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Channel log from 30 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<nubae>
I noticed recently using zypper on suse, that its package names are quite nice too
00:00
I dont know what happened to ubuntu
00:02
johnny: I have 2.6.6 installed now
00:02
wanna play?
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<johnny>
i don't know.. i find gentoo's package naming much better than ubuntu
00:03
gentoo has slots
00:03
or fedora
00:03
i much prefer it
00:04
<nubae>
yeah... something went wrong there with ubuntu...
00:04
so... u have a server up?
00:04
I have ejabberd installed here if u dont
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<johnny>
sure.. but what do we need a server for?
00:04
what's your jid?
00:04
you should be on my roster anyways :)
00:05
<nubae>
well fuck a duck... of course I dont have libabiword compiled into it
00:05
so no sharing shows up
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<johnny>
isn't there a package for the jabber support?
00:06
pretty sure that's all i did on my gf's comptuer.. i see the collaboration menu on hers
00:06
<nubae>
well it was there for 2.6.4
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<johnny>
i didn't try it myself tho.. i just wanted to see if it worked or not
00:06
<nubae>
just not for 2.6.6 since I installed that from source to have the latest version
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<johnny>
next time.. build a dep.. or look for a ppa
00:07
s/dep/dev/
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err deb
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<nubae>
there is not ppa
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for 2.6.6
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ubuntu is behind on that one too
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<nubae>
ah, stupid shit... even Jaunty has 2.6.4-5
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ah... I just needed --enable-libabiword when configuring
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<nubae>
wow, installing abiword from source on ubuntu is no joke...
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<warren>
Ryan52: if you had not pushed yet, then I personally uncommit instead of resort to trickery.
00:36
<nubae>
well, at least if u want support with its collaboration and spelling modules
00:37
<warren>
Ryan52: (referring to reverting changes in bzr)
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<Ryan52>
yes
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<warren>
Ryan52: if you already pushed there is no going back, just commit new changes and march forward
00:38
Ryan52: I'm not worried about F-10's spec being proper for devel
00:38
Ryan52: I'm extremely careful about maintaining compat
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Ryan52: and the fedora conditional was an earlier aborted attempt of a RHEL5 backport
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<Ryan52>
okay, that's what I had (sort of) thought, just wanted to make sure.
00:51
<nubae>
no wonder no one packaged this up for sugar... it takes forever to get all the deps out
00:56
<johnny>
nubae, aren't packagers supposed to take care of that?
00:57
you could have just built a package based off the most recent ubuntu package and up the versions
00:57
<nubae>
yeah but supposedly they havent for 1.5 years now
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think it was a security thing
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anyway, I'm happy Im doing it now, cause then I can at least get sugar working 100%
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even though it is a bit of a waste of time
00:58
i have to try to configure, then search for the dep, then install the -dev of it, then scroll up, look again, etc etc
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and then move to to the plugins and extras directories and do the same there
00:58
its a total mess
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<johnny>
you could have just grepped out from the configure.ac
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unless it was lying..
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<nubae>
well its just that its all over the place
00:59
its easier for me to do it this way methodically
00:59
<johnny>
at least you'd get the list all together..
00:59
<nubae>
yeah, but then maybe miss something or whatever...
01:00
but yes you are right, it would probably be faster
01:00
this is my configure line just for the plugins:
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./configure --enable-libabiword --with-abiword=../abiword-2.6.6 --prefix=/home/n--disable-all --enable-abicollab --with-abicollab-service-backend --enable-abimathview --enable-abicommand --enable-loadbindings --enable-presentation --enable-OpenDocument --prefix=/home/nubae
01:00
:-)
01:04
hmmm... sugarb bug tracker has a nice little system, connected to twitter, so that if u follow it, it will tweet the bugs to you via msn/gtalk to your account
01:04
could do that for ltsp too
01:04
bot could then paste them to the channel
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<nubae>
johnny: welp... so now everything is installed, all plugins and everything, but still no collaboration menu when I open it up...
