IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 August 2012   (all times are UTC)

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06:19
<mealstrom>
good morning
06:24
<cyberorg>
mealstrom, hi, you wanted to know about ltsp in schools we have here in India?
06:25
<mealstrom>
cyberorg: i was confused when i havent found 4-th point on map from ltsp-stories )
06:27
<cyberorg>
mealstrom, ah, ok, i think the pins are not accurate for addresses, Nissan and Honda integrated showroom/service centers show up in one place
06:29
there we have 2 x 8core clusters with 2-4 appservers
06:29
cluster stack is running on openSUSE and LTSP app servers are ubuntu
06:30
schools, there are actually 6 of them, group of Baroda High Schools - 5 of then and Bhavans school
06:43
<mealstrom>
cyberorg: nice. how many people can work on yours server config?
06:44
<cyberorg>
"can" be a lot, but at the moment we have 40 users per cluster, 10-20 per app server VM
07:05
<Hyperbyte>
Your app servers are VM's?
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07:32
<cyberorg>
Hyperbyte, yes
07:32
vms on the kvm+drbd+ocfs+openais cluster
07:39
<Hyperbyte>
Why do you have several app servers in VM's, instead of just one big LTSP server in one VM?
07:39
Scalability?
07:40
<nbg-jamie>
Hello everyone. We have been using ltsp 4.1 for years and recently switched to Ubuntu running LTSP 5. So i'm a little lost on how the new setup works.
07:41
I'm wanting to change the default session for the end users to lubuntu. Can i just ding around in /opt/ltsp/i386 and then rebuild the client image?
07:41
<cyberorg>
scalability, availablilty, process confinement etc
07:42
and also load balancing
07:46
<Hyperbyte>
nbg-jamie, see lts.conf manpage :)
07:46
!lts.conf
07:46
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
07:47
<Hyperbyte>
LDM_SESSION should be of interest to you
07:47
And yes, you can change anything in /opt/ltsp/i386/ and then do an ltsp-update-image
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07:51
<nbg-jamie>
Awesome! Got it!
07:52
thank you!
07:55
I'm wondering if i can login to a fresh account. Make all the UI changes i want (desktop pattern, taskbar icons etc) then just copy all the .files from that account into /etc/skel and then any new user will pickup those preferences.
07:55
That question question is probably more of a lubuntu question than an LTSP question but i'll throw it out here if anyone want's to chime in.
07:59
<Hyperbyte>
nbg-jamie, no
07:59
Well actually yes
07:59
That's an LXDE question. :)
07:59
I was assuming Gnome, which uses dconf on 12.04 (which is awesome, because you can easily export user settings to a global mandatory settings db)
08:00
So you can't copy files from a users' home dir and expect things to work, you have to do it via dconf. But I don't suppose LXDE uses that.
08:02
<nbg-jamie>
No worries.. I'll head over to that channel. Thanks for the tip on the lts.conf Our old ltsp servers ran for so long and we never needed to touch them. School starts in less than a week and I got 800 ltsp clients going this year, so i want to get them sorted out and easy for elementary kids to use ;)
08:03
good night everyone!
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08:36
<Hyperbyte>
!learn story as If you have successfully deployed LTSP, please let us know by adding your success story to our website at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/
08:36
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
08:37
<Hyperbyte>
Oh I had one already!
08:37
!forget story
08:37
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
08:37
<Hyperbyte>
!learn story as see: !worldmap
08:37
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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12:18
<Bootless>
hi, can someone help me? my oadbalancer from my ltsp cluster does not find or choose an appserver. instead it chooses himself as the appserver. in the log i find the following: Cannot retrieve node '[NodeNameFindIn_lbsconfig.xml]', error:<type 'exceptions.IOError'> . i googled the whole day and searched for the error but can not find it. thanks in advance
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<Bootless>
is it possible that the root server thinks he is an appserver when you install the ltsp-server-standalone and after this the image?
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14:10* Hyperbyte knows nothing about LTSP cluster unfortunately
14:10
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy!
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<jammcq>
ogra_: so... you gonna join us in Maine? We'd sure like to see you there
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19:50
<alkisg>
When is LTSP BTS this year?
