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Channel log from 25 October 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<kas>
the damn keymap is still the same :p
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<grapp>
hello i have a problem with setting up a thinclient when i want to to start the client with gpxe floppy i get this message: no filename or root path specified no more network devices. Where i must set the rootpath? i hope somebody can help me
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<alkisg>
grapp: you need to set it in your dhcpd.conf
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<grapp>
alkisg: can you send me an example?
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<alkisg>
grapp: distro/version?
10:22
<grapp>
alkisg: ubuntu jaunty
10:23
<alkisg>
Is your dhcp server running? Try: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
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<grapp>
ok one moment i must login first
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<grapp>
alkisg: yes the server is runnig
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<alkisg>
grapp: ok. Do you have another dhcp server in your network? E.g. a router?
10:28
and, how is your client connected to the ltsp-server? On it's second nic, on a seperate switch etc?
10:28
<grapp>
yes
10:28
alkisg: server and client connectet to a switch but the router also
10:29
<alkisg>
That's the wrong cabling
10:29
The recommented setup is for the clients to be on a seperate subnet
10:29
You can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same switch
10:29
There are workarounds, but you deviate from the recommented setup
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<grapp>
so ist is recommented to habe to nics for the server
10:30
<alkisg>
2 nics, yes
10:30
Or, you could turn off the dhcp server in your router
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<grapp>
and when is disconnectet the router and test the configuration without internet it must work
10:30
<alkisg>
Or, you could go to workarounds...
10:31
Yes, it should work if you turn off the dhcp server from the router
10:31
<grapp>
ok i think i turn off the dhcp server into the router
10:31
<alkisg>
Or if you pull out the router temporarily
10:32
grapp: how many nics on your server? 1 or 2?
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<grapp>
at the time 1 but it is only a test enviroment i can order 2 nics for the final enviroment
10:33
<alkisg>
What IP does it have?
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(=run ifconfig eth0
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<grapp>
192.168.0.104
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<alkisg>
Hmmm I don't think that's a static IP, is it?
10:34
<grapp>
no
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<alkisg>
For dhcp3-server to run properly when you unplug the router, you should have a static ip
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<grapp>
i think i must set a static ip when i disconnectet the router
10:35
<alkisg>
I.e set it to 192.168.0.1
10:36
<grapp>
ok thank you for help i want to try and than come back to report
10:36
<alkisg>
ok
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<grapp>
see yot later
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<alkisg>
bye!
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<grapp>
alkisg: thank you it works
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<alkisg>
grapp: you're welcome. There are workarounds for 1 nic, if you want to keep using it this way I can give you some links for this...
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<grapp>
but when i try to login on ubuntu login manager then i get the message no response from server restarting and the login manager going to restart
11:23
maybe there is no windowmanager
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alkisg: is it possible?
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<alkisg>
grapp: when you change ip to the server, you need to run:
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sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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sudo ltsp-update-image
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After that, reboot the client.
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<grapp>
oh i forgot the sshkeys thanks i want to try again brb
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<grapp>
alkisg: So im back and i have update-sshkeys but the login problem is still there
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<alkisg>
Did you also run ltsp-update-image?
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<grapp>
yes
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<alkisg>
and rebooted the client?
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<grapp>
also
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<alkisg>
Can you disable the router dhcp server, so that you can be here for feedback and also boot a client?
11:37
<grapp>
maybe i need to install a desktop-enviroment in the chroot and update the image
11:37
<alkisg>
No, no de is needed in the chroot
11:37
Do you have a de on the server?
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Or is it "ubuntu server" ?
11:38
<grapp>
ubuntu server without enviroment
11:38
<alkisg>
Then you need to install a de on the server
11:38
*not* on the chroot
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I think `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` should do it
11:39
<grapp>
ok and one more question for example i want to install firefox fore the clients how i do it firefox install on the server or in the chroot ?
11:39
<alkisg>
On the server,
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<grapp>
and then update image
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<alkisg>
*unless* you want it to run as localapp
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What will your client specs be?
11:40
RAM/CPU?
11:40
<grapp>
sorry i dont understand your question but i want to run the app on the server.
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<alkisg>
Then you just install it on the server
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No update image necessary
11:41
I was asking about how fast your PCs will be, ram and cpu, so that I would propose that you ran firefox locally
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<grapp>
ok i understand the chroot is only for the apps which running on the client
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<alkisg>
"localapps" is a trick that makes the clients run *some* applications locally, so that they run faster
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So if you clients have > 256 RAM, you should do that, it will be faster.
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<grapp>
ok now i have understand
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<alkisg>
ok
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<grapp>
alkisg: now i use the ubuntu server edition on the server but what is better the server edition or the normal ubuntu desktop edition because of the standard installation of a de on the desktop edition yout understand what i mean?
