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Channel log from 23 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <o0splitpaw0o> hello there. I got a question
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| 00:02 | got a question. how can I have the client configured to use the client's resources. such as ram/cpu . I logged into my thin client, & saw it displaying me the servers resources, not the client.
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| 03:31 | <mede> hello everyone
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| 03:31 | any idea how to config multiple edubuntu server?.
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| 03:40 | <ogra> mede, https://launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster
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| 03:40 | oh, he's gone
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| 04:29 | <jaime_david> Hi, i'm using K12Linux
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| 04:31 | I've got a 10/100 switch. If i connect a 1000 switch to it will this provide the bandwidth that the thin clients need
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| 04:31 | ??
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> jaime_david: what nics do the clients and the server have?
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| 04:39 | (speed)
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| 04:40 | <jaime_david> server 1000, clients 100
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> Then it will provide the needed bandwidth, but you'll need to have flow control=off
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| 04:41 | See here for info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl (ignore any ubuntu-specific things)
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| 04:41 | <jaime_david> is that an lts.conf option?
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> Nope, read the link
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| 04:41 | <jaime_david> ok thanks
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| 04:49 | <jaime_david> thanks a lot alkisg!!
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| 04:50 | <slashdotfx> hi everyone
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| 04:52 | I've noticed that client ignoring my lts.conf, I've put them under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 04:52 | when I run tcpdump on the tftp port, I see that client was actually ask for /lts.conf, not /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 04:53 | is this the intended behaviour? the manual said it should be under ltsp/i386
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| 04:53 | where exactly is the configuration? is in dhcpd.conf?
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| 04:55 | and if I put lts.conf just under /var/lib/tftpboot, it works
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| 04:57 | <ogra> then your client doesnt get the right tftp path from your dhcp server
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| 04:57 | the client extracts it from the filename directive in the dhcpd answer
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| 05:01 | <slashdotfx> my dhcpd.conf excerpt, option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 05:02 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 05:02 | I guess, it should be the "filename <path>" directive isn't it?
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| 05:03 | <ogra> then it should chop off pxelinux.0 from the filename and use the path
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| 05:03 | at keast thats what the code does
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| 05:03 | *least
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| 05:06 | <slashdotfx> this is some part of my tcpdump result,
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| 05:06 | IP 192.168.0.11.34154 > 192.168.0.1.69: 21 RRQ "/lts.conf" netascii
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| 05:09 | <ogra> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd
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| 05:09 | line 83 to 88
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| 05:21 | <alkisg> slashdotfx: maybe you somehow tell ipconfig not to use the values from dhcpd.conf? E.g. if you've put IPAPPEND in pxelinux.cfg/default, or if there's another dhcp server running, or if you have the filename option inside an "if" that's not valid for vendor identifier = "Linux ipconfig"...
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| 05:28 | <slashdotfx> i didn't append anything into pxelinux.cfg/default, only single dhcp server which I'm sure, and about the dhcp option
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| 05:29 | would you mind to take a look, here http://ltsp.pastebin.com/f40702730
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| 05:29 | <ogra> and your client is using PXE ?
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| 05:30 | <slashdotfx> yes ogra
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| 05:31 | <slashdotfx> I'm running jaunty, with the latest update (dist-upgrade, including ltsp-build-client)
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| 05:32 | and my pxelinux.0 is not from jaunty, I've replace it with feisty, since my client wont boot with it
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| 05:32 | if that matters :)
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| 05:33 | <alkisg> slashdotfx: there is your problem:
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| 05:33 | if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 05:33 | ipconfig does NOT send "PXEClient" as a vendor identifier, it sends "Linux ipconfig"
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| 05:33 | So it doesn't get the filename.
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| 05:34 | Remove the if, and it'll work fine (or fix it by using and "or")
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| 05:34 | <slashdotfx> this is my complete tcpdump, http://ltsp.pastebin.com/f10932c75
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> slashdotfx: append this in your dhcpd.conf if statement: or (substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 14) = "Linux ipconfig")
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| 05:36 | <slashdotfx> ok, right away
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| 05:38 | <ogra> feisty didnt have any code to read lts.conf via tftp
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| 05:38 | and feisty is long dead and unsupported
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> ogra, it's only pxelinux.0, it shouldn't make any difference...
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| 05:40 | <ogra> alkisg, ?
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| 05:40 | he is trying to load lts.conf via tftp
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| 05:40 | <alkisg> He didn't change the initrd, he only changed pxelinux.0
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| 05:40 | <ogra> there is no code in the initramfs for that in a feisty initramfs
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| 05:40 | <slashdotfx> bingo! IP 192.168.0.14.41756 > 192.168.0.1.69: 31 RRQ "/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" netascii
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| 05:40 | :) thank you very much
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| 05:40 | <alkisg> yw
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| 05:41 | ogra, as I understand, he's using the jaunty initramfs
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| 05:41 | <slashdotfx> yes, I've only replacing pxelinux.0
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| 05:41 | <alkisg> He just changed pxelinux.0 due to a nic incompatibility... shouldn't have any problem with that
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| 05:41 | <ogra> ah, k then i misunderstood :)
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> it's the release fever :P
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| 05:42 | <slashdotfx> gentlemen, I had to go now, thank you very much for your help, bye :)
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| 06:01 | <mole1962> Hi, any tricks for getting local devices to work with Gentoo, LTSP-5? LOCALDEV=True in lts.conf, docs say an icon should appear on the desktop, but it doesn't. I can mount a USB stick locally from the terminal shell (but not unmount it - /etc/mtab is read only...).
