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Channel log from 23 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:13
<sbalneav>
Night all
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<akSeya>
hi there..
00:24
i want to install ltsp5 on slackware.. then if everything goes right i want to integrate it and maintain LTSP5 packages for slackware...
00:27
<ari_stress>
that's good
00:28
<akSeya>
yeap.. but i need some help to start... i just can't find ltspinfod
00:28
i'm following this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
00:29
it says that ltspinfod can't be installed yet.. to be developed
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02:01
<iMav>
so, anyone here use the SYM1110 (Symbiont Mini)? (I think I ask this every time I'm on here) :)
02:05
<ari_stress>
what's that?
02:06
<iMav>
http://www.disklessthinclients.com/secure/images/SYM1110_small.jpg
02:07
<ari_stress>
cool
02:07
<iMav>
http://www.thesymbiont.com/mambots/editors/tinymce/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=20
02:08
I'm just curious if there are any performace issues with it and LTSP.
02:08
<ari_stress>
we can send an email inquiry to them i think
02:13
<iMav>
I'm looking at doing thin clients for the kids when I get home...and I know that my daughter would ove the look of that system.
02:19
anyone here frequently use thin clients such as the ones offered by disklessworkstations.com? (I am wondering how well, if at all they (coupled with ltsp, of course) work with wide aspect displays.
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02:21
<ari_stress>
iMav: since the concept of ltsp is that all the work is done on the server, then any client with 'decent' hardware will do
02:21
and i'm sure those proprietary thin client will do just great
02:21
either with ltsp or windows
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02:40
<iMav>
dang, keep losing connectivity. internet access in the sunni triangle just isn't what it used to be. :)
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02:51
<ari_stress>
zzz
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05:15
<cliebow>
iMav:ABSOLUTELY diskless thinclients will worek
05:15
they directly support ltsp..as in paying the gent that thought it up..
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06:43
<robbie>
evenings
06:44
<ari_stress>
evenings
06:44
guys, is it ok if the server has more than 4GB of memory?
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07:29
<ace_suares>
!seen ogra
07:29
<ltspbot>
ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 17 hours, 43 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <ogra> noted down
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07:40
<Drock>
Hi
07:40
I have a one trouble
07:41
Installed LTSP, connected to the USB touchscreen terminal, copied driver in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input, build_x4_cfg prescribed in the script all they need, NO device loaded as mouse1 and the point, although the readme said that the device should be evenX where X number of the device. conf file for a piece
07:41
Section "InputDevice"
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Identifier "touchscreen1"
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Driver "etwousb"
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Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse1"
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Option "AlwaysCore"
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Option "ScreenNumber" "0"
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Option "BoderLeft" "238"
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Option "BoderRight" "1287"
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Option "BoderTop" "412"
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Option "BoderBottom" "1240"
07:41
EndSection
07:41
and log file
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(**) option device dev/input/mouse1
07:41
ETWO USB TouchScreen port opened successfully
07:41
(--) USB Kernel Input device name "Unknown"
07:41
!ETWO USB Touchscreen : unknown type of hardware
07:41
<ltspbot>
Drock: Error: "ETWO" is not a valid command.
07:41
<Drock>
!! ETWO USB Touchscreen : unable to query/initialize hardware
07:41
<ltspbot>
Drock: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
07:41
<Drock>
!!!ETWO USB Touchscreen : driver work in silence mode
07:41
<ltspbot>
Drock: Error: "!!ETWO" is not a valid command.
07:41
<Drock>
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "ETWO USB Touchscreen" (type : TOUCHSCREEN)
07:41
As a result, a device that identifies not mouse1, but as eventX?
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08:46
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:50
<ari_stress>
evening sbalneav :D
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10:18
<maddox>
Hi there i'm having some problems with logging into a LTSP server i've created on Ubuntu Gutsy
10:18
Is anyone around that can help me debug the problem?
10:18
Basically I'm getting a graphical login prompt on the client
10:19
but as soon as I enter any login details it gives me a black screen with an animated cursor
10:19
and then hangs for ~5-10mins then takes me back to the login prompt
10:21
<sbalneav>
maddox: have you done an ltsp-update-sshkeys, and then an ltsp-update-image?
10:28
<maddox>
Yes, I get this message from ltsp-update-sshkeys, is it normal?
10:28
WARNING: /opt/ltsp/images/etc/ssh not found. skipping...
10:28
I have checked the ssh known hosts file though and it seems okay
10:28
I can SSH from the client's terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) into the server box fine
10:32
<Gadi>
maddox: try (on the server): sudo apt-get install ltspfs
10:32
then, try logging in again
10:33
<sbalneav>
Morning gadi
10:33
<Gadi>
!s
10:33
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:33
<Gadi>
:)
10:33
sbalneav: u in portland?
10:33
<sbalneav>
No, couldn't swing it.
