need to change your mind
00:17
but i would recommend you install fedora13 and play with it some
00:17
that is all
00:18
<asymptote>
maybe I will
00:18
<johnny>
i need to upgrade my gf's machine to lucid soon..
00:18
<asymptote>
depends how those open 3d drivers work
00:18
<johnny>
she runs ubuntu as well
00:18
well if you're not using nvidia.. you don't really have to worry
00:18
or certain ati cards..
00:18
<asymptote>
I do use nvidia
00:18
nah I'm done w/ ATI
00:18
<johnny>
it's certainly not going to match performance of nvidia
00:18
<asymptote>
exactly
00:18
<johnny>
intel are the best
00:19
<asymptote>
WHAT
00:19
<johnny>
intel's drivers are the best open drivers
00:19
period
00:19
ati is a close second
00:19
<asymptote>
sometimes they are
00:19
<johnny>
no.. always..
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<asymptote>
sometimes they fail miserably
00:19
<johnny>
nvidia gave no specs
00:19
<asymptote>
I've seen intel video card installations
00:19
well
00:19
I guess it depends
00:19
I dunno - I use nvidia right now and I'm not about to buy another card
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<asymptote>
but I agree that I have seen Intel release open source drivers for their cards
00:20
<johnny>
so the open nvidia drivers will never match proprietary driver performance
00:20
<asymptote>
of course not
00:20
I agree
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<johnny>
at some point tho.. the ati drivers could match the proprietary ones tho
00:21
it's all about what you care about..
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if you care about performance over everything.. nvidia still wins
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period
00:21
if you care about working best with the linux desktop.. ubuntu wins
00:21
err
00:21
intel wins
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<johnny>
intel - gma500 that is..
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since that was sold by intel.. but developed elsewise..
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<asymptote>
maybe next time I build a machine
00:22
I'll check it out
00:22
<johnny>
just depends on what the purpose is..
00:22
gaming.. nvidia ...
00:22
<asymptote>
RUNNING CRYSIS
00:22
<johnny>
nviida
00:22
<alkisg>
Putting the nvidia drivers on the chroot is much easier on Lucid than on previous releases...
00:22
<asymptote>
I WANT TO RUN CRYSIS IN WINE
00:22
<johnny>
definitely
00:22
nvidia nvidia nvidia
00:22
i don't have time for games tho
00:22
<asymptote>
YOU SAID INTEL
00:22
<johnny>
no..
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i didn't
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<alkisg>
they changed the packages so that all of them can be installed simultaneously
00:23
<johnny>
i said for performance.. use nvidia
00:23
<alkisg>
(in ubuntu)
00:23
<johnny>
and not the open drivers
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<asymptote>
(01:20:01 AM) johnny: if you care about working best with the linux desktop.. ubuntu wins
00:23
(edited)
00:23
(01:20:03 AM) johnny: intel wins
00:23
gg no re
00:23
<johnny>
yes..
00:23
nothing to do with performance
00:23
only working best
00:23
integration.. things like xrandr
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power management
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etc
00:23
pure gaming performance.. nvidia
00:24
<asymptote>
well I would imagine running windoze applications in wine and their video capabilities would have something to do with performance
00:24
<johnny>
with or without wine
00:24
<asymptote>
but then again I try not to use windoze apps
00:24
lots of great games
00:24
<johnny>
being that steam will be available for linux soon
00:24
without wine
00:24
<asymptote>
oh rly
00:24
lmgtfy
00:24
<johnny>
don't need to google it for me..
00:25
<asymptote>
yeah but
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00:25
<asymptote>
I just wanted to use an acronym
00:25
that you'd recognize
00:25
<johnny>
asymptote, mostly because of caring about working on the mac
00:25
since mac and linux are both unix.. and both use opengl..
00:25
it wasn't too hard to go from one to the other
00:25
<asymptote>
right
00:25
<johnny>
as soon as you go to opengl.. it's much easier to move to linux
00:26
<asymptote>
what is a comparison to opengl
00:26
<johnny>
directx?
00:26
<asymptote>
like I know nothing about opengl development
00:26
ok
00:26
<johnny>
or rather.. direct3d
00:26
i don't know what the hell that call that stuff now
00:26
<asymptote>
directx is generally M$oft or proprietary or both
00:26
<johnny>
i haven't used windows in uhmm..
