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Channel log from 25 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<gypsymauro>
jhi
05:38
ldm it's very slow on ubuntu do u know if there is some enanchements in the future?
05:41
<cliebow>
gypsymauro, you using feisty?
05:41
if so gutsy Will rock!!
05:42
<gypsymauro>
cliebow: yes feisty
05:43
<cliebow>
ldm is now written in c...
05:43
and
05:43
i think we are using squashfs/unionfs for "mounting" chroot.
05:43
Far faster..
05:45
<gypsymauro>
great news:)
05:45
so I've to wait the release of gutsy
05:45
when will be released?
05:45
<ogra>
everything is faster in gutsy :)
05:45
not only ldm
05:46
<gypsymauro>
great:)
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<cyberorg>
ogra, we got build service repository, server:ltsp, it is now possible to create packages for all major distros from same tarballs
05:58
http://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=server%3Altsp
06:00
<cliebow>
very Cool!!!
06:00
<ogra>
cyberorg, thats a proper bzr branch we could merge ?
06:00* ogra doest get access, it asks for a PW
06:00
<cyberorg>
ogra, that is build service to create packages
06:00
<ogra>
ah
06:00
<cyberorg>
ogra, use any novell/opensuse account to log in
06:00
<ogra>
haha
06:01
<cyberorg>
we can create packages for all buntus, debians, mandrivas, fedoras and suse
06:01
<cliebow>
lacks?
06:01
slacks?
06:02
<ogra>
well, that wont help you for ubuntu or debian :) the packages for them need to be buiold by the respective archive build servers to end up in the distro :)
06:02
<cyberorg>
cliebow, no slacks yet, http://build.opensuse.org/project/add_target_simple?project=server%3Altsp list of all targets
06:02
it is open source so slackers can write support for it ;)
06:03
<cliebow>
hehee
06:03
<ogra>
which is waht we do since two years already ... unlikely that we'll change over to a suse build system :)
06:03
<cyberorg>
ogra, of course, this is meant for any developers who want to directly provide packages, it provides mirrors all over
06:04
<ogra>
well, thats fine for suse packages then, great to see you getting forward (even though i'd still love to see that your code integrates with the upstream code)
06:04
<cyberorg>
devs do not have to invest in infrastructure required to build packages for different distros, archs
06:05
<ogra>
(which requires really minimal changes)
06:05
<cyberorg>
ogra, yeah, need help for that, i don't know what is expected
06:05
<ogra>
that undermines the upstream idea of having püer vendor plugins
06:06
<cyberorg>
i can add anyone as maintainers to our svn repo if you like
06:06
<vpro>
do you have any experience of usb headsets?
06:06
<ogra>
it would be better if every distro would use their own plugins dir in the upstream code so we can merge properly
06:06
<cyberorg>
ogra, without any change you can import our entire trunk under suse?
06:07
<ogra>
cyberorg, neither me nore sbalneav or vagrantc will switch from bzr to svn, we're fine with the branches we use
06:07
<cyberorg>
ogra, i understand that :) that was for changes that would be required so it can be merged by you guys
06:08
<ogra>
well, i'd still prefer a bzr branch, but i'll look after gutsy is out how we can import from svn
06:08
<cyberorg>
ogra, to make it easy i created a launchpad project too
06:09
hopefully they will import svn and convert to bzr https://launchpad.net/kiwi-ltsp/trunk
06:09
"Launchpad has not yet attempted this import. The vcs-imports operator will review the source details and either mark the series "Do not sync", or perform a test import. If the test import is successful, a public import will be created. After the public import completes, it will be updated automatically."
06:09
donno how long these vcs-import ops take
06:11
<ogra>
should happen soon
06:11
that great :)
06:11
*that's
06:11* ogra hugs cyberorg
06:11
<ogra>
makes merging really easy
06:12
and LP has a monitor, if ltsp-drivers subscribes to your code branch we'll get notification for stuff we can merge
06:12
so ping me if the import is done, i'll subscribe to it
06:12
<cyberorg>
ogra, after doing all this thing to get ltsp5 working i feel integrating into any distro is extremely easy for 'real' developers
06:13
i need help in getting everything working properly, wish we had help from more suse devs
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<cdealer>
Hi
06:24
Im going to install ltsp on SLES and I just want to know if the right thing to do is downloading the ltsp-4.2u2-0.iso from http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/isos/ ... is this the last update?