10:33
<Gadi>
me, neither - but its raining here, just to make me feel like I were there ;)
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10:36
<maddox>
"ltspfs is already the newest version."
10:36
<fgiraldeau>
I'm in portland actualy, and it's realy cool.
10:37
<maddox>
raining here in London too, as always
10:37
<Gadi>
fgiraldeau: bonjoir
10:37
er, jour
10:37
heh
10:37
<fgiraldeau>
Yesterday was the bof about LTSP scalability : http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/14832
10:37
Hi Gadi! Hope that you're fine
10:38
<Gadi>
maddox: try setting SCREEN_01 = shell in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
10:38
<maddox>
then update the image?
10:38
<Gadi>
no
10:38
you can put an lts.conf in that dir
10:38
and it will grab it on boot
10:38
(via tftp)
10:38
<maddox>
:)
10:39
<Gadi>
will help you troubleshoot
10:39
;)
10:39
<maddox>
Does that then override the one in the image?
10:39
<Gadi>
once ur in a shell, launch ldm by hand and check for errors
10:39
<maddox>
or do I need to mv the one from the image to tftpboot folder?
10:39
<Gadi>
yes - it overrides
10:39
so, you can just copy the one in the image
10:39
and modify
10:40
<Drock_>
Hi
10:40
<maddox>
[default] SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True CONFIGURE_X=False
10:40
That's my existing one
10:40
Just incase you see any obvious problem with it!
10:40
<Gadi>
nope thats the default :0
10:40
:)
10:41
<Drock_>
Do you not help me with a problem?
10:42
<Gadi>
Drock_: what seems to be the trouble?
10:42
<Drock_>
I connect usb - etwotouch touchscreen terminal, but the logs can see that the device is defined as mouse1 and does not want to be defined as the event *
10:43
<Gadi>
Drock_: are you on LTSP 4.2?
10:43
<Drock_>
yes
10:43
<Gadi>
did you set: X_TOUCH_DEVICE in lts.conf?
10:44
<maddox>
sorry gadi, what parameters should I be passing to ldm from the console?
10:44
<Drock_>
Yes, but the device works as mice :(
10:45
<maddox>
ldm <vt[1-n]> <:[0-N]>
10:45
<Gadi>
maddox: ldm vt7 :6
10:45
<Drock_>
Clicking on any point, the cursor down the screen
10:46
<Gadi>
Drock_: im not sure what the support is like in LTSP out of the box for USB touchscreens
10:47
iirc, the ELO USB screens require a kernel module to be loaded
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10:48
<Gadi>
but, if it detects it as mouse1, can you not just specify /dev/mouse1 and then add some calibration parameters?
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10:52
<Drock_>
I copied the file in the device driver /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input, calibration program does not work in this mode
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10:55
<maddox>
According to the ldm.log it's hanging at this point:
10:55
ssh_chat: looking for ssw2ord: from ssh fd
10:56
I've checked the SSH logs (even tried running ssh server in debug mode) on the server but it doesn't look like any connections are being made
10:57
Ahh, it just took a while (maybe reverse lookup?), now it says:
10:57
expect saw:
10:57
<sbalneav>
What's the ip address of your server? Is it different from the default 192.168.0.254?
10:57
<maddox>
ssh_chat: got it! Sending pw
10:57
Yes it is different
10:57
10.1.60.15
10:58
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf file?
10:58
to the pastebin?
10:58
<maddox>
What's the URL of the pastebin?
10:58
<sbalneav>
!pastbot
10:58
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "pastbot" is not a valid command.
10:58
<sbalneav>
!pastebot
10:58
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:58
<maddox>
Thanks
11:00
<ltsppbot>
"Drock" pasted "xorg.log" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/226
11:01
"maddox" pasted "LTSP Client login problems" (47 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/227
11:01
<maddox>
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.254 port 22: Connection timed out
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11:01
<maddox>
Found that in the ldm.log
11:01
I take it there's a configuration option to change somewhere?
11:01
<sbalneav>
Set up a SERVER=10.1.60.15 line in your lts.conf
11:01
<ltsppbot>
"Drock" pasted "& loadmodule xorg.log" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/228
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<maddox>
Wahoo, it works!
11:04
Thanks guys!
11:07
<sbalneav>
np
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<Drock_>
hi
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12:29
<ogra>
sbalneav, hey, thats your exact ltsp.org mailaddress ?
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12:29
<ogra>
s/thats/whats/
12:30
i want to put it in my slides
12:30
<jammcq>
hey ogra
12:30
your talk starts at 12:10, correct?
12:30
<ogra>
12:05 i think
12:31
jammcq, same for you, whats your exact ltsp.org mailaddress for my slides ?
12:31
<fgiraldeau>
Cool, I will download it as soon as I can :)
12:31
<jammcq>
hmm, i'll get over there as quickly as possible
12:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, hey, meet fgiraldeau, he has awesome ideas for clustering and load balancing and ges for MOTU to contribute !
