IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

01:09jammcq has joined #ltsp
01:23MoL0ToV has joined #ltsp
01:28Faithful has quit IRC
01:28mwright1 has joined #ltsp
01:28Faithful has joined #ltsp
01:29
<mwright1>
Hello, just wandering if anyone has tried LTSP with an INtel Duo 2 quadro processor (quad core)
01:29
and how it performed?
01:54MoL0ToV has quit IRC
01:58MoL0ToV has joined #ltsp
02:27Faithful has quit IRC
02:28Faithful has joined #ltsp
02:57
<Kamping_Kaiser>
i havent, but that would be ...um. fast, is my gues
03:43yanu has quit IRC
03:51muh2000_ has joined #ltsp
03:58bobby_C has joined #ltsp
04:05muh2000 has quit IRC
04:05Faithful has quit IRC
04:06Faithful has joined #ltsp
04:19MoL0ToV has left #ltsp
05:09bobby_C has quit IRC
05:19Sp0oKeR has joined #ltsp
05:30Skarmeth has joined #ltsp
05:50yanu has joined #ltsp
06:02_rodrigo_ has joined #ltsp
06:02Alexandre has joined #ltsp
06:38Avatara has quit IRC
06:38Avatara has joined #ltsp
06:41Mortice has joined #ltsp
07:02msinhore has quit IRC
07:03egypcio has quit IRC
07:18rjune has joined #ltsp
07:18|Arsenic| has joined #ltsp
07:19msinhore has joined #ltsp
07:19|Arsenic| is now known as Arsenick-TC2L
07:21egypcio has joined #ltsp
07:27bronze has joined #ltsp
07:42MoL0ToV has joined #ltsp
07:44MoL0ToV has quit IRC
07:45Mortice has quit IRC
07:53MoL0ToV has joined #ltsp
07:56Alexandre has quit IRC
07:58bobby_C has joined #ltsp
08:13bjohnson has joined #ltsp
08:20fgiraldeau has joined #ltsp
08:33cliebow has joined #ltsp
08:34
<cliebow>
jammcq:Hey!
08:37FernandoMM has quit IRC
08:48fgiraldeau has quit IRC
09:06MoL0ToV has quit IRC
09:19FernandoMM has joined #ltsp
09:22moose5435 has quit IRC
09:40fgiraldeau has joined #ltsp
09:50
<jammcq>
cliebow: hey
09:52jammcq has quit IRC
09:57EasilyOdd has quit IRC
09:58efra has joined #ltsp
10:12J45p3r_ has joined #ltsp
10:17FernandoMM has quit IRC
10:28bobby_C has quit IRC
10:45ogra has joined #ltsp
10:46highvoltage has quit IRC
10:57sbalneav has joined #ltsp
11:03J45p3r_ has quit IRC
11:05moose5435 has joined #ltsp
11:05arc_ has left #ltsp
11:08laprag has joined #ltsp
11:14Gadi has joined #ltsp
11:15monteslu has quit IRC
11:18egypcio has quit IRC
11:43
<fgiraldeau>
About lbus : I can't find it in ubuntu packages. Is it missing?
11:45
Well, I'm a bit confused, because without it, I can't figure out how the signal is sent to server with a local device is inserted.
11:46
<cliebow>
did you install thr server side packages from ltsp?
11:47
or is this t\ltsp-server-standalone which doesnt quite yet support localdevs
11:49moose5435 has quit IRC
11:49
<McPolo>
It seems to be that better still install ltsp from ltsp.org than use distro's own cludges.
11:50ogra has quit IRC
11:52
<Gadi>
fgiraldeau: hey!!
11:53
in Muekow, lbus is not used, bacuse a socket connection is made through the ssh connection in ldm
11:54
this is why straight X + localdev is not supported in Ubuntu Muekow atm
11:54
Scotty is working on a new system that will work for both, using Xatoms
11:57
<moquist>
Gadi: hey!!
11:58
<Gadi>
hey hey!
11:58
where you at?
11:58
<moquist>
1 meter to the front and left
11:58
<Gadi>
1 meter? geesh --> you new englanders
11:59
<moquist>
it's the international influence of all these developers...
