IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 7 May 2010 (all times are UTC)
| 00:04 | <cyberorg> why would it suck, you are running the clients in LAN right?
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| 00:04 | <asymptote> yeah but it may take a while for them to load
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| 00:04 | <cyberorg> it takes about a min
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| 00:04 | <asymptote> I just kind of like the sun-ray technology where you can just go from one terminal to another and never lose your work
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| 00:04 | well maybe it's not that long
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| 00:05 | I was just concerned that every time a thin client gets the image they'd have to go through the whole installation process each day
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| 00:05 | <cyberorg> test it, you can run ltsp from live USB stick to see how it works if you like
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| 00:05 | <asymptote> I will test it
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| 00:05 | I'm first going to test it in vm's
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| 00:06 | so I'm familiar w/ setting up the ltsp server and configuration
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| 00:06 | <cyberorg> there is no installation process on the client
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| 00:06 | <asymptote> then I'm going to buy some thin clients and test to see which ones meet our needs
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| 00:06 | ah...the vid I was watching looked like it did some sort of installation
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| 00:06 | well I'll see
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| 00:06 | <cyberorg> you can boot up iso image from here http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live in a virtual machine
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| 00:07 | http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start this is the process to setup the server
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| 00:07 | <asymptote> I've been using ubuntu
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| 00:07 | I know it's kind of newblar
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| 00:07 | I just like it
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| 00:07 | <johnny> nothin wrong with using ubuntu
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| 00:08 | i certainly use it
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| 00:08 | not on my own desktop..
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| 00:08 | but it's debian base is most familiar to the other folks who maintain the server
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| 00:08 | <asymptote> yeah I like it too but I've been to some job interviews and they just always ask me why I chose Ubuntu instead of just plain ol' Debian
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| 00:09 | and I don't really know why I use Ubuntu instead of Debian
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| 00:09 | <cyberorg> yeah nothing wrong with that, you don't get ltsp in live system though so install it in a VM, set up should be easy too
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| 00:09 | <asymptote> installing now
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| 00:10 | <johnny> asymptote, you can buy ubuntu support that's one reason
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| 00:10 | <asymptote> i'm not buying
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| 00:10 | <johnny> another.. is that debian "stable" contains packages that are too old
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| 00:10 | <asymptote> oh ok
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| 00:10 | I see
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| 00:10 | <johnny> imo anyways
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| 00:11 | also.. ubuntu has better integration
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| 00:11 | <asymptote> eh, forgot to install dhcp server
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| 00:11 | <johnny> personally .. i use fedora
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| 00:11 | <asymptote> I see Fedora slammed by Debian users all the time
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| 00:11 | <johnny> i don't use debian because i want better integration
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| 00:12 | if i don't want integration.. i use gentoo
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| 00:12 | <asymptote> I've never gotten into gentoo
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| 00:12 | all the guru's seem to be gentoo users
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| 00:12 | <johnny> the fedora folks are at the frontend of much of the development of what ends up in ubuntu
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| 00:12 | <alkisg> asymptote: the dhcp server is included in the "ltsp-server-standalone" package
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| 00:13 | <johnny> and some suse folks as well..
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| 00:13 | via novell
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| 00:13 | <asymptote> I'll have to check the configuration
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| 00:13 | I kind of skipped a few steps in the documentation - my bad
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| 00:13 | <johnny> i ran gentoo for 6 years
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| 00:13 | i learned a ton
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| 00:13 | <asymptote> yeah you'd have to
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| 00:13 | <alkisg> asymptote: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 00:13 | <asymptote> YES
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| 00:13 | GOT IT
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| 00:14 | <johnny> it has served me well to troubleshoot any other distro
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| 00:14 | <asymptote> FOLLOWING IT NOW
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| 00:14 | <asymptote> I skipped the step where I set the interface addy
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| 00:14 | <johnny> altho. i still have had to learn things like selinux since using fedora
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| 00:14 | fedora is a bit more bleeding edge than ubuntu
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| 00:14 | for example.. fedora is shipping their release with 3d support for the open nvidia drivers
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| 00:15 | ubuntu isn't doing that
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| 00:15 | <asymptote> johnny on what do you base that opinion
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| 00:15 | k
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| 00:15 | <johnny> newer releases of tons of different packages
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| 00:15 | <asymptote> nm
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| 00:15 | <johnny> the list is pretty long
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| 00:15 | <asymptote> I'll have to start this discussion in my irc channel group
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| 00:15 | #ubuntu-us-ny
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| 00:16 | we'll see what everyone has to say
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| 00:16 | <johnny> debian certainly has access to all the same packages..