12:35
<chupacabra>
Could someone tell the spammers that Email is dead and deprecated by myspace and its ilk.
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<ogra>
jammcq_, is scotts address scott@ltsp.org ?
12:40
<jammcq_>
sbalneav@ltsp.org
12:40
<ogra>
or sbalneav ?
12:40
thanks :)
12:40
<jammcq_>
k
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<K_O-Gnom>
ogra: http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/6013/1020783/polizeipraesidium_mittelfranken <-- the weather in middle franconian ..
12:43
<absenth>
roughly how powerful of a server would I need for 5 concurrent LTSP users? is there a guidline anywhere?
12:44
<jammcq_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
12:44
<absenth>
thanks jammcq_
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12:45
<absenth>
it's been a while since we've chatted. my last experiance with LTSP was a 250 node intallation with 9 servers, but they were all using the Citrix ica client run local, so the hardware requirements were non-existant.
12:47
sounds like any modern server should handle my 5 node load with little or no problem. that's good to know. Thanks :)
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13:05
<ogra>
jammcq_, we'll need to update that for ltsp5 ... 50MB is a *bit* small ;)
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13:09
<monteslu>
anyone seen eric harrison lately?
13:10
I'm just kinda curious about the status on k12ltsp7, gonna be redoing my son's school next week
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<ogra>
he was at the ubuntulive conf yesterday ...
13:14
but we didnt talk about k12 ...
13:15
he might have a problem with ltsp i guess since redhat doesnt have an ltsp5 implementation yet and ltsp 4.x slowly moves into the unsupported realm
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13:17
<dz0>
Anyone up for helping diagnose a tftp issue? Its probably something stupid but Im stumped at this point. Local gets of a file work. Remote hang and time out. I see the RRQ request but no file is ever sent.
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13:32
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: I would be happy to talk with you about the clustering stuff of yesterday's BoF
13:32
<monteslu>
ogra, thanks for the update
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13:32* monteslu ponders switching to edubuntu
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<fgiraldeau>
You can download the presentation : https://svn.revolutionlinux.com/MILLE/XTERM/trunk/Documentation/ubuntulive-2007-ltsp-scalability-bof/ltsp-scalabillity-presentation.odp
13:34
ogra: does sbalneav is at ubuntulive today?
13:35
<ogra>
nope
13:35
he's home
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13:35
<jammcq>
ah, that's better
13:35
<fgiraldeau>
good to know
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<fgiraldeau>
ogra: I wrote to scott, so I will wait and see
13:41
<ogra>
yup
13:42
<fgiraldeau>
ogra: are you anxious about your talk?
13:42
<ogra>
only slightly ...
13:42
its a bigger audience than usual
13:43
<fgiraldeau>
yeah, I agree
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<sbalneav>
back
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13:53
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: You wanted to speak to me about your presentation?
13:53
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:53
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: yeah, do you have some time?
13:54
<sbalneav>
Sure
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<sbalneav>
Wondering how you're going to get around this:
13:54
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=715406
13:55
<whiprush>
sbalneav: There is still time, get on a plane.
13:55
<ogra>
sbalneav, not at all
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13:55
<sbalneav>
whiprush: Wife needs me here.
13:55
<ogra>
whiprush, he wont make my talk though :/
13:55* whiprush shakes fist in the air
13:55* ogra sees whiprush ... liar
13:56
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: it doesn't realy matter, OpenMosix is not realy useful for us I think.
13:56
<ogra>
(sitting two rows behind)
13:56
<whiprush>
how about now
13:56
<fgiraldeau>
The realy goal is to make possible to get a pool of servers on wich dispatch user's sessions.
13:57
No OpenMosix there
13:57
<sbalneav>
Well, we've talked about that before
13:58
How do you do it? Create a static list of ltsp session servers?
13:58
<fgiraldeau>
I hope so, now we have to get it a reality
13:58
<monteslu>
there something in the works other than specifing which mac goes to which ltsp server?
13:58
<fgiraldeau>
Ok, how to get it done is realy details.
13:58
<ogra>
sbalneav, we talked exactly about his spec at UDS ;)
13:58
<sbalneav>
Right, that's what I was thinking.
13:59
fgiraldeau: I'm a details kind of guy :)
13:59
<Q-FUNK>
greetings from estonian thin client details
13:59
<fgiraldeau>
First, you need a hook in LDM to make it possible to select some server in the pool.
13:59
This is the loadbalancing part.
14:00
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: Yep, we're doing that.
14:00
<fgiraldeau>
Next, we need a central configuration repository for terminals.
14:00
<sbalneav>
Well there's a couple of ways to handle that.
14:00
<monteslu>
yeah, just have one ltsp server with all the info and other taht are just pointed to from it
14:01* vagrantc thinks parsing /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts would be a good way to select servers
14:01
<vagrantc>
since you can't log into any server not defined there anyways.