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| 06:06 | <ogra> icons only apprea on gnome desktops
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| 06:06 | *appear
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| 06:06 | on other systems you have to browse to /media/$USER/<devicename>
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| 06:07 | and dont fiddle on the client ... ltspfs never keeps the device mounted unless something does an actual write, you will not see it mounted on the client anyway
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| 06:09 | <mole1962> /media is empty, both when looged on as normal uses and as root. syslog shows :Successful su for root by root
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| 06:09 | Apr 23 12:09:18 msi su[7868]: + ??? root:root
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| 06:09 | type messages, if that gives any clues
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| 06:10 | <ogra> no idea what you are referring to ... syslog wont have anything about ltspfs mounts
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| 06:10 | check if ltspfsd is running on the client ...
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| 06:10 | <mole1962> it happenes when I plug and unplug a USB stick
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| 06:10 | <ogra> check your udev log on the client if it fires the ltspfs rules
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| 06:11 | <mole1962> and I got usb_id[7282]: unable to access '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.3/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb' in the logs doing it too quickly
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| 06:11 | <ogra> make sure ldm has set up the socket the communication runs through
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| 06:12 | make sure ltspfs is installed server side (ltspfsmounter gets executed through the ldm tunnel on plug by the udev rule on the client)
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| 06:13 | <mole1962> ltspfd is running OK - the login is with kdm. Will set ldm up and try that. Thanks
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| 06:13 | <ogra> kdm wont work
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| 06:13 | neither will gdm
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| 06:13 | we dont support XDMCP at all in ltsp ... at least feature wise
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| 06:14 | <mole1962> it does - the PC did have LTSP 4.2 on it B4. I've had an xdm login screen as well - but that didn't work properly
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| 06:15 | <ogra> all features we implemented in ltsp5 are 100% bound to the ldm ssh tunnel
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| 06:15 | <mole1962> ldm has just failed to compile
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| 06:15 | <ogra> you can use XDMCP, but wont have sound, localdev, local apps etc etc
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| 06:16 | XDMCP is simply to insecure to promote it
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| 06:20 | <mole1962> Looks like installing iso-codes will get ldm to compile
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| 06:22 | <ogra> right, it pulls its language list from there
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| 06:25 | <mole1962> I just remembered it from bugzilla or somewhere - ldm has compiled OK now.
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| 06:26 | but getting "no response from server restarting" messages
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| 06:27 | <ogra> your ssh server is running ?
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| 06:28 | <mole1962> yes - just tried restarting it and stopping the firewall just in case
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| 06:37 | <X-TaZ> Where can I find some help to mount the homes via a huge nfs server ? I want to use it with ltsp-cluster
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> mole1962: this message is displayed no matter what the actual error is; so usually it's a problem with the ssh keys. Try specifying SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and then to ssh to the server from the client console to see the error message.
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> alkisg, LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL=true in lts.conf should get terminal along with LDM
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> cyberorg: isn't that AFTER logging in?
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| 06:57 | At least in intrepid when I've tried it, that was the case...
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| 06:57 | <mole1962> alkisg - It was a password problem - I set the root password in the chroot environment different to the server, and using the new password got me logged in
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> k
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| 06:58 | <cyberorg> its S99-debug-terminal
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| 06:58 | <mole1962> but I've broken it trying to get KDE to start instead of basic server
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| 07:12 | <mole1962> Possibly daft question - I've got LDM back logging into TWM - could anyone let me know the LDM_XSESSION value I need to start KDE ? I don't need to install anothe KDE in the chroot environment do I?
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| 07:13 | <ogra> no
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| 07:13 | its not LDM_XSESSION but LDM_SESSION
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| 07:14 | and it sould point to your startkde script (wherever gentoo stores that)
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| 07:23 | <mole1962> No luck. LDM_SESSION=/usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde crashes LDM, which goes back to the login screen
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| 07:24 | <ogra> check ~/.xsession-errors of the user you log in with
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| 08:43 | <jammcq> Good morning #LTSP
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| 08:44 | <Drakonen> good afternoon
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| 08:47 | <Lumiere> 'morning
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| 08:48 | Ubuntu 09.04 released 30 minutes ago
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> Wait a week or so and you can get 9.05 :P
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| 09:09 | <chrisjrob> i am struggling to get italc working in the chroot under debian lenny, the install was simple enough, and i seem to be stuck on what is probably a relatively simple task of starting /usr/bin/ica on the client.
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| 09:09 | under ubuntu i guess it would be START_ITALC=True, but I suspect that this has not been implemented under debian.