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| 00:16 | afterall.. it's all open source
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| 00:16 | <asymptote> yeah and you can always add repos
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| 00:16 | <johnny> it's just what distros choose to ship for their relevent releases
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| 00:16 | ubuntu wanted to be very conservative for their lts release
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| 00:16 | as lucid is
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| 00:16 | <asymptote> yeah I use lucid
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| 00:16 | I love it
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| 00:17 | and there's not a goddamn thing you can say to change my mind johnny
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| 00:17 | :p
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| 00:17 | <johnny> i use ubuntu..
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| 00:17 | for ltsp
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| 00:17 | so.. i don't need to change your mind
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| 00:17 | but i would recommend you install fedora13 and play with it some
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| 00:17 | that is all
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| 00:18 | <asymptote> maybe I will
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| 00:18 | <johnny> i need to upgrade my gf's machine to lucid soon..
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| 00:18 | <asymptote> depends how those open 3d drivers work
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| 00:18 | <johnny> she runs ubuntu as well
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| 00:18 | well if you're not using nvidia.. you don't really have to worry
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| 00:18 | or certain ati cards..
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| 00:18 | <asymptote> I do use nvidia
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| 00:18 | nah I'm done w/ ATI
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| 00:18 | <johnny> it's certainly not going to match performance of nvidia
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| 00:18 | <asymptote> exactly
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| 00:18 | <johnny> intel are the best
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| 00:19 | <asymptote> WHAT
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| 00:19 | <johnny> intel's drivers are the best open drivers
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| 00:19 | period
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| 00:19 | ati is a close second
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| 00:19 | <asymptote> sometimes they are
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| 00:19 | <johnny> no.. always..
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| 00:19 | <asymptote> sometimes they fail miserably
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| 00:19 | <johnny> nvidia gave no specs
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| 00:19 | <asymptote> I've seen intel video card installations
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| 00:19 | well
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| 00:19 | I guess it depends
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| 00:19 | I dunno - I use nvidia right now and I'm not about to buy another card
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| 00:20 | <asymptote> but I agree that I have seen Intel release open source drivers for their cards
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| 00:20 | <johnny> so the open nvidia drivers will never match proprietary driver performance
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| 00:20 | <asymptote> of course not
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| 00:20 | I agree
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| 00:20 | <johnny> at some point tho.. the ati drivers could match the proprietary ones tho
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| 00:21 | it's all about what you care about..
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| 00:21 | if you care about performance over everything.. nvidia still wins
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| 00:21 | period
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| 00:21 | if you care about working best with the linux desktop.. ubuntu wins
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| 00:21 | err
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| 00:21 | intel wins
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| 00:21 | <johnny> intel - gma500 that is..
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| 00:22 | since that was sold by intel.. but developed elsewise..
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| 00:22 | <asymptote> maybe next time I build a machine
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| 00:22 | I'll check it out
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| 00:22 | <johnny> just depends on what the purpose is..
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| 00:22 | gaming.. nvidia ...
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| 00:22 | <asymptote> RUNNING CRYSIS
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| 00:22 | <johnny> nviida
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| 00:22 | <alkisg> Putting the nvidia drivers on the chroot is much easier on Lucid than on previous releases...
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| 00:22 | <asymptote> I WANT TO RUN CRYSIS IN WINE
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| 00:22 | <johnny> definitely
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| 00:22 | nvidia nvidia nvidia
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| 00:22 | i don't have time for games tho
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| 00:22 | <asymptote> YOU SAID INTEL
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| 00:22 | <johnny> no..
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| 00:22 | i didn't
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| 00:22 | <alkisg> they changed the packages so that all of them can be installed simultaneously
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| 00:23 | <johnny> i said for performance.. use nvidia
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| 00:23 | <alkisg> (in ubuntu)
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| 00:23 | <johnny> and not the open drivers
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| 00:23 | <asymptote> (01:20:01 AM) johnny: if you care about working best with the linux desktop.. ubuntu wins
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| 00:23 | (edited)
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| 00:23 | (01:20:03 AM) johnny: intel wins
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| 00:23 | gg no re
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| 00:23 | <johnny> yes..