11:59jammcq has joined #ltsp
11:59
<jammcq>
hey all
11:59
<Gadi>
norm!
11:59
<jammcq>
:)
11:59
<Gadi>
the usual, Mr Peterson?
12:00
<jammcq>
the usual
12:00* jammcq doesn't remember most of the norm'isms
12:10
<laprag>
so the conference is good so far?
12:11
<jammcq>
laprag: hey, how's it going in houston?
12:11
<laprag>
oh you know, boring stuff
12:11
wondering when i can go home
12:11
<jammcq>
have you fallen asleep in any meetings lately?
12:11
I was doing that yesterday
12:12
<laprag>
heh, no, not lately :)
12:12
did anyone make any notes of the wiki structure we wrote on the board in SF?
12:12
<jammcq>
did we have a structure?
12:13
<Gadi>
no beer and no tv makes jammcq something something
12:13
<laprag>
at least a set of items to include. that is a start
12:13
<jammcq>
hmm, I didn't save that
12:14
but I did create a wiki page that included the links that we thought of
12:14
<laprag>
well, mark's testiculating should keep you guys awake :)
12:14
<jammcq>
http://wiki1.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome
12:14
<laprag>
jammcq: is it on the wiki1?
12:14
ah ok
12:14
<jammcq>
laprag: the stuff on the left side of the screen is pretty much what was on the list
12:15
<laprag>
right
12:15
wasn't there something about friends and partners?
12:16
<jammcq>
yeah, we had that on the paper
12:16
I think we were gonna put that under 'Community'
12:16
but i'm not sure
12:17
<laprag>
So basically you want the left column to be the TOC for the front page of the wiki?
12:18
<jammcq>
umm, not necessarily the entire TOC
12:18
in fact, there's probably too many things on the left now
12:18
we should consolidate somewhat
12:19
'Mailinglists' might be better on the 'Getting involved' and 'Support' pages
12:19
i'm open to suggestions on that
12:20
<laprag>
and perhaps documentation under support.
12:20
<jammcq>
perhaps
12:20
<laprag>
is Hardware a link to diskless?
12:20
disklessworkstations.com
12:20
<jammcq>
it's a link to a page that includes things like 'Diskless' and 'Symbiont' and other "LTSP Certified" places
12:21
<laprag>
right
12:21
<jammcq>
and also, we should have a 'Hardware Compatibility' guide
12:21
<laprag>
umm ok
12:22
Lunchtime :)
12:22
<Gadi>
my ears were ringing
12:27ogra has joined #ltsp
12:33
<cliebow>
Scottie:i see you hiding over there
12:33
<jammcq>
cliebow: hey
12:34
<cliebow>
having fuyn?
12:34
not as much fun as bts id bet 8~)
12:34
<jammcq>
cliebow: how was the flight home?
12:35
<cliebow>
it was good..except in Minneapolis they werent going to let me back thru security x\cause the boarding pass had a couple transposed letters
12:36
<jammcq>
heh
12:36
I saw that on the original itinerary
12:36
figured it wouldn't be a problem
12:36
<cliebow>
i got sent to Continental desk where they whisked mr thru pilots security checkpoint..
12:36
and all was well..
12:36
<jammcq>
cool
12:37
<cliebow>
but i was sweatin bullets there for a minute
12:37
<jammcq>
sure
12:37
stuck in MN
12:37
<cliebow>
i got home around 10 pm
12:37
<jammcq>
wow, long day
12:38
<cliebow>
yeah..i was smart to get a nights sleep on Friday instead of doing the jazz bar
12:39
i cant get this image of some poor bastard sitting in that toilet on market...surfing the internet with trasks laptop
12:39
8~)
12:39
<jammcq>
heh
12:39
<cliebow>
what is he doing at mtv? shmoozing 8~)
12:40
<jammcq>
yeah, he's loving it here
12:40
<cliebow>
heh
12:45One has joined #ltsp
12:45
<sbalneav>
McPolo: Seeing as how we're adopting Ubuntu's "cludges", you might want to re-think that statement :)
12:46One has quit IRC
12:46
<McPolo>
sbalneav: Ofcourse, and ofcourse distro's own packages are usually better, package handling is not mixed up with random self maked software.
