IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 February 2014   (all times are UTC)

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03:52
<alkisg>
Good morning
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06:31* vagrantc waves to work_alkisg
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06:32
<alkisg>
Hi vagrantc!
06:32* vagrantc is snowed in!
06:32* alkisg got busy fixing some grave wine bugs and apt repository issues, and postponed the ltsp TODOs... :-/
06:32
<alkisg>
Wow!
06:33
Fortunately a couple of weeks ago we got enough show for skiing here too :)
06:39* alkisg is trying to have an apt repository which shows the correct packages for "clients" in specific IP ranges, and dummy packages for those that don't have licenses to download those packages...
06:41
<alkisg>
I thought it would be easy to do that with a "deb http://ts.sch.gr/repo stable main non-free" line, but it appears that it will be easier with 2 lines, "deb http://ts.sch.gr/repo stable main" and "deb http://ts.sch.gr/repo non-free main"...
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08:12
<jmilot>
Hi
08:12
I have try to change nfs by nbd
08:12
but i doesn't work
08:13
i try : ltsp-config nbd-server
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08:13
<jmilot>
nbd is listenning on 10809
08:14
i need to change : /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
08:18
<work_alkisg>
Did you run ltsp-update-image ?
08:18work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
08:18
<alkisg>
That would change pxelinux.cfg/default...
08:22
<jmilot>
yes i run ltsp-update-image
08:23
but it default doesn't change ..
08:23
i tried ltsp-update-image -f
08:23
but default doesn't change
08:23
i have in pxelinux.cfg :
08:24
default, ltsp-NFS, ltsp-NBD, ltsp-version-NFS, ltsp-version-NBD
08:24
<alkisg>
Ah, ok then change BOOT_METHODS order in $CHROOT/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
08:24
Put NBD before NFS
08:25
Then run chroot $CHROOT update-initramfs -u, and ltsp-update-image again
08:25
When you're finished, document everything in the ltsp wiki for the next one that will want to do it :)
08:26
<jmilot>
i can modify your wiki ?
08:26
<alkisg>
Sure, it's a wiki, anyone can edit the ltsp wiki afaik...
08:27
<jmilot>
where i can put these informations ?
08:27
in configuration ?
08:28
<alkisg>
No idea, check where it fits best
08:28
It can easily be moved later if needed
08:29
<jmilot>
ok
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08:34
<jmilot>
default file will be changed ?
08:34
<alkisg>
It should
08:34
(automatically)
08:35
<jmilot>
it's the same ..
08:35
i need to change #ONTIMEOUT=ltsp-NFS in update-kernels.conf ?
08:36
<alkisg>
Did you run update-initramfs -u in the chroot
08:36
<jmilot>
yes i did
08:36
<alkisg>
Is $CHROOT/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default changed?
08:37
<jmilot>
i have :
08:37
default ltsp-NFS ontimeout ltsp-NFS # This file is regenerated when update-kernels runs. # Do not edit, see /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf instead. label ltsp-NFS menu label LTSP, using NFS kernel vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-486 append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.2.0-4-486 init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs ipappend 2
08:38
it didn't change
08:38
(it is only the beginning of the file)
08:39
When i launch update-initramfs - u :
08:40
update-initramfs -u update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-486 df: Avertissement : ne peut pas lire la table des systèmes de fichiers montés: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type warning: failed to read mtab cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab cat: /proc/cmdline: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type cat: /proc/cmdline: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
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08:48
<vimets>
hi there all
08:48
anyone can help me with an LTSP related problem?
08:49
<jmilot>
Hi vimets
08:49
hat'is your pb ?
08:50
<vimets>
i did a succesful instalaltion
08:50
of an LTSP years ago
08:50
now, im working in a new place and i want to doit again
08:50
the point is that the way to install sofware on the images
08:50
<jmilot>
alkisg : i succeed to change nfs to nbd i need to make /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels in chroot
08:50
<vimets>
has changed
08:51
if I chroot
08:51
and install software, i dont see it on the images
08:51
<alkisg>
jmilot: yes that's what I said, (10:25:14 πμ) alkisg: Then run chroot $CHROOT update-initramfs -u, and ltsp-update-image again
08:51
<vimets>
but if i install something on the server,
08:51
without rebuilding the image
08:51
i see the new sofware
08:51
<alkisg>
jmilot: ah... update-kernels, ok, sorry
08:51
<vimets>
on the thin clients
08:52
<alkisg>
jmilot: do document those in the wiki
08:52
<vimets>
kinda hot swap here
08:52
<alkisg>
vimets: for thin clients, the software is installed on the server, not on the chroot
08:53
<vimets>
:O but this has "no sense"
08:53
if i want to have diferent images with diferent software?