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<ogra>
cdealer, you can either use the old 4.2 stuff, then there are ltsp5 tarballs of the debisn and ubuntu setups you can use with some maual work on the server side and then there is kiwi-ltsp from cyberorg which is still very young but the neares you can get to ltsp5 on a suse
06:32
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: isnt a better choice and more supported the 4.2 version ?
06:32
<cyberorg>
ogra, it is for opensuse 10.3 only
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<ogra>
cdealer, 4.2 isnt developed since two years any more
06:33
<cyberorg>
cdealer, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
06:33
<cdealer>
[cyberorg]:: and this will do for SLES 10 ?
06:36
[ogra]:: you consider the possibility of getting pay to configure a ltsp server ?
06:36
<ogra>
cdealer, i get pay for writing ltsp from canonical already :)
06:37
<IRCzito>
:D
06:37
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: we need ltsp for a production enviroment so we cant have mistakes =/
06:37
<ogra>
be we're all around and availabe here in the channel nearly around the clock ... 64 ppl ... you should find someone to help you for every incident :)
06:40
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: we can pay ..... hehe =D but its ok, I will be around then
06:40
<ogra>
cdealer, where do you sit btw ?
06:41
<cyberorg>
cdealer, sles is too old for our purpose, may be once i have everything figured out for 10.3 i may think of back porting it
06:42
<ogra>
well, for a stable upgradeable and security supported setup i'd really recommend ubuntu or debian then
06:42
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: at floripa, brazil
06:42
<ogra>
4.2 has no security support or updates at all anymore
06:42
ah, well, i'm in germany :)
06:43
(you can buy commercial support for ltsp servers at canonical as well btw)
06:43
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: we have remote support
06:45
<ogra>
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid ... 9x5 costs $1200/year 24/7 $4000 but indeed thats not for SLES servers :)
06:45
<cdealer>
we thought about SLES for the security and updates reason
06:45
<ogra>
http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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<ogra>
and you can buy an edubuntu server with ltsp preinstalled :)
06:47
(not sure they ship to brazil though and i bet customs would double the price for you down there)
06:47
<cyberorg>
cdealer, sles is not ideal for ltsp as it does not have user applications like even openoffice
06:47
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: buying a server its not that easy for us, we must do audiction and stuff, so we are thinking about itautec or dell, both offer a 16gb quad xeon box
06:48
[cyberorg]:: I will get back to ubuntu, you convinced me hehe =)
06:50
<cyberorg>
cdealer, heh, i have never used ubuntu for more than 5 minutes, would advise to use opensuse, you can save the money, contribute to the project making it better
06:50
ubuntu has the best ltsp integration if you are in a hurry
06:50
<ogra>
cyberorg, but which stable production ready options with security support does he have
06:51
<cdealer>
[cyberorg]:: well, im just looking for the best option, its like I said we be a 80 users production server so I must choose wisely
06:51
<cyberorg>
cdealer, how much time have you got?
06:51
ogra, true, there is nothing even close to what edubuntu offers
06:52
<ogra>
well, debian ...
06:52
<cyberorg>
i thought you guys had the latest
06:52
<ogra>
but you have to find a local company or something that offers support if you have a CTO that demands support contracts
06:52
<cdealer>
[cyberorg]:: I have tested already ubuntu and it worked great, but we have some problems and started testing suse, but we are already at a hurry, I have to have some decision until friday
06:53
<ogra>
we work closely together, debian sid currently has the same as ubuntu gutsy modulo the nbd/squashfs stuff
06:53
<cyberorg>
cdealer, do you have good developer talent?
06:53
<cdealer>
but know we discovery that the problems was not because of ubuntu, but I liked the support of suse and though in this distro, but the most inmportant is the ltsp to work
06:53
<ogra>
during releases we usually get out of sync so for example the etch ltsp is a pretty old version
06:53
more like ubuntu edgy (which is two releases ago)
06:54
etch is the last stable debian, so with that they are outdated ...
