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Channel log from 13 March 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<Comete>
hi
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i'm looking for a way to make sure visual effect are disable for all users. Any idea ?
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<Appiah>
Comete: for lockdowns and making a template user and such use sabayon
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or else you can do something with gconf and such gnome tools
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<Comete>
Appiah: nice i will look at it, thanks
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<Comete>
exit
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oops :)
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bye
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<nubae>
there is a surprising amount of really good templates for openoffice now... as compared to a couple years back
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highvoltage: u there?
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<highvoltage>
nubae: yep. hi
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<nubae>
oh, hi highvoltage
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carrying where we left of yesterday
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I've done packaging for redhat and suse
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but not for .debs...
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However, I'd like to learn
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Is there something relatively simple I could start with?
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thats always the problem, finding some source to package that isn't a huge stack of disjointed items...
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at least thats the way it is with rpms
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greets alkisg
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<alkisg>
Hi nubae
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<nubae>
I just found pastebin kde widget... super little useful thing
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for folks like us
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http://imagebin.ca/view/IkA2LXW.html -- tell me what u think
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<alkisg>
If you're considering moodle, it's is already packaged, so it should be a good place to start
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<nubae>
constructive criticism welcome
04:56
well moodle is quite big... lots of different things
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but if u think I can handle it I'll try
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is the greek correct in the images?
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<alkisg>
GNOSIS? Yup, it's fine
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I'd use a text path in gimp to bend the letters in the diploma, though
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<nubae>
the ischis dia tis gnoseos too?
04:58
bend how do u mean?
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not sure I understand
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<alkisg>
Ah I didn't see that. Yeah, that's fine too
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<nubae>
which do u prefer, orange or green?
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<alkisg>
http://www.gimpers.com/how-to-make-curved-text-in-gimp/
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<nubae>
ah so its not so flat u mean?
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<alkisg>
Or http://gimp-tutorials.net/gimp-text-to-path-tutorial
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Yeah, so it has the same angle as the diploma
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<nubae>
ok thanks.... green or orange?
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<alkisg>
orange
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<nubae>
yeah more modern I think...
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hehe, love the fact it must be a 11 or 12 year old in the video
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btw, I used inkscape
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<alkisg>
Ah, well it sure supports curved text too
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<nubae>
yeah
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is there a smaller source i can practice on to turn into an edubuntu approved .deb?
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<nubae>
alkisg: should I use this?
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https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
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<alkisg>
nubae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
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<Jinux>
Hey
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got a question:
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Is there anyway to customise the client chroot
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so they only get certain menu options etc..
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?
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<alkisg>
The chroot? The menus are the server menus...
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<Jinux>
yeah
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<alkisg>
So you need to customize the server menus, not the chroot
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<Jinux>
that seems silly
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<alkisg>
E.g. "edubuntu menus" has support for different menus per group, if that's what you're looking
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Well, ltsp clients work on the server...
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<Jinux>
ooh that sounds what im looking for yeah
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I'm just thinking, for example: I want Add/Remove Applications in the server menu but not the clients menu
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so getting rid of it on the server so that it's not in the client image seems silly
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<alkisg>
So you can put that only for "group=admin"
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<Jinux>
hmmm alright.
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<alkisg>
Well, the client image doesn't have any menus at all
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It just makes a "remote desktop" connection to the server
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So you can't remove any menus from the chroot, because it doesn't have any...
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<Jinux>
Ooooooooooohhh
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i see!!
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sorry for my stupidity :P
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<alkisg>
Nah, LTSP does that to people the first months :D
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<Jinux>
btw, remember when you helped 'cluster' out the other day alkisg? That was me :P
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Thanks alot for being patient :)
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<alkisg>
Ah, you keep changing names...
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Tricky :)
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<Jinux>
yeah i know, sorry
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different machines
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<alkisg>
I think you were using another one yesterday also... j* something
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<Jinux>
joeasaurus
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<alkisg>
Right, that one
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<Jinux>
yeah
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I only just got the hang of the nickserv thing like
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an hour ago :P
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<alkisg>
Heh
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Are you using fat clients? I don't remember...
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Because for fat clients things are different, the chroot indeed has menus there
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<Jinux>
we are atm as we're just setting up LTSP as a fun-learny type thing
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but the command i use to make the chroot is
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ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --ltsp-cluster --prompt-rootpass
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<alkisg>
OK, yeah then you need to use edubuntu-menus or sabayon or something similar
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<Jinux>
ill have a look at edubuntu-menus
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<Jinux>
sounds perfect
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<Mathis>
hello
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<Jinux>
im thinking though, will I need to set it twice over our two application servers, or is there a file i can just mirror?
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<Mathis>
I have installed Ubuntu 9.10 and all updates in a virtual machine and followed LTSP > Wiki > ubuntuusers.de - everything works fine so far
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<alkisg>
Jinux: http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/16/say-hi-edubuntu-menu-editor
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<Jinux>
thanks :)
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Keep an eye our - 95% chance ill be back :P
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out*
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<Mathis>
havent found anything about how to start a ssh daemon on the clients, how do I do that?
