IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<mr_clark>
Still pretty buggy. I'm going to go back to K12LTSP for my LUG presentation.
00:02
So does LTSP by default encrypt all the communications?
00:13
<alkisg>
mr_clark, yes, unless you specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf
00:13
<Ryan52>
ya, it all goes over ssh.
00:17
<kwak>
sbalneav: i'm using Dlink switch with 2Gb ports
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00:20
<kwak>
if it;s the switch, why is it that it worked with K12linux (fedora 9)
00:20
puzzled. always happens to me.
00:27
<mr_clark>
Wow. I can't believe how much easier LTSP has gotten in the last few years. Thank you to the developers!
00:31
I gotta get to bed. G'night.
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00:50
<alkisg>
With the default lts.conf (=empty, just comments), getltscfg "anything" returns "Syntax error" instead of empty. I don't see any problems at all, but maybe an empty lts.conf should be parsed ok;
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01:59
<TheBS>
Okay, messing with RHEL 5 client here
01:59
(I know, not supported)
02:00
LDM "respawns" on login
02:00
The /var/log/ldm.log only lists ...
02:01
"Attempting ssh session as tcuser02
02:01
In set_message
02:01
ssh_chat: looking for ssword: from ssh
02:01
LDM2 starting"
02:01
Fedora 9 chroot works, so it's clearly something with my RHEL 5 client
02:01
Is there further debugging/info I can enable for LDM?
02:02
BTW, I've tried both DIRECTX = yes and no in my ltsp.conf
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04:49
<highvoltage>
howdy. I want to try local apps in intrepid. is there a page with instructions somewhere?
04:50
I understand I just need to install my software in the chroot, put "LOCAL_APPS = Y
04:50
" in lts.conf, and make a .desktop file for the app?
04:50
how must the launcher in the .desktop file be like?
05:36
<ogra>
you need to set an xprop
05:40
<cyberorg>
ogra, hi, saw this? http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad
05:40
<ogra>
the ltsp-localapps script needs to go from the server examples dir to /usr/bin ...
05:41
cyberorg, heh, rdesktop server for linux ?
05:42
that might get everyone not being suse into massive patent trouble with MS
05:43
<cyberorg>
using DMX and RDP?
05:43
<ogra>
well, RDP on the server side is patented
05:46
<cyberorg>
oh well, may be that is why nomad was developed in "secrecy"
05:46
<highvoltage>
ogra: to /usr/bin on the server?
05:46
<ogra>
highvoltage, yes
05:46
<cyberorg>
i was just wondering about how to use it with ltsp
05:46
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, just do whats described
05:47
i know compiz works natively in ubuntu 8.10 anyway
05:47
so i dont think its needed to have dmx specifically
05:47
<highvoltage>
ogra: ah, then I just run ltsp-localapps xeyes on the client?
05:47
<cyberorg>
i am not sure what advantages it brings either
05:48
<ogra>
highvoltage, i dont know the exact runes (havent tried it myself) but yu need to call your app in the desktop file with the script as prefix or some such
05:48
<cyberorg>
local device support does not exist yet
05:48
<highvoltage>
ogra: ok, thanks
05:48
<ogra>
highvoltage, wait for stgraber to wake up ... he even made a ekiga call to me yesterday from a thin client (running ekiga as localapp)
05:49
<highvoltage>
ogra: ooh, nice!
05:49
<ogra>
(and told me he has (beyond compiz effects) even suspend to rm on his clients working properly)
05:49
*ram
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06:10
<highvoltage>
ogra: that's quite impressive
06:10
<ogra>
works ?
06:11
<highvoltage>
ogra: I'm going to try it tomorrow. I'm going to test it tomorrow, I'm at a client atm and the thin client we wanted to test on doesn't power on
06:11
<ogra>
bah
06:11
<highvoltage>
ogra: I was talking about the suspend to ram on thin clients, that's quite cool
06:12
at least it's the client's hardware so it's not my fault :)
06:12
<ogra>
needs some manual changes
06:12
you need to allow it in /etc/sudoers on teh client afaik
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07:02
<stgraber>
highvoltage: hi, I'll likely be stuck in meetings for some hours, then preparing LTSP BTS, but please ask any question you have and I'll try to answer when I have a second :)
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07:03
<Appiah>
ogra: is the ltsp-localapps script example only in intrepid ?
07:04
<devilbues>
Hi can anybody tell me if intrepid uses X_CONF parameter? It doesn't seem to do anything now
07:05
<nubae>
devilbues: u need to set CONFIGURE_X = True
07:05
<devilbues>
nubae: is there any web page with that info?
07:06
<nubae>
devilbues: u can blame me, Its in the documentation, but I havent uploaded it yet :-/
07:06
<devilbues>
nubae: no problem :)
07:06
testing...
07:09
nubae: i have this
07:09
CONFIGURE_X = True
07:09
X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorgtouch.conf
07:09
and it doesn't work
07:09
<nubae>
that should work just fine
07:09
did u update the image?
07:10
<devilbues>
no, do I have to, when I change lts.conf?
07:10
<nubae>
sure, /etc/X11/xorgtouch.conf is in the chroot
07:10
the variable is defined outside, but the script is inside
07:10
<devilbues>
ahhh, ok
07:12
<ogra>
Appiah, yes
07:12
<Appiah>
oh
07:12
Then I have to update :D
07:22
<nubae>
I just pushed ltsp-docs
07:22
should be upto date now
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07:22
<Appiah>
huh?
07:22
<nubae>
in terms of variables in LDM, unless something new was done since then
07:23
Appiah: ltsp documentation
07:23
<Appiah>
everything in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-* ?
07:24
<nubae>
just the manual
07:24
<Appiah>
k
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07:47
<Appiah>
\o/
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08:04
<Blinny>
Does setting a System-wide proxy in System->Preferences->Network Proxy apply the setting to all users? I'm guessing not as it didn't ask me for sudo PW
08:05
<ogra>
if you click the "Apply Systemwide" button it does :)
08:06
<Blinny>
woah
08:06
Is that an Intrepid thing?
08:06
My eyes aren't grepping properly to find that button
08:06
<ogra>
isnt in hardy ?