06:54
with their next release they might be ahead ... its really depending on our release schedules :)
06:55
<cyberorg>
ogra, do debian have something like edubuntu, preinstalled ltsp?
06:56
<cdealer>
so what Im getting here is the if my question is the best supported distro I must go with ubuntu 7.04 ?
06:57
<ogra>
cyberorg, debian-edu
06:57
cdealer, yes
07:00
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: have you already get success with skype in clients ? Here it was crashing
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<ogra>
no, we dont have sound input out of the box yet on clients ... with feisty we made the big switch to use alsa everywhere but in gutsy there was no time for furter work on the sound stack
07:02
there is an opensuse guy who develops something on top of ubuntu/ltsp look on the novell wiki, he has some (not so unhackish but apparently working) instructions
07:03
<cyberorg>
ogra, what is required for sound input?
07:03
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: forget suse, Im going with ubuntu... its worked already so we think this is the best choice
07:03
<ogra>
cyberorg, proper detection on te client side
07:03
<cyberorg>
ogra, we have working sound using esd and ESPEAKER export, is that enough?
07:03
<ogra>
cyberorg, there were plans to have hal on the clients, then it shouldnt be any prob anymore
07:04
we dont use esd anywhere anymore
07:04
on the client runs a pulseaudio server ... if you log in to the server a virtual asla device is created for you that uses the pulse network transport in the backend
07:05
<cdealer>
I tried the pulseaudio solution but didnt work... probably a configuration problem
07:05
<ogra>
with feisty ?
07:05
<cdealer>
yep
07:06
<ogra>
tha configured out of the box ... what did you try there ?
07:06
*that's
07:07
as long as you dont touch any config in ltsp5 in ubuntu everything should just work ...
07:07
there is one exception for local devcie access you need to anable users to do s for security reasons (add the to the fuse group)
07:07
all other features should just work
07:08
no need to configure anything
07:08
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: Im talking about skype
07:08
<ogra>
ah
07:08
<cdealer>
skype didnt work out of the box
07:08
<ogra>
right
07:08
i thought you tried to get pulseaudio working by manually setting stuff up :) sorry
07:09
<cdealer>
oh, no no... the audio in general worked great
07:09
the only missing thing was skype
07:09
<ogra>
have a look at the ltsp-client and ltsp-client-setup initscripts under /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
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<ogra>
there is a function that sets up sound which overrides the pulse configuration
07:10
if you wnst to do changes to pulse, do them there
07:26
<burnerx>
where can i purchase cheap thin clients ?
07:27
i know linutop(s)
07:27
<ogra>
cheap ? ebay
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:08
<ogra>
!s
08:08
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning ogra
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<sbalneav>
Hey, vagrantc pointed out that the stuff for ldm that's going on in /tmp's unsafe, and probably should be going on in /var/run. It ok for me to change that at this stage of the game?
08:11
Q-FUNK: hey there.
08:12
<ogra>
huh ?
08:12
where is anythng going into /tmp ?
08:12
i thought that was changed long ago
08:12
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: The amd-driver autoconfigure: ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-amd (Ubuntu) Assignee: Bryce Harrington (bryceharrington) => (unassigned)
08:12
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: yes, I just noticed that
08:12
<sbalneav>
ogra: no, the stuff that we added in for the multi-host stuff's writing to /tmp
08:13
I can change it easily enough.
08:13
<ogra>
hmm
08:13
how many lines ?
08:13
<sbalneav>
maybe 4-5
08:13
<ogra>
(after beta if at all ...)
08:13
ok
08:13
that should be good
08:14
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: I think that bryce decided not to tackle it himself, because time is running out and he is still missing the backtrace
08:14
<sbalneav>
just a couple of places in the ldm screen script.
08:14
I can't seem to generate one.
08:15
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: not even following the wiki's backtrace howto?
08:17
<sbalneav>
Nope.
08:17
Doesn't seem to want to work on a TC.
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<sbalneav>
Maybe I haven't got something installed, but I can't see what.
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<sbalneav>
ogra: ok, I've pushed the changes. Works out to about 4 lines of code.