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| 09:10 | i have added to init.d and it runs
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| 09:10 | but fails with cannot connect to xserver.
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: I have 0 experience with this, but I am guessing you are starting the service before the Xserver is up
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| 09:22 | <chrisjrob> yes i am. i think i should probably implement as an ldm script?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> you might be better served addind a script to the chroot's /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
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| 09:23 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: i'll give it a try. thanks!
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> I would recommend with the "I" prefix
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| 09:23 | like: I00-italc
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| 09:23 | or some such
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| 09:24 | <chrisjrob> should the file be formatted like init scripts, or just a simple bash script running the /usr/bin/ica
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> the files are sourced
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| 09:25 | so it should be a sh script
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| 09:25 | without any exit's or anything
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| 09:26 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: thanks.
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| 09:40 | <cliebow> ogra: to make firstclass client work in hardy i had to force insatll intrepids libqt-mt3..but i get multiple whining about unresolved dependencies for kstars etc..any rational way to make the dependency issue go away..
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| 09:42 | <mole1962> Hi, does anyone have any tips for client sould setup in Gentoo, LTSP 5? Alsa-plugins with pulseaudio USE flag installed on server and client, /etc/asound.conf file added, but all sound still from the server soundcard...?
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| 09:43 | Sorry, that was "client sound setup"
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| 09:50 | <rjune> ogra, ping
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| 10:14 | <mole1962> Now have no sound on server and hissing on client. alsamixer command on client gives "ALSA lib pulse.c:272:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Access denied" on the server.... ps aux|grep pulse shows /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog --disallow-module-loading=1 --fail=1 --daemonize=1 --system. Anyone any ideas?
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| 10:14 | And still no local devices showing in /media
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> mole1962: pulseaudio should run on the client, not the server
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| 10:19 | and through a logged in session, you should open a terminal window and type: env|grep PULSE
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| 10:19 | and check your PULSE_SERVER env variable
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| 10:20 | you should test first that pulse works, then move on to pulse-redirected-through-alsa
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| 10:22 | <ogra> rjune, pong
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| 10:23 | cliebow, probably ask in #kubuntu-devel or #kubuntu, the only clean way i can imagine would be to either use a backport or backport the lib yourself
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| 10:23 | <rjune> Is there anything for ubuntu that you know of that's similar to landscape, but allows you to be self hosted?
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| 10:24 | <ogra> not really, puppet is a cool anageent tool but no gui or anything for it afaik
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| 10:24 | *management
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| 10:24 | <rjune> puppet is like cfengine
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| 10:24 | <ogra> this kbd has a assive "m" issue
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| 10:24 | <rjune> I was looking for something like spacewalk or landscape.
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| 10:24 | <ogra> ebox ?
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| 10:25 | its the new webmin
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| 10:25 | <rjune> I wasn't impressed with what I've seen of ebox, it looks to be gosa, but less useful
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| 10:26 | <ogra> it was initially written by an ISP to give it to their users for ubuntu server maintenance
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| 10:26 | but afaik our server team extended it a lot
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| 10:26 | <mole1962> Gadi, PULSE_SERVER=tcp:192.168.2.22:4713, I've now got sound on the client - but the server sound is coming from teh client as well..??
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| 10:26 | <ogra> so you can use it as a general management tool
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| 10:26 | <rjune> I'll poke it again with 9.04
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> mole1962: what?
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| 10:28 | <mole1962> GAdi - yes, play an mp3 on the server with noatun and it comes out of the client speakers... The "permission denied" pulse error was on the server
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| 10:28 | <rjune> too bad the server team doesn't have any openings
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| 10:28 | <ogra> mole1962, stop messing around on both sides at the same time :) ...
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| 10:29 | ld sets PULSE_SERVER if the client detects SOUND=True on boot
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| 10:29 | *ldm
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| 10:29 | * Gadi hands ogra an 'm' | |
| 10:29 | <mole1962> It's nearly there now.... KDE running OK, pulseaudio on the client
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> want to buy a vowel?
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| 10:29 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:29 | i'm reluctant to give up my SUN^WOracle kbd
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| 10:30 | but its losing its m
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> mole1962: are you logged ina as the same user in both server console and client?
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| 10:30 | <mole1962> yes - logged in as root on both .... hmm
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| 10:30 | * Gadi wonders if an Oracle keyboard uses a database to mine for the 'm' key | |
| 10:30 | <ogra> dont do that
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| 10:30 | lol
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> mole1962: one user per session
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| 10:31 | one eggroll per customer
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| 10:31 | no exceptions
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| 10:31 | <mole1962> Ok will try - was using root to avoid permission stuff until it's working
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> face ur demons
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| 10:32 | <rjune> Gadi, but I really want two eggrolls
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> rjune: no soup for you!