14:01
<sbalneav>
vagrantc++
14:01
<vagrantc>
only problem is sometimes it's listed by ip and sometimes by host name
14:01
<sbalneav>
good idea
14:01
<vagrantc>
and usually both
14:01
so you don't want duplicate entries ...
14:02
<sbalneav>
yep, we can code around that, methinks.
14:02
<vagrantc>
i guess you could log into a server defined by root (or whatever LDM run's as ) ~/.ssh/known_hosts
14:02
<sbalneav>
Then we'd just have to make getltspcfg ldap aware
14:02
which wouldn't be too hard.
14:03
<fgiraldeau>
The hardest thing to do I think, is not assume that every users will be on the same server.
14:03
<vagrantc>
why does getltspcfg need to be ldap aware ?
14:03
<sbalneav>
ltsp does, in fact, actually have a registered LDAP id
14:03
<fgiraldeau>
For example, you are working on a bug to let user have only one session at a time, right?
14:03
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: if you're planning on having lts.conf entries centralized
14:03
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok.
14:04
could just write a utility that queries ldap and generates an lts.conf ...
14:04
<fgiraldeau>
How do you enforce that if one session is on one server, and the user is trying to actualy start a session on another server?!
14:04
<vagrantc>
social engineering
14:04
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: Personally, I think that's a bogus bug. REALLY what needs to be done is fix gnome/kde so that THEY don't assume that you've only got one session. But that's a much bigger job.
14:05
The "single login" issue is because gnome/kde break horribly if you login twice.
14:05
<vagrantc>
if you're sharing your home directory across servers ... ?
14:05
<sbalneav>
When I used to run icewm, it worked fine if I logged in multiple times.
14:06
<fgiraldeau>
Yeah, I agree with you on that point. Not only KDE and Gnome, but also OpenOffice, Firefox and many others
14:06
<sbalneav>
Yeah, it's a big problem.
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14:06
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: icewm doesn't have filelocking session management
14:06
<vagrantc>
well, we could implement a check in LDM
14:07
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: you're right, if home is shared, then you can use a lock file in the home directory to know if the user is already logged somewhere else
14:07
<sbalneav>
right.
14:07
just drop something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
14:07
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: and listen to ogra scream
14:08
<ogra>
boo
14:08
<fgiraldeau>
It could also be possible to write a session manager, like MS does. That will be helpful too for session resuming in some time.
14:08
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: of course, we'd need a way to handle stale lock files
14:08* ogra needs to prepare for the talk ... bbl
14:08
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: yeah, i like the idea of a server-side session manager.
14:08
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: have fun!
14:08
<vagrantc>
but *some people* don't.
14:08
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: We've talked about that before. You need magic in Xorg to make that happen.
14:09
<fgiraldeau>
I need to move to the room for the ogra talk, but I'm realy happy to see that people is interested about that
14:09
Let's turn those talks into code.
14:09
<sbalneav>
Are you subscribed to edubuntu-[users/devel] and/or ltsp-discuss mailing lists?
14:10
<fgiraldeau>
Yeah
14:10
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: we're way ahead of you.
14:10
<fgiraldeau>
ltsp-discuss
14:10
why do you say that?
14:10
I already implemented it :)
14:10
<sbalneav>
because we talked about the multi-server thing back in may :)
14:10
<fgiraldeau>
mille-xterm
14:10
Since 3 years
14:11
<sbalneav>
But you've never EVER once sent any patches to us, have you?
14:11
<fgiraldeau>
The problem is that documentation is only in french and packages are only available for Mandriva.
14:12
It was too much overhead at start, but now we are ready to get things integrated.
14:12
So, I'm here for that, to share my experience and my time to get this done.
14:13
<sbalneav>
Well, idle on this channel. We're developing now.
14:14
<fgiraldeau>
Good! I realy need to move to the talk of Ogra. see ya!
14:14
Realy cool to meet you sbalneav and vagrantc
14:16
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: I like your idea.
14:17
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: which one ?
14:17
fgiraldeau: so you're in portland ?
14:17
<sbalneav>
login hosts from the ssh_known hosts
14:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: yeah, i think that's the way to go. ideally create a nice frontend for updating ssh_known_hosts ...
14:18
<sbalneav>
The admin just sets up the keys, and then which host to log into can be done from the client.
14:18
<Gadi>
just tuning in, but with sbalneav's most excellent rc.d/ dir, I would favor being able to grab instruction on which server to connect to pre-login via ssh to the boot server
14:18
or some such
14:19
<sbalneav>
by the time you've got rc.d, you're already logged in :)
14:19
<Gadi>
ah, right
14:19
<sbalneav>
unless you disconnect, and reconnect elsewhere.
14:19
<Gadi>
nm
14:19
<vagrantc>
well, could could have several *.d for different purposes
14:20* Gadi crawls back in hole
14:20
<vagrantc>
or different phases
14:20
though important not to get too crazy.