00:26
7 years
00:26
yes..
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it is
00:26
<asymptote>
k
00:26
<johnny>
both..
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<asymptote>
any others ?
00:26
<johnny>
but steam was written to work with direct3d
00:26
as far as i know..
00:27
i don't really know much ..
00:27
<asymptote>
I believe there's an option in counterstrike to select direct3d
00:27
<johnny>
i just know having steam available makes it MUCh easier to have games for mac and linux
00:27
hmm.. maybe they did use opengl for more games
00:27
i didn't think they did
00:27
<asymptote>
the LTSP server is done - I need to test this out
00:27
sec
00:27
<johnny>
but that will surely make it easier if they were already using opengl
00:27
that just tends to be the holdup when porting games to linux
00:28
the major holdup
00:28
but yes.. more and more data is uncovered about steam for linux
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<asymptote>
ugh
00:31
there's nothing in dhcpd.conf
00:31
I dunno if this will work
00:32
<alkisg>
asymptote: look in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
00:33
<asymptote>
I'll check it in a sec
00:33
setting static ip for the ltsp interface now
00:33
<alkisg>
Also, if you're trying to see the typical setup in a vm, you'll need 2 nics
00:33
<asymptote>
yeah I enabled another
00:33
<alkisg>
One for "internal network" with static ip and one for "external network" with dhclient
00:33
<asymptote>
well
00:33
the external network one
00:34
<alkisg>
...and then the clients would go to the internal network
00:34
<asymptote>
I just have it nat'd
00:34
right
00:34
<alkisg>
Sure, nat would be fine
00:34
Which virtualization program do you use?
00:34
<asymptote>
vbox
00:34
of course
00:35
<alkisg>
OK. AFAIK in the internal network it doesn't have an embedded dhcp server, so the ltsp one would be used.
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<asymptote>
eh
00:36
if my static ip for the internal card is 192.168.0.1
00:36
then my netmask would be 255.255.255.0
00:36
and gateway I'm not sure about
00:36
<alkisg>
You don't need a gateway
00:36
<asymptote>
k
00:37
<alkisg>
The clients will access the internet from the other nic
00:37
<asymptote>
yeah as long as it goes through
00:38
<alkisg>
If you had that network setup before the installation, it would play out of thebox
00:38
it would modify /etc/network/interfaces and put a static ip of 192.168.0.1 on the server for you automatically
00:38
<asymptote>
yeah my internal nic
00:39
is not retaining
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the ip I set in
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interfaces
00:39
<alkisg>
Erm what? What do you have in interfaces now?
00:39
!pastebot
00:39
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<asymptote>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/JZLf1Xfx
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<alkisg>
I think you're missing an `auto eth1` there
00:41
<asymptote>
CORRECT alkisg
00:41
gj
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<asymptote>
ok network configured, now let me check this dhcpd business
00:42
k looks like that's all set
00:43
well looks like I've done everything on the ubuntu docs
00:43
time to boot the thin client
00:43
HERE WE GO OFF TO THE RACES
00:45
bah
00:45
well pxe works
00:46
but didn't get an image to d/l
00:46
<alkisg>
What do you get with ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images ?
00:47
(ah, wait, with image you mean the nbd image or the kernel? did it boot a kernel?)
00:47
<asymptote>
amd64.img
00:47
it did not boot a kernel
00:47
<alkisg>
What's the last lines that you see on the client boot screen?