08:07
should be bottom left in the window
08:08
<Blinny>
http://peopleplaces.org/Screenshot.png
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08:08
<Blinny>
Advanced just has an ignore host list
08:08
<ogra>
ah, yeah, that ooks different
08:08
<Blinny>
Oop!
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08:09
<ogra>
so you need to set http_proxy somewhere
08:09
/etc/profile i'd guess
08:10
<Blinny>
OK. Thanks ogra
08:12
Maybe /etc/environment
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08:17
<nubae>
intrepid is cool
08:18
so polished
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08:18
<nubae>
intrepid should have been the LTS
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08:22
<Blinny>
I've read great things about printing support & the add printer interfaces. For my money, printing is the biggest pain in the ass when it comes to All Things Computing.
08:23
<Appiah>
I've been helpdesking at different places , the printing cases always feels like the worst
08:24
<nubae>
well its pretty much automatic now, no need to add anything
08:24
<Appiah>
server-side I dont think there is much pain
08:26
<Blinny>
Life is (usually) much easier with really expensive laser printers
08:26
Odd. I have a user who cannot chdir to his /home/$user (permission denied) even though it's owned by him.
08:26
<Appiah>
the ones you buy on-site support on so you dont have to touch em? :P
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08:27
<Blinny>
heh
08:27
No the ones who act right in the first place!
08:28
<Appiah>
Blinny: did you use $user or $USER ?
08:28
<Blinny>
I'm just replacing the username with l33tsp3ak
08:28
<Appiah>
oh
08:28
<Blinny>
(;
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08:32
<Blinny>
all the kidz are doin it - just trying to fitz inz
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08:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
?
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08:40
<Blinny>
Could not chdir to home directory /home/richard.doyle: Permission denied -- and, check this out: drwx------ 22 richard.doyle richard.doyle 4096 2008-08-20 10:20 richard.doyle
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08:42
<Gad1>
Blinny: whoami
08:43
<Blinny>
richard.doyle - and 'id' prints out: uid=1001(richard.doyle) gid=1001(richard.doyle) groups=24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),126(sambashare),1001(richard.doyle)
08:44* Gad1 thinks it may be the period
08:44
<ogra>
yeah
08:44
<Gad1>
period is a nasty char to have in a username
08:44
<Blinny>
that's my schema - works for many others though!
08:44* ogra would suspect that as well
08:45
<ogra>
Gad1, congrats to the nice election :)
08:45
<Gad1>
you say that like I organized it
08:45
:)
08:45
<ogra>
you participated in it :)
08:46
<Gad1>
well, personally, Im just happy its over
08:46
;)
08:46
<nubae>
yeah funny to see it was all the central states that voted for the idiot
08:47
<Blinny>
:s;central states;idiots
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08:47
<jammcq>
Gooooood morning #ltsp
08:47
<Gad1>
nubae: everythings relateive
08:47
*relative
08:47
<jammcq>
sure it is
08:47
<Gad1>
:)
08:48
just ask jammcq
08:48
he's everybody's relative
08:48
<jammcq>
it's all based on Einsteins fear of relatives
08:48
<Appiah>
haha
08:48
<Blinny>
I think I blame NFS
08:49
<Gad1>
NFS voted for idiots?
08:50* Gad1 didnt think we let filesystems vote
08:50
<Gad1>
man, whats next...
08:50
<nubae>
the kernel
08:50
<Gad1>
well, he's military ;)
08:50
<nubae>
he'll start voting for some other BDFL
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08:52
<Blinny>
NFS doesn't block local access to a filesystem when it's mounted from a remote location does it? It can't.
08:52
<pscheie>
jammcq, do you & sbalneav start driving east today?
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08:53
<pscheie>
Blinny, depends on the mountpoint
08:53
<jammcq>
pscheie: yes, I'm scheduled to pick scotty up at the airport at 5:06 this evening
08:53
<pscheie>
if you mount an NFS share under /, you'll likely have trouble
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08:58
<Blinny>
pscheie: No, not mounting / ! I have two sites. Each has a /home for local users and a /remote that autofs/NFS mounts the opposite site's /home/username
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09:07
<highvoltage>
stgraber: thanks! I'll do so
09:10
<jammcq>
highvoltage: hey
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09:19
<Blinny>
AH!
09:19
rsync had sent /home 700
09:19* Blinny tackles the wild goose
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09:27
<Blinny>
Gad1: Any reason why I couldn't copy the CheckUser script to another server? All I have to set is the LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION variable in lts.conf correct?
09:30
<Gad1>
right
09:31
<Blinny>
Great - Thank you.
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09:41
<brendan0powers>
are whiteboards still needed for BTS?
09:42
<Gadi>
brendan0powers: can never have too many whiteboards
09:43
<brendan0powers>
i think we have one of those paper pad easel things too
09:43
<Gadi>
I refuse to play Pictionary
09:43
<brendan0powers>
aw:(
09:43
<Gadi>
well, sober
09:44
<brendan0powers>
also, what time do things usually get going on thursday morning?
09:45
<Gadi>
thusday *evening* people will just be rolling in
09:45
<brendan0powers>
oh right
09:45
friday morning...
09:45
<Gadi>
depends how much fun thursday night is
09:45
:)
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<brendan0powers>
ah
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09:51
<jimcooncat>
setting up small network that will support ltsp and other netboot features -- trying to keep dhcp/dns simple. Perhaps I should switch to dnsmasq for everything? your thoughts?
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09:54
<pscheie>
jimcooncat, warren has talked about doing that for k12linux, but it's not being used there yet
09:54
I don't think it is, anyway
09:55* vagrantc has been a big fan of dnsmasq for ages
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09:56
<johnny>
yeah.. i use dnsmasq exclusively
09:56
<jimcooncat>
The first test I set up I got confused about where the dhcp config was stored, took me quite a bit of googleing to find out. I don't want to make things tough if someone has to come in to work on this
09:56
<johnny>
altho there was a bug that affected hardy in which it did not serve lts.conf via tftp
09:56
it was fixed in versions that came out later
09:57
<vagrantc>
johnny: which part got fixed?
09:57
<johnny>
the netascii
09:57
<vagrantc>
johnny: which package was changed?