14:20
<Gadi>
right
14:20
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: yeah, I'm assisting to the talk of ogra right now.
14:20
<vagrantc>
i sunk my enthusiam for lessdisks by going crazy with run-parts directories
14:20
<Gadi>
fgiraldeau: are you the sexy booth babe?
14:20
:)
14:21
<fgiraldeau>
What?
14:21
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: i probably won't be at the talks, but i'm in town. i'll be working at freegeek a bunch this week.... but i'd be happy to meet with folks.
14:21
<Gadi>
you know, the pretty one?
14:21
<vagrantc>
we should get some of the LTSP crowd in for a tour of freegeek
14:21
<Q-FUNK>
flirty penguin spotted.
14:21
<fgiraldeau>
Now, we didn't get to the hooters yet :)
14:22
<Gadi>
lol
14:22
<vagrantc>
although, most shamefully, freegeek is still running lessdisks
14:22
yay! lessdisks.net expired!
14:22
<Q-FUNK>
pity I didn't hear about the event earlier. i could have easily booked a flight on company expense
14:22
<fgiraldeau>
jammcq had reserved to a brezilian steakhouse for 6:30.
14:23
vagrantc: will you join?
14:23
<vagrantc>
steakhouse is probably not my kind of thing :)
14:23
<fgiraldeau>
One time will not kill you...
14:24
Come on :)
14:24
And usualy, there is a salad bar
14:24
<Gadi>
vagrantc: watching LTSP folk at a steakhouse is a spectator sport
14:24
<fgiraldeau>
That is much lighter
14:24
<vagrantc>
pfft.
14:24
<Q-FUNK>
you could kil your own eggplant, for a change
14:24
<whiprush>
I am going to have a cow just for me
14:24
<vagrantc>
i could rally some animal rights activists out front or something :)
14:25
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: would you happen to have your dbe61 with you there this week?
14:25
<vagrantc>
and hassle y'all on the way in
14:25
<whiprush>
I'll eat them too
14:25
<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: alas, I am not there
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14:25* vagrantc tries to think of a venue more agreeable to all parties
14:25
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: something tells me we're both missing on a great feast
14:26
<Gadi>
something tells me you are more than me
14:26
:)
14:26
<vagrantc>
oh, tonight i've got other commitments anyways
14:26
<Gadi>
I am as much a spectator as vagrantc
14:26
if not more so
14:26
:P
14:26
<Q-FUNK>
:-P
14:26
i like social gatherings and steak. so sue me :-P
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<fgiraldeau>
It's soo cool : ogra included the loadbalancing stuff in it's presentation.
14:37
With central users management
14:40
Time to lunch
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<rcy>
a friend and I were giving a presentation at a local lug a few years ago, and were offered dinner before the event at the Keg steakhouse. we are both vegans.
14:59* vagrantc could go for ethiopian sometime this week
15:03
<dberkholz>
my schedule's looking fairly open wednesday and thursday evening for dinner
15:07
well, more wednesday
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<servidor>
how was the other way to create a etherboot disk without using cat?
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<servidor>
can please some one tell me the way to create a diskete for a ltsp client?
15:16
in the room o matic says to use car but it seens to not work
15:17
<chupacabra>
I used to do it with dd. i dont think it has changed.
15:20
<servidor>
i get an error with dd
15:20
<chupacabra>
cat etherboot.zdsk > /dev/fd0 looks good too
15:21
<servidor>
input/output error
15:21
<sbalneav>
servidor: You could use rawrite in dos if you'd like
15:21
<chupacabra>
probably a bad floppy
15:21
<sbalneav>
but dd if=etherboot.zdsk of=/dev/fd0 bs=8192 should work
15:22
if not, I'd go with chupacabra and say bad floppy
15:22
<chupacabra>
yo scotty
15:22
<sbalneav>
hey chup
15:22
<chupacabra>
you good?
15:22
keeping jim in line?
15:23
<sbalneav>
heh, I do my thing :)
15:23
<servidor>
changet de diskette and get no error now im gona probe on the client
15:25
it worket thanks
15:25
<chupacabra>
sweet
15:26
<servidor>
it the kubuntu 7.04 i cant use a console to administrate the ltsp server, true?
15:26
how do i see if my dhcp is up
15:26
?
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<iMav>
any clue how the thin client offerings from disklessworkstations.com play with wide aspect displays? (and LTSP, of course)
16:12
I'm planning on setting up a 5 client LTSP setup with new thin client equipment and want to know what the best options for LCD displays would be (hense my question about wide aspect displays).
16:13
<sbalneav>
iMav: I'd email disklessworkstations.com and ask. I'm pretty sure they'll have that info.