00:48
<asymptote>
rebooting it
00:48
can i just paste
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or do i have to pastebin
00:48
it's like 4 lines
00:48
<alkisg>
paste
00:48
<asymptote>
actually I can't copy/paste
00:48
so I'll just type them
00:49
<alkisg>
You can paste an image to imagebin.org
00:49
<asymptote>
bah
00:49
ok
00:52
http://imagebin.org/95941
00:52
soirry I didn't reply sooner - playing full tilt poker as well
00:53
<alkisg>
sudo status tftpd-hpa
00:53
<asymptote>
k
00:53
tftpd-hpa start/running, process 1627
00:54
<alkisg>
pastebin /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<asymptote>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/dJu9yD3y
00:55
btw thank you for your help w/ all this
00:56
<alkisg>
You need to change the i386 there in amd64, since you built an amd64 chroot
00:56
<asymptote>
k
00:56
<alkisg>
(and also need to have amd64 clients)
00:56
<asymptote>
I believe they are
00:56
I'll double check
00:56
<alkisg>
Then, sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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<asymptote>
what's the difference between invoke-rc.d and using /etc/init.d/dhcpe-server restart
01:00
k it's loading now
01:00
kickass ty rofl this is awesome
01:02
well I'm off to a good start - I'll have to read all this wiki
01:02
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
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<asymptote>
I'm assuming you have to create accounts somewhere
01:02
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
01:02
<asymptote>
so people can login
01:03
<alkisg>
Be sure to read the LDM_DIRECTX there
01:03
<asymptote>
I'll read it all
01:03
<alkisg>
The accounts are created on the server
01:03
<asymptote>
I'm reading the ubuntultsp wiki
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<asymptote>
alkisg: you don't happen to deal w/ winblows vpn's do you
01:09
<alkisg>
asymptote: heh, just had to use one 5 days ago for the first time in my life
01:10
<asymptote>
k cool
01:10
<alkisg>
It's all there for lucid, you don't need to install anything, just configure the connection according to your vpn's settings
01:10
<asymptote>
for some reason two users are vpn'ing from home, and then in the morning when they come into work they can't login
01:10
<alkisg>
Ah, I don't know about that
01:10
<asymptote>
it's cool
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01:23
<elias_a>
stgraber: Pity your paper did not pass the Akademy review process.
01:23
Asmo Koskinen wrote me bout it yesterday.
01:24
We will have a workshop next week and talk there about future moves.
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<gnunux>
hi
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<alkisg>
cyberorg: I think we were talking together some months ago about logging out & rebooting, do you have the KDE commands handy? Could you please pastebin them for me?
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<cyberorg>
alkisg, sh -c 'xprop -root -f LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION 8s -set LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION REBOOT && gnome-session-save --logout; qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 0 0
05:33
<alkisg>
cyberorg: thanks!
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07:36
<bbd>
Looking for some ideas. Got a small ~20 LTSP client setup running ofr years. Recently upgraded to latest ltsp, enabled pulseaudio, flash and problems started that client-server communication can reach up to constant 100mbit of network when opening some heavy flash or java script pages (flash games, darn facebook etc.). ldm_directx=true, gigabit server, clients each 100mbit. any ideas how to get around this?
07:39
<alkisg>
"enabled pulseaudio"? which distro/version is that?
07:41
<sep>
bbd, flash and java is often quite intense, only recomendations i can make is... don't enable flash | run browser and flash with local apps | use diskless workstations instead of thin clients
07:41
<bbd>
server is running debian/squueze, client is build based on ubuntu/karmic
07:42
sep, well actually i have adblock and flashblock installed as default firefox plugins. But still opening some java script based page, let's say photo gallery with java script popup kill sthe lan..
07:43
i was wondering if encapsulating X11 inside of ssh could help (ldm_directx=false)
07:43
<alkisg>
bbd, do you have flow control == off?
07:43
No, ldm_directx=false will be much slower. The only advantage there is "safer".
07:44
(btw, what's the reason to have a karmic chroot? newer kernel?)
07:44
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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<bbd>
alkisg: previous setup was running with ldm_directx=false (as there were no such option lol) and patched to support via padlock on clients (via c7) so encryption was not slowing down
07:50
thanks for good hint about flow control, going to try it now. Btw, about karmic chroot - needless to say ubuntu got better support for ltsp, couldn't easily enable audio with squeeze, so tried to build ubuntu/lucid client, sound worked ok but xorg-7.5 was major cpu hog with via unichrome, rebuilt client with ubuntu/karmic which has xorg-7.4 and it was ok.
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07:56
<reynolds>
morning! Does any ne have a solution for a blank login screen? I upgraded to 10.4 and a couple of my clients are booting up with a blank blue screen with no place to log in.
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<bbd>
just found another weird thing - it's enough to MINIMIZE web browser with flash page open and clients starts rx'ing as fast as it can
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<rjune>
ogra, you about?
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<thunsucker>
Good Morning
08:49
I have an idea of what mind be causing my clients to randomly loose sound
08:49
this morning, a lab of 25 users all lost sound within a few minutes of each other
08:49
<rjune>
congrats
08:50
that you have an idea, not that it happened.