12:46* jammcq must have missed some talk of cludges
12:48
<cliebow>
or is it kludges
12:48
<fgiraldeau>
it was launchtime for mee too
12:49
<McPolo>
sbalneav: And as I've read something what's coming, it seems to be very nice.
12:59Sp0oKeR has quit IRC
13:05brich has joined #ltsp
13:08_rodrigo_ has quit IRC
13:08drbreen has joined #ltsp
13:09_rodrigo_ has joined #ltsp
13:10drbreen has quit IRC
13:14klausade has joined #ltsp
13:16_rodrigo_ has quit IRC
13:16klausade has quit IRC
13:18_rodrigo_ has joined #ltsp
13:25brich has left #ltsp
13:28andresmujica has joined #ltsp
13:31moose5435 has joined #ltsp
13:32rstory has joined #ltsp
13:33
<rstory>
hello again. I'm still having problems with the X screensaver overriding my kde screensaver...
13:33laprag has quit IRC
13:33
<rstory>
i used xset to disable the x screensaver, but something is turning it back on... not sure if it's ltsp or fedora..
13:34
if I set the timeout to something large (say 600), then query it every few seconds, I see it change to 0 for about a minute, then change to 70 (the original value)
13:34klausade has joined #ltsp
13:35
<rstory>
anyone else seen anything like then? google isn't being very helpful..
13:38floydwilde has joined #ltsp
13:39
<rstory>
hmm.. found someone else w/the same problem (http://www.filibeto.org/pipermail/sunray-users/2006-June.txt), but no solution..
13:47
<jammcq>
rstory: maybe it's in the bios
13:48
<Gadi>
rstory: what desktop are you running?
13:48
<rstory>
kde
13:49
<Gadi>
hmm... and its not a kde setting that's doing it?
13:49
<rstory>
jammcq: hmmm.. would seem odd for the bios to take a new value, then reset it.. but i'll check it out..
13:50
Gadi: no, my kde screensaver kicks in, the shortly thereafter the X one kicks in.. either with the X logo, or a blank screen..
13:50
<jammcq>
true
13:50
<Gadi>
have you tried uninstalling Xscreensaver?
13:50mwright1 has left #ltsp
13:51
<rstory>
no.. interesting idea...
13:52
<fgiraldeau>
Hi there
13:52
<jammcq>
rstory: what version of LTSP are you using?
13:52
<fgiraldeau>
And so, how does the meeting is going
13:53
<rstory>
jammcq: 4.2
13:54
<fgiraldeau>
Gadi: I wonder what is Xatoms...
13:54
<rstory>
Gadi: but 'locate Xscreensaver' isn't finding it, and it's not in my path. :-/
13:54
<ogra>
rstory, try without the capitalized X :)
13:54
<jammcq>
rstory: try all lower-case
13:54
:)
13:55
<ogra>
:)
13:58
<mocker>
rstory: You can also try adding 'xset s off' to the user's .Xclients
14:02
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: X atoms are "names" of properties that can be applied to windows.
14:03
Properties can be used to either hold well-defined attributes that programs, or the window manager use, or, arbitrary bits of information that applications wish to track.
14:06
<fgiraldeau>
And so, the message that a local device is available may be send through X11, is it?
14:06
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: That's what I'm working on over the next two weeks, yes.
14:07
<fgiraldeau>
Cool. And where is the code?
14:08
Well, I've been working on mille-xterm for a long time, and there are so many differences
14:08
I'm trying to learn how does that it has been implemented into Ubuntu.
14:09
<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: Code's on my laptop :)
14:09* jammcq sure hopes that sbalneav is doing backups
14:09
<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: hey, how are you doing?
14:09
<fgiraldeau>
I'm fine, thanks
14:10
Hope you too!
14:10
<ogra>
fgiraldeau, in ubuntu we have an ssh tunel for the X display ... that offers us t have a communication socket alongside ...
14:10
s/offers us t/enables us to/
14:11
<fgiraldeau>
Well, I saw that, but there is also XDMCP that *may* be supported, and I don't see how does the EPSPEAKER variable is set, for example.