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| 00:23 | nothing to do with performance
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| 00:23 | only working best
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| 00:23 | integration.. things like xrandr
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| 00:23 | power management
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| 00:23 | etc
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| 00:23 | pure gaming performance.. nvidia
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| 00:24 | <asymptote> well I would imagine running windoze applications in wine and their video capabilities would have something to do with performance
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| 00:24 | <johnny> with or without wine
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| 00:24 | <asymptote> but then again I try not to use windoze apps
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| 00:24 | lots of great games
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| 00:24 | <johnny> being that steam will be available for linux soon
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| 00:24 | without wine
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| 00:24 | <asymptote> oh rly
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| 00:24 | lmgtfy
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| 00:24 | <johnny> don't need to google it for me..
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| 00:25 | <asymptote> yeah but
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| 00:25 | <asymptote> I just wanted to use an acronym
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| 00:25 | that you'd recognize
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| 00:25 | <johnny> asymptote, mostly because of caring about working on the mac
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| 00:25 | since mac and linux are both unix.. and both use opengl..
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| 00:25 | it wasn't too hard to go from one to the other
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| 00:25 | <asymptote> right
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| 00:25 | <johnny> as soon as you go to opengl.. it's much easier to move to linux
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| 00:26 | <asymptote> what is a comparison to opengl
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| 00:26 | <johnny> directx?
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| 00:26 | <asymptote> like I know nothing about opengl development
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| 00:26 | ok
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| 00:26 | <johnny> or rather.. direct3d
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| 00:26 | i don't know what the hell that call that stuff now
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| 00:26 | <asymptote> directx is generally M$oft or proprietary or both
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| 00:26 | <johnny> i haven't used windows in uhmm..
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| 00:26 | 7 years
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| 00:26 | yes..
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| 00:26 | it is
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| 00:26 | <asymptote> k
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| 00:26 | <johnny> both..
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| 00:26 | <asymptote> any others ?
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| 00:26 | <johnny> but steam was written to work with direct3d
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| 00:26 | as far as i know..
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| 00:27 | i don't really know much ..
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| 00:27 | <asymptote> I believe there's an option in counterstrike to select direct3d
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| 00:27 | <johnny> i just know having steam available makes it MUCh easier to have games for mac and linux
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| 00:27 | hmm.. maybe they did use opengl for more games
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| 00:27 | i didn't think they did
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| 00:27 | <asymptote> the LTSP server is done - I need to test this out
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| 00:27 | sec
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| 00:27 | <johnny> but that will surely make it easier if they were already using opengl
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| 00:27 | that just tends to be the holdup when porting games to linux
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| 00:28 | the major holdup
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| 00:28 | but yes.. more and more data is uncovered about steam for linux
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| 00:31 | <asymptote> ugh
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| 00:31 | there's nothing in dhcpd.conf
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| 00:31 | I dunno if this will work
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| 00:32 | <alkisg> asymptote: look in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 00:33 | <asymptote> I'll check it in a sec
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| 00:33 | setting static ip for the ltsp interface now
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| 00:33 | <alkisg> Also, if you're trying to see the typical setup in a vm, you'll need 2 nics
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| 00:33 | <asymptote> yeah I enabled another
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| 00:33 | <alkisg> One for "internal network" with static ip and one for "external network" with dhclient
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| 00:33 | <asymptote> well
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| 00:33 | the external network one
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| 00:34 | <alkisg> ...and then the clients would go to the internal network
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| 00:34 | <asymptote> I just have it nat'd
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| 00:34 | right
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| 00:34 | <alkisg> Sure, nat would be fine
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| 00:34 | Which virtualization program do you use?
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| 00:34 | <asymptote> vbox
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| 00:34 | of course
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| 00:35 | <alkisg> OK. AFAIK in the internal network it doesn't have an embedded dhcp server, so the ltsp one would be used.
