IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 June 2011   (all times are UTC)

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01:19
<Merwin>
Hi. I've got a problem with LTSP Cluster, when I switch console (CTRL+FX) and then go back to X (CTRL+F7), it never shows up, like if it tries to restart but can't
01:19
Is there some logfiles I could check somewhere ?
01:20
(On thin client)
01:29
<alkisg>
If it's just about switching consoles, then it's not LTSP related, it's KMS related
01:29
Try adding nomodeset to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default or wherever else ltsp-cluster provides kernel parameters
01:30
<Merwin>
Ok thanks
01:38
<sunscreen>
hey alkisg, my mistake its not nvidiain the client is it :) heh.. but intel, and the intel xorg module has a recent bug with transparency
01:38
damn its too early ;)
01:40
stamping on my dreams that module is
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<Guest45898>
can anyone guide me to ocropus irc channel name?
02:08Nick change: Guest45898 -> Nicki
02:12
<Nicki>
is someone active?I need some guidelines on using ocropus
02:20
<sunscreen>
i need help logging my ltsp users into the vrdp of vbox ?
02:22
<Merwin>
I'm using Firefox as a localapp and when I click on "Print..", firefox stop respond and crash. After this, I have to restart the client, because I can't logg out (kill processes, but never go back to loggin screen), and I can't start xterm as a localapp to check if firefox have been killed
02:59
<muppis>
Merwin, have you enabled root shell in screen 02 ?
03:00
<Merwin>
muppis: Hum, I don't think so, what do you mean by "screen 02" ?
03:03
<muppis>
Try pressing alt-ctrl-F2
03:05
If nothing appears, then put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm (to separate lines) to lts.conf and reboot the machine.
03:11
<Hyperbyte>
Merwin, you could also an xterm as a localapp, then launch Firefox from the xterm. It'll probably spit it out some error message to the xterm, indicating why it crashed.
03:12
+run
03:19
<alkisg>
Nicki: this channel is for LTSP, for servers and thin clients. So we haven't even heard about the octopus software you're referring to, so we can't help you.
03:19
<sunscreen>
bbah!@#.. I would like to strangle m$ for that too.. ffs how can they turn off concurrent logins in xp's terminal service.. damn piss takers.. and the cheek of them, at SP2 they said after SP3 they wont support XP any more Mr high and might M$!!! .. well G actually who really gaves a fuck on that one any way... we are still waiting for a decent next gen os from them .. but what do they do run round like spoilt brat children axing features that m
03:19
ake no difference to any thing
03:20
<alkisg>
sunscreen: try asking in #vbox about virtualbox related questions
03:21
<sunscreen>
alkisg, i found this very helpful vid
03:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJmMcNPBgig
03:22
<alkisg>
I'm referring to the vbox vrdp question you asked. It's not at all ltsp related, so you'll get better answers if you ask it in the correct channel.
03:23
And also for windows-related questions I think there's a #windows channel, you can ask about simultaneous sessions in XP there
03:24
The LTSP part ends at the point where you see the login screen :)
03:24
<sunscreen>
yep i guess .. rdesktop/RDP_SERVER is the bridge between to the though
03:25
s/the/two/them
03:25
<alkisg>
Bridge yes, but concurrent logins on xp is on the other side, not upon the bridge :)
03:25
<sunscreen>
haha
03:25
<alkisg>
And vbox vrdp is completely unrelated
03:26
<sunscreen>
ok i will ask #vbox what vrdp needs to be accessed with then i though rdesktop was him :)
03:27
<alkisg>
With the vbox vrdp you can access a VM from rdesktop even if the VM has DOS. It's not related to LTSP nor to windows.
03:29
<Nicki>
I was looking for some help with ocropus installation
03:29
can someone help me?
03:29
<alkisg>
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<Nicki>
I thought you were part of development of the google project OCRopus
03:30
<alkisg>
No
03:30
<Nicki>
sorry,my bad
03:30
<alkisg>
You're in the wrong channel
03:32
<Nicki>
by anycase,www.nubae.com is related to you?
03:32
<alkisg>
That person sometimes visits this channel
03:33
<Nicki>
is he online now?I think he is the one I'm looking for
03:35
<Merwin>
Hyperbyte: Firefox can be run from the console (event after a first instance crashed). But not anymore from the menu. A problem with localappsd ?