08:50
<thunsucker>
the ltsp server is down to only 66mb of free ram
08:50
that has got to be it
08:50
rjune: ty
08:50
<rjune>
66mb RAM + swap?
08:51
and how much of the RAM is cache?
08:51
paste the output of free -m
08:51
<thunsucker>
894 swap is free, cache says 1344 free
08:52
k just a sec
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<thunsucker1>
sorry got kicked
08:53
rjune: http://www.pastebin.org/206552
08:53
<rjune>
for pasting too much?
08:53
<thunsucker1>
rjune: no i'm taking a wild guess the internet here...we are on wireless and it's very windy today
08:53
<rjune>
ah
08:54
at anyrate, your memory usage looks ok to me.
08:54
<thunsucker1>
rjune: ok, maybe I need to read more about it
08:55
<rjune>
you've got 1.3 G cache to reclaim
08:55
does dmesg show anything on the server about killing processes?
08:55
<thunsucker1>
rjune: not that i see no
08:55
<rjune>
it's been a while, but to confirm, there is still a sound server running on the Term server that redirects audio to the client, right guys?
08:56
Used to use esd and/or arts. I'm not sure what the audio transport is now
08:56
<thunsucker1>
rjune: correct
08:56
<rjune>
and those processes are running, right?
08:56
<thunsucker1>
rjune: i'm using the rdesktop screen script
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<thunsucker>
rjune: so what happens is instead of loading up ldm with a gnome session, it goes directly to rdp
08:58
<rjune>
ah
08:58
that still should use the same audio transport I think
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<petre>
greetings old friends
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<petre>
There is (or was) a company in the eastern US that was selling a computer with multiple video cards and USB ports, such that you could have three or four people actually using one computer. Anyone remember the name of the company?
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<thunsucker>
petre: not sure, but I know many vendors sell those kinds of systems
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<petre>
thunsucker, know of any websites? The place I'm thinking of had one.
09:14
<thunsucker>
petre: just a moment i'll look
09:18
petre: wow I'm not having any luck searching
09:18
petre: wait i found something
09:18
petre: http://www.contek-office-tech.com/nComputing_X300_Virtual_Desktop.htm
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<thunsucker>
petre: did you get that link?
09:23
<petre>
yes
09:23
looking now
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<thunsucker>
petre: lots of good point of views here, with a few jokes I'm sure
09:23
petre: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/021241
09:25
<johnny>
when i see "call us for pricing" that means i don't bother
09:26
<thunsucker>
johnny: I agree with that
09:28
<johnny>
this isn't like an ad in the phone book..
09:28
so either they are dumb.. or they just wanna try to seriously upsell
09:30
<thunsucker>
johnny: not to mention of the 5 or 6 systems that I've seen customers buy like that, they've never worked
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<thunsucker1>
is SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" still a valid option in lts.conf for ltsp 5.2 ?
09:33
<petre>
I just wanted some sites to point a student at. He had asked if the ebox 2300 I have could support four or five users at once.
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<thunsucker>
that would be a no, looks like "This parameter sets which sound daemon to use on the thin client. Values are esd, nasd, and pulse"
09:37
<johnny>
there is no rdp sound daemon that i've ever heard of..
09:37
not sure why nas is still there tho
09:38
<thunsucker>
johnny: ty, saw several references for it but it seemed more like with 4.2 and they also said it kills sound. so maybe they going with the idea Sound_Daemon="killmyaudioplease"
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<thunsucker>
johnny: ahh found a post by Gadi back from 2006, we are correct it's a placeholder not an actual daemon
09:39
<johnny>
ah probably means don't start a sound daemon at all.. just use oss
09:41
<Gadi>
thunsucker: I think you should keep the default pulseaudio sound daemon running on 10.04 for rdesktop screen script
09:41
I have found on 10.04 that it likes going through pulseaudio
09:42
you should remove all sound related stuff in your lts.conf and simply use the -r sound:local flag in RDP_OPTIONS
09:42
(or on the "rdesktop .... " SCREEN_XX line)
09:42
<thunsucker>
Gadi: interesting! thank you for the update. I swapped back to 9.10 for today to build my 10.04 install again from scratch
09:43
Gadi: will do!