14:11
<sbalneav>
jammcq: rsync'ed to home earlier today :)
14:11
<fgiraldeau>
Not everything is working with gdm, for example.
14:11
<jammcq>
sbalneav: cool. with the way laptops are dying around us, it's good to back it up
14:11
<ogra>
fgiraldeau, XDMCP isnt supported in ubuntu yet ... you can run XDMCP but will be missing features
14:11
<fgiraldeau>
Ok, that's right.
14:11
<sbalneav>
And that's the bit I'm working on.
14:12
<jammcq>
sbalneav: in fact, eHarrison is keeping his bottle of water on the floor, to prevent any more problems
14:12
<sbalneav>
:
14:12
:)
14:12
<ogra>
we'll fix that during this development cycle (even ubuntu will continue to default to ssh)
14:12
<sbalneav>
brb, gotta test a logout.
14:12sbalneav has quit IRC
14:12
<fgiraldeau>
For that reason, there are scripts that are launched by Xession, that sets the ESPEAKER variable. Isn't a good choice?
14:14egypcio has joined #ltsp
14:14
<fgiraldeau>
I will give another example of such a tricky thing : setting XMMS to use esd
14:14egypcio has left #ltsp
14:14
<fgiraldeau>
Well, we have to set it in the user's home directory
14:15egypcio has joined #ltsp
14:16moose5435 has quit IRC
14:16
<fgiraldeau>
But, that's the gory details :)
14:17
What I would like to do is to integrate for the next release of Ubuntu : the loadbalancer.
14:18
<Gadi>
fgiraldeau: what services do you loadbalance?
14:18
<fgiraldeau>
Application servers, to redirect the user to less loaded server based on the load, memory usage and such.
14:19
<Gadi>
is that a client process or a server process?
14:19g333k_work has quit IRC
14:20
<fgiraldeau>
There is an agent, that runs on every application server, and a server that harvests values and calculate optimal application server for the next client
14:21
<Gadi>
and the server runs on the client?
14:21
<fgiraldeau>
The client basicaly does a get on the server to obtain the ip of the optimal server
14:21
<Gadi>
hmm.... have you thought of using SNMP as the agent?
14:22
it should provide all of the bits you need
14:22
<fgiraldeau>
It could be, but we had to write custom mibs for connected users
14:22g333k_work has joined #ltsp
14:22
<Gadi>
so you *did* use snmp?
14:23
<fgiraldeau>
No, at this time the agent is a python daemon
14:23
<Gadi>
ah
14:23
why do you need to know about connected users?
14:23
<fgiraldeau>
A XML file define the variables that can be poken
14:24
<Gadi>
shouldnt CPU/memory/load suffice?
14:24
<fgiraldeau>
This is realy empirical, there is no scientific calculation that reflect choices.
14:25
<Gadi>
I have some other load balancing code that (a product of some work with moquist), that deterministically distributed connections to the app server based upon client MAC address
14:26
perhaps we can enhance it by combining actual load metrics
14:26
there is a more fundametnal question, tho
14:26
<fgiraldeau>
you mean randomly choosen servers into a list?
14:27
<Gadi>
well, the way this code works is:
14:27
you provide a list of servers
14:27
<fgiraldeau>
I think I saw it already
14:27
<Gadi>
the client uses a modulus of its MAC address to determine which server to connect to
14:27
and if that server is down, it goes to the next on the list
14:28
<fgiraldeau>
It's simple and it could be done like that too
14:28
<Gadi>
one nice thing about it is that any given thin client will always connect first to a particular server
14:28
even tho the connections are randomly distributed
14:29
one question that has come up in the past is:
14:29
<fgiraldeau>
And you can repeat the same server twice if it were twice the power of the others
14:29
<rstory>
well, renaming xscreensaver seems to have worked.. oddly enough, running xscreensaver-demo (per the screensaver man page) and disabling the screensaver created a .xscreensaver, but didn't have any effect.
14:30
anyhoo, my kde screensaver has now been runing for several minutes.. thanks for the help!