01:23
<johnny>
try adding --enable-all ?
01:23
oh.. you have --disable-all ?
01:24
<nubae>
thats whats in the docs...
01:24
ah never mind, found it
01:25
u have to install the plugins afterwards from a weird directory that it installs them too
01:25
but now I get this on the collaborate menu: Could not load glade file '/usr/local/share/abiword-2.6/glade/ap_UnixDialog_CollaborationAccounts.glade'.
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<nightrid3r>
i have to setup an tlsp server but there's 1 windows vista pc that also needs connection to the ltsp server, you know of a windows client i can use, it must be very simple
02:05
<cyberorg>
which package has pgdb in ubuntu? "ImportError: No module named pgdb"
02:05
it does not exist on any rpm distro
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<nightrid3r>
use rpmfind.net maybe you find a package there
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<cyberorg>
nightrid3r, i did http://rpm.pbone.net/ checked all
02:08
<nightrid3r>
form ubuntu ----> File pgdb found in courier-doc, courier-maildrop, maildrop, python-pygresql
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<cyberorg>
python-pygresql sounds more like it
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<nightrid3r>
you can use !find in #ubuntu to look for files in packages
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<cyberorg>
cool, thanks
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<kim123>
hello
06:53
maybe someone can help me... I need to know which IP addresses have been assigned to ltsp clients
06:53
is the client list, recorded somewhere?
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08:29
<Phille>
Hello all, looking for some help with using ELO touchscreen on LTSP5(ubuntu8.10), thank you
08:30
<Gadi>
Phille: USB or serial?
08:31
<Phille>
Serial, I set the X_TOUCH_DEVICE to the correct port, but no reaction from the touch
08:32
on ltsp.org I found this option : X_TOUCH_DEVICE, but it is not documented on what values to set. I'm not sure if that param is needed or not?
08:32
<Gadi>
Phille: do this:
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l |grep elographics
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if that returns nothing, you should first do:
08:34
<Phille>
Ok, done that now. (I feel like newbie though I've been using Ubuntu for a long time now...)
08:35
<Gadi>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-elographics
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<Phille>
indeed, no return from the chroot ... command
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<Gadi>
and then: sudo ltsp-update-image
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after the image rebuilds, add to lts.conf:
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CONFIGURE_X=True
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USE_TOUCH=Y
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that should at least get you working
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then, you can add calibration parameters
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note: if you do not have lts.conf, make one in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
08:36
<Phille>
Man, thanks a lot! I don't understand why this stuff isn't documented more detailed on the web.
08:37
<Gadi>
format is ini format
08:37
<Phille>
I've been searching for weeks for a guide or some steps to follow
08:37
<Gadi>
Phille: well, there are a lot of lts.conf params to tweak things, and the docs are lagging a bit
08:38
especially for touchscreens
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especially since the touchscreen support may likely change with the changes in Xorg and evdev and such
08:41
<Phille>
Ok, that is true
08:41
do you have a link were to find more info on the chroot ... install .. command you sent me,
08:41
I'm curious about what other modules and such I can get working with the thin clients
08:42
<Gadi>
well, your chroot is simply a minimal ubuntu, using all the same ubuntu packages as your server
08:42
you can add any package into the chroot, simply by chroot'ing into it and using all the usual commands
08:43
ie, as soon as you: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 you are in the chroot environemnt
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and can apt-get update, apt-get install, etc
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then, after you exit the chroot, you can reroll the image sent to the client with ltsp-update-image
08:44
that stuff is documented well, I think
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:)
08:44
!ubuntu
08:44
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:44
<Phille>
wow, that is a fun toy :) thank you so much for that info
08:44
<Gadi>
!docs
08:44
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
08:44
<Phille>
I did realize that probably the touch driver was missing, but had no idea on how or what to try
08:44
<Gadi>
LTSP is a unique project, as we are worked on by reps of most major distros
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and some things are distro-specific, while others are common
08:46
<Phille>
I came from ltsp 4.2 about two years ago, installed that in my distro and is working fine until now.