08:37
<ogra>
ok
08:38
<sbalneav>
2 don't count
08:38
<ogra>
i wont merge before monday though
08:38
<sbalneav>
one was a dead reference in rdesktop, which I removed just of clarity, and one was a comment. :)
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<ogra>
beta is n thursday and i just was told that i have to hop on a plane to cyprus pretty much if the release announcement is out
08:39
so i wont be back before sunday
08:39
<sbalneav>
Cool! What's up in Cyprus?
08:40
<ogra>
the EU project we work with with edubuntu
08:40
someone missed his appointment and i have to hop in
08:40
<sbalneav>
Ah, nice. Oliver Grawert: international man of mystery
08:40
<ogra>
heh
08:41
Oliver Grawert: international man of permanent flight sickness
08:41
well at least i'll have a direct flight if all works out ...
08:41
<sbalneav>
Germany! Cyprus! Poland! Spain! One never knows where he'll pop up, but wherever he is, there's bound to be... ADVENTURE!
08:41
<ogra>
well, most of the time getting there is my adventure
08:42* sbalneav pictures ogra in a tux with a Walther PPK
08:42
<ogra>
(we had "The Terminal" on TV yesterday night ... oh, how could i feel with the protagonist
08:42
<sbalneav>
"The name's Grawert. Oliver Grawert"
08:42
<ogra>
lol
08:44
<sbalneav>
I'd expect your secret agent number would be 700, instead of 007, as that would be more secure :)
08:44
That's a chmod joke, folks.
08:47
<cliebow_>
heehee
08:47
<ogra>
lol
08:48
<cliebow_>
I am jealous..
08:49
perhaps "time traveler" got a sonic screwdriver handy?
08:49
got Rose Tyler handy?? 8~)
08:49
<sbalneav>
cliebow_: You a Dr. Who fan?
08:49
<ogra>
on me ? for seeing a cypriotic hotel for half a day ? belive me thats not as exciting as it sounds
08:49
<cliebow_>
Ohh Man you bet!!
08:49
<sbalneav>
Who's your favorite?
08:50
<cliebow_>
cant look at a statue the same anymore..
08:50
Tom Baker..a long time ago..but the present one is Awesome
08:50
They have All been good..
08:50
peter davidon
08:50
peter davison
08:51
perhaps only cause he was tristan in All creatures
08:51
rjune likes it as well...
08:52
<sbalneav>
Patric Troughton was always my favorite.
08:52
2nd doctor.
08:52
And John Pertwee
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<cliebow_>
that goes way back...brb
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Good morning...
09:25
sbalneav: Does fuse and/or ltspfs have limit of simultaneous users?
09:27
sbalneav: I mean... On Uninorte we have many users with problems mounting pen-drives. When we test it by the morning it goes fine, but late night the users says that it doesn't work...
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09:32
<ubuntu>
anyone else come across noboot ..ending at starting kernel log daemon
09:32
<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Well, it wouldn't be an ltspfs issue, I don't limit the number of mounts.
09:32
so, I'd expect it'd be a fuse issue.
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: How many fuse mounts would there be?
09:34
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: About 50 in each server
09:34
sbalneav: or more...
09:35
sbalneav: Its 7 servers...
09:37
<ogra>
50 mounts arent much
09:38
especially since ltspfs mounts are only really mounted during file operations
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<ogra>
but not during idle times
09:39
<sbalneav>
"users report problems with mounting pen-drives" is a little vague. Anything more specific for us to go on?
09:46
Guaraldo: ?
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Sory...
09:54
sbalneav: Yes...
09:55
sbalneav: I had to force modules uhci and ohci to USB interface be recognized...
09:55
<ogra>
are ou using 4.2 ?
09:55
*you
09:56
<sbalneav>
Well, that's on the client. I'm talking on the server.
09:56
<Guaraldo>
ogra: Yes...
09:56
<ogra>
ah, well ...
09:56
note tht ohci is usb 1.1
09:56
*that
09:56
load that only if you have usb mice or keyboards etc
09:57* ogra reads the edubuntu handbook on the livecd
09:58
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: By the morning, when network is less used, pen-drives works very well... Wen there are many users (at night) the users reports problems... I asked a test today at night to check what is really happening...