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| 00:36 | <asymptote> eh
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| 00:36 | if my static ip for the internal card is 192.168.0.1
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| 00:36 | then my netmask would be 255.255.255.0
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| 00:36 | and gateway I'm not sure about
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| 00:36 | <alkisg> You don't need a gateway
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| 00:36 | <asymptote> k
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| 00:37 | <alkisg> The clients will access the internet from the other nic
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| 00:37 | <asymptote> yeah as long as it goes through
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| 00:38 | <alkisg> If you had that network setup before the installation, it would play out of thebox
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| 00:38 | it would modify /etc/network/interfaces and put a static ip of 192.168.0.1 on the server for you automatically
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| 00:38 | <asymptote> yeah my internal nic
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| 00:39 | is not retaining
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| 00:39 | the ip I set in
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| 00:39 | interfaces
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| 00:39 | <alkisg> Erm what? What do you have in interfaces now?
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| 00:39 | !pastebot
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| 00:39 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 00:40 | <asymptote> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/JZLf1Xfx
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| 00:41 | <alkisg> I think you're missing an `auto eth1` there
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| 00:41 | <asymptote> CORRECT alkisg
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| 00:41 | gj
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| 00:42 | <asymptote> ok network configured, now let me check this dhcpd business
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| 00:42 | k looks like that's all set
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| 00:43 | well looks like I've done everything on the ubuntu docs
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| 00:43 | time to boot the thin client
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| 00:43 | HERE WE GO OFF TO THE RACES
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| 00:45 | bah
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| 00:45 | well pxe works
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| 00:46 | but didn't get an image to d/l
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| 00:46 | <alkisg> What do you get with ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images ?
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| 00:47 | (ah, wait, with image you mean the nbd image or the kernel? did it boot a kernel?)
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| 00:47 | <asymptote> amd64.img
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| 00:47 | it did not boot a kernel
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| 00:47 | <alkisg> What's the last lines that you see on the client boot screen?
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| 00:48 | <asymptote> rebooting it
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| 00:48 | can i just paste
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| 00:48 | or do i have to pastebin
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| 00:48 | it's like 4 lines
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| 00:48 | <alkisg> paste
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| 00:48 | <asymptote> actually I can't copy/paste
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| 00:48 | so I'll just type them
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| 00:49 | <alkisg> You can paste an image to imagebin.org
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| 00:49 | <asymptote> bah
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| 00:49 | ok
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| 00:52 | http://imagebin.org/95941
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| 00:52 | soirry I didn't reply sooner - playing full tilt poker as well
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| 00:53 | <alkisg> sudo status tftpd-hpa
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| 00:53 | <asymptote> k
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| 00:53 | tftpd-hpa start/running, process 1627
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| 00:54 | <alkisg> pastebin /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 00:55 | <asymptote> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/dJu9yD3y
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| 00:55 | btw thank you for your help w/ all this
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| 00:56 | <alkisg> You need to change the i386 there in amd64, since you built an amd64 chroot
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| 00:56 | <asymptote> k
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| 00:56 | <alkisg> (and also need to have amd64 clients)
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| 00:56 | <asymptote> I believe they are
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| 00:56 | I'll double check
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| 00:56 | <alkisg> Then, sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 00:59 | <asymptote> what's the difference between invoke-rc.d and using /etc/init.d/dhcpe-server restart
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| 01:00 | k it's loading now
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| 01:00 | kickass ty rofl this is awesome
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| 01:02 | well I'm off to a good start - I'll have to read all this wiki
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| 01:02 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 01:02 | <asymptote> I'm assuming you have to create accounts somewhere
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| 01:02 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 01:02 | <asymptote> so people can login
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| 01:03 | <alkisg> Be sure to read the LDM_DIRECTX there
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| 01:03 | <asymptote> I'll read it all
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| 01:03 | <alkisg> The accounts are created on the server
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| 01:03 | <asymptote> I'm reading the ubuntultsp wiki
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| 01:09 | <asymptote> alkisg: you don't happen to deal w/ winblows vpn's do you
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| 01:09 | <alkisg> asymptote: heh, just had to use one 5 days ago for the first time in my life
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| 01:10 | <asymptote> k cool
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| 01:10 | <alkisg> It's all there for lucid, you don't need to install anything, just configure the connection according to your vpn's settings
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| 01:10 | <asymptote> for some reason two users are vpn'ing from home, and then in the morning when they come into work they can't login
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| 01:10 | <alkisg> Ah, I don't know about that
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| 01:10 | <asymptote> it's cool
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| 01:23 | <elias_a> stgraber: Pity your paper did not pass the Akademy review process.