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<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/PasswordlessSSH
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<Mathis>
thanks
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<alkisg>
Mathis: there _are_ some security concerns about installing an ssh server on the clients...
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<Mathis>
doesnt matter, its a private network
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<alkisg>
OK
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<Mathis>
I'm using it for transcoding DVDs in a cluster
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<Mathis>
installing openssh-server in the LTSP chroot failed trying to restart the service
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<alkisg>
It shouldn't be a problem...
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<Mathis>
strange, when trying to log into a client, it asks me for the clients root password, but it replies "Permission denied, please try again."
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does LTSP have an own root password?
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<alkisg>
There are no users in the ltsp chroot
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There's only the root account, which is locked, if we're talking about ubuntu
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<Mathis>
we are
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I have booted the client in another vm and a root shell is automatically logged in
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<alkisg>
That's why I wrote about "passwordless ssh' in that page...
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That's just a shell, you can't login as root as there's no password
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You can define a password if you want, though
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
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<Mathis>
not really
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but thanks
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it now works fine
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<Mathis>
after.local script in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d seems not to be executed, is this being changed since last year?
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I'd like to auto-mount an NFS exported directory on my server to every client, thats why I use after.local for mounting
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<alkisg>
Afaik you need to put it in an rc.d directory to get executed, not just in init.d
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<Mathis>
someone here told me a year ago, I have to put it in init.d, iirc
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based on this and many other infos I wrote this howto: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Transcoding
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<alkisg>
Did he also tell you to run update-rd.d ?
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*rc.d ?
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<Mathis>
no
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<alkisg>
Try: man update-rc.d
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<alkisg>
Afaik an rc.d symlink is needed for the script to get executed...
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<Mathis>
I could also simply edit etc/rc.local
15:22* alkisg wonders if an NFS_MOUNT lts.conf parameter would be more useful than the newly-introduced NFS_HOME...
15:22* Mathis too
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<alkisg>
But I guess you could also use /home for that, couldn't you?
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I.e. mount /server/some/dir to the client /home ?
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And use it from there?
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<Mathis>
no, since I am using root
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<alkisg>
So? doesn't root have access to /home?
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<Mathis>
and the servers exported directory is in some servers users home dir
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<alkisg>
So?
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<Mathis>
transcode expects the data in /root/dvdrip-data
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<alkisg>
export server:/home/someuser/dir, mount to client:/home, and use it from there
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ln -s /home /root/dvdrip-data
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<Mathis>
I just mount it using rc.local
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<alkisg>
Yeah, I'm just saying that with the latest ltsp, you don't need rc.local.
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Anyway...
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<Mathis>
also I need to apply some specific parameters to mount.nfs
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rc.local has not been executed too
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ah, need to enable the script
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still not being run at starttime
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<abeehc>
i didn't have luck
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till specifying in lts.conf
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RCFILE_02 = /etc/rc.local
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<vagrantc>
Mathis: you could also use RC_FILE_01=/path/to/your/script
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in lts.conf
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<abeehc>
my 01 is the resolv.conf fix script thing for localapps
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<Mathis>
ah, thanks
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<vagrantc>
oops, yeah... RCFILE_XX
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: what's a good line for nfs /home mounting? Is `/home *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)` OK ?
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<johnny>
alkisg, NFS_MOUNT_01="/home" ?
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<Mathis>
vagrantc: do I have to supply servers full path or clients full path?
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<alkisg>
johnny: would we also need the server export? Or the nfs parameters? I don't know...
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...or the complete line?
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E.g. maybe an "FSTAB_ENTRY=xxx" :D
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<johnny>
no.. if it's not mounted..
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err
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if it doesn't exist on the server.. it should silently fail
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idon't think we should be mssing around with exports file on the server
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at least until we have a more api like access to that file
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<alkisg>
johnny: no, I mean, maybe someone has exported /nfshome on his server, and he wants to mount _that_ as the client /home
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<johnny>
ah
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<alkisg>
So, we'd need to know 2 things - the export name, and the mount point
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...and maybe the mount params...
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So maybe an FSTAB_ENTRY would be the most generic thing to have
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<johnny>
ah true
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and we already have that option
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<alkisg>
We do?
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<johnny>
don't we?
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or is it just CONFIGURE_FSTAB then?
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maybe that's what i'm remembering..
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<alkisg>
Just that, afaik
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i don't mess with writeable NFS :P
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<alkisg>
I don't think we have a mechanism for CONFIGURE_FSTAB=true _and_ add an additional entry there...
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vagrantc: heh, ok. Sorry but it's the only way I've found so far for evolution to work on fat clients. :)
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<vagrantc>
Mathis: relative to the client... it's code that runs on the client.
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<Mathis>
thanks
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interesting... I found the client:/etc/init.d/rc.local which comments that it starts the client:/etc/rc.local if it exists
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so I can assume, this script is malfunctioning
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<abeehc>
i don't see how
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the script probly works fine as is
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just doesn't get executed
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hence the lts.conf declaration
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<Mathis>
right
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now it got executed
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