09:57
<johnny>
dnsmasq?
09:57
<jimcooncat>
johnny: I'm installing hardy, this is fixed?
09:57
<johnny>
jimcooncat, i don't know if it ever got fixed in hardy
09:57
<vagrantc>
johnny: so it wasn't a workaround in the ltsp-side stuff?
09:57
<johnny>
you might need to get the newest one..
09:58
no
09:58
it was a bug in dnsmasq
09:58
i guess..
09:58
look at the changelog on the dnsmasq site, and search for netascii jimcooncat
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09:59
<johnny>
jimcooncat, the workaround is simple tho, just keep it in the chroot /etc/lts.conf, it means that you need to update the chroot whenever you change it.. but it's not very serious
09:59
<jimcooncat>
thanks johnny. You're happy using dnsmasq rather than dhcp3 and bind? (I'm assuming that's the normal setup)
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09:59
<johnny>
yes, been using it for over a year
10:00
but as i mentioned, my lts.conf is in chroot /etc/lts.conf
10:00
until i upgrade to intrepid
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10:00
<jimcooncat>
k I'll keep that in mind
10:01
<johnny>
if a newer version got released for hardy..i maybe didn't notice
10:01
you can search dnsmasq changelog to see if the version in hardy matches the version that netascii issue was fixed
10:01
if you want to keep your lts.conf in the tftp ltsp/i386
10:02
<vagrantc>
i don't think it was fixed in 0.45
10:03
<johnny>
2.45 you mean?
10:03
<alkisg>
It was fixed in 0.42, I reported it
10:04
<johnny>
what is this 0.42?
10:04
don't you mean 2.42 ?
10:04
it's at 2.x not 0.x
10:04
<alkisg>
http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2008q2/002063.html
10:04
Yeap, sorry, 2.42
10:04
<jimcooncat>
hardy-updates has 2.41, intrepid is 2.45
10:05
<alkisg>
But it's easy to work around it if someone has an older version
10:05
jimcooncat, you may change a line in ltsp_nbd that works around it, want me to look for it?
10:06
<jimcooncat>
alkisg: nah, I'll see if I can backport intrepid's version thanks anyway
10:07
<alkisg>
found it anyway :) :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/238010
10:10
<jimcooncat>
thanks alkisg! Wish they would fix stuff like this when they find it.
10:10
<alkisg>
jimcooncat, he did (the dnsmasq developer), he released the new fixed version some days afterwards
10:11
and in ltsp_nbd it's not really a bug, it was dnsmasq and virtualbox that were broken
10:11
<jimcooncat>
alkisg: I meant the distro maintaners; far as I can see the dnsmasq dev is on top of stuff
10:12
<alkisg>
Well you know how distros are, hard to accept new package versions in the same distro version, even in SRUs...
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<alkisg>
btw, virtualbox is still broken... Someone has to report this! :) (I'm bored, I just use workarounds)
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10:15
<dtrask>
jammcq: Is your cell phone number still the same?
10:15
<jimcooncat>
I'm using virtualbox on gutsy, am not overly impressed. I'm going to mess with kvm and see how that works
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10:25
<babyhuey>
anyone know of anyway i can get my ltsp client to boot up faster? it currently takes ~5 minutes to boot
10:28
<johnny>
need more info than that to help
10:28
like client specs, which version of ltsp, whether you're using LDM_DIRECTX, etc
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10:29
<babyhuey>
ltsp5 client is a jammin 125
10:29
dont think directx is enabled, i never set it
10:29
but x booting isnt where its slow, although it is a bit choppy
10:29
but i can worry about that later
10:29
it take 4 minutes to even get to x loading
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10:30
<johnny>
i don't know what a jammin 125 is
10:30
specs..
10:31
<babyhuey>
300 MHz NS GX-1 Processor
10:31
8MB Disk-On-Chip
10:31
. 64MB SDRAM
10:32
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/jam125.html < link to it
10:34
<johnny>
hmm.. it doesn't say which ltsp version it works well with
10:34
<jammcq>
that unit worked great with ltsp-4.2
10:34
not so great with ltsp-5
10:34
<babyhuey>
crap, so i have to downgrade?
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10:35
<highvoltage>
hey jammcq. I barely missed you earlier
10:35
<babyhuey>
dammit, ive spent so much time getting this working the way i wanted
10:35
<jammcq>
hey highvoltage how's that new company going?
10:35
congrats btw
10:35
<highvoltage>
jammcq: good, and thanks!
10:35
<johnny>
babyhuey, that's kinda light for ltsp5..
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10:36
<highvoltage>
jammcq: about 90% of my current new work is ltsp related, so it's fun using it again
10:36
<jammcq>
wow
10:36
<johnny>
500mhz proc and 128mb ram seems minimum..
10:36
<jammcq>
that's excellent
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<jammcq>
babyhuey: I think people have made them work with LTSP-5, but they are slow
10:36
<babyhuey>
anyone know which ubuntu distro has 4.2 then?
10:36
<jammcq>
i think the cpu is only 200 or 300mhz and the memory is either 32mb or 64mb
10:36
and the graphics chip is one of the worst
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10:37
<jammcq>
other than that, they're great
10:37
<babyhuey>
is there an easy way to downgrade without reinstalling the OS?
10:37
<johnny>
babyhuey, not a single one that is supported
10:37
<babyhuey>
i dont care if its suported, i just need these clients to work
10:37
<alkisg>
babyhuey, which ubuntu version are you using?
10:38
<babyhuey>
8.10
10:38
<alkisg>
Is the chroot updated or did you do the installation while on beta?
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10:38
<babyhuey>
its the actual release, i just installed it like 2 days ago
10:38
so its all updated
10:38
<alkisg>
OK, never mind me then
10:40
<ogra>
there is no driver for NX in ubuntu 8.10 anymore
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10:40
<ogra>
Xorg dropped all support for it
10:40
<jammcq>
wow
10:41
<ogra>
only LX and GX are supported and according to the Xorg devs there wont be any backwards compatibility
10:41
<jammcq>
the J125 is an GX2 I think
10:41
<ogra>
oh, right i misread
10:41
300 MHz NS GX-1 Processor
10:42* ogra mistook the NS
10:42
<ogra>
anyway, i have a bunch of 300MHz 64M clients that all work and boot in less than 5min ... but they are usual pentiums
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<babyhuey>
how would you suggest i get ltsp 4.2? just download the file and install ifrom source?