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| 01:23 | Asmo Koskinen wrote me bout it yesterday.
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| 01:24 | We will have a workshop next week and talk there about future moves.
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| 02:17 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:32 | <alkisg> cyberorg: I think we were talking together some months ago about logging out & rebooting, do you have the KDE commands handy? Could you please pastebin them for me?
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| 05:33 | <cyberorg> alkisg, sh -c 'xprop -root -f LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION 8s -set LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION REBOOT && gnome-session-save --logout; qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 0 0
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| 05:33 | <alkisg> cyberorg: thanks!
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| 07:36 | <bbd> Looking for some ideas. Got a small ~20 LTSP client setup running ofr years. Recently upgraded to latest ltsp, enabled pulseaudio, flash and problems started that client-server communication can reach up to constant 100mbit of network when opening some heavy flash or java script pages (flash games, darn facebook etc.). ldm_directx=true, gigabit server, clients each 100mbit. any ideas how to get around this?
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> "enabled pulseaudio"? which distro/version is that?
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| 07:41 | <sep> bbd, flash and java is often quite intense, only recomendations i can make is... don't enable flash | run browser and flash with local apps | use diskless workstations instead of thin clients
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| 07:41 | <bbd> server is running debian/squueze, client is build based on ubuntu/karmic
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| 07:42 | sep, well actually i have adblock and flashblock installed as default firefox plugins. But still opening some java script based page, let's say photo gallery with java script popup kill sthe lan..
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| 07:43 | i was wondering if encapsulating X11 inside of ssh could help (ldm_directx=false)
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> bbd, do you have flow control == off?
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| 07:43 | No, ldm_directx=false will be much slower. The only advantage there is "safer".
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| 07:44 | (btw, what's the reason to have a karmic chroot? newer kernel?)
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| 07:44 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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| 07:44 | <bbd> alkisg: previous setup was running with ldm_directx=false (as there were no such option lol) and patched to support via padlock on clients (via c7) so encryption was not slowing down
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| 07:50 | thanks for good hint about flow control, going to try it now. Btw, about karmic chroot - needless to say ubuntu got better support for ltsp, couldn't easily enable audio with squeeze, so tried to build ubuntu/lucid client, sound worked ok but xorg-7.5 was major cpu hog with via unichrome, rebuilt client with ubuntu/karmic which has xorg-7.4 and it was ok.
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| 07:56 | <reynolds> morning! Does any ne have a solution for a blank login screen? I upgraded to 10.4 and a couple of my clients are booting up with a blank blue screen with no place to log in.
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| 08:04 | <bbd> just found another weird thing - it's enough to MINIMIZE web browser with flash page open and clients starts rx'ing as fast as it can
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| 08:46 | <rjune> ogra, you about?
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| 08:48 | <thunsucker> Good Morning
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| 08:49 | I have an idea of what mind be causing my clients to randomly loose sound
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| 08:49 | this morning, a lab of 25 users all lost sound within a few minutes of each other
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| 08:49 | <rjune> congrats
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| 08:50 | that you have an idea, not that it happened.
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| 08:50 | <thunsucker> the ltsp server is down to only 66mb of free ram
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| 08:50 | that has got to be it
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| 08:50 | rjune: ty
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| 08:50 | <rjune> 66mb RAM + swap?
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| 08:51 | and how much of the RAM is cache?
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| 08:51 | paste the output of free -m
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| 08:51 | <thunsucker> 894 swap is free, cache says 1344 free
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| 08:52 | k just a sec
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| 08:53 | <thunsucker1> sorry got kicked
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| 08:53 | rjune: http://www.pastebin.org/206552
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| 08:53 | <rjune> for pasting too much?
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| 08:53 | <thunsucker1> rjune: no i'm taking a wild guess the internet here...we are on wireless and it's very windy today
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| 08:53 | <rjune> ah
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| 08:54 | at anyrate, your memory usage looks ok to me.