16:14
<iMav>
sbalneav: ok, thanks. I figured some people here would have some of their equipment...but asking over several days here seems to indicate that that is not the case. :)
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<sbalneav>
I do have some of their equipment, but I've never used it at anything other than "standard" resolutions. i.e. 1280x1024 and 1600x1200
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<iMav>
ok, emails sent off to disklessworkstations.com and disklessthinclents.com. :)
16:30
I don't have a problem buying SXGA+ and UXGA displays...but since I'm buying all new equipment, if wide aspect displays will work nicely, might as well go that route.
16:31
I'm also wondering if there is a tipping point regarding minimum CPU/RAM/etc where there starts to be a significant fall off in regards to performance, boot time, etc (with LTSP 5.0).
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<jammcq>
hola
16:33
<iMav>
sbalneav: which thin clients from disklessworkstations.com do you have/regularly use?
16:36
<ogra>
jammcq, where do you hide ?
16:36
<sbalneav>
Bunch of them
16:36
<jammcq>
ogra: i'm in a session on Postgres
16:36
<sbalneav>
150, 125, 225, etc.
16:36
<jammcq>
it'll be over at 5pm
16:36
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq, update some indexes for me :)
16:36
<ogra>
no 170 ?
16:36
<sbalneav>
No, I don't have a 170.
16:36
<jammcq>
no 1220 ?
16:37
<sbalneav>
it's one of the few I don't have
16:37
Which one's the 1220?
16:37
That the hp box?
16:37
<jammcq>
no
16:37
it's black and red
16:37
red bezel on a black case
16:37
<sbalneav>
No, I don't have that one.
16:38
well, time for me to pedal 12 km home
16:38
<jammcq>
heh
16:38
bike ride today,eh?
16:38
<sbalneav>
in 91F (32c) weather.
16:38
<jammcq>
or did you install pedals in your car ?
16:38
<sbalneav>
I'll be a bit damp
16:38
<ogra>
ugh
16:38* vagrantc needs to find a bike again
16:39
<jammcq>
vagrantc: where were you today? you shoulda been here to support ogra
16:39
although he did a great job, even without the support :)
16:39
<ogra>
thanks :)
16:39
<dberkholz>
ogra: got slides anywhere yet?
16:39
<sbalneav>
night all, I'll be on later
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<iMav>
so, for those others that have the LTSP thin client appliances (as sbalneav is leaving)...is there a minimum configuration (CPU, RAM, etc) with which you see a significant hit in performance/boot times/etc if you fall below?
16:40
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSP_talk_ubuntulive.pdf
16:40
dberkholz, ^^^^^
16:40
<dberkholz>
sweet, thanks
16:40
<vagrantc>
jammcq: recovering from two consecutive days of partying
16:40
<jammcq>
ogra: my last name ends in 'an', not 'ian'
16:40
<dberkholz>
ogra: 403
16:41
<ogra>
jammcq, eeek
16:41
<jammcq>
yeah, I missed that in the review of your slides
16:41
<vagrantc>
is ubuntu-live open to the public ?
16:41
<jammcq>
but, that's ok
16:41
<ogra>
dberkholz, i got it open here ...
16:41
<vagrantc>
i'm doing some hardware hacking... need to have it finished by tonight, pretty much
16:41
<dberkholz>
wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSP_talk_ubuntulive.pdf
16:41
... Connecting to people.ubuntu.com|82.211.81.132|:80... connected.
16:41
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
16:41
<ogra>
strange
16:41
<jammcq>
ogra: I'm getting forbidden too
16:42
but I grabbed it earlier
16:42
<ogra>
yeah
16:42
i added your fix
16:42
seems copying it over chmodded it
16:42
<dberkholz>
umask?
16:43
<ogra>
try again
16:43
<dberkholz>
working
16:43
<ogra>
great :)
16:43
<dberkholz>
ogra: a little uncomfortable with the "confidential" at the bottom
16:43
<ogra>
heh, yes i only discovered it to late
16:44
<jammcq>
btw, the ltsp wiki seems to be down.
16:44
I can't connect to it
16:44
<ogra>
the template had that
16:44
<jammcq>
and it's 1800 miles away from me right now :(
16:44
<ogra>
gah
16:44
yeah its gone
16:44
vagrantc, i'll leave wed. 8:30 am ...
16:45
<vagrantc>
meh.