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| 10:32 | <ogra> you can have a bagle and an egroll
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| 10:32 | but no two egrolls :)
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| 10:33 | <rjune> I give tippy tippy
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| 10:34 | <mole1962> OK, logged on as normal user on client.. sound Ok on client, hissing on server
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| 10:36 | "alsamixer" on server => "ALSA lib pulse.c:272:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Access denied"
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| 10:37 | <ogra> you can set up a virtual alsa device
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| 10:38 | create an asoundrc for your user
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| 10:38 | pcm.!default { type pulse }
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| 10:38 | ctl.!default { type pulse }
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| 10:39 | <mole1962> don't really know what I'm doing... just following the Gentoo Wiki which said to create /etc/asound.conf which has :
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| 10:39 | ppcm.!default {
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| 10:39 | type pulse
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| 10:39 | }
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| 10:39 | ctl.!default {
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| 10:39 | type pulse
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| 10:39 | }
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| 10:39 | <ogra> there is one p to much :)
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| 10:40 | <mole1962> yep.... copy and pasting - the file's OK
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| 10:40 | <ogra> ctl.!default should actually give you a volume control for the pulse server on the client
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| 10:40 | <mole1962> but it's /etc/asound.conf, not rc ... ?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> well, no idea what files gentoo uses :)
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| 10:41 | in ubuntu we have an ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf on a per user base
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| 10:41 | /etc/asound.conf is a bit global ... so all your users will use pulse
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| 10:43 | <mole1962> don't mind them all using ALSA...
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| 10:44 | <ogra> they all use pulse
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| 10:44 | <mole1962> on the client, alsamixer gives a volume control for PULSE (in the GUI, not logged in directly to the client)
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| 10:44 | <ogra> on top of alsa
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| 10:44 | <mole1962> anything that works would do...:)
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| 10:45 | <ogra> well what you describe above is how it should work
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| 10:45 | "<mole1962> on the client, alsamixer gives a volume control for PULSE"
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| 10:45 | thats exactly the right behavior
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| 10:45 | <mole1962> It's just the server permissions
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| 10:46 | <ogra> well, with the setting in your asound.conf you enforce pulse usage for all users
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| 10:46 | so ake sure pulse runs on the server and your users have perissions to control it
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| 10:46 | <mole1962> I've just copied /etc/asound.conf to /root, and alsamixer is working...
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| 10:49 | Thanks for the help - I'll carry on in the morning (need some sleep)
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| 10:51 | It's sort of working : use SMPlayer on the server and the sound is from the server, use Noatun on the clinet and the sound comes from the clinet speakers :) Thaks again
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| 10:59 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: thanks for your help earlier, script is running okay, but then stumbling over "ISD-server could not be started because port 5800 is already in use".
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| 10:59 | a ps -ef shows that /usr/bin/ica is running twice
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> sounds like you need to make sure it dies
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| 11:01 | * chrisjrob scratches his head | |
| 11:01 | <chrisjrob> sorry Gadi, I don't follow
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> pastebot your script, as well as the output of ps -ef from the client
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| 11:01 | !pastebot
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| 11:01 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:01 | <chrisjrob> will do.
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| 11:04 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "script ica-launcher" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/304
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| 11:06 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: i can't think of a way to get the client ps -ef somewhere accessible
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> ps -ef >/tmp/foo; scp /tmp/foo user@server:
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| 11:07 | <chrisjrob> thanks Gadi
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> I assume ica runs in the background
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| 11:12 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "client ps -ef" (45 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/305
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> looks like you have leftovers from your previous attempt
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| 11:13 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: i've rebooted client between attempts
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> that is what it looks like from a fresh boot?
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| 11:14 | <chrisjrob> the two /usr/bin/ica entries - seem to happen after every boot
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| 11:15 | i suspect the second is being tripped up by the first,
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| 11:15 | but i'm only launching it once
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| 11:15 | if i remove my script, neither run
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> ah - the second is actually a child of the first
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| 11:15 | * Gadi just looked more closely | |
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> so, either, your ica command is wrong
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| 11:17 | OR you have something else running on port 5800
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| 11:17 | played with vnc in the chroot at all?
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| 11:17 | <chrisjrob> i have tried other ports and it still fails
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| 11:17 | no i have not tried installing vnc in the chroot at all
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| 11:17 | it really is a very clean setup (so far!)
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> are you sure about the error message?
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> install nmap on your server, and run: sudo nmap -sP <thinclientip>
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| 11:21 | or -sS
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| 11:23 | <chrisjrob> the latter showed just 6007/tcp open X11:7
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 11:25 | <chrisjrob> i've changed my script to run:
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| 11:26 | /usr/bin/ica -noshm -ivsport 5800 -isdport 5900 >> /var/log/ica-launcher.log 2>&1
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| 11:26 | but no different
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> ok, do this:
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| 11:26 | at the client shell:
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| 11:26 | pkill -9 '/usr/bin/ica'
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| 11:26 | ps -efw|grep ica
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| 11:26 | make sure it is dead
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| 11:26 | then, do:
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| 11:26 | export DISPLAY=:7
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| 11:27 | export XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-xauth<tab><tab>
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| 11:27 | (in other words, whatever the XAUTHORITY file is - its a long variable name)
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| 11:27 | :)
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| 11:27 | then:
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| 11:27 | run your ica command from the client
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| 11:27 | without the redirections
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| 11:28 | and tell me the error
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| 11:29 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: ldm-xauth does not exist on my client
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> hmm.. maybe its xauth-ldm...
