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IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 September 2019   (all times are UTC)

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17:29
<Hyperbyt1>
Hey alkisg... remember I told you about the freezing clients? I found out why they're freezing: running out of RAM.
17:30Hyperbyt1 is now known as Hyperbyte
17:30
<Hyperbyte>
Which kind of annoys me... they have 4 GB ram, but they freeze out with 10-20 tabs open in a web browser. I really thought 4 GB was enough to handle that.
17:53
I wonder if there's any tricks to reduce fat client memory usage?
17:58
I do have 100+ GB diskspace available on the server... maybe I should just enable NBD swap?
18:04
<alkisg>
(08:53:48 PM) Hyperbyte: I wonder if there's any tricks to reduce fat client memory usage? ==> this is the same as in any client, not specific to ltsp
18:04
nbd-swap => eh, ok, but local swap is a lot better
18:05
I think the best option is nbd-swap AND zswap, but it's in my todo to give it a check, as a heard lots of issues with low ram etc lately (again not specific to ltsp)
18:17
<Hyperbyte>
I understand, but I don't have local storage on the clients.
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18:17
<Hyperbyte>
I could spend some money putting SSD's in for swap, but then I might as well just stick more RAM in.
18:18
<||cw>
Hyperbyte: it all depends what's in those tabs. I have a handful that take 1/2 a gig or more, a a bunch under 100MB. heck adblock itself takes 300MB
18:22* alkisg moved to ublock origin
18:22
<alkisg>
But yeah I think javascript made things 1000 times slower, so now we need 1000 times faster PCs, to do the same things we did in the past with C... :/
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18:30
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, browsing web has become most intensive thing to do with a computer...
18:30* MWALTERS admits... he used to be a front end dev
18:30
<MWALTERS>
well, "full stack" ;)
18:31
v8/js can be efficient
18:31
...if the dev doesn't HORRENDOUSLY STUPID THINGS
18:31* MWALTERS calms down
18:35
<||cw>
MWALTERS: heh, the react+node rewrite and refactor of an old php+jqueryui site I'm working on so far is a good 10 times faster
18:40
<MWALTERS>
I was a jquery and then angular(2 at the time) dev mostly
18:40
mostly node and go for backend stuff
18:41
ng2 was HEAVY, but everything I was writing was for internal clients, so I knew the machine specs... "batteries included" was worth it... I was basically rewriting a bunch of MS access applications
18:42
it was a whole lot faster than ng1, though
18:42
at least once you had anything of any appreciable size
18:42
Golang is a joy to right though... it really makes you feel like you're writing C again... without like... shooting yourself in the foot constantly ;)
18:42
s/right/write
18:45
My boss was out the past two weeks... we have a home built system for case management... php... had to troubleshoot an issue with it... what a mess. I don't think I've hacked on PHP since hacking on phpBB back in like... 2004ish
18:45
1,975lines this one file was D:
18:45
homebrew system copy and pasted together by people who aren't devs
18:46
one day I'll have the free time...
18:52
<||cw>
best part is I wrote the php one, in 2012 I think, maybe older than that. and I've fixed a few bugs no one has reported as I inspect for refactor.
18:52
it's not a mess really as I did use objects and templates, but it is a bit unruly in some places
18:53
<MWALTERS>
the whole "paradigm" of php just feels so... backwards now ;)
18:54
<||cw>
biggest php file in it is 2885 lines, and no html in it, but does have a lot of multi-lined arrays for readability
18:55
<MWALTERS>
yeah, this file I was trouble shooting was literally the same 10 lines of code, copy and pasted over and over to define variables in a template
18:55
I was so mad ;)
18:56
<||cw>
this one really should have been 8 different files.
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