10:43
<ogra>
its is specific to the AMD CPU ... and seems to be same prob as with the SiS in the ebox 1000
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<alkisg>
Nubae, how's this for a first shot? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
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12:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
working with ltsp_localapps on a Fedora server...
12:01
I have added local_apps = Y to the lts.conf
12:01
and when trying to run something like xterm, there appears to be no response
12:01
is there any other changes I need to make to get this running?
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<johnny>
run something like xterm how?
12:02
plus it's LOCAL_APPS
12:02
not local_apps
12:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
my mistake, I actually have it as "LOCAL_APPS = Y" entered in lts.conf
12:03
per following the ltsp twiki
12:04
but I am trying to run xterm as a test as follows: "ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/xterm" in a terminal window on the client
12:04
<johnny>
and ltsp-localappsd is running on the client ?
12:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
no response, and switching to SCREEN_02 and running ps -wx shows no activity
12:05
<johnny>
or does it even try to run?
12:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct. here's the line in ps -wx: "1958 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/ltsp-localappssd"
12:06
<johnny>
too many s ?
12:06
weird
12:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
12:06
no, I mis-typed that
12:06
<johnny>
i've yet to try it
12:06
am doing it soon
12:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm. ok, well at least it does appear that it should be working
12:07
<johnny>
maybe strace it?
12:07
install strace in the client and see what happens
12:07
not that i can tell you what it should like.. since as i mentioned, i have yet to try it..
12:07
should look like8
12:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I'll give that a shot
12:07
Holy crap! Michael Crichton died!
12:12
ls
12:13
whoops
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12:32* vagrantc ponders http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/revision/19
12:32* vagrantc probably shouldn't nit-pick
12:33
<nubae>
vagrantc: yeah I know some were already in there
12:34
<vagrantc>
nubae: the content for the added ones also is clearly cut-and-pasted from something else unrelated
12:35
<nubae>
huh?
12:35
<vagrantc>
look at the text added for LDM_USERNAME ...
12:36
"This is the server that is used for the XDM_SERVER, TELNET_HOST," ...
12:36
identical text for LDM_PASSWORD
12:36
<nubae>
then something is wrong
12:37
<vagrantc>
no mention of the k12ltsp -> k12linux switch, either
12:37
<nubae>
did I push the wrong stuff...
12:37
<vagrantc>
looks like LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT is correct
12:38
<ogra>
:)
12:38
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-November/004967.html
12:39
time to get lenny out :)
12:39
<vagrantc>
:)
12:39
no doubt.
12:39
it's ~50 bugs left
12:39
<ogra>
yeah, i just looked at the list from the mail
12:39
<vagrantc>
although, i'm hoping ltspfs makes it in
12:39
<ogra>
i'll try to take a look in case i'm around on sun.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
grrr
13:13
ltsp-localapps is giving me some issues in fedora 9
13:13
ltsp-localappsd is running on the client according to a ps -wx in screen 02
13:14
yet running gives me no response
13:14
just trying to test this out with xterm as follows: ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/xterm
13:14
no dice
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<alkisg>
Lns, hi, wanna have a look? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
13:19
<Lns>
alkisg: in #ubuntu-meeting right now, i'll take a look in a bit ;) Thanks!
13:19
<alkisg>
k.
13:26
<cliebow>
jammcq:raganr planning to come??
13:27
<jammcq>
cliebow: you betcha. I just talked to him on the phone about 15 minutes ago
13:27
he'll be arriving sometime thursday evening
13:28
<cliebow>
cool! should i add himt to the wiki?
13:28
<jammcq>
oh yeah, if you would, that'd be great
13:28
also Ron and his son Alex are coming
13:28
<cliebow>
k.ill do my best with colcernian
13:28
<jammcq>
thank you
13:29
<cliebow>
;-]
13:29
<jammcq>
i'm leaving in about 20 minutes to go pick scotty up from the airport
13:29
<cliebow>
great!!
13:36
pscheie:you have transport form Bangor figgered out/
13:36
<pscheie>
yep, fgiraldeau & stgraber are picking me up at the airport on their
13:36
their way
13:37
they'll be driving by right about the time I land
13:37
<cliebow>
great..see you there then..
13:37
<pscheie>
hopefully they'll stop so I don't have to jump directly from the plane onto their car ;-)
13:37
<cliebow>
weehee!
13:38
<pscheie>
Indiana Jones does it, why can't I?
13:38
What do you mean 'movies aren't real life'?
13:38
<cliebow>
cause he can hit the rewind button if he misses
13:39
jammcq: i cooked 10 lobsters last night with the flamethtrower..without damaging the pot !!
13:39
<pscheie>
how about the house?
13:39
<cliebow>
i had concrete blocks.
13:39
<jammcq>
cliebow: good job. You've come a long way in 6 or 7 years
13:40
<cliebow>
give me that long i might learn something
13:40* pscheie envisions cliebow triumphantly holding up his unscathed pot of lobsters as the cinders collapse around him
13:40
<cliebow>
this thing sounds like a jet when you light her off..
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15:31
<Lns>
alkisg: Wow, great wiki doc on IPs!! Thanks a bunch. I don't see anything needing editing. It looks great.
15:32
<alkisg>
Lns, you think I should continue with "how to do trunking" ?
15:33
<Lns>
alkisg: trunking?
15:33
<alkisg>
Yeah, say, if you have 3 NICs on the server, you may get 200% more bandwidth
15:33
But connecting all the NICs to the same switch
15:33
<Lns>
alkisg: if you have the technical know-how to do a writeup, go for it!
15:34
Although you might want to talk to the ones who handle ltsp-cluster, I don't know if any trunking concepts step on their project
15:34
<alkisg>
Lns, ok, tommorow I do benchmarks, and sometime later I'll write it (and tell you to check it)! Thanks!
15:34
Lns, it's just settings, no new software involved
15:34
<Lns>
alkisg: thank you, for the wiki page. Keep up the good work. I'm linking the IP entry on the main page.