08:47
now I'm testing the Ubuntu with LTSP integrated, up until now it was a lot easyer with LTSP already integrated into the distro
08:47
but then again, Ubuntu is new to me
08:47
<Gadi>
ah
08:47
what did you use before?
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<Phille>
Thank you for the links, I'm copying a lot of info and links :)
08:48
Suse
08:48
with LTSP 4.2
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<Gadi>
ah
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<Phille>
but support for localdev was hard to get working,
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<Gadi>
suse has a sorta fork of ltsp called kiwi-ltsp
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!opensuse
08:48
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "opensuse" is http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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<Gadi>
they basically use upstream stuff, but have their own commands for managing things
08:49
<Phille>
indeed, I also tried that, and was very handy with the iTalc tool, but somehow I got cought-up with Ubuntu
08:49
mainly because my colleagues pushed me :)
08:49
<Gadi>
gotcha
08:49
well, we are the UN here
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so, feel free to pop in for help
08:50
<Phille>
Great! thank you so much for your help, you gave me a lot of info to try out!
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<cliebow>
Gadi Rocks!!
08:50
<Phille>
indeed, Gadi rocks :p
08:51
<Gadi>
pleasure
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<Phille>
have a great weekend btw!
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<cliebow>
s!
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<SDuensin>
My net was down for MINUTES! I almost DIED!
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<warren>
sbalneav: how long ago did development on LTSP 4.2 stop?
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<ogra>
3 or even 4 years
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<warren>
so roughly 2005?
11:11
2004?
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<ogra>
ubuntu 5.10 was the first ubuntu release carrying ltsp5 ... when we started development on it 4.2 wasnt developed anymore
11:11
there was no overlap
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<warren>
when was that?
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<ogra>
so end 2004, beginning of 2005
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<warren>
ok thanks
11:11
<ogra>
ubuntu version numbers are (200)Y.MM
11:12* Gadi seems to recall a period of overlap
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<ogra>
(so its easy to guess from that)
11:12
Gadi, i dont think there was 4.2 development after the sydney UDS
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and 5.0 development started there
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<Gadi>
sydney was only 5.0?
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<ogra>
jim did one kernel update for 4.2 about 6 months after the first ltsp5 release
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<nubae>
http://www.ncoretech.com/products/ia/mobilis/index.html
11:13
possible thin clients?
11:13
<etyack>
last update 4.2 update 4 8/06
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brief history on this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
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<ogra>
etyack, right, that was the kernel update i was talking about
11:14
in oct 2005 the first 5.0 release came out
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<Gadi>
so, we really are talking end of 05 beginning of 06
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<ogra>
so it was not 6 but 10 months after that when jim did the kernel security fix
11:15
Gadi, UDS was in april 05
11:15
there ltsp5 was specced and nobody worked on 4.x anymore
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<Gadi>
ogra: u remember the history from the ubuntu perspective
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<ogra>
scott just had finished teh first ltspfs which was the last thing going into 4.2 before
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<Gadi>
:)
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<ogra>
Gadi, i just think i dont count bugfix maintenance as development while you do :)
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<nubae>
so.... about those mobilis terminals...u think they could be good clients?
11:25
link above ^^^
11:26
<ogra>
nubae, how could anyone tell after only a picture ... there are no tech specs anywhere
11:28
who knows if it hasnt an ATOM CPU with the new pulsbo graphics chipset ... which is worse than nvidia
11:29
<nubae>
oh, I thought there were specs there too... sorry
11:29
<ogra>
for specs contact us :P
11:30
great marketing strategy :P
11:31
<nubae>
yah well, they're Indians
11:31
<warren>
ogra: is pulsbo better than i945?
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<ogra>
warren, if you accept having a fully closed driver, having to compile your own libdrm and the like, it saves a lot of power, yes
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<warren>
closed!?