08:53
<alkisg>
Then you need VMs or fat clients
08:53
!fatclients
08:53
<ltsp>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
08:53
<vimets>
and i dont want graphical interface on the server
08:54
oh, but the clients are really slow
08:54
dont wanna fat clients
08:54
:(
08:54
<alkisg>
Then VMs
08:54
(virtual machines running on the server and behaving as LTSP servers)
08:55
<vimets>
ok i see
08:55
i will try
08:55
cause im stuck for some days
08:55
here trying to have separated images
08:55
<alkisg>
You don't need separate images
08:55
You need separate servers. All of them can use the same image.
08:55
The servers can be virtual.
08:55
<vimets>
well, maybe students use diferent software than teachers
08:55
<alkisg>
Then just hide the software
08:55
Or prohibit access
08:56
That's no reason to run 2 VMs...
08:56
<vimets>
yeah true, with VM's no
08:56
but with ltsp images its kinda logical
08:56
<alkisg>
Teachers are not allowed to run e.g. apt-get install, that doesn't mean that you need another VM that doesn't have that
08:56
<vimets>
haha ok :)
08:56
thanks for your light
08:56
i was getting to dark over here
08:56
and sorry for mi english
08:57
have a good one
08:57
<alkisg>
So, one ltsp image, one LTSP server in VM, and controlled access
08:57
<vimets>
:)
08:57
<alkisg>
You're welcome
08:57
Don't worry about your english, it's not my native language either :)
08:57
<vimets>
;)
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09:02
<jmilot>
vimets, i use kde like dekstop , so i have one server but some profiles for users
09:02
for example : menu change for teachers or students
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09:09
<jmilot>
alkisg : when a user is connected i need to see a nbd process , right ?
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09:16
<alkisg>
jmilot: two
09:16
One for the root file system, and one for swap
09:17
<jmilot>
i haven't any process, it seems to continue to use nfs ...
09:17
it's strange no ?
09:17
maybe the user doesn't poweroff his thin client ...
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09:20
<alkisg>
On the client, ltsp-localapps xterm, and there, cat /proc/cmdline, it should mention nbd
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09:35
<jmilot>
it's normal that the user launch a sftp-server
09:35
?
09:35
<alkisg>
It's for sshfs
09:35
(if you use localapps or fat clients)
09:37
<jmilot>
it's strange i use only thin client ...
09:38
in the thin client, it's normal that i have access to user home ?
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10:05
<Hyperbyte>
jmilot, if you are the user, then yes.
10:08
<jmilot>
ok
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11:47
<gbaman>
next question, I have a network printer
11:47
it is set up and nicely printing from the server
11:47
so how do I get that on the clients?
11:57
hyperbyte?
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12:05
<Hyperbyte>
gbaman, hi!
12:05
<gbaman>
hey
12:05
you dont happen to have any suggestions for printers?
12:05
<Hyperbyte>
No. LTSP has always let me down in that regard. :P
12:05
Are you using fat clients?
12:06
<gbaman>
yes
12:06
<Hyperbyte>
Do you have a network printer?
12:06
<gbaman>
used the ltsp-pnp guide
12:06
yes
12:06
<Hyperbyte>
Then it's easy.
12:06
Small moment.
12:07
Since it's networked printer, configuration from the server will just work on clients...
12:07
All you need to do is get LTSP to leave the configuration alone
12:07
Open /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes
12:07
Is /etc/cups/ in there?
12:09
If so, remove it. I don't think it is there though.
12:09
Also, if it's there, rebuild image.
12:09
Then edit /usr/share/ltsp/cleanup.d/50-printers-conf There's three uncommented lines in there... comment those.
12:09
Then reboot client.
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<gbaman_>
ooops
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apparently i died
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<Hyperbyte>
!irclogs
12:15
<ltsp>
irclogs: This channel is logged, archives are available at http://irclogs.ltsp.org
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12:15
<gbaman_>
i can see up to "then reboot client"
12:16
etc/cups is not in there
12:18
<Hyperbyte>
Then just edit the other file - also, I forgot - you'll have to rebuild the image after editing that file.
12:18
<gbaman_>
rebuilding image
12:19
right, that will take a while
12:19
brb
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12:26
<gbaman>
testing client now
12:27
nope Hyperbyte
12:28
nothing
12:28
will take another stab at it over the weekend, bbl
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<joe_sizlack>
still looking for an answer to my aufs, resync question
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vagrantc, you around? or anyone know how I might re-sync my aufs mount / without rebooting?
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<vagrantc>
?
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re-sync?
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