16:45
<ogra>
so tomorrow is my last day
16:45
ah, o'rilley keynote now
16:46
<dberkholz>
ogra: there's a typo in the screenshot of the thin client manager. "any may" -> "and may". other than that, the gui apps look awesome though
16:47
<ogra>
well, the second slide are only mockups yet :)
16:47
there is no working backend to the gui
16:47
i'll fix the typo, thanks for nticing
16:47
<dberkholz>
ogra: we should get ltsp people together tuesday pm then. i'm free after dinner till 10, afaik
16:48
<ogra>
great
16:48
i know jim was planning soemthing tonight though
16:48
<dberkholz>
i'm not in town till tomorrow
16:48
<ogra>
ah
16:48
<jammcq>
brazilian tonight
16:48
<dberkholz>
i'm skipping your wacky ubuntu conference. =P
16:49
<ogra>
pfft and i even mentioned gentoo in my talk
16:49
<vagrantc>
i'll be free after 7 on tuesday
16:49
<ogra>
(and i dint make *any* joke about compiling)
16:50
<dberkholz>
ogra: heh, thanks
16:50
i think i'll make a few of those during my talk
16:50
<ogra>
heh
16:50
<vagrantc>
this weekend has been too damned busy to do everything
16:50
<dberkholz>
my talk summary is even a pun for those who know something about gentoo
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<ogra>
"the future is here, just not evenly distributed yet"
17:00
*grin*
17:01
wow, o'rilley praises LP a *lot*
17:01
<whiprush>
yeah, surprising
17:01
<dberkholz>
LP?
17:01
<ogra>
launchpad
17:01
<dberkholz>
oh.
17:01
i'll be happy to praise it once the rest of it goes OSS
17:01
<ogra>
well, he's right
17:01
<dberkholz>
was really nice to see storm
17:01
<ogra>
it wont ...
17:01
at least not in the near future
17:02
it would break the concept of LP if anyone would open a second LP
17:02
<slipttees>
hey
17:02
<dberkholz>
ogra: not if they can talk to each other
17:02
<ogra>
still
17:02
<slipttees>
parametr for set screen ?
17:02
X_MODE_0 ?
17:02
<dberkholz>
ah, this was the quote that made me think more of it would be
17:02
"This will be the first complete Launchpad component to be released as open source software."
17:03
<slipttees>
doc about this configs?
17:04
<ogra>
dberkholz, its one component
17:04
<vagrantc>
slipttees: X_MODE_0=1024x768 should work on ltsp 4.x and debian based LTSP 5 ... but i think it's broken on some versions of ubuntu LTSP 5
17:04
<dberkholz>
right. but when you say the first, that implies more. if not the whole thing.
17:04
<ogra>
and it shall show that, oce the software is in, we'll go on to reales the rest
17:04
<dberkholz>
anyway, we're way OT here
17:05
<ogra>
yeah
17:05
<dberkholz>
i've gotta do some work for my real job. bbl
17:05
<slipttees>
vagrantc, ltsp5 ?
17:05
<ogra>
vagrantc, you need to use X_HORZSYNC, X_VERTREFERSH in ubuntu in all releases
17:05
<slipttees>
X_MODE_0 dont work ?
17:05
<vagrantc>
!ltsp5
17:05
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
17:05
<ogra>
(not in gutsy though)
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<ogra>
vagrantc, wiki is down
17:07
<vagrantc>
slipttees: the ltsp-server packages in ubuntu and debian are "ltsp 5" implementations.
17:07
<slipttees>
dawm
17:07
wink down :(
17:08
<ogra>
nice, o'rilley considers LP to be typically web 2.0
17:09
<slipttees>
vagrantc, workstation dont set correct screen...screen dont suported!! :)
17:09
:(
17:09
640x480@600
17:09
<ogra>
slipttees, which distro
17:09
<slipttees>
default is 1024x768 :(
17:09
Ubuntu 7.04
17:10
<ogra>
look up the right horizontal sync and vertical refresh values for your monitor
17:10
add them to lts.conf
17:10
that should help
17:10
<slipttees>
640x480@60
17:10
all monitors!
17:10
<vagrantc>
the @60 part isn't supported
17:11
<slipttees>
:(
17:11
???
17:11
<ogra>
slipttees, see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz for the right variables
17:11
<vagrantc>
X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
17:11
use those
17:11
<ogra>
or use a static xorg.conf
17:11
<slipttees>
wiki dont have this parameters ?
17:12
<ogra>
slipttees, they are specific to your HW
17:12
s/HW/monitor/
17:12
googling for the model/make of your monitor should help
17:12
<fgiraldeau>
ogra: seems that it could be a good idea to add freq settings onto the gui that you're planning
17:12
<ogra>
or look at the handbook
17:13
<slipttees>
Pentium 100 24Mb ram Monitor Samuray max 640x480@60
17:13
<ogra>
fgiraldeau, gutsy uses X_MODE
17:13
we do X detection differently
17:13
<slipttees>
gusty no releases yet!
17:13
<ogra>
so thats not really needed anymore
17:14
slipttees, find out the values and set these variables
17:14
<slipttees>
humm
17:14
ogra, :-*
17:14
thx for support man!
17:15
<ogra>
(or get monitors that report the DDC right)
17:15
<slipttees>
ogra, ltsp5 still support Isa cards ?
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: as well as the host distro does
17:17
<slipttees>
*-) ??
17:18
yep or nope ?