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| 11:30 | I always forget
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| 11:30 | <chrisjrob> only thing in /var/run is ldm and rsyslogd.pid
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> ah, look in /var/run/ldm
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| 11:30 | <chrisjrob> and under ldm is the server IP
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 11:31 | /var/cache?
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| 11:31 | * Gadi checks the code... | |
| 11:32 | <Gadi> XAUTHORITY=`mktemp -u /var/run/ldm-xauth-XXXXXXXXX`
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| 11:32 | should be there
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| 11:32 | <chrisjrob> perhaps ldm couldn't load completely because of my script
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> ah - did ldm not load?
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| 11:33 | <chrisjrob> no, just displayed that isd-server error and stopped
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> oh!
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| 11:33 | <chrisjrob> sorry, probably should have saiid that earlier!
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| 11:33 | * chrisjrob blushes | |
| 11:33 | <chrisjrob> shall i remove my script, reboot and follow your commands?
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> does ica run in the background?
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| 11:34 | either way, at the end of your script, add the word: true
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| 11:34 | on its own line
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| 11:34 | <chrisjrob> okay
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> you never want to end a sourced file with a nonzero return value
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| 11:34 | (ie an error)
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| 11:35 | otherwise, nothing runs
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| 11:36 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "modified ica script" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/306
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> better
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| 11:37 | <chrisjrob> changed and rebooted, but still just an error and black screen.
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> and if you take out the script, you get ldm?
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| 11:37 | <chrisjrob> yes.
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> try:
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| 11:38 | /usr/bin/ica -noshm -ivsport 5800 -isdport 5900 >> /var/log/ica-launcher.log 2>&1 || true
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| 11:42 | <chrisjrob> sorry Gadi, no different.
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| 11:44 | btw you previously asked me to use I00 prefix, but ldm did not pick it up, and reading ldm-script it looks like only the Sxx scripts are processed, so I went back to my S20 prefix.
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| 11:52 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "modified ica script" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/307
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| 11:52 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: that still fails, but continues to load ldm and desktop.
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| 11:57 | Gadi: there is still no /var/run/ldm-xuth...
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| 11:58 | but there is now an ldm_socket_vt7_XXXXXXXXXXX file.
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| 11:58 | which there wasn't before (in /var/run)
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> hey
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| 12:07 | sorry had a ph call
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| 12:07 | you must be on an older version of ldm that did not have the I* prefix
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| 12:08 | S* should only be called upon login
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| 12:09 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: that's okay - i don't expect your undivided attention - at least not for what i'm paying you ;)
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| 12:12 | <cliebow> ogra: appreciate your answer to an off-topic..got yanked away here..
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: what version are you on?
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| 12:14 | <chrisjrob> ldm 2:2.0.6-4
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> what distro?
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| 12:15 | <chrisjrob> debian lenny, ltsp 5.1.10-2
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> and when you: ls /var/run
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| 12:15 | <pmatulis> anyone using gnome-watchdog?
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> you don't see any ldm-xauth*
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| 12:16 | <chrisjrob> no just ldm, ldm_socket_vt_serverip, .ramfs and rsyslogd.pid
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> weird
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| 12:16 | and if you run: DISPLAY=:7 ica
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| 12:17 | on the client?
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| 12:17 | (from a shell)
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| 12:17 | <Blinny> pmatulis: Yeah
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> oh, wait!
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| 12:17 | debian!
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| 12:18 | <pmatulis> Blinny: i wonder why it's not in the ubuntu repositories
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| 12:18 | Blinny: does it work well?
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> does ica need write access to anything other than /tmp?
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| 12:18 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: DISPLAY=:7 ica seems to work okay, at least no errors, but it is in foreground
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| 12:19 | <NCommander> Hey all. Question; I have a sparc-based server I want to use as an LTSP server serving i386 clients. I obviously can't build the chroot on the SPARC (I have access to an i386 to build the chroot), so what do I need to do to build the chroot on one machine, and transfer it elsewhere?
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: change your script to simply: /usr/bin/ica &
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| 12:20 | or, better:
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| 12:20 | /usr/bin/ica &
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| 12:20 | true
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| 12:21 | NCommander: plan to use nbd or nfs?