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<ogra>
(oh and indeed the in kernel drm needs a rebuild of your kernel as well)
11:32
yes
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its worse than nvidia
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<warren>
indeed
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<ogra>
intel only used pulsbo in MID like devices yet ... but netbooks will surely come
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http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/08/compal_jax10_aigo_p8880_quick_review.html ... typical pulsbo device ... funnily it additionally has a closed touchscreen driver as well
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<nubae>
heh... check it... American bloggers: http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/01/29/man-eating-catfish/
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<etyack>
For all you facebookers out there, i created a Linux Terminal Server Project group. Can't hurt to try and reach >150M people
11:54
<nubae>
etyack: cool
11:54
we should make one for twitter, giido, technorati, and aceti.ca too
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<etyack>
Twitter is LinuxLTSP
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<cliebow>
i dont facebook..but damned if i could figure out how tro join on the one account i created..
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<npman>
Can anyone out there recommend a low-cast scanner that works well with LTSP on Ubuntu Hardy?
12:33
<johnny>
just look for linux..
12:34
if it works with linux.. it'll work with ltsp
12:34
i just use the one built into my hp all in one
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<warren>
npman: My friend has a portable Canon Canoscan LIDE something, works great powered entirely off of USB and works with xsane.
12:34
npman: check out xsane.org for compat lists
12:34
<npman>
cool... thanks...
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<ogra>
LIDE 120 ... works fine i have one
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<dmaran>
I am having afunny issue with ltsp going back to the login screen while trying to use a rsync command to copy over/update users home directories. The command in is a file called 95_rsync_home and has the correct permissions. If I take it out I can log in fine but with it in there it fails back to the login screen.
13:19
it is /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ oops
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<ogra>
look in ~/.xsession-errors
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and also note that the Xsession.d scripts are sourced, not executed
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<dmaran>
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
dmaran: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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<dmaran>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
dmaran: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<Gadi>
dmaran: you cannot overwrite ~/.Xauthority
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with your rsync
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if you are, don't
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:)
13:23
thats the problem
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<dmaran>
Taht may be it
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<ltsppbot>
"dmaran" pasted "xsession-errors" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/227
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<dmaran>
looks like it
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: CAN-o-SPAM ping
14:25
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: i sent mail u. have you checked that? ..now i will write better script
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<Lns>
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/30/1437233 - looks like we might be in for some heavy competition in the field of thin client computing soon :)
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
warren still here?
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<vagrantc>
well, gadi's patches to set XDG_DATA_DIRS almost seems to work... doesn't appear to copy the files over, though.
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<nubae>
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Rs_500-laptop_display_on_Feb_3/articleshow/4049914.cms
14:59
some more detailed infor on te $10 lpatop from India
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<warren>
Ryan52: when you build the new ldm, don't forget to add BuildRequires: iso-codes
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<vagrantc>
while gadi is away, vagrantc fixes the allegedly cleaner localapps_menu stuff
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21:02* Ryan52 still gets python tracebacks...
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<Ryan52>
on my completely rewritten thing to generate the file.
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anybody willing to look at it? :)
21:03
<TheProf>
Ryan52: Would you happen to know how to cat something to a device attached to a client?
21:03* Ryan52 tried the encode thing, but failed
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<Ryan52>
TheProf, add "SCREEN_10=shell" to lts.conf, reboot the thin client, and switch to virtual console 10. then do stuff there.
21:05* Ryan52 assumes you're doing it for debugging..
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<TheProf>
Ryan52: ok. I've got the shell screen on the client. I seem to remember that not all the files are accessible from the thin client -- it seems to have only a subset of the files from the server
21:05
yes exactly for that.
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<Ryan52>
yes, it's only the things in the chroot.
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are you using nfs or nbd?
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<TheProf>
nfs
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so i think it
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is in /opt/i386, etc
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<Ryan52>
yes.