03:37
<sunscreen>
Hitler has to do a rant on that one though alkisg ;)
03:37
hilter rants about terminal services ..lol
03:39
<Hyperbyte>
sunscreen, shush. If you want terminal services with multiple logins use a registry hack for it. Or policy editor or something.
03:40
There's an easy way to make XP Pro into a multi-user RDP server.
03:40
<sunscreen>
oh yeah
03:40
its just inconvenient mate
03:40
work aorund this work around that
03:40
<Hyperbyte>
It takes all of 2 minutes, mate!
03:41
I did it here too on our RDP server, which is actually just XP Pro
03:41
It's peanuts!
03:41
And if you're really interested in doing this without workarounds, then stop being cheap buy the actual server edition of the OS.
03:41
<sunscreen>
ok tnx for the inspiration on that ;)
03:41
<Hyperbyte>
I mean, I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but please work on your argumentation. :)
03:42
<sunscreen>
ah well you have hit the nail on the head.. i am trying to save my client a little money .. but yeah fall back to server 2003 or something was my final plan .. but its already going to be running us back 5 gpu's .. add that into the mix you may as well not do the thinclient thing
03:43
<Hyperbyte>
... or apply the 2 minute policy editor workaround.
03:45
http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+xp+multiple+rdp
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04:04
<andygraybeal>
morrrning
04:07
<Hyperbyte>
Andy, buddy! :)
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04:50
<acesabe>
ltsp 5.1 on Debian Squeeze (in Vserver) - client pluggable media umount error from Gnome Nautilus
04:50
Unable to unmount usbdisk-sda1
04:50
umount: /media/guest/usbdisk-sda1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
04:50
will scare some users even if it isn't a real issue
04:51
any ideas on how to resolve/remove error message?
05:00
<mncl-core>
anyone around? I have a general question.
05:01
<acesabe>
doesn't look like it!
05:01
I might be able to help...
05:01
<mncl-core>
hey!
05:01
this is something that has been brewing in my mind for a very long time!
05:02
what if. I wanted to use Ubuntu LTSP or Ubuntu -- as an application server for multiple users
05:02
but I am not interested in having users connect with Thin Clients.. .
05:02
but have users connect via VNC or RDP for example;
05:03
can LTSP do this for me?
05:03
<acesabe>
well thats not really ltsp as we know it here...
05:03
and not something I have any experience with - sorry!
05:03
<mncl-core>
can you elaborate a bit on your experiences with LTSP
05:04
LTSP is made for LAN only; and for Thin Clients Specifically?
05:04
<acesabe>
pretty much my take on it
05:05
http://www.bristolwireless.net/ltsp/ we use and supply it
05:07
<alkisg>
acesabe: it's not a real issue, every 2 minutes the usb sticks are flushed so they can just pull them out. I don't know of any workarounds for "eject" to work
05:07
mncl-core: yup, many people here use rdp with ltsp
05:08
<acesabe>
alkisg, I know - but the userbase of this system are older folk who might be somewhat perturbed by such a message
05:08
<mncl-core>
alkisg; as an example
05:08
<acesabe>
and apparently its sync'ed every 4 secs...
05:08
<mncl-core>
is it possible to use LTSP to create an app server for 1 app only
05:09
and allow remote users to have a locked down environent with that 1 app?
05:09
<alkisg>
mncl-core: LTSP is a framework, people use it for lots of different use cases
05:09
Sure you can offer 1 app. E.g. the kiosk mode offers only firefox
05:09
Sure you can lock down things. That's DE specific, not related to LTSP
05:10
E.g. for gnome you can use gconf-editor, sabayon, pessulus etc
05:10
acesabe: sorry I meant 2 secs not 2 minutes
05:11
<acesabe>
ah
05:11
<mncl-core>
Where would I find the appropriate documentation to understand this framework better?
05:11
E.g. Kiosk mode :)
05:11
<alkisg>
See the /topic for the docs
05:11
<mncl-core>
This sounds like what I am looking for...
05:11
<acesabe>
looks like we just have to tell em "If it ain't flashing - pull it"!
05:11
<alkisg>
Yup
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<mncl-core>
what do you mean by /topic for the docs?
05:17
<pmatulis>
mncl-core: the topic of this irc channel
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<dragunov11>
hi, i got some doubts regarding ltsp system.
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<dragunov11>
i have this IDE called PyCharm, from jetbrains. how can i run it on server? it starts from a .sh script
05:23
and it is in java.
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05:24
<muppis>
Shouldn't be problem, it should be started as usual.