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| 12:22 | <NCommander> Gadi, I'm not really sure. I've done netbooting before, but this is my first round playing with LTSP
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> actually, if your distro has sparc support, it may have the ltsp-server package
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| 12:22 | <NCommander> It looks like I can simply build my chroot and then scp it to the SPARC, and then just do the normal voodoo to configure NFS and dhcp
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| 12:22 | Gadi, it does, but the build chroot command is unlikely to work
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:22 | <NCommander> (the sparc running ubuntu jaunty 9.04)
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> but, the package should configure everything else
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| 12:22 | <NCommander> RIght, it did (as far as I know)
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> so, just copy the image over
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| 12:23 | you may also want to copy the whole chroot
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| 12:23 | actually, yeah, copy the entirety of /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:23 | as well as /opt/ltsp/image
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| 12:24 | */opt/ltsp/images
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| 12:24 | put them in the same place
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| 12:24 | and then run: sudo ltsp-update-kernel
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| 12:24 | <NCommander> meh
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| 12:24 | Today is not the day to build chroots
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| 12:25 | (new Ubuntu release has slammed the mirrors ;.;)
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> you may also need to manually copy the Sparc server's ssh keys into the chroot's /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 12:25 | before you roll the image
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| 12:25 | * nubae wonders why people dont use torrents on release day | |
| 12:25 | <NCommander> Gadi, thanks, you've been loads of help
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> np
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| 12:25 | <NCommander> nubae, you can't use a torrent to upgrade :-/
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| 12:26 | <nubae> ah true...
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| 12:26 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: thanks for your help, i'm going to be locked in if i'm not careful, i'll pick this up again tomorrow. goodnight.
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| 12:26 | <NCommander> Gadi, how many people run LTSP on non-x86/powerpc machines
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| 12:26 | <nubae> wish there was something like rsync to torrent
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| 12:26 | then u could do incremental
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> nubae: i think the whole point of torrents is you are gathering seeds
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| 12:27 | so, its always incremental
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| 12:28 | <nubae> yeah, but lets say u have image.iso
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| 12:28 | <Blinny> pmatulis: Yes, works mostly well. Will need some tweaking for your setup. I had to change the time values for mine.
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| 12:28 | <nubae> and u now want to download a new image.iso
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| 12:28 | rsync can look for the differences and only download that
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| 12:28 | <Blinny> pmatulis: FYI you can use the 32-bit deb on either 32 or 64-bit installations.
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> rsync would still download the whole file
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| 12:28 | <nubae> so even with p2p, it would be quicker to download just what u need and not the whole thing
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| 12:28 | <Blinny> Isn't there apt-p2p
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> its a single binary blob
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| 12:29 | <nubae> no, it wouldnt
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| 12:29 | <pmatulis> Blinny: thanks, so it works well. now have you found it very useful?
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> no?
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| 12:29 | <nubae> I use it to incrementally download new releases
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| 12:29 | <Blinny> pmatulis: Sure. Kills old processes.
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| 12:29 | <nubae> downloads 10 times quicker
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| 12:29 | <NCommander> Blinny, there is, but its not setup out of the box
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| 12:29 | <Blinny> Gadi: No, it only dl's the changed bits.
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> pmatulis: you may want to experiment with: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True in lts.conf
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| 12:29 | <Blinny> (rsync, that is)
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> Blinny, nubae: ok, ok
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| 12:30 | <nubae> :-) finally something Gadi doesn't know! ;-)
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| 12:30 | <pmatulis> Gadi: thanks, took note
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| 12:30 | <NCommander> Gadi, next question, is it possible to take a LTSP setup, and make it so changes are not saved?
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> define changes
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| 12:31 | <NCommander> Gadi, I reboot the machine and it goes back to a clean slate
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> thats default
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| 12:31 | <NCommander> oh
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| 12:31 | Perfect
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> for the client
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| 12:31 | * NCommander bets his LTSP newbieness is showing | |
| 12:31 | <Gadi> of course, if a user changes stuff on the server, it sticks
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| 12:31 | <NCommander> Gadi, we're using this to demo Ubuntu jaunty on a bunch of older PCs, so thats fine
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> how come you're using a sparc server?
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| 12:35 | its like you're skipping to the advanced LTSP course without taking the intro
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> i had tested sparc a while back, but there was a bug that prevented it from really being used as a thin client
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| 12:36 | <NCommander> vagrantc, its a server, not a client
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| 12:36 | Gadi, its a demo, I'm showing off Ubuntu on SPARC, running LTSP serving i386 clients
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| 12:36 | Gadi, I've done netboot solutions before (quite alot with NetBSD) in a similar setup
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| 12:36 | so I'm not a complete newbie to this
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:37 | <NCommander> LTSP looks fairly easy to get going so I'm hoping its something I can get going with just a bit of fiddling
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| 12:37 | * NCommander suspects if this was an i386 it would be a pure turnkey solution | |
| 12:37 | <Gadi> we welcome fiddling
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| 12:37 | it keeps ogra awake ;)
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| 12:40 | <NCommander> Gadi, ogra sleeps?
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| 12:40 | :-)
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> thats the rumor
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| 12:45 | <NCommander> hrm
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| 12:45 | * Gadi doesnt believe it | |
| 12:45 | <NCommander> ltsp-build-chroots installed Xubuntu vs. Ubuntu
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| 12:45 | ARGH]
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| 12:45 | *build-client
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> ?