15:34
<nubae>
Lns: I think trunking is different from ltsp-cluster
15:35
<Lns>
nubae: I know it's different but maybe they'll have some insight
15:35
<nubae>
I say go for writing that up
15:35
<alkisg>
Nubae, ok, will do. I'm just worried about my English, but if Lns says it's acceptable, I'll go for it! :)
15:36
<Lns>
alkisg: I see nothing wrong with your english. Very well structured.
15:37
<alkisg>
Thanks... you know it's difficult, cause we read english all day on the net, but never write or speak it
15:37
<Gadi>
in america, we learn english from TV, too
15:37
:)
15:37* ogra wonders if alkisg planned to do spoken howtos
15:37
<Lns>
alkisg: I think that might be an advantage - you have little exposure to mannerisms/slang that way, so you know the more "proper" english ;)
15:38
<alkisg>
Heh... That's how I got the proficiency in english, by watching "Friends"... :P
15:38
<Lns>
heh... please don't mention that show. My wife has the entire DVD collection of Friends, and every few months she watches them from beginning to end.
15:39
I want to jump off a cliff when she watches that show
15:39
<alkisg>
Duh... it must need a month to watch all that
15:39
*she
15:39
<Lns>
alkisg: yes, it takes about 3-4 weeks to go through them all
15:39
<jimcooncat>
ogra: are you talking about nomachine/freenx?
15:39
<ogra>
no ?
15:39
<jimcooncat>
oops that was a while ago in the thread
15:40
<ogra>
:)
15:40
<Lns>
Gadi: yeah - TV english aint no thang but a chicken wang, yo fo sho
15:40
<ogra>
thong ?
15:40
<alkisg>
OK, I got nothing :)
15:41
<Lns>
lol
15:41* ogra cant really imagine things made of chickenwings ...
15:41
<ogra>
err
15:41* Lns called Comcast a month ago to disconnect his cable TV, which was supposed to be disconnected a year ago..and they still havent' done it
15:41
<ogra>
thongs
15:41
<Gadi>
ogra: what system files are gnome file associations in?
15:41
<nubae>
things made of chicken wings = chicken
15:41
:-)
15:42
<Lns>
lol nubae
15:42
<Gadi>
not to derail the talk of chicken thongs
15:42
<ogra>
Gadi, /etc/mime.types ?
15:42
<Gadi>
that declares the types
15:43
but not the apps
15:43
afaict
15:43
<ogra>
ah, that was in gconf once
15:43
not sure it still is
15:44
ah, no its in the .desktop files
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<Gadi>
hmm
15:45
<ogra>
MimeType=
15:45
<Gadi>
but how would I make a system-wide file-association change?
15:45
for default app
15:45
used
15:45
<ogra>
change the .desktop ?
15:46
<alkisg>
/usr/share/applications/defaults.list ?
15:46
<ogra>
ah, alkisg has it
15:47
<Gadi>
hmm
15:47
getting warmer
15:47
there must be another defaults.list overriding this one
15:47
<ogra>
use based i bet
15:47
in ~/.local or ~/.config
15:48
.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
15:48
<Gadi>
very strange
15:48
<alkisg>
I think I saw openoffice declarations by extension somewhere, like .odt => open with something, looking....
15:48
<Gadi>
its not any of them
15:48
<ogra>
and .local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
15:48
<alkisg>
(and other apps there)
15:48
<Gadi>
f-spot is currently default for .psd
15:49
<ogra>
fun
15:49
<Gadi>
but all defaults.list files have gimp as default
15:49
which I prefer
15:49
eh, I'll just uninstall f-spot
15:49
easier
15:49
<ogra>
and .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list doesnt have it either ?
15:49
<Gadi>
just thought Id be clever
15:49
<ogra>
or .local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
15:49
<Gadi>
nope
15:49
<ogra>
just dont use .psd
15:50
.xcf is the future anyway
15:50
<Gadi>
always with the developer advice
15:50
;)
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<laprag>
Gadi: ping
15:51
<Gadi>
crap
15:51
now its image viewer
15:51
laprag: hey
15:51
sorry - file association hell
15:52
<laprag>
hey Gadi, thanks for the offer of a lift, but it seems you can just pass Boston by at full speed.
15:53
<Gadi>
oh, cmon I know ur athletic...
15:53
but you couldnt possibly...
15:53
<laprag>
anything is possible for a viking
15:54
<Gadi>
well, it is a rental car
15:54
<alkisg>
Gadi, also have a look at cat /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache | grep psd
15:54
<Gadi>
alkisg: u rock
15:55
that did it
15:55
<alkisg>
I hope it's not reconstructed from somewhere... :)
15:55
<Gadi>
prolly
15:55
:)
15:55
stupid cache
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<monteslu>
warren_, any ideas what could be taking so long on login?
15:56
<laprag>
Gadi: see you in Maine then :)
15:57
bunk beckons
15:57
<Gadi>
laprag: so how are you getting there?
15:57
I mean from Boston?
15:57
<laprag>
Gadi: i'm driving with David Johnston, we're meeting up at the airport
15:57
<Gadi>
ah, ok
15:57
renting a car?
15:57
<laprag>
yes
15:58
i usually don't fly with one
15:58
;)
15:58
<Gadi>
smart viking
15:58
<laprag>
always
15:58
<Gadi>
ok, then
15:58
<laprag>
we use ships you know
15:58
<Gadi>
ask david j about the civil war or something
15:58
<laprag>
longer boats are coming to get you
15:58
<Gadi>
and ride shotgun
15:58
<laprag>
huh?
15:58
<Gadi>
trust me
15:59
nm
15:59
<laprag>
completely
15:59
<Gadi>
there just is not enough american tv in the world
15:59
:)
15:59
<laprag>
well, in Norway there's too much of it. You can have it back
15:59
<Gadi>
hehe
15:59
see u in me
15:59
and if i c u on the highway, we can race
15:59
<laprag>
I'll keep Battlestar Galactica though
16:00
gauntlet thrown eh?