05:24
<dragunov11>
but, how will the script show up on the client?
05:25
i just install it on the server, right?
05:25
<sunscreen>
do you have to ltsp-update-image every time you change lts.conf
05:26
<muppis>
sunscreen, no, but client reboot is required.
05:26
dragunov11, yes.
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<sunscreen>
k
05:27
<dragunov11>
muppis: ok, lemme try
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<sunscreen>
http://wiki.phys.ethz.ch/readme/setting_up_an_ltsp_server_for_diskless_clients <-- that has a great morsel of info on the lts.conf settings
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at the bottom
05:28
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
05:30
<Hyperbyte>
Morning! :-)
05:39
<andygraybeal>
heya Hyperbyte :)
05:39
hi mgariepy :)
05:39
hu muppis!
05:39
er hi too!
05:40
<muppis>
hi andygraybeal
05:40
<andygraybeal>
muppis, how is your project moving along with arduino and ltsp?
05:41
<muppis>
andygraybeal, yes. I got IDE working. I only have problems with arduino itself. It doesn't obey my code. >)
05:41
<andygraybeal>
hahah :) awesome. Sounds like things are moving along, and I'm sure you'll get the arduino to obey soon enough. That sounds great.
05:52
<dragunov11>
muppis: arduino as a thin client??
05:53
<sunscreen>
Hyperbyte, do you know if the multiple rdp work around has to be on a system that is < SP3
05:56
hehe root gets a higher salary than Administrator neeh nehe nehhe :D
05:57
<dragunov11>
lol
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<muppis>
dragunov11, noway.. Just trying to do code for it with java made IDE.
06:01
<dragunov11>
ah..ok. yeah, it kind of sounded impossible.
06:02
<Hyperbyte>
sunscreen, no clue
06:03
sunscreen, just checked. The Windows XP pro machine on which I did it, is SP3.
06:03
<Gnoze5>
gentlemen
06:04
<sunscreen>
k
06:05
<andygraybeal>
Gnoze5, greets
06:06
<Gnoze5>
yellow!|
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06:13
<sunscreen>
Hyperbyte, something must of happened wrong at the step where you copy it to dll cache / system32 .. i get error code 193 when i start it ..
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06:17
<Hyperbyte>
sunscreen, copying the file was a bit tricky
06:17
I believe I took the easy way and did it via Knoppix
06:21
<alkisg>
Doesn't that only work for 3 concurrent users anyway? So isn't it useless on real setups?
06:22
<sunscreen>
hm
06:22
the figurei heard was 21
06:28
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I think I've had 4 concurrent
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<alkisg>
I think I've tried it some years ago and it was limited to 3
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<sunscreen>
i found this any how .. rather effortless: http://concurrentremotesessions.netfirms.com/ .. i like him too.. "very annoyed about this" lol
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06:58
<sunscreen>
yay rdesktop via ltsp working now :D
06:58
I guess audio and printering is the next challenge
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<sunscreen>
tnx for all your helps fellas :)
06:59
<blueonyx>
hi, what to do if my fat client fails with "No init found."?
07:00
<sunscreen>
init or initrd?
07:00
<blueonyx>
init
07:00
initrd is passed as parameter though, i think
07:01
<sunscreen>
try do a: ltsp-update-image
07:01
<blueonyx>
i already did :/
07:03
also updated kernels
07:03
<Gnoze5>
alkisg when I run vino-server using the script from yesterday what display to I have to export? or should I use & for default?
07:03
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: vino-server runs automatically if you enable it from the gnome settings, you don't need to start it manually
07:03
<blueonyx>
i already have this boot splash for some seconds and it boots the initrd :/
07:04
<Gnoze5>
hm you mean the whole allow remote connections settings?
07:04
<alkisg>
Yes, you can set that for all users with gconf-editor
07:04
<Gnoze5>
yeah
07:04
but i thought that was just permissions
07:05
ok but with that allowed can i connect straight using vnc?
07:06
<alkisg>
Yes
07:06
<Gnoze5>
using the ip of the thin client?
07:07
<alkisg>
If it's a fat client, yes, otherwise you'd need to use a server port
07:07
E.g. server-ip:5900 for the first user, server-ip:5901 for the second etc
07:07
<Gnoze5>
is that set automatically?
07:08
<alkisg>
vino-server chooses the first available port after 5900, yes
07:08
<Gnoze5>
success
07:08
:P
07:08
hm this is no encrypted though correct?