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| 12:46 | <NCommander> I'm on an ubuntu host
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> l-b-c shouldn't install either
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| 12:46 | <NCommander> It just installed xubuntu's artwork packages
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| 12:46 | Oh, just the usplash artwork
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| 12:46 | */panic off*
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| 12:49 | <NCommander> ogra, #ltsp
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| 12:49 | <ogra> NCommander, i'm not sleeping ... post-release-relaxing ;)
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| 12:49 | <NCommander> Uhh
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| 12:49 | why is /etc/apt/sources: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
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| 12:49 | (and -src line)
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| 12:49 | That doesn't seem right ...
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| 12:50 | <ogra> you shoudl use --copy-sourceslist for ltsp-build-client
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| 12:51 | i dont think anybody ever tried LTSP ubuntu sparc
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| 12:51 | <NCommander> ogra, I'm building the image on i386
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| 12:51 | ogra, then I'll copy it to SPARC once I know it works, and serve from there
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| 12:52 | <ogra> makes sense
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| 12:52 | do you have gnome fully working on sparc ?
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| 12:52 | <NCommander> ogra, I dunno, maybe
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| 12:52 | <ogra> (note the whole session runs serverside)
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| 12:53 | <NCommander> So don't install ubuntu-desktop into the chroot?
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| 12:53 | :-)
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| 12:53 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:54 | sudo ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist ... then tar up /var/lib/tftpboot and copy it over to the sparc ... create /opt/ltsp/images on the sparc and copy the image in there
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| 12:54 | <NCommander> ogra, and install Ubuntu -desktop on the SPARC, right?
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| 12:54 | <ogra> then you install ltsp-server-standalone on the sparc ...
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| 12:54 | * NCommander already did | |
| 12:55 | <ogra> and copy /etc/inetd.conf from the machine you built the image on
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| 12:55 | that should get you properly booting clients
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| 12:55 | <ogra> next you need any desktop installed ... ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu as you like
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| 12:56 | <NCommander> I'll be darned
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| 12:56 | <ogra> thouch kubuntu and xubuntu both have issues ...
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| 12:56 | <NCommander> ubuntu-desktop is MOSTLY installable
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| 12:56 | <ogra> *though
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| 12:56 | <NCommander> :-)
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| 12:56 | (one of the Xorg drivers is hosed, but this server has no framebuffer, so I don't care)
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| 12:56 | <ogra> you dont need x on the sparc
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| 12:56 | <NCommander> right, but I do need the desktop, right?
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| 12:57 | <ogra> right
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| 12:57 | <NCommander> the desktop tries to pull in X
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| 12:57 | (at least on sparc)
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| 12:57 | <ogra> well, it needs xlibs
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| 12:57 | but no driver
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| 12:57 | * NCommander nods | |
| 12:57 | <NCommander> Thanks for your help ogra
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| 12:58 | <ogra> the ltsp login manager then basically does: ssh -Y user@server /etc/X11/Xsession default
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| 12:59 | <NCommander> ah
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| 12:59 | that makes sense
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| 13:04 | <NCommander> I guess we're about to see how ubuntu-desktop on SPARC works
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| 13:08 | * Blinny waits with baited breath... | |
| 13:17 | <NCommander> I got as far as loading usplash
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| 13:17 | Then something failed
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| 13:19 | <ogra> edit your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file ... drop the spalsh
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| 13:19 | splash
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| 13:19 | check the errors
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| 13:19 | <NCommander> I just did
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| 13:20 | * NCommander is waiting for the PC to restart | |
| 13:20 | <NCommander> I got a connection refused, and then it failed to pull up the root fs
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| 13:20 | I think it tried to NFS mount
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| 13:21 | <ogra> it shouldnt
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| 13:21 | <NCommander> hrm
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| 13:21 | <ogra> you copied the tftpboot stuff from the x86 machine you built on, right ?
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| 13:21 | <NCommander> ogra, yeah, ...
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| 13:21 | Oh
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| 13:22 | I did something stupid
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| 13:22 | the ltsp folder ended up in /opt/opt/ltsp :-)
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| 13:22 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:22 | <NCommander> I bet thats what did it
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| 13:22 | (not sure why that would cause a connection refused message though)
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| 13:22 | <ogra> likely, since it wont find the image
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| 13:22 | iage location needs to be the sae as set in inetd.conf
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| 13:22 | *sa_m_e
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| 13:23 | <NCommander> ok, lets try it again
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| 13:25 | Still getting a Connection refused, but I'm not sure what its refusing on
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| 13:29 | <ogra> is nbd-server installed on the sparc ?
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| 13:29 | (ltsp-server sgould have pulled it in)
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| 13:30 | <NCommander> ogra, I forgot to restart inetd >.>;
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| 13:30 | <ogra> ouch
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| 13:30 | <NCommander> (ltsp added the tftp lines, but I added the ndb-server one)
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| 13:30 | It booted that time, but my laptop made a really loud flatline tone
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| 13:32 | <ogra> there should be a nbdrootd line ... its not nbd-server directly
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| 13:32 | <NCommander> 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:32 | That's what I have
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| 13:32 | <ogra> good
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| 13:33 | <NCommander> I dunno why the thinkpad keeps making that awful tone though
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| 13:33 | like someone holding down a key too long
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| 13:33 | <ogra> does LDM come up ?