09:59
<ogra>
book.labelThe Edubuntu Handbook
09:59
hmm, that looks a tad broken
09:59
<Guaraldo>
ogra: Ok... thanks. I'll do that...
10:00
<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Without more information, it's hard to say, maybe something's messing up with lbus.
10:01
<Guaraldo>
ogra: both ohci and uhci loaded at the same time can mess up lbus?
10:01
<ogra>
Guaraldo, i have no clue about lbus, sorry, we never used it in ltsp5
10:01
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: I pass you the question... :-D
10:02
<ogra>
sbalneav, oh sweet :) you even tell the users how many simms they need for the amount of ram :)
10:02* ogra really likes the new edubutu handbook :)
10:02
<ogra>
*edubuntu
10:03
<sbalneav>
Good.
10:03
It was a LOT of work.
10:03
<ogra>
that "book.label" thing needs fixage though
10:03
<sbalneav>
Where's that?
10:03
<ogra>
seems like an export error or a dtd mistmatch ...
10:04
front page of the book
10:04
<sbalneav>
I'll have a look in a sec...
10:06
<ogra>
looks like a LaserJock job :)
10:06
nothing urgent anyway, given i cant change it before beta :)
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Still liking it?
10:19
<ogra>
sbalneav, sure :)
10:19
<sbalneav>
Nothing jumping out at you as being blatantly wrong? Should be a good resource for users.
10:20
<ogra>
yeah
10:20
its all fine so far (i'm testing the CD cant read all of it)
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<masus>
hi all
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<masus>
welcome masus
10:24
:)
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<elisboa>
haa
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<bobnormal>
hi, its my first time using ltsp. im on gentoo. nfs is running with nfs/portmapper/mountd, PXE starts fine (though for some reason ignores the kernel name in the pxelinux.cfg default file and uses 'linux' instead?!?!) .. though after linux boots i get a kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (after VFS: cannot open root device "<null>" ... anyone know whats to blame?
10:45
<ogra>
null ?
10:45
<bobnormal>
ogra: yes it seems strange.
10:45
<ogra>
that sounds like a broken initramfs or so ...
10:45
as if your kernel or initramfs dont support netbooting
10:46
<bobnormal>
ogra: i am using the default in gentoo, my network card is a common onboard one, though i cant see any network-card-related stuff in the linux boot info
10:46
ogra: i guess gentoo's ltsp package is based on pxestuff or whatever the standard files are, i can give you md5sum if you like
10:46
<ogra>
i have no clue about the gentoo stuff :)
10:46
<sbalneav>
bobnormal: did you download 4.2 from the ltsp.org website yourself? Or emerge it?
10:46
<ogra>
dberkholz, is your man
10:47
<bobnormal>
sbalneav: emerged .. installed version is 4.2-r1
10:48
<sbalneav>
ok, IIRC, gentoo sort of did their own thing with the 4.2 tree, and last I heard, it was broken.
10:48
<bobnormal>
rocking. i'll try manual install then
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
10:52
<ogra>
jammcq, pong
10:52
<jammcq>
ogra: can you tell me the name of the ubuntu package that makes wide-screen mode work properly with intel graphics?
10:52
i've forgotten what it is called
10:52
and i'm trying to help a friend
10:52
<ogra>
use the intel driver :)
10:52
<jammcq>
yes, the i810 driver?
10:53
already using it
10:53
<ogra>
or if you really need i810 (largely obsolete) use 915resolution (ugly hack)
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<jammcq>
that's the one
10:53
<ogra>
no, i was talking about the intel driver
10:53
<jammcq>
oh
10:53
<ogra>
not i810
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<jammcq>
ooooh
10:53
<jcastro>
yeah, if you just use the -intel driver it just works
10:53
<ogra>
you should only use i180 if intel doesnt work
10:54* ogra has to use it on the classmate ... -intel doesnt support panning over virtual desktops ... they traded it for proper multi display support ... now who needs that rather than panning tsk
10:54
<jammcq>
would just installing the intel package automatically make it use it during the next boot-up?