07:09
<alkisg>
I don't think so - I'm not using vino-server :
07:09
:
07:09
:) (damn keyboard)
07:09
<Gnoze5>
hm
07:09
i can always use an ssh tunnel
07:09
<alkisg>
To access the server from the server?
07:09
It's 127.0.0.1, it doesn't travel through wire
07:10
Ah you mean from another pc? Just logon to the server before using vnc viewer...
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07:10
<alkisg>
(or sit on a thin client yourself)
07:11
<Gnoze5>
alkisg although i love sitting on top of thin clients (lol) or next to the beautiful women who might use them, when you have a few hundre and they are some kms away...
07:11
:P
07:12* alkisg never managed to learn when to use in, on, at, etc :)
07:16
<Gnoze5>
alkisg im the same, english is not our native language
07:16
again thanks for the help
07:16
as always impecable
07:17
<Hyperbyte>
How can I get a remote login prompt via VNC to an Ubuntu machine?
07:18
For users to login from home, for example.
07:18
Is there some howto for this? :)
07:18
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: try nx
07:18
There's a how to on the ubuntu wiki page
07:19
<Hyperbyte>
Hm, is there a Windows client for that?
07:20
<alkisg>
Yup, a freeware one
07:20
It's 10 times faster than vnc, don't look for vnc
07:20
It also automatically creates new sessions, and uses ssh
07:20
<blueonyx>
any other ideas on a fat client complaining about missing init?
07:20
<alkisg>
blueonyx: distro/version?
07:21
<blueonyx>
ubuntu 10.04
07:21
<alkisg>
Put your pxelinux.cfg/default to pastebin
07:22
<blueonyx>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/5gP5k5KP
07:23
<alkisg>
blueonyx: are your clients 64 bit?
07:23
<sunscreen>
hm only allowing 1 login at a time still
07:23
<blueonyx>
this one yes
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07:23
<Gnoze5>
alkisg then isnt that an option as well for remote control?
07:23
nx?
07:24
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: no, as it creates new sessions
07:24
<Gnoze5>
hm
07:24
is there a web client for nx?
07:24
<alkisg>
Yes, see in the nomachine nx site
07:25
<Gnoze5>
that is rather awesome lol
07:26
the web version i assume is paid though
07:26
<alkisg>
I don't think so
07:26
But I haven't looked into it. The edubuntu weblive site uses it afaik.
07:27
<Gnoze5>
hm
07:28
checking the website
07:28
can also publish applications through their web thingie
07:28
wonder if that includes MS stuff
07:28
<alkisg>
blueonyx: in the server logs, do you see a notice saying that the client mounted the correct nbd image?
07:28
<blueonyx>
alkisg: any thoughts on the pastebin?
07:30
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say there's no FreeNX in the Ubuntu 11.04 repositories.
07:31
At least there's no howto for it, and apt-get says package doesn't exist.
07:32
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: if you found the how to wiki page, I don't have any more info than that, I'm using neatx-server on 10.04, I don't know about 11.04
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<blueonyx>
alkisg: can it be that i have to tell the nbd server to listen on anather ip too?
07:38
<sunscreen>
there concurrent logins working
07:39
now to see how many rdesktops we can get in there for the accurate number
07:40
<alkisg>
blueonyx: why, do you also have an i386 image?
07:44
<blueonyx>
alkisg: not yet, why?
07:44
<alkisg>
Then why do you say you'd need a different ip?
07:44
Do you have multiple ltsp or nbd servers?
07:44
<blueonyx>
alkisg: but i have clients in 2 different subnets
07:45
<alkisg>
Did you see in the logs what I asked you above?
07:45
Does it say that it exports the nbd image to your clients?
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<Ghidorah>
Hello everyone. Has anyone gotten SSL to work with LTSP-Cluster? I've enabled SSL on the server but now I don't see any changes in the LTSP-Cluster client logs.
07:49
<blueonyx>
alkisg: which logs? syslog says nothing
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<alkisg>
blueonyx: grep nbd /var/log/daemon.log
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07:51
<blueonyx>
alkisg: hmm, it says http://pastebin.com/rtEkxXTQ
07:52
<alkisg>
blueonyx: you're exporting a directory instead of a file
07:52
<blueonyx>
but on the other network it says something about an .img file
07:52
<alkisg>
Fix that in your /etc/inetd.conf
07:53
<blueonyx>
alkisg: this file says
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2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
07:53
<alkisg>
blueonyx: are you sure that's all? grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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<alkisg>
If so, the subnet shouldn't make any difference...