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| 08:54 | <thunsucker1> rjune: ok, maybe I need to read more about it
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| 08:55 | <rjune> you've got 1.3 G cache to reclaim
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| 08:55 | does dmesg show anything on the server about killing processes?
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| 08:55 | <thunsucker1> rjune: not that i see no
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| 08:55 | <rjune> it's been a while, but to confirm, there is still a sound server running on the Term server that redirects audio to the client, right guys?
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| 08:56 | Used to use esd and/or arts. I'm not sure what the audio transport is now
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| 08:56 | <thunsucker1> rjune: correct
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| 08:56 | <rjune> and those processes are running, right?
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| 08:56 | <thunsucker1> rjune: i'm using the rdesktop screen script
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| 08:57 | <thunsucker> rjune: so what happens is instead of loading up ldm with a gnome session, it goes directly to rdp
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| 08:58 | <rjune> ah
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| 08:58 | that still should use the same audio transport I think
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| 09:03 | <petre> greetings old friends
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| 09:05 | <petre> There is (or was) a company in the eastern US that was selling a computer with multiple video cards and USB ports, such that you could have three or four people actually using one computer. Anyone remember the name of the company?
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| 09:08 | <thunsucker> petre: not sure, but I know many vendors sell those kinds of systems
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| 09:13 | <petre> thunsucker, know of any websites? The place I'm thinking of had one.
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| 09:14 | <thunsucker> petre: just a moment i'll look
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| 09:18 | petre: wow I'm not having any luck searching
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| 09:18 | petre: wait i found something
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| 09:18 | petre: http://www.contek-office-tech.com/nComputing_X300_Virtual_Desktop.htm
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| 09:20 | <thunsucker> petre: did you get that link?
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| 09:23 | <petre> yes
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| 09:23 | looking now
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| 09:23 | <thunsucker> petre: lots of good point of views here, with a few jokes I'm sure
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| 09:23 | petre: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/021241
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| 09:25 | <johnny> when i see "call us for pricing" that means i don't bother
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| 09:26 | <thunsucker> johnny: I agree with that
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| 09:28 | <johnny> this isn't like an ad in the phone book..
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| 09:28 | so either they are dumb.. or they just wanna try to seriously upsell
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| 09:30 | <thunsucker> johnny: not to mention of the 5 or 6 systems that I've seen customers buy like that, they've never worked
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| 09:33 | <thunsucker1> is SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" still a valid option in lts.conf for ltsp 5.2 ?
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| 09:33 | <petre> I just wanted some sites to point a student at. He had asked if the ebox 2300 I have could support four or five users at once.
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| 09:36 | <thunsucker> that would be a no, looks like "This parameter sets which sound daemon to use on the thin client. Values are esd, nasd, and pulse"
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| 09:37 | <johnny> there is no rdp sound daemon that i've ever heard of..
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| 09:37 | not sure why nas is still there tho
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| 09:38 | <thunsucker> johnny: ty, saw several references for it but it seemed more like with 4.2 and they also said it kills sound. so maybe they going with the idea Sound_Daemon="killmyaudioplease"
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| 09:39 | <thunsucker> johnny: ahh found a post by Gadi back from 2006, we are correct it's a placeholder not an actual daemon
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| 09:39 | <johnny> ah probably means don't start a sound daemon at all.. just use oss
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> thunsucker: I think you should keep the default pulseaudio sound daemon running on 10.04 for rdesktop screen script
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| 09:41 | I have found on 10.04 that it likes going through pulseaudio
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| 09:42 | you should remove all sound related stuff in your lts.conf and simply use the -r sound:local flag in RDP_OPTIONS
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| 09:42 | (or on the "rdesktop .... " SCREEN_XX line)
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| 09:42 | <thunsucker> Gadi: interesting! thank you for the update. I swapped back to 9.10 for today to build my 10.04 install again from scratch
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| 09:43 | Gadi: will do!
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> if you *do* want to turn off the sound daemon, in 10.04 you can use: SOUND_DAEMON=False
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| 09:43 | <thunsucker> Gadi: ok I will try with it on and then with it off
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 10:58 | <knipwim> sbalneav: evening is just starting here ...
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| 10:59 | johnny: you wanted to speak earlier this week?
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| 10:59 | <johnny> knipwim, somebody had some problem.. i can't recall now
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| 10:59 | <knipwim> :)
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| 11:15 | <rjune> Gadi!