09:43
<Gadi>
if you *do* want to turn off the sound daemon, in 10.04 you can use: SOUND_DAEMON=False
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: ok I will try with it on and then with it off
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10:32
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<knipwim>
sbalneav: evening is just starting here ...
10:59
johnny: you wanted to speak earlier this week?
10:59
<johnny>
knipwim, somebody had some problem.. i can't recall now
10:59
<knipwim>
:)
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<rjune>
Gadi!
11:15
!g
11:15
<ltspbot>
rjune: "g" :: Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: I have some good news, one thing I did last night was revert back to a snapshot of my 9.10 install, before I did any audio changes and upgraded alsa again. last time I made a mistake and went from 1.0.20 to 1.0.21 and then to 10.0.23. this time I went directly from 1.0.20 to 1.0.23 and so far the audio hasn't died. I'm still waiting on my lucid vm to finish installing though, I can't wait to try the things you suggested
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: hrm. ltsp-update-sshkeys assumes default sshd port...
12:24
<johnny>
yeah.. i saw that
12:24
that's weird
12:24
why does it care about any port?
12:24
<vagrantc>
it now uses ssh-keyscan to get the keys of remote servers
12:24
<Gadi>
vagrantc: our reverting should fix that for the local serrver
12:25
<vagrantc>
Gadi: for the local server...
12:25
<Gadi>
now, we just need to consider the remote ones
12:25
it should be a flag
12:25
easy enough
12:25
<vagrantc>
just add a flag for remote servers
12:25
or specify host:port
12:25
<Gadi>
yup
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12:26* vagrantc still likes just generating files.
12:26
<vagrantc>
Gadi: does it cache the remote server keys somehow?
12:27
<Gadi>
yup
12:27
using the usual mechanism
12:27
<jammcq>
hey kids
12:28
<cliebow>
Dad!!
12:29
<vagrantc>
Gadi: so when you run it without arguments, it uses the old entries?
12:30
<Gadi>
yup
12:30
they are in /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.auto
12:30
(the remote ones, that is)
12:31
<vagrantc>
ah.
12:31
so if you specify a different set of servers on a subsequent run, it'll ditch the old oneS?
12:32
<Gadi>
right
12:32
if you want to keep those, you can rename the file
12:33
<vagrantc>
fair enough
12:33
<johnny>
oh.. remote servers..
12:33
<vagrantc>
well, the version that's in lucid still uses that mechanism for the local server...
12:34
it has enough issues that i'd think it should probably be updated in an SRU
12:34
<Gadi>
I suppose I could generate individual files like ssh_known_hosts.1.2.3.4
12:34
what do you think is best?
12:34
if I did that, the admin must do his own cleaning
12:35
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i think the .auto approach is fine.
12:35
though there's definitely potential for confusion
12:35
so it should probably be documented
12:38
<thunsucker>
Gadi: darn my audio issues have returned
12:39
Gadi: seems to be on a much smaller scale. the 2 users it's happened to so far, were logged in for almost 40 minutes playing an "educational flash game" and had no issues until sound randomly died
12:39
Gadi: but I simply logged out of TS (restarted the rdeskop screen script basically) and it worked again
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<Gadi>
thunsucker: 9.10?
12:41
<thunsucker>
Gadi: yes, unfortenly. The client is still building for 10.04
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: will try 10.04 out after lunch break....
12:46* Lns waves to fellow ltspers
12:50* vagrantc responds in kind
12:58* Gadi committed a -p flag for ltsp-update-sshkeys
12:59
<Gadi>
since we don't support multiple app servers with different ports atm anyway in ldm, I don't see the need yet to allow ip:port
12:59
tho, I suppose if you twist my arm, I could add the two more lines of code
12:59
ok...
13:01
<Lns>
hahaha
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: i am versed in a wide variety off arm-twisting techniques... which would you prefer?
13:06
well, really, it's just variations on about 5 techniques
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<Gadi>
ow! ow!
13:08
ok ok - I committed it
13:08
let go!
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<vagrantc>
just in case we do get an ldm to support different ports... this would avoid the need to update ltsp at the same time
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<johnny>
/me reminds himself not to piss of vagrantc
13:10
off*
13:10
<vagrantc>
well, aikido is also an art of compassion
13:10
<johnny>
but even the compassionate can become pissed off
13:10
<vagrantc>
not like jiu-jitsu, the art of bad-ass machismo
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<vagrantc>
or wait, jiu-jitsu is the gentle way... HAH
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<abeehc>
lns!