19:56
<markit>
he is gone I think
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20:51
<Hyperbyte>
Hah
20:51
!ltsp
20:51
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
20:51
<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
20:51
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm
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20:55
<alkisg>
!ltsp
20:55
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
20:55
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
20:56
<vagrantc>
heh
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21:01
<alkisg>
!ltsp
21:01
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
21:01
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
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21:04
<alkisg>
!ltsp
21:04
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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21:04
<alkisg>
!ltsp
21:04
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
21:04
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
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21:07
<alkisg>
!ltsp
21:07
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
21:07
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
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21:10
<||cw>
interesting
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21:12
<alkisg>
!ltsp
21:12
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
21:12
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
21:13
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, let's do this in PM to the bot please
21:13
<alkisg>
Right
21:13
But it needs the channel name
21:13
then
21:13
<Hyperbyte>
Yep. /msg ltsp` whatis #ltsp <factoid>... we're kinda flooding the channel with crap right now. :)
21:14
<alkisg>
People should know that we're working on fixing the bot :P :D
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21:29
<ltspuser_80>
question: how can i launch an app like viewnoir on the client from the terminal on the server ?
21:30
<alkisg>
You normally can't
21:30
<||cw>
ltspuser_80: same way you would launch and app into X11 from an ssh session on a desktop
21:30
or does that not even work?
21:30
<alkisg>
You can launch an X app remotely but it'll run with your user account, not with the target user account
21:30
And it needs some fiddling to get it to work, better use a tool for that
21:31
!epoptes
21:31
<ltsp>
alkisg: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
21:31
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "epoptes" is not a valid command.
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21:31
<Hyperbyte>
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
21:31
<||cw>
it's not a curtain, it's tilde
21:32
<ltspuser_80>
so i can do this from an ssh session?
21:32
<||cw>
if you make it work at all, you could
21:32
i guess
21:32
epoptes is a cleaner solution though
21:32
<alkisg>
Normally no, you'd need some hackish commands to get access to the user display
21:33
..and for some commands, you'd need the dbus session id and more variables as well
21:33
<ltspuser_80>
i want to skip using epoptes.. i tried and didn't like it
21:34
<alkisg>
Out of curiosity, why?
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<ltspuser_80>
i wasn't able to get it to be stable enough for my situation
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<alkisg>
I haven't heard any stability issues, it's just using x11vnc
21:35
Which tool are you planning on using?
21:35
<ltspuser_80>
i ended up creating some shell scripts to enable/disable taking control of the stations
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<alkisg>
Anyways, if you want to do it from an ssh session, check the epoptes "get-display" script for the relevant code
21:35
<Hyperbyte>
!alkisg
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<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
21:35
<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: alkisg could be The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail..
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<Hyperbyte>
:-D
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<alkisg>
Hehe, could be :D
21:36
<Hyperbyte>
The bots are in agreement.
21:36
<alkisg>
Not quite :D
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<ltspuser_80>
now ... i have taken those shell scripts and turn it to web-based... so i can walk around with an ipad to take control of stations
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also.. we are implementing a way to annotate on each of station with html5 canvas ..
21:37
also web-based
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<alkisg>
Cool. The best way to do it is to have a process listening inside the user session, so that all processes that you tell it to launch are part of the session as well
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(that's how the session epoptes-client does it)
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<ltspuser_80>
guess i got to read up on epoptes
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<ltspuser_80>
thanks
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
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Soon we can have the IRC logs integrated into the main ltsp.org site as well. :)
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<Hyperbyte>
!alkisg
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<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp
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<ltsp>
ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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23:09* vagrantc always thought of alkisg as more of a earthly emperor
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<markit>
btw, I've problems with phonon and fat clients
23:44
I remember alkisg fixed this issue, but seems not the case
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I need him to ask :)
23:45
or anyone here is found about phonon finding different audio devices and asking the user if remove the old ones from the list?
23:45
very annoying in fat clients (in thin does not happen of course)
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<vagrantc>
that sounds very annoying indeed.
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<markit>
yep, expecially if you have hdmi video
23:47
because you have analog audio + digital.. a list of 7-8 devices
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and the children are asked "do you want to permanently remove those devices?"
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if they answer "yes" I've the feeling will never have audio again in the previous pc, if they go back
23:48
I would love ltsp people will take care of kde as well ;P
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<vagrantc>
maybe you should become an ltsp person to take care of KDE :P