14:30
<Gadi>
if you base your load balancing on load at time of *login*, does it do much good over time, as the load may change dramatically during user sessions and become unbalanced
14:31
<jammcq>
worst case, if things feel slow to the user, they can log out, and log back in again
14:31
quicker than rebooting a windows box when it gets slow :)
14:31
<Gadi>
right
14:31
I think the prevailing widom is:
14:31
it may not make sense to load balance based on some complicated formula of load
14:32
because the decision will only affect things at login time
14:32ogra has quit IRC
14:32
<Gadi>
but....
14:32
<fgiraldeau>
I give you one example : if a server is starting to swap, it should not be returned anymore
14:32
<Gadi>
if you could just ensure that you've distributed the connections fairly easily,
14:32rstory has left #ltsp
14:32
<Gadi>
you've got most of the benefit
14:32
and from there, you should try to load balance the processes themselves
14:32
rather than the sessions
14:33
fgiraldeau: ah
14:33
that is a good example
14:34
<fgiraldeau>
Gadi: Process migration is not my goal for loadbalancing application server... It would be cool, but I will wait Xen and virtual machine migration for that
14:34
<Gadi>
right
14:34
agreed
14:37_rodrigo_ has quit IRC
14:37
<fgiraldeau>
I think that the loadbalancer is a great piece of code, and is a candidate to be integrated.
14:37
Maybe I should create packages for Ubuntu and Debian, to make it mainstream?
14:38
<Gadi>
cool
14:38
that'd be great
14:38
you should prolly create a project in Launchpad
14:38
<fgiraldeau>
And so, It would be possible for everyone to test it
14:38
Can I create a new project myself in that?
14:38
<Gadi>
yup
14:39
first you need to register
14:39
then, there's info on the Code page of how to get started
14:39* Gadi has been learning the ropes recently, as well
14:39
<fgiraldeau>
it's done : https://launchpad.net/people/francis-giraldeau
14:41
I will create a product, is that ok?
14:42
<Gadi>
sure
14:42
<fgiraldeau>
ltsp-loadbalancer ?
14:42
And I may create a page on the LTSP wiki
14:43
And for you, writing a SNMP backend? :)
14:43
kidding :)
14:44
<Gadi>
heh
14:44
sounds good
14:44ogra has joined #ltsp
14:44
<fgiraldeau>
well, that's make sens
14:44
<Gadi>
if you take out the need for "connected users", I think you only need an snmp frontend ;)
14:45
<fgiraldeau>
The next big component is the configurator, that's like the symbiot workstation manager
14:45
<Gadi>
hmmm
14:46
perhaps we can merge ideas from your configurator, the SWM, and ogra's ltsp-manager
14:46
<fgiraldeau>
You can centralize the configuration of terminals with this component
14:47
I hope, because we are all trying to manage those simple key=values
14:47
<ogra>
Gadi, ltsp-manager is not for managing connections though ... thats what student-control-panel is for
14:47
<Gadi>
right
14:47
he's talking about a "configurator"
14:47
<ogra>
ah, right
14:48
fgiraldeau, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
14:48
<fgiraldeau>
ltsp-manager purpose is to present an easy interface for the lts.conf I think
14:48
<ogra>
right
14:48
but also to the dhcp config and whatever els might come ...
14:48
*else
14:48
i.e. syslog
14:49
<fgiraldeau>
well, the configuration I tell about is about the same thing
14:49
<ogra>
right ...
14:49
<fgiraldeau>
The difference is that terminals register themselves into it and the get their configurations.
14:49
That way, you can group terminals based on the location or hardware type
14:49
<ogra>
do you have any VOIP capabilities ?
14:50
we will likely have some discussion rounds about ltsp-manager the next days
14:50
you could listen in and participate to the discussions ...
14:50
<floydwilde>
Does anyone know any X settings I can throw in lts.conf to make a viewsonic vg700 lcd work?
14:50
<fgiraldeau>
Great, I will setup my box for that
14:50
<ogra>
floydwilde, ubuntu ?