13:53
where you the one i saw talkinabout kvm
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<Lns>
hi abeehc
13:54
i've been fiddling with it the past couple of days, yes
13:54
<abeehc>
same i've been running it in prod for a couple months now
13:54
are you using libvirsh
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<Lns>
libvirt? yeah...well i haven't really gotten anything solid running yet
13:55
ive been battling trying to convert a win2k vmware image to qcow2
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<abeehc>
ow i see
13:56
well i do know some gotchas if you run into anything; but i've not tried a windows guest
13:56
that would kinda hurt inside
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<Lns>
abeehc: thank you! I've kinda taken a break from it, closed all my xterms and now i forgot where i left off =p
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: Success! 10.04 audio is now working
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<puck1>
I am having some random terminals just freeze for a min or so. I can't pin it down to any server utilization problems. Anyone know how I should start to diagnose the problem?
14:23
<alkisg>
nfs?
14:23
dns timeouts?
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<johnny>
high network congestion? .. bad switch?
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bad cabling?
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<puck1>
I have checked the nfs server which houses all the home drives but it doesn't seem to busy. Also I have checked the servers for retransmits to the nfs server but can't pin the problem there. I have about 100 TCs pointed to 5 servers. I do have all the machines on one segment. Is this possibly a problem?
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<johnny>
look at your switch?
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<johnny>
is it always blinking a congestion light?
14:28
<tstafford>
maybe this: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36260.html
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<alkisg>
puck1: I don't have much experience with nfs, but I did have 1 min timeouts due to nfs locks (statd)
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<puck1>
I really don't have much experience trying to find a problem like this. How can I best look at the NFS stats to determine if there is a problem there. I have looked at the nfs-kernel-server default config file and bumped up the daemons to 72 from 8 and now I have have no retransmits from the other servers. What else do I look at?
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<puck1>
The main switch is very busy. I don't really know how to quantify 'busy'
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<Lns>
puck1: are your app servers also nfs?
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<markit>
hi, is it possible having composite effects in the thin clients? I don't have in any of mine, but don't know if is a video board limitation or just is inpossible to obtain
15:39
<alkisg>
It's possible. Usually on intel clients.
15:43
<Lns>
you know what's funny? In Ubuntu, when compiz was enabled and you boot a thin client, the display was upside down and backwards. But not how you'd think, it was the font/wordage itself, ...it was so weird. I felt dyslexic
15:44
i'm pretty sure it was a known issue but it was almost amusing to see it like that. It was like the thin client had a crazy compiz virus. =p
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<markit>
alkisg: mmm does composition require 3d acceleration?
15:51
I'm very confused about this issue
15:52
I've a ati radeon HD 2400 PRO that works fine in this workstation and the mobility version of the same board on my laptop
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but apart of these fortunate cases, I've found no other pc where works
15:53
but 2d acceleration sould be very common with Free drivers, 3d is the problem
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<alkisg>
Lns: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
15:56
markit: no idea, my clients are too ancient to support composition
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<johnny>
no.. you don't need 3d
15:57
but.. you would probably need to use metacity compositing over compiz
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<markit>
johnny: I've KDE, so is kwin that does the trick directly
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<prolog>
hello all!
16:07
this afternoon I watched a plaestra Jim McQuilan LTSP on good content!
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<Lns>
alkisg: ty =) and thx for that bottom gconf comment!
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<alkisg>
!compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<alkisg>
:)
16:09
<Lns>
=p
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<sidartha>
can anyone help me figure out why my local apps are not working in ubuntu 10.4?
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<vagrantc>
sidartha: start off by explaining what you've tried
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<sidartha>
I had everything set up in 9.04, then rebuilt my chroot after doing a os upgrade. my lts.conf stayed the same. I reinstalled programs into the chroot. But menu items properties are not reflecting localapps.
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<markit>
I'd like, just as an experiment, to change the video resolution to 640x480. IS enough put "X_MODE_0=640X480" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and reboot the client? Kubuntu 10.04
17:51
(if so, seems not to work...)
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