16:00
<Gadi>
ah - the educational stuff
16:00
gauntlet thrown
16:00
<laprag>
we'll keep an eye out for ya
16:00
<Gadi>
I'll be the blur
16:00
<laprag>
forgot to mention the rental is an Audi R8
16:00
<Gadi>
with the trailing wave of dust
16:00
lol
16:01* laprag waves in the distance
16:01
<Gadi>
I always thought you preferred an innie
16:01
ah, fetishes
16:01
<laprag>
innie me knows not
16:01* Gadi needs to learn viking
16:01
<laprag>
i'm one of those scary forenners
16:02
with nucular brains
16:02
<Lns>
you are both scaring me
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<Gadi>
to ME (make a left turn at greeenland, viking)
16:02
<laprag>
Lns: i'm a forenner i'm supposed to be scary
16:03
Gadi: gotcha. will make left turn around greenland
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<Lns>
....wow.
16:03
I didn't understand one bit of that
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<ogra>
pfft
16:06
that was written, you should *hear* it :)
16:07* ogra wonders what the heck he wants with an R8 in the US ... i mean ... its the US !
16:08
<Lns>
ogra: cops are easily diverted - just drive by a donut shop ;)
16:08
<ogra>
well, here the cops dont even care :)
16:09* ogra cant imainge it being fun driving an R8 on american roads
16:09
<ogra>
(fast)
16:09* vagrantc didn't think main had roads
16:09* vagrantc finds an e
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<ogra>
thats like jumping from hump to hump very fast
16:10
i wouldnt call that driving ... though he is used to ships, its probably a proper emulation at the right speed
16:10
<Lns>
Just drive at night
16:11
the roads are usually clear at night..during the day, forget about it. You might as well walk.
16:11
<ogra>
do the roads flatten in the dark ?
16:11
<Lns>
at least around here
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<ogra>
wow
16:11
<Lns>
ogra: yes they do. :p
16:11
<Gadi>
for thosee of you going to bts, hasta manana!
16:11
<ogra>
have fun
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<Gadi>
all the rest of you slackers, we'll be on irc ;)
16:12
<Lns>
:p Have fun out there gadi
16:12
<Gadi>
hehe
16:12
gnight
16:12* ogra will be in the netherlands tomorrow and fri
16:12
<ogra>
but back on sat.
16:12
<Gadi>
really?
16:12
cheese run?
16:12
<ogra>
heh
16:12
mobile crap
16:12
<Gadi>
i see why you're not in mktg
16:12
;)
16:13
<ogra>
:P
16:13
<vagrantc>
certainly not stationary, going to the netherlands
16:13
<ogra>
yeah
16:13
<vagrantc>
unless you live there
16:13
<Gadi>
have fun, ogra
16:13
<ogra>
nah, i have to go there in ...
16:13
5h
16:13
:(
16:13
<Gadi>
Ill be drinking for you
16:13
promise
16:13
<ogra>
yeah, do that
16:13
a LOT !
16:13
<Gadi>
hehe
16:13
<ogra>
:)
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<nubae>
Belgian beers I hope :-)
16:14
<ogra>
shudder
16:15
<Lns>
You crazy devs and your drinking addictions :p
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<Lns>
ogra: those edubuntu vids are pretty nice!
16:18
<ogra>
yep
16:19* vagrantc heads off to satiate that age-old eating addiction
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<Lns>
lol.. i love beer. I just don't get the opportunity to drink a whole lot of it in one sitting very much anymore :p
16:20
<ogra>
heh
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16:40
<nubae>
Lns: I think the fact that --no-sound fixes the issue points to it being a SDL issue
16:40
<Lns>
nubae: ok
16:40
I just confirmed the same workaround in tuxtype and tuxmath
16:41
<nubae>
so u gonna try MOTU?
16:41
<Lns>
That's a bit over my head..i need to study the stuff a bit more first
16:41
<nubae>
yeah me too
16:41
but maybe we can help each other
16:41
<Lns>
sure
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<Lns>
you're definitely more in that kind of thing than I .. I'm not even really sure how a package structure is detailed. But I'm definitely willing to learn.
16:42
<nubae>
well its not the packaging that is hard
16:42
its the policy
16:43
<Lns>
those YT videos help and I went along with one of them, but I think I just need to do some test packages on my own to get a real grip on it
16:43
yeah
16:43
<nubae>
rpm packaging is super simple
16:43
well maybe not super, but simpler
16:43
<Lns>
hence the incompatibilities with cross distro RPMs ;)
16:44* nubae tries to crack a md5 password with md5-crack
16:44
<nubae>
yeah
16:46* nubae forgot a moodle admin pass...
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<Lns>
wohoo! Looks like we've nailed a major SDL in LTSP bug.
17:25
If it all comes together, a TON of SDL apps should now be usable in LTSP.
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17:34* Lns is now addicted to circuslinux
17:41
<warren>
Lns: nailed a major SDL?
17:41
what does that maen?
17:41
<Lns>
lol
17:41
sorry...SDL bug
17:41
<warren>
what was the bug in?
17:41
<Lns>
warren: tuxpaint, tuxtype, tuxmath, circuslinux, defendguin, others most likely
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<warren>
the bug was in each application or a central library?
17:42
what did the bug do?
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<Lns>
warren: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082
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warren: Very high CPU usage, unclean exit
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on LTSP terminals
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basically made them unusable in LTSP environments (at least in ubuntu ltsp, not sure about fedora ?)
17:43
Definitely has to do w/SDL sound
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using --nosound in any of these apps will cause them to behave
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or their respective sound disabling switch
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<warren>
does SDL native pulseaudio exist yet?
17:46* Lns shrugs
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<Lns>
warren: heh, fancy finding you at the first site i click on to investigate sdl & PA http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/8071348.html
17:54
hmm, also i see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/216397
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<nubae>
it will affect all distros, not just ubuntu
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<Lns>
I'm trying out the PPA with the proposed fix in ^^^ right now
18:06
no dice
18:07
wait...would that need to be installed in the chroot.. ?
18:09
probably. other PA stuff is..trying that.
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<Lns>
damn my non quad-core server and ltsp-update-image!
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<Lns>
nope..still no go.
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<warren>
anyone know how to contact David Johnston
18:29
I'm driving from BOS
18:39* stgraber is quickly fixing some major UI issues with ltsp-cluster control center. This thing sucks but we won't have the new one by tomorrow ...