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| 13:33 | <NCommander> ogra, LDM?
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| 13:33 | <ogra> the display manager
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| 13:33 | <ltsppbot> "cyberorg" pasted "Gadi: X01-localapps and ltsp-init-common modifications needed for skype to work as localapps on suse" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/308
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| 13:33 | <NCommander> I think so
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| 13:33 | Let me try it with this laptop
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| 13:33 | that thinkpad has issues
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| 13:34 | <cyberorg> Gadi, can you review that please?
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| 13:34 | <NCommander> brb
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| 13:35 | <ogra> -L "module-suspend-on-idle timeout=1" should be in a conditional as well
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| 13:35 | <cyberorg> ogra, conditional?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> else your pulse server will shut down if not in use
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| 13:35 | if -> then -> else
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| 13:35 | <cyberorg> but won't it come back when needed?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> it shoudlnt be set on normal clients
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| 13:36 | <cyberorg> ok, so what should be the condition?
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| 13:36 | <ogra> i dont think it does if you try to trigger it remotely
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| 13:36 | LOCAL_APPS probably
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| 13:36 | <cyberorg> someone sent that in after testing it http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?cfgid=kiwi-ltsp&id=57
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| 13:37 | <ogra> we dont use alsa or oss
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| 13:37 | not in client mode nor do any of the normal desktop apps
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| 13:37 | o agree about the audio group
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| 13:37 | *i
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| 13:38 | <cyberorg> skype does not seem to like pa
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| 13:38 | <ogra> right, so make the user use ekiga :)
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| 13:38 | or make it a special lts.conf setting
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| 13:38 | ALLOW_OSS
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| 13:39 | but then *you* have to have the fight with warren :P he just dropped all OSS code from LTSP this week
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| 13:39 | anyway, i'll take a break before my nightly meeting and conf call ...
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> the OSS code was just a warning anyways
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| 13:40 | <ogra> right, but the comit essage had "die die die !" in it :)
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> yeah he just dropped warnings
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> heh. yeah, i guess it's the sentiment...
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> cyberorg: check the pulseaudio timeout thing with normal ldm
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| 13:40 | <ogra> right
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| 13:40 | <mcasadevall> This laptop can't netboot :-/
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> or better, with ldm on one screen and rdesktop on another
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| 13:41 | <cyberorg> Gadi, it didn't work with normal ldm
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| 13:41 | <ogra> mcasadevall, rom-o-matic.com :)
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> then dont include it
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| 13:41 | :)
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| 13:41 | its not a good way to handle things
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| 13:41 | <mcasadevall> ogra, indeed, but such a PITA
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| 13:41 | <ogra> anyway, i' out for 2h or so until the meeting
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> you should be able to pipe all audio into pulseaudio
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| 13:41 | even when local
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| 13:42 | <ogra> skype should be started with padsp or something
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:42 | <ogra> (though that might actually require the audio group)
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| 13:42 | not sure
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> group handling should be done on the server
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| 13:43 | <ogra> right
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> he should be in the audio group there
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| 13:43 | <ogra> its copied anyway
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| 13:43 | cyberorg, so tell him to prefix skype with padsp
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:43 | <ogra> that should solve it without hacks
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> this is not a good patch
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| 13:43 | <ogra> -> &
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| 13:43 | <cyberorg> ogra, skype does not work with that, it is quite stubborn :)
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> ltsp-localapps "padsp skype"
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| 13:44 | (just make sure padsp is available in the chroot)
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| 13:44 | <cyberorg> Gadi, see the bug report, he tried that
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> well, his user is either not in the audio group on the server OR localapps is broken on his version of kiwi
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| 13:47 | because part of what localapps does is put the user in the right groups
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| 13:47 | without his hack
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| 13:47 | so, that needs to be explored
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| 13:48 | I also only see reference to padsp audacity
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| 13:48 | not padsp skype
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| 13:48 | pulseaudio's own page says that there are problems with audacity
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| 13:49 | again, not a good patch
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| 13:49 | at least not for upstream
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| 13:50 | <Lns> I've used audacity a lot, it seems to be pretty picky with audio subsystems in general
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| 13:50 | <mcasadevall> Ok, I got the system to boot to LDM, but I can't get it to login
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| 13:51 | <cyberorg> Gadi, ok, asking him to dig deeper :)
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| 14:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: any idea if bluetooth device pairing is fixed in Jaunty?
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| 14:14 | <rjune> How's Gadi
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| 14:43 | <NCommander> w00t, success!
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| 17:30 | <epsas> anybody have aufs experience?
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| 19:23 | <Ahmuck-Sr> good evening. are there any "gotcha's" i should be aware about doing a 81.0 to 9.04 upgrade on a ubuntu ltsp server?
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| 23:39 | <slashdotfx> IP 192.168.0.14.41756 > 192.168.0.1.69: 31 RRQ "/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" netascii
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| 23:40 | aih, sorry, wrong channel
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