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<blueonyx>
alkisg: there is only
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9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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else than the above
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<alkisg>
blueonyx: did you fiddle with the nbd-server configuration file at /etc/nbd-config?
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<blueonyx>
alkisg: not that i'm aware of
07:56
alkisg: you mean /etc/nbd-server/config?
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<alkisg>
ls -l /etc/nbd-server
07:56
Yes, pastebin that
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<blueonyx>
maybe the upgrade ...
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<alkisg>
It shouldn't have touched that, we don't use it in ltsp
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<blueonyx>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/DmK9wDD9
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<alkisg>
Yup, that's the problem
07:57
Delete that file and restart services
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(or reboot server)
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nbd-server should be *not* running, inetd should be running
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<sunscreen>
there 6 confirmed logins guys: my user (on the VM), bob, test, joeblogs, captinkirk, scotty
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the limit is only limited by the group policy
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<sunscreen>
http://img194.imageshack.us/i/terminalserverowned.png/
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<blueonyx>
alkisg: you're so great, that was the problem, thanks!
08:10
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<Ghidorah>
Does anyone know how to apply changes made to getltscfg-cluster.conf? I changed the conf file on the root server but the clients are not updating.
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<robehend1>
is it possible to make a fat-client using the lubuntu desktop?
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i tried doing a standard fat-client install from a copy of lubuntu 11.04, but it came up with Unity
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<vagrantc>
don't see any reason why not
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<robehend1>
would i need to add the lubuntu-desktop flag or something?
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<vagrantc>
yeah, you probably have to specify which desktop to install
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or install it after the fact
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<robehend1>
is the lubuntu-desktop package working then? I havent tried it
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<vagrantc>
dunno
11:17* vagrantc uses debian
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<robehend1>
been meaning to give debian a try one of these days
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as soon as my internet is off this damnable wireless link, that is
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to make sure i'm rembering this right, to specify the desktop, it would be ltsp-build-client --dist lubuntu-desktop *
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<Gadi>
robehend1: I think you want: ltsp-build-client --fat-client --fat-client-desktop=lubuntu-desktop
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<robehend1>
ah, fat-client-desktop. I didnt think dist was right..
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I'm thinking the LXDE desktop will be easier for my users to grasp
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<vagrantc>
lubuntu is kind of it's own thing ... doesn't really look like LXDE to me ... uses a lot of the same technology
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<robehend1>
true, but the memory footprint is nice
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plus, its still the window-ish startmenu, panel setup that the users are familiar with
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<vagrantc>
sure
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<robehend1>
on a semi-unreleated note, is it just me, or is Unity not working right with LTSP?
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<sunscreen>
whats the difference between a fat boy and thin boy again?
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<robehend1>
fat client, all the system runs on the client.
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Thin client, majority runs on the server
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<sunscreen>
k, i am eager to see how my system performs over 1000Mbps.
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<robehend1>
try throwing the LDM_DIRECTX = True tag in your lts.conf as well. speeds things up dramatically
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<vagrantc>
at the cost of security
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<robehend1>
valid point, that.
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i've yet to install ltsp somewhere where it was a large enough concern to warrant leaving encryption on, however.
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<vagrantc>
all it takes is one compromise to make a sysadmin very paranoid
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<robehend1>
dont doubt it.
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<highvoltage>
size is irrelevant.
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<abeehc>
size isn't the consideration
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<highvoltage>
if you have one user that wants to use internet banking, for example, then you already want encryption
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<robehend1>
well, let me rephrase, no install where the data was critical enough
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<vagrantc>
it's tricky to know what's critical until it's too late
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<robehend1>
hmm. agreed.
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I'll have to look at leaving it on if I ever set it up for staff. Currently, its just for library terminals for students to do research, type, play games, etc
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<Gnoze5>
hm general question, how you customize your desktops, as in if I want all user desktops to look the same other than setting lockdown keys in the mandtory source how should i got about making sure all apps menus are the same etc?
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should I create one template account and then somehow copy the account?
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<sunscreen>
who uses ltsp with nasd ?
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<sunscreen>
or should i say sound.
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and is jackd a option?
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can we mount local media some how
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edit fstab and lstp-build-image
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?
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hey
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<Gnoze5>
well the answer to my own question if anyone is interested
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http://meadvillelibrary.org/os/doku.php?id=customizing_ubuntu_lucid_for_public_computing
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