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| 11:15 | !g
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| 11:15 | <ltspbot> rjune: "g" :: Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:55 | <thunsucker> Gadi: I have some good news, one thing I did last night was revert back to a snapshot of my 9.10 install, before I did any audio changes and upgraded alsa again. last time I made a mistake and went from 1.0.20 to 1.0.21 and then to 10.0.23. this time I went directly from 1.0.20 to 1.0.23 and so far the audio hasn't died. I'm still waiting on my lucid vm to finish installing though, I can't wait to try the things you suggested
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> Gadi: hrm. ltsp-update-sshkeys assumes default sshd port...
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| 12:24 | <johnny> yeah.. i saw that
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| 12:24 | that's weird
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| 12:24 | why does it care about any port?
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> it now uses ssh-keyscan to get the keys of remote servers
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> vagrantc: our reverting should fix that for the local serrver
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: for the local server...
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> now, we just need to consider the remote ones
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| 12:25 | it should be a flag
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| 12:25 | easy enough
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> just add a flag for remote servers
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| 12:25 | or specify host:port
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> yup
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> Gadi: does it cache the remote server keys somehow?
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> yup
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| 12:27 | using the usual mechanism
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| 12:27 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 12:28 | <cliebow> Dad!!
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so when you run it without arguments, it uses the old entries?
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> yup
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| 12:30 | they are in /etc/ltsp/ssh_known_hosts.auto
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| 12:30 | (the remote ones, that is)
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 12:31 | so if you specify a different set of servers on a subsequent run, it'll ditch the old oneS?
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:32 | if you want to keep those, you can rename the file
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> fair enough
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| 12:33 | <johnny> oh.. remote servers..
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> well, the version that's in lucid still uses that mechanism for the local server...
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| 12:34 | it has enough issues that i'd think it should probably be updated in an SRU
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> I suppose I could generate individual files like ssh_known_hosts.1.2.3.4
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| 12:34 | what do you think is best?
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| 12:34 | if I did that, the admin must do his own cleaning
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i think the .auto approach is fine.
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| 12:35 | though there's definitely potential for confusion
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| 12:35 | so it should probably be documented
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| 12:38 | <thunsucker> Gadi: darn my audio issues have returned
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| 12:39 | Gadi: seems to be on a much smaller scale. the 2 users it's happened to so far, were logged in for almost 40 minutes playing an "educational flash game" and had no issues until sound randomly died
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| 12:39 | Gadi: but I simply logged out of TS (restarted the rdeskop screen script basically) and it worked again
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> thunsucker: 9.10?
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| 12:41 | <thunsucker> Gadi: yes, unfortenly. The client is still building for 10.04
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| 12:42 | <thunsucker> Gadi: will try 10.04 out after lunch break....
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| 12:46 | * Lns waves to fellow ltspers | |
| 12:50 | * vagrantc responds in kind | |
| 12:58 | * Gadi committed a -p flag for ltsp-update-sshkeys | |
| 12:59 | <Gadi> since we don't support multiple app servers with different ports atm anyway in ldm, I don't see the need yet to allow ip:port
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| 12:59 | tho, I suppose if you twist my arm, I could add the two more lines of code
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| 12:59 | ok...
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| 13:01 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i am versed in a wide variety off arm-twisting techniques... which would you prefer?
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| 13:06 | well, really, it's just variations on about 5 techniques
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> ow! ow!
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| 13:08 | ok ok - I committed it
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| 13:08 | let go!
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> just in case we do get an ldm to support different ports... this would avoid the need to update ltsp at the same time
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| 13:09 | <johnny> /me reminds himself not to piss of vagrantc
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| 13:10 | off*
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> well, aikido is also an art of compassion
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| 13:10 | <johnny> but even the compassionate can become pissed off
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> not like jiu-jitsu, the art of bad-ass machismo
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> or wait, jiu-jitsu is the gentle way... HAH
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| 13:53 | <abeehc> lns!