10:55
<ogra>
no, you need to put it in the config
10:55
<jcastro>
replace i810 with intel in xorg.conf
10:55
<ogra>
or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as you like
10:55
<jammcq>
ooh, ok
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<jcastro>
jammcq: after that it should just come up in the native widescreen mode
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<sbalneav>
jcastro: So what, no whiprush now?
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<jcastro>
sbalneav: I wanted to be cool like you.
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<sbalneav>
I got news for you :)
11:13
You picked the wrong guy to emulate if cool's what your after :)
11:15
<ogra>
nah, he didnt
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<jcastro>
sbalneav: no way dude.
11:15
I am going to grow a mustache.
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(not really)
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<ogra>
but a belly ?
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<sbalneav>
:)
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<jammcq>
ogra and jcastro, thanks for the advice on the intel driver. now they think i'm a genius :)
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<jammcq>
1440x900 looks WAY BETTER than 1024x768 on that hardware
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<ogra>
dont tell them you arent ;) you never knw when you need fanboys ;)
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<jammcq>
:)
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<cdealer>
[ogra]:: the wiki is up ? im getting server not found when try to open any link at ltsp.org
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<ogra>
clicking the link from teh topic gets me directly on a proper page
12:25
<cdealer>
[ogra]:: try from the site
12:25
from here its ok
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<ogra>
wiki.ltsp.org works fine for me
12:26
www as well
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<cdealer>
[ogra]:: i did something, realy... now its working haha O.o
12:28
*you
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<ogra>
i have no access to any of ltsp.org :)
12:28
jammcq, owns it
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<haasd>
on rhel5 and ltsp4. For some reason whenever an x session starts on one of the thinclients the console gets logged off saying that display :0 is already in use. Any ideas on what I might need to change?
14:40
actually ltsp 4.2
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15:17* vagrantc tries to boot LTSP5 on sparc
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: updated my tree to /var/run/ldm.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: thanks :)
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<vagrantc>
hrm. well, i got a sparc machine to network boot as far as load and start the kernel and initramfs ... but then ipconfig doesn't seem to work on sparc, so it dies in the initramfs
16:08
<Gadi>
hey, guys
16:09
so, my random qu for the day is: does a tftp put to an LTSP server work or fail - and what can restrict it?
16:14* vagrantc sees no need to use tftp put in a typical LTSP environment
16:14
<Gadi>
nice- premission denied
16:15* Gadi is concerned about security
16:15* Gadi wants to make sure no one can, say, tftp put a kernel of their own
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<Gadi>
or an lts.conf for that matter
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but, apparently, on my system they cannot
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which is excellent
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<vagrantc>
i wonder if it's just ipconfig that's broken on sparc, or if it's something more ...
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i think d-i on uubntu sparc works fie
16:18
fine
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<ogra>
that shoul use ipcofig
16:18
*should
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<vagrantc>
d-i in debian definitely uses dhcp3-client
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<ogra>
hmm
16:19
right
16:19
from an udeb ...
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<dberkholz>
ogra: i don't really know anything about ltsp 4.x even on gentoo, someone else maintains it
17:15
<ogra>
yeah, it wasnt clear he's doing 4.2 ... he said gentoo, i answered dberkholz :)
17:15
sorry for that :)
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17:25* vagrantc wonders if it's really ipconfig that's the problem
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<ogra>
do you have a working NIC in initramfs at all ?
17:26
checked the modules ?
17:26
it could as well be udev not loading the right stuff
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<vagrantc>
it spits out: eth0: HAPPY MEAL (PCI/CheerIO) 10/100BaseT Ethernet 08:00:20:c0:68:9a
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so i'm guessing it's recognized the ethernet
17:33
i'm trying a different machine, just to see if it's something specific to that other one
17:33
(actually netbooting the server used to create the chroot image :)
17:34
one's an ultra10, the other's a enterprise420r
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<ogra>
noisy around you i bet
17:35
<vagrantc>
same problem.
17:35
<ogra>
hmm
17:36
can you manually set up the ip data ?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: good idea!
17:37
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "sparc64 fails to boot ..." (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/322
17:37
<ogra>
Begin: Running /scripts/Unimplemented SPARC system call 97
17:37
????
17:37
whats that ?