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: if you are running ubuntu, and LTSP 5 based on ubuntu, then your hardware support will be the same for LTSP and ubuntu.
17:21
<slipttees>
ahhhhh ok thx :-*
17:22
<jamie>
when I plug a usb device into my client Compaqu ssf it does not auto mount using fuse. But my hp laptop as a client does. If I reboot my ssf then fuse mounts the device. Any ideas?
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<jamie>
ok could any help with with a command to mount the device with out a reboot?
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<slipttees>
ups
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<johnny>
hi folks, i'm having trouble finding the ldm patch to enable autologin, can somebody give me the url ?
17:54
or even better, a binary
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<klausade>
johnny: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
18:16* ogra gave him the LP url with the patch altready in #edubuntu ;)
18:16
<klausade>
ok
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<jammcq>
ogra: where is your hotel?
19:08
<ogra>
the red lion across the crossing
19:08
the wiki is back btw
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<ogra>
(in case you didnt notice yet)
19:09
<jammcq>
oh?
19:09* jammcq wonders how that is possible
19:10
<jammcq>
I had my daughter take the interface down, and back up. when eth0 came back up, it got a 192.168.. address, instead of the normal public address
19:10
<ogra>
no idea
19:10
i had a "no route to host" error
19:10
<jammcq>
dunno how it fixed itself
19:10
<ogra>
probably only a router hickup
19:12
<jammcq>
I have 2 new neighbors, and I was thinking something happened when they got connected
19:14
<ogra>
yeah, might have been a headend outage
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<jammcq>
ogra: we're heading over near you.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<sbalneav>
Evening otavio
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<johnny>
hi folks, i'm trying to get two imacs to netboot, but i don't know how to proceed
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i don't know much about macs
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<johnny>
i have my dhcp server serving up the proper options (i think)
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and i have a powerpc instance in /opt/ltsp
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now i just need to know how to configure the clients
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<sbalneav>
ogra'd be the person you want there, but I happen to know he's indisposed at the moment. :)
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<johnny>
as in drunk?
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lol
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<sbalneav>
Have you installed yaboot on the server?
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<johnny>
yes
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or wait..
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<sbalneav>
Not yet, but he's on his way to dinner.
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<johnny>
i have a yaboot b inary
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in the tftproot
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<sbalneav>
All I know is it has something to do with yaboot.
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<johnny>
yes :)
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i know that much :)
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<sbalneav>
Have you checked the mailing list archives>
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<johnny>
is there a good way to search them?
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hmm are they on nabble or something similiar?
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<sbalneav>
GIYF
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<johnny>
google sucks
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<sbalneav>
add +ltsp-discuss
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pfft, yeah right
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<johnny>
i had to read a page in french to configure dhcp correctly :)
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<sbalneav>
Life's tough.
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<johnny>
sadly there's only 8 results from typing in yaboot ltsp-discuss into google
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i was looking at "yaboot ltsp" but that didn't help much either
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<sbalneav>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
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http://elliot.ecowizards.com/wp/archives/2006/05/18/ltsp-booting-old-mac-hardware/
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I got buckets of results
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<sbalneav>
The second one even gives you all the vendor codes you'll need in dhcpd.conf to make it work.
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<sbalneav>
Here's some more: http://k12os.org/?q=aggregator/sources/3
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more dhcpd goodness
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<johnny>
yaboot ltsp has tons of results for sure
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but not with ltsp-discuss
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i found ltspcrossarch setup but that was very useless
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it says that you need specific options in dhcpd.conf but fails to give them
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i did use it to build the client tho
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and that was good
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but it doesn't tell you anything else tho
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most of the stuff i found seemed to require more intimate knowledge of yaboot or openfirmware than i currently have
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<sbalneav>
Did you look up the ecowizards link?
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it GIVES you the dhcpd.conf example.
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As for yaboot documentation itself, http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/
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<Drock>
hi
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<iMav>
hello
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<Drock>
i have a one small trouble
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my usb touchscreen doesnt work with ltsp 4.2
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<iMav>
that seems like more than a small trouble. :)
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<Drock>
well, yes
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<sbalneav>
Did you set the touchscreen variables like gadi advised you this morning?
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<sbalneav>
Lets have a look at your lts.conf file. Paste it to the pastebot, please.
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!pastbot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "pastbot" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<Drock>
yes, USE_TOUCH = Y
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<iMav>
"USE_TOUCH = Y"??? why does the config file have to be so dang cryptic??? :)
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<sbalneav>
I beleive there's more to it than that.
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Have a look in the lts.conf.example file.
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it's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc as well.
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<ltsppbot>
"Drock" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/229
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<sbalneav>
You need such parameters as:
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X_TOUCH_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" or whatever the device is X_TOUCH_TYPE = D
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etc.
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so there's some more stuff you need, I think
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<Drock>
ok,now it try
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<iMav>
is this thread relevant? http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26020.html
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<Drock>
I think this is what I need