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| 13:53 | where you the one i saw talkinabout kvm
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| 13:53 | <Lns> hi abeehc
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| 13:54 | i've been fiddling with it the past couple of days, yes
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| 13:54 | <abeehc> same i've been running it in prod for a couple months now
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| 13:54 | are you using libvirsh
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| 13:55 | <Lns> libvirt? yeah...well i haven't really gotten anything solid running yet
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| 13:55 | ive been battling trying to convert a win2k vmware image to qcow2
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| 13:55 | <abeehc> ow i see
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| 13:56 | well i do know some gotchas if you run into anything; but i've not tried a windows guest
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| 13:56 | that would kinda hurt inside
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| 13:56 | <Lns> abeehc: thank you! I've kinda taken a break from it, closed all my xterms and now i forgot where i left off =p
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| 14:02 | <thunsucker> Gadi: Success! 10.04 audio is now working
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| 14:22 | <puck1> I am having some random terminals just freeze for a min or so. I can't pin it down to any server utilization problems. Anyone know how I should start to diagnose the problem?
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> nfs?
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| 14:23 | dns timeouts?
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| 14:24 | <johnny> high network congestion? .. bad switch?
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| 14:24 | bad cabling?
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| 14:25 | <puck1> I have checked the nfs server which houses all the home drives but it doesn't seem to busy. Also I have checked the servers for retransmits to the nfs server but can't pin the problem there. I have about 100 TCs pointed to 5 servers. I do have all the machines on one segment. Is this possibly a problem?
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| 14:28 | <johnny> look at your switch?
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| 14:28 | <johnny> is it always blinking a congestion light?
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| 14:28 | <tstafford> maybe this: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36260.html
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> puck1: I don't have much experience with nfs, but I did have 1 min timeouts due to nfs locks (statd)
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| 14:32 | <puck1> I really don't have much experience trying to find a problem like this. How can I best look at the NFS stats to determine if there is a problem there. I have looked at the nfs-kernel-server default config file and bumped up the daemons to 72 from 8 and now I have have no retransmits from the other servers. What else do I look at?
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| 14:34 | <puck1> The main switch is very busy. I don't really know how to quantify 'busy'
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| 14:55 | <Lns> puck1: are your app servers also nfs?
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| 15:38 | <markit> hi, is it possible having composite effects in the thin clients? I don't have in any of mine, but don't know if is a video board limitation or just is inpossible to obtain
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> It's possible. Usually on intel clients.
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| 15:43 | <Lns> you know what's funny? In Ubuntu, when compiz was enabled and you boot a thin client, the display was upside down and backwards. But not how you'd think, it was the font/wordage itself, ...it was so weird. I felt dyslexic
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| 15:44 | i'm pretty sure it was a known issue but it was almost amusing to see it like that. It was like the thin client had a crazy compiz virus. =p
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| 15:51 | <markit> alkisg: mmm does composition require 3d acceleration?
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| 15:51 | I'm very confused about this issue
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| 15:52 | I've a ati radeon HD 2400 PRO that works fine in this workstation and the mobility version of the same board on my laptop
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| 15:53 | but apart of these fortunate cases, I've found no other pc where works
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| 15:53 | but 2d acceleration sould be very common with Free drivers, 3d is the problem
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> Lns: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
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| 15:56 | markit: no idea, my clients are too ancient to support composition
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| 15:57 | <johnny> no.. you don't need 3d
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| 15:57 | but.. you would probably need to use metacity compositing over compiz
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| 16:03 | <markit> johnny: I've KDE, so is kwin that does the trick directly
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| 16:06 | <prolog> hello all!
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| 16:07 | this afternoon I watched a plaestra Jim McQuilan LTSP on good content!
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| 16:08 | <Lns> alkisg: ty =) and thx for that bottom gconf comment!
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 16:09 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> :)
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| 16:09 | <Lns> =p
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| 17:03 | <sidartha> can anyone help me figure out why my local apps are not working in ubuntu 10.4?
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> sidartha: start off by explaining what you've tried
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| 17:07 | <sidartha> I had everything set up in 9.04, then rebuilt my chroot after doing a os upgrade. my lts.conf stayed the same. I reinstalled programs into the chroot. But menu items properties are not reflecting localapps.
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| 17:51 | <markit> I'd like, just as an experiment, to change the video resolution to 640x480. IS enough put "X_MODE_0=640X480" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and reboot the client? Kubuntu 10.04
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| 17:51 | (if so, seems not to work...)
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