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<vagrantc>
no idea
17:37
<ogra>
looks broken
17:37
<vagrantc>
but it happens on both
17:38
<ogra>
that really smells like kernel
17:38
<vagrantc>
but the timing of it is right about where ipconfig runs ... and then later you get those ipconfig errors
17:40
<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "sys_sparc.c snippet" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/323
17:40
<ogra>
see that
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<vagrantc>
hmmm .... http://osdir.com/ml/lib.uclibc.general/2004-03/msg00118.html
17:40
<ogra>
Don't make the system unusable, if someone goes stuck
17:40
:)
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<vagrantc>
heh.
17:42
ogra: you think it's more likely kernel than ipconfig
17:42
?
17:42
<ogra>
i dont have any clue about sparc ... not sure how deep ipconfig could reach into the kernel to make it get stuck
17:43
that couldnt happen on x86
17:43
the message is definately kernel
17:44
th etrigger must not be kernel though
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<vagrantc>
yeah, the e420r boots fine using initramfs otherwise ... just network boot causing troubles.
17:45
oh! i should try with etch ...
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<ogra>
boot with break=top or so
17:48
and try to manage the boot manually so you get an impression when it goes wrong
17:49
<vagrantc>
that's an option to pass to initramfs-tools ?
17:49* vagrantc wonders how to pass boot options on sparc
17:50
<ogra>
yeah its a boot parameter
17:50
top stops before the -top scripts are executed
17:50
"bootom" for the -bottom scripts
17:50
and premount for the stuff ater that
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*after
17:51
break=top will make it stop before nfsroot is exectuted
17:51
so you can perform the steps manually
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<vagrantc>
hmmm... i should switch it back to the ultra10 ... this takes a while to be
17:54
er, boot
17:55
good thing is, i found a bug in the update-kernels script ...
17:55
which is 90% of what i was trying to do with booting sparc and powerpc
17:57
<ogra>
cool
18:01
<vagrantc>
ogra: ok ... so that worked nicely.
18:02
<ogra>
manual ipconfig ?
18:02
<vagrantc>
ogra: i ran "modprobe sunhme", it detected the network cards, then i ran "ipconfig eth0" and we got "Unimplemented SPARC system call 97" followed by the ipconfig messages in in the boot log i posted before
18:03
so now i know it's definitely ipconfig triggering the issue
18:03
haven't tried manual configuration yet ...
18:04
<ogra>
i meant "ipconfig eth0" actually
18:04
:)
18:04
nfsroot is loading some modules ...
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<vagrantc>
i'm going to try specifying ip= on the boot prompt
18:05
<ogra>
af_packet ?
18:05
try if that fixes it
18:05
<vagrantc>
so that we can skip dhcp and see if it boots fine otherwise
18:05
ah, load af_packet ... maybe
18:06
<ogra>
yeah
18:06
thats what mountroot() does in the nfs script
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<vagrantc>
maybe loading af_packet will cause the kernel panic
18:10* vagrantc waits patiently
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<vagrantc>
downloading the nbi.img for sparc takes forever ... it's like 7-8MB ... and takes a long time for reasons i don't really know
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18:11
<luisgrin>
hola Ariel_Calzada aca podes hablar
18:11
<Ariel_Calzada>
luisgrin: yes sir
18:11
luisgrin: :-)
18:11
<vagrantc>
doesn't appear to be an af_packet module in the initramfs ...
18:13
<Ariel_Calzada>
hi anyone can help with hewlet packard thin clients for booting directly from server
18:13
<vagrantc>
Ariel_Calzada: which linux distro?
18:13
<luisgrin>
someone told me that i need 512 mb of ram in the server for each terminal i have connected t omy server
18:13
<Ariel_Calzada>
let me see
18:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: i can't seem to find an af_packet module anywhere
18:14
luisgrin: almost certainly not
18:14
!serversizing
18:14
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "serversizing" is not a valid command.
18:14
<ogra>
hmm weird
18:14
<vagrantc>
!serversize
18:14
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<vagrantc>
luisgrin: check that out
18:14
<ogra>
luisgrin, for ltsp5 thats 128M per logged in user
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<luisgrin>
!serversizing
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<ltspbot`>
luisgrin: Error: "serversizing" is not a valid command.