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<stgraber>
warren: I can't find anything better than an e-mail address, did you already try mail ?
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<ogra>
warren, laprag was here before and said they share a rented Audi R8
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(i guess he only wanted to show off though :P, but he said he wants to meet up with David Johnston)
18:46
Lns, i think the bug with SDL is that it hardcoded tries to attach to /dev/snd/blah instead of properly using alsa lib ... thats as evil as the old flash was using libesd.0 directly hardcoded
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<warren>
ogra: ok, then he doesn't need a ride?
18:48
<ogra>
didnt look like
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<warren>
ok
18:48
<ogra>
<laprag> Gadi: i'm driving with David Johnston, we're meeting up at the airport
18:48
<Gadi> ah, ok
18:49
<stgraber>
ogra: btw, I'll really need to speak with our KDE people at UDS, these guys really didn't have LTSP in minde when coding KDE4 ...
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<Lns>
ogra: I agree - I noticed a couple of console msgs regarding "cannot connect to /dev/snd or /dev/sound/xyz" when running them
18:49
<ogra>
stgraber, well, gonome 2.0 didnt have multiuser in mind either when they started
18:50
<stgraber>
ogra: we now have a devel assigned (part-time) on fixing everything and writing patch (basically doing the same things you did for gnome)
18:50
<ogra>
the first fixes i see for multiuser in gnome are all very young compared to how old gnome 2 actually is
18:51
we'll have a lot KDE guys in mountainview
18:51
at least it looks like that looking at the atendees wikipage
18:52
<stgraber>
cool, I'll nag them until I get something that works (out of the box as gnome does :))
18:52
<Lns>
ogra: thx for the comment on that sdl bug report, i think that's going to help the sdl guys really understand how to go forward
18:53
<stgraber>
I'll also need to discuss with mvo how to fix the compiz launcher script for LTSP, we discussed it a bit on IRC but couldn't find a way to have the exact same behaviour as you would on a standard install
18:53
<ogra>
stgraber, well, gnome works out of the box as a matter of luck until we fix dbus
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<ogra>
as soon as the applets all use dbus instead of bonobo, we're screwed
18:54
so thats something to solve soon
18:54
<stgraber>
hmm, why ? what's broken with dbus (other than with localapps)
18:54
<ogra>
the session bus doesnt connect to the right systm bus
18:54
<stgraber>
oh
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<ogra>
it should actually be forwarded over TCP and attach to the client's system bus
18:55
instead of using the servers
18:55
<stgraber>
right
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<ogra>
but dbus has no TCP transport
18:55
<stgraber>
but what kind of problem do you get (except than getting information about the server and not about the client) ?
18:55
<ogra>
authentication
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<johnny>
is there a way to download the packages?
18:56
err for the upgrade
18:56
before actually upgrading..
18:56
<ogra>
since we have consolekit you get wrong auth credentials
18:56
johnny, apt-get has a switch
18:57
err
18:57
s/consolekit/policykit/
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the more apps will use plokit, the more you will notice breakage
18:57
*pol
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<stgraber>
ogra: ah, right I noticed some policykit things that weren't quite right :)
18:58
<johnny>
ogra, i mean for update-manager
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<ogra>
the prob is that debus uses a unix domain socket by default
18:58
i know there is an X transport, we could probably use it
18:59
in case i have a spare session slot in mountainview we should sit down and take a look at that
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<johnny>
it looks like dbus can do tcp??
18:59
<ogra>
since when ?
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and how would that be secured ?
18:59
i would prefer an authenticated X transport rather
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<johnny>
This feature is not well documented, so there is the configuration ligne to add in your /etc/dbus-1/system.conf file :
19:00
<listen>tcp:host=localhost,port=12434</listen>
19:00
secured.. it doesn't say anything about that :)
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<ogra>
yeah
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<johnny>
prolly need to tunnel it over ssh..
19:00
<ogra>
i bet you can fully sniff it
19:00
<johnny>
yeah.. you could if you didn't tunnel it..
19:00
or we could use stunnel..
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<ogra>
nah
19:00
add functionallity to dbus to use ssh sockets ;)
19:00
<stgraber>
johnny: that still means any user on the server can sniff and inject into other users dbus
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<johnny>
over ssh?
19:01
<ogra>
well, you have an open endpoint
19:01
<johnny>
oh.. it's still available system wide..
19:01
<ogra>
right
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<johnny>
it's not auth per user :)
19:01
<ogra>
and we dont care about the system bus
19:01
we care about the session one
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dbus-launch prolly needs a patch
19:02* Lns waves goodnight to all
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<stgraber>
ogra: will we have a dbus guy at UDS ?
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<johnny>
ogra.. so.. update-manager ..
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<ogra>
stgraber, probably, not sure whom Keybuk could convince to come
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<johnny>
how can it just download packages?
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<ogra>
i dont think u-m can
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<johnny>
lame
19:03
ok.. whatever.. the time is coming where i can start it anyways
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<ogra>
whats the prob with using apt-get to pre-download ?
19:04
apt-get -d upgrade
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<johnny>
will it choose the right packages?
19:04
i mean for the uhmm.. dist-upgrade ..
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<ogra>
that will populate /var/cache/apt/archives
19:04
<johnny>
which i thought you shouldn't use apt-get for..
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<ogra>
well, for a pre download that should be fine
19:04
run u-m afterwards
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<johnny>
ok. thanks ogra..
19:07
i just didn't wanna do the wrong thing :)
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<ogra>
well, no promises its the right thing :)
19:07
<johnny>
now i can do this download.. and come back when we are closed and just start the actual upgrade
19:07
give me an extra half hour of sleep hopefully
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<ogra>
it might still pull one or the other package
19:07
but -d will get you the majorty in advance
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<johnny>
ogra.. why are you awake?
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<ogra>
well, i have to rush to the netherlands early tomorrow for two days ... couldnt sleep yet and had a shower ... now i'm waiting for my hair to dry
19:09* ogra is horribly tired actually ... watching the election like very second german last night somewhat trashed my sleep schedule :)
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<ogra>
*every
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<johnny>
glad it turned out without recounts and whatnot
19:13
<ogra>
yeah
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though if that would have been clear early i would have gone to bed :)
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<nubae>
what are the licensing issues with squeak?