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so just "sudo cp /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl"
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on the server.
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and then you'll have access.
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<TheProf>
perfect. I will try it now. thank you!
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Ryan52: It seems to be almost working! It accepted the firmware.
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Just need to see if now that will make it print
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<TheProf>
IT WORKED!!!!
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Sheesh it's a MIRACLE!
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<Ryan52>
YAY! :)
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<TheProf>
Seriously. I was going nuts.
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now i'm just printing because I can :)
21:22
this is wicked.
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<Ryan52>
heh
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<TheProf>
Ryan52: the solution was running that command from the client shell. Is there a way to do that automatically when the client boots each time?
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<Ryan52>
lemme check if there's an ltsp way before I tell you the general way.
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<TheProf>
Thank you I appreciate it
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<Ryan52>
okay, looks like there is not. so edit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin/setup-printer with your editor of choice.
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do you only have one system with a printer? or is there something disinguishing with this system?
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(that way it only loads it on this thin client)
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<TheProf>
I've got it assigned to a specific thin client by mac and ip address
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<Ryan52>
okay, so then just to be sure, add this to your lts.conf first:
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[mac:addr:goes:here]
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SETUP_PRINTER=true
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<TheProf>
I've got a [mac] entry for this client within lts.conf so I will append that line to it.
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<Ryan52>
or, nevermind, that was stupid.
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just add "RCFILE_00=/usr/local/bin/setup-printer" to that section.
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<TheProf>
OK. forgotten :)
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<Ryan52>
no need for anything extra.
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then go back into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin/setup-printer and add whatever commands you ran manually.
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and it should be ran on startup for that system.
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<TheProf>
hmm..my /opt/ltsp/i386/usr has no local under it
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is there a file within that I can search for to see where it is?
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<Ryan52>
you should have one...
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but no, in this case you aren't editing a file.
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you are creating one.
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so just make the directories needed.
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<TheProf>
so I'll create the local/bin/ directories and create the setup-printer file
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<Ryan52>
yep
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<TheProf>
do I need to make the executable or any fancy permissions?
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<Ryan52>
probably need to make it executable
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<TheProf>
sorry took a while to figure out how to make executable. I did a chmod -X setup-printer
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<Ryan52>
+x..
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<TheProf>
in it are two lines -- a comment with a # in front and the cat command itself.
21:41
argh sorry, yes it was +x
21:41
my mistake.
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<Ryan52>
you coulda just asked me how to do it :)
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<TheProf>
alright so now I reboot the client and test
21:41
<Ryan52>
yep.
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<TheProf>
can I see the script being run someplace?
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or I'll just know if it prints which is good enough :)
21:42
<Ryan52>
ya
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<TheProf>
Ryan52: Nope. Didn't run the command. I just tried to print and it didn't go. same as before. ran the command manually and it worked
21:48
let me just check if I made a mistake in the setup-printer file
21:49
this is the command in lts.conf
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RCFILE_00=/usr/local/bin/setup-printer
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this is what is in the setup-printer file located at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin
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# File to run the cat firmware > usb printer for the computer lab HP LJ 1000
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cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
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the file has the attributes 100755 root root
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<TheProf>
I think I might know the problem
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<TheProf>
Ryan52: Got it!
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1) I was missing that !/bin/bash line at the top
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<TheProf>
2) there was a sample file included in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d that lets you
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run scripts at client boot.
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<Ryan52>
for ltsp specific stuff?
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<TheProf>
yes
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it has a file called sample that gave some steps. the same thing you said really
22:04
<Ryan52>
weird, I didn't know that existed.
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<TheProf>
only difference was it needed an RC number from 01 to 10
22:04
<Ryan52>
oh.
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<TheProf>
so I changed it to 01 and put the setup file in that directory.
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but thank you
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I may just have to print more to try it again it's so great.
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<TheProf>
Ryan52: thanks for all your help! Off to reboot to test everything.
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