18:15
<ogra>
with a decent desktop
18:15
<luisgrin>
!serversize
18:15
<ltspbot`>
luisgrin: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
18:15
<ogra>
i.e. gnome or kde
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<luisgrin>
the reminal maybe pII 400 128 mb or 64, i only want to run a browse in this terminal, i dont care about the server bcoz memory id cheap
18:16
but i need to connect about 100 terminals
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<Ariel_Calzada>
vagrantc: NeoLinux is the distro
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<luisgrin>
cuantas term hay conectadas y cuanta memoria tiene el server?
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<Dan_Maran>
Is anyone else having trouble posting to the list from Gmail?
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18:53* Dan_Maran look around
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<Dan_Maran>
Is anyone even in here?
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<lns>
Can anyone tell me where the default alsa configuration file is kept for all LTSP clients?
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<vagrantc>
usually it's auto-configured client-side
19:11
server-side, look for /etc/asound.conf
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<jammcq>
hello friends
21:02* vagrantc reports that network booting for sparc sort of works ... but hangs in the initramfs
21:02
<jammcq>
wow
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<Dargus_>
Is there anyone here who might be able to help with Local Apps using LTSP?
22:10
specifically, I'm having trouble getting users a passwordless connection to the client machines :(
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<vagrantc>
yes, that's rather tricky.
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<Dargus_>
I have root working, but the users can't get in
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<vagrantc>
Dargus_: have you created users in the chroot environment ?
22:13
have you set up mounting of home directories ?
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<Dargus_>
Sorry, was called away for a minute
22:13
Yes, I've got mounted home directories.
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<vagrantc>
how are you authenticating ?
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<Dargus_>
What do you mean by "chroot environment"?
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<vagrantc>
/opt/ltsp/i386
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Dargus_: which linux distro ?
22:14
<Dargus_>
Supposedly NIS is authenticating
22:14
Ah, Fedora 6
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<vagrantc>
so ltsp 4.2, then?
22:14
<Dargus_>
Yes
22:15
the installation is /opt/ltsp/i386, and I'm *supposedly* authenticating against NIS, but I can't get ypcat or ypwhich to run on the client's shell
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<vagrantc>
!localapps
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "localapps" is not a valid command.
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<Dargus_>
the only thing I can get to run is ypbind, and that's not giving me any feedback, either.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: search --values
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: There were no matching configuration variables.
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<vagrantc>
!topic
22:16
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!topics
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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<vagrantc>
Dargus_: have you looked on wiki.ltsp.org for documentation on how to set up local apps ?
22:17
<Dargus_>
Yes
22:18
Been perusing those for the last two weeks
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I only just now got IRC running (didn't know how to use it)
22:18
!localdef
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<ltspbot`>
Dargus_: Error: "localdef" is not a valid command.
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<Dargus_>
!localdev
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<ltspbot`>
Dargus_: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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<Dargus_>
!sound
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<ltspbot`>
Dargus_: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<Dargus_>
*sigh* that bot's not gonna give me anything I haven't seen already
22:20
I suppose it would be a huge security risk to have all my users run the specific app as root, huh?
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<vagrantc>
likely difficult to implement, even.
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<Dargus_>
Well, like I said, I got ssh'd into it with Root, using both the # ssh ws100 and $ ssh root@ws100
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<vagrantc>
i haven't really worked with localapps in ltsp 4.2 ...
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<Dargus_>
Eh, I would have given up long ago if it wasn't for a class project :(
22:22* vagrantc has even less experience with redhat and freinds
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<Dargus_>
What distro do you run, Vagrant?
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<vagrantc>
i work on LTSP in debian :)
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<Dargus_>
Heh, I'm running debian on the machine I'm on now. laptop aside the FC6 server I'm working on. My classmates all are debian fanatics
22:24
I *was* a fedora fanatic until I started using it for projects.
22:25* vagrantc tries to put fanaticism aside
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<Dargus_>
hehe, it happens at times
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<vagrantc>
though the occasional joking slight isn't beyond me :)
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<Dargus_>
OK, what's the command to show the users in the room?
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<Dargus_>
Thanks Vagrant, for your help
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