11:47
<fasthans>
hello everyone.
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<grapp>
hello fasthans
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<fasthans>
I installed gimp in the chroot environment.
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and I setup the network printer as a cups printer
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hi grapp
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now when I call up the print dialog on the thin client. it takes about 15 seconds and then suddenly the cups/network printer is shown.
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any idea why it is so slow?
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<alkisg>
grapp: there shouldn't be any difference. For newer installations, the alternate cd is recommented
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...because it doesn't need internet access to install the ltsp chroot
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<fasthans>
hi alkis
11:53
can you help me on the above issue?
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<grapp>
ok and what do you think i should use a wm or a de i think a de is maybe very slow or? sorry for my hundereds of questions but iam a newbe forgive me xD
11:54
<alkisg>
fasthans: sorry, I don't know why would that be.
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grapp: a de shouldn't be slow. Video playback is another subject, though :)
11:56
<grapp>
ok
11:57
im away to install a de on my server thx for help brb
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<fasthans>
to be more precise: I open the print dialog in gimp and then it takes about 15 seconds for the printer to show up. each time I call up the print dialog it's again 15 seconds.
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but I can print from the thin client
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nad ideas?
12:00
any ideas
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<Ahmuck>
u can print or can't
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<alkisg>
I'd like to be able to let my users change their own real names. Any existing way to do that, other than writing my own wrapper around usermod and making it suid root?
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<kas>
i have a problem with my ltsp clients/server setup, someone care to help? its a problem with keyboard layout on the client
14:28
the layout in X is ok; but ain't good in cli
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<alkisg>
kas: distro/version?
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<kas>
debian 5.0.3
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<alkisg>
Is that Lenny? I'm not really familiar with debian...
14:37
<kas>
yep
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<alkisg>
Has Lenny switched to using console-setup for console?
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<kas>
and i have another question
14:38
how to do?
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<alkisg>
I.e. if you chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, does that work?
14:38
<kas>
nope :p tryed it already
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perl warning
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<alkisg>
? did you mount /proc?
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<kas>
nope
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<alkisg>
Hrm works fine on my Ubuntu without mounting proc. So yup, can't help you, sorry... :(
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<kas>
and whats about adding packages? for users to use
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<alkisg>
If noone answers, try on a weekday where more people are here
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<kas>
like iceweasel?
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I chroot?
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<alkisg>
You add those on the server usually
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<kas>
on the server
14:40
ok
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<alkisg>
Unless your clients are powerful enough for you to use "localapps"
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<kas>
oke, i'll install them on the server
14:41
what about a terminal in X?
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<alkisg>
What do you mean? how to run an xterm?
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<kas>
i have only gksu (for root terminal) but after entering password it wont start
14:42
yeah
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<alkisg>
Don't you have gnome-terminal installed?
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Or, just run xterm...
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<kas>
oke
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<alkisg>
(I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying...)
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<kas>
i just want to start an terminal as a normal user
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and the root terminal as wel but it asks for a passwd but after entering it jsut quits
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xterm doenst work
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<alkisg>
Why doesn't xterm work?
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<kas>
beuh :p
14:45
<alkisg>
It isn't installed?
14:46
Well, if you got gnome, it's on Applications > Accessories > Terminal
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<kas>
yeah it should
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<alkisg>
And? it isn't?
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<kas>
nope
14:47
ill install it
14:47
<alkisg>
ok
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<kas>
ok i start getting the hang of it now :p
14:51
ok, i'll try rebooting the client to see if it works
14:53
great
14:54
it works :d
14:54
thanks a lot
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brb reboot to debian
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<vagrantc>
no commits today?
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<Ahmuck>
vagrantc: sure wish they'd set up some gui utils
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<johnny>
gui utils for what..
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<Ahmuck>
ltsp managment
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re-building the client
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etc.
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network management
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soooo, is ubuntu artwork for 9.10 going to be any better than it is in the RC?
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<vagrantc>
maybe ask in #ubuntu?
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<johnny>
network manager is not for ltsp to do at all
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<johnny>
so no
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network mangement*
17:07
that's for ubuntu/gnome/etc to do
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<johnny>
there's just not enough that is specific to ltsp Ahmuck
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i swear.. you've been around for quite some time..
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:(
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<Ahmuck>
yes ... and the sad face?
17:09* Ahmuck nudges johnny
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<Ahmuck>
er, oops
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wrong channel
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<dtrask>
!chrisinajar++
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that'll surprise him ;-)
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sbalneav: where are you guys this evening? I assume on the way home?
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