19:14
<ogra>
nubae, apple fonts iirc
19:14
<nubae>
u might as well not go to sleep now
19:14
ah right, that was it
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<ogra>
parts of the code are owned by apple and can only be distributed with apple fonts ... which are free for use but not allowed to be modified
19:15
but read the license, i might not remember that correctly
19:15
its some year ago that i read it
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<nubae>
weird that it got into sugar
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it being totally free and all
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<ogra>
probably the license was changed
19:16
or only parts where the license doesnt apply did go in
19:22
anyway ... bed ...
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<kwak>
hi ryan and sbalneav
20:12* Ryan52 waves
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<kwak>
my server is still not working. in hopes that it will get fixed, i did an update-manager -d to upgarde to 8.10. clients are still not getting dhcp response from the server.
20:12
big headache. Currently, i'm rebuilding the ltsp chroot (ltsp-build-clint)
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<Ryan52>
all of them can't or just some like yesterday?
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if it's just some, then I really don't know how to help..you have everything right.
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<kwak>
well, i started 20 only 1 got
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<Ryan52>
yikes. does your daemon.log show that the server is seeing the requests and trying to talk back?
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<kwak>
sorry, had class.
20:52
yeap, ltsp-build-client and not yet finished so waiting for it and will test again.
20:54
the clients are getting dhcp response now, but booting is up to initramfs prompt only
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<twb>
A customer wants me to update their x terminal server network; they say they have tried "Thin Station", "CULT Thin Client" and "DIET-PC".
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Is there an obvious reason why they wouldn't have considered LTSP?
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I mean, I mostly work in the diskless netbooting desktop space, and I've heard of LTSP but not really of these others...
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<loather-work>
i've heard of thinstation, but not the other two
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<Ryan52>
woah. twb is everywhere! ;)
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<twb>
loather-work: they do basically the same thing as LTSP, right?
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I don't want to say "why not LTSP?" and look like an idiot to the customer because LTSP solves a different problem.
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<loather-work>
thinstation is pretty much the same problem solved differently
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<twb>
Cool.
22:23
So they have a single in-house application, which does all the authenticaction -- that is, at the X level everyone is essentially a "guest" user.
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This app needs to be able to make noises on the X term's speakers, and access USB... stuff (probably mass storage devices) plugged into the X term's USB sockets.
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Can LTSP cope with that?
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My naïve guess would be NAS for the former.
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<kwak>
my ltsp lab is dead.
22:26
it seems that LTSP gets harder and harder to configure. when i first used ltsp under fedora, it was very easy.
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<Ryan52>
kwak: was it ever working past the boot? or are you back to the no dhcp problem?
22:27
kwak: and, no, it's not getting harder. it takes me about 5 minutes to do the actual setup, then I just have to wait for the chroot to build. works perfectly for me.
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<cyberorg>
kwak, not really, its just few clicks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCDfnImh67E
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<Ryan52>
pfft. ya, if you're using kiwi. ;))
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<cyberorg>
Ryan52, i am sure it is as easy on ubuntu too :)
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<Ryan52>
ubuntu/debian/fedora/gentoo/rest of ltsp planet just doesn't have the gui.
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<kwak>
it's not a DHCP issue anymore after ltsp-build-client
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<Ryan52>
cyberorg: oh, you cut the song off right in the middle :(
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<kwak>
the last line is setting up LTSP client
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<Ryan52>
what's the problem?
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<kwak>
and Disconnecting: que: disconnect, sock, done
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39.341321 ubd0: Receive control failed (result -32)
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this are the other errors
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<cyberorg>
Ryan52, set up didnt take long enough :(
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<Ryan52>
twb: the local devices thing is a little wierd. "aptitude show ltspfs". sound works. you can set it up to automatically log in as a user.
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<kwak>
Error: loctl/1.1a Failed Bad File descriptor
22:34
This is the error after Negotitation: ..size = ....
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<Ryan52>
kwak: meep. which part is saying that?
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<kwak>
all machines has this same error
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<twb>
Ryan52: the other thing is, they actually have writable flash drives in the xterms.
22:35
Ryan52: so rather than pure netbooting, they seem to want to boot the below-X layers of the OS off that.
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<Ryan52>
kwak: which point in the boot process says that?
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<kwak>
few lines after loading pxelinux.cfg
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<Ryan52>
twb: 2 questions: a) why would they want that? b) so how does it get X and all of the other required pieces then?
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<twb>
Ryan52: they basically are suggesting a two-stage boot
22:38* Ryan52 would think that would just make maintaining it more difficult. x number of places to upgrade rather than 1.
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<kwak>
im testing of 6 clients which has all the same error
22:38
<twb>
Ryan52: the first stage pxe boots and, if out of date, downloads the current OS onto the flash drive
22:38
<kwak>
now, not dhcp anymore
22:38
<twb>
Ryan52: then the second stage is just booting the flash drive
22:38
Ryan52: now, *I* would say "let's just boot off network unless performance becomes an issue"
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<Ryan52>
twb: that shouldn't be a problem, as long as you already have the "pxe update and boot" stuff. you'd just need all of the ltsp client chroot (x and all) to fit on the disk..
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<kwak>
well, anyway. my administrator just came in a while ago, and gave me a go signal to purchase brand new computers for my lab. I will still be using ubuntu though.
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<johnny>
uggh.. sometimes update-manager is total fail
22:44
any ubuntu folks about?
22:44
i had setuptools installed by hand on this machine and then update-manager totally puked when it tried to install it's own
22:44
its*
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<johnny>
aha scott .. :)
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<johnny>
sbalneav, maybe you can help...
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<johnny>
i just upped to intrepid and update-manager totally barfed since i had a locally installed copy of setuptools, how can i recover?
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<twb>
Ryan52: I think they only want that because they're migrating from that behaviour on WinCE.
22:56
Ryan52: so I'm just gonna advocate pure netbooting LTSP.
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<johnny>
UGGH
23:30
this sucks
23:30
bad upgrade: 'intrepid' != 'gutsy'
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why the hell does it think i want to do that
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