14:50
(or edubuntu)
14:51
<floydwilde>
edubuntu, it works but low resolution
14:51
<ogra>
oh207, i see you are in #edubuntu as well ... sorry, i'm not monitoring all channels today due to being on the conference
14:51
s/oh207/oh
14:51
<fgiraldeau>
It could be realy interesting, because the ltsp-manager is realy sexy
14:51
<ogra>
floydwilde, set the right parameters for X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH for your monitor
14:52
fgiraldeau, thanks :D
14:52jammcq has quit IRC
14:52
<floydwilde>
ok
14:52
<ogra>
floydwilde, another option would be to have a static xorg.conf that is known to work for that model
14:53
<fgiraldeau>
ogra and Gadi: It could be interesting to integrate the large scale and distributed aspect
14:54
Schedule for meeting tomorow : is it California timezone?
14:56ogra_ has joined #ltsp
14:56
<floydwilde>
I think I read that I could point specific clients to a static xorg.conf in lts.conf, is that correct?
14:56
<Gadi>
yes
15:00
<floydwilde>
do you need quotes around the horzsync and vert numbers?
15:01
<ogra_>
you can define it in lts.conf with the XF86CONFIG_FILE option
15:02
it needs a full path relative to /opt/ltsp/i386
15:03
<fgiraldeau>
I need to go, thanks a lot and have a nice day
15:03
comme back soon
15:03
<floydwilde>
woo hoo it works
15:06Skarmeth has quit IRC
15:06efra is now known as efra_away
15:06* efra_away is away: I'm out to lunch | Sali a comer
15:08fgiraldeau has quit IRC
15:11ogra has quit IRC
15:22ogra_ has quit IRC
15:27bobby_C has joined #ltsp
15:39cliebow has quit IRC
15:56yanu has quit IRC
15:58moose5435 has joined #ltsp
16:03ogra_ has joined #ltsp
16:04PMantis has joined #ltsp
16:06efra_away is now known as efra
16:06* efra is back (gone 01:00:11)
16:13mocker has quit IRC
16:21ogra_ has quit IRC
16:24ogra_ has joined #ltsp
16:24moose5435 has quit IRC
16:27cliebow has joined #ltsp
16:28
<g333k_work>
Hi, I have latin american keyboards, but I cant use the characters that appears with AltGr+<Key>, like @, why?
16:44
<moquist>
cliebow: hey
16:45PMantis has quit IRC
16:45
<moquist>
cliebow: I need new copies of your remapping and printer-adding scripts; my laptop HDD died and I lost the ones I had. :(
16:54cliebow_ has joined #ltsp
16:55
<moquist>
cliebow: hi
17:04bobby_C has quit IRC
17:08telenieko has quit IRC
17:15bjohnson has quit IRC
17:16
<moquist>
cliebow: ping ping
17:23J45p3r has joined #ltsp
17:29Faithful has quit IRC
17:29Faithful has joined #ltsp
17:30egypcio has quit IRC
17:42laprag has joined #ltsp
17:53fxrsliberty has joined #ltsp
18:04ace has joined #ltsp
18:06moose5435 has joined #ltsp
18:10andresmujica has left #ltsp
18:17Avatara has quit IRC
18:17Mortice has joined #ltsp
18:32fxrsliberty has quit IRC
18:47Mortice has quit IRC
18:51cliebow_ has joined #ltsp
18:53cliebow_ has quit IRC
19:00efra has quit IRC
19:04moose5435 has quit IRC
19:23amit has joined #ltsp
19:23
<amit>
hi guys
19:24
any one there have tried ltsp4.2 on ubuntu
19:24
???
19:30
hellooooo
19:30
anyone there
19:30
???
19:42amit has left #ltsp
19:52ogra_ has quit IRC
19:54ogra has joined #ltsp
20:01Gadi has left #ltsp
20:05
<dberkholz>
how'd the get-together this weekend go?
20:11
<ace>
amit ?
20:17ogra has quit IRC
20:41FernandoMM has joined #ltsp
20:46moose5435 has joined #ltsp
20:51psycodad has quit IRC
20:51mwright1 has joined #ltsp
20:52psycodad has joined #ltsp
21:07laprag has quit IRC
21:36FernandoMM has quit IRC
21:47mwright1 has left #ltsp
21:50Kamping_Kaiser has quit IRC
22:17J45p3r has quit IRC
22:45Jenna has joined #ltsp
23:02robbie has joined #ltsp
23:50Jenna has quit IRC