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Channel log from 16 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<vagrantc>
no luck ?
00:01
<daya>
vagrantc, luck , i can't see it,
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<daya>
vagrantc, when I run alsamixer it show, card:pulseaudio,chip:pulseaudio,Item:master,view:playback, and only one voluem bar,
00:09
vagrantc, I have also installed pulseaudio pkgs does it make sth wrong,
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<vagrantc>
sounds about right
00:10
"make sth wrong" ?
00:11
<daya>
vagrantc, I mean I have installed pulseaudio pkg as it is not told in your documentation, and try to configure as told in pulseaudio.org,
00:13
<vagrantc>
daya: ah. good luck.
00:13
daya: you'll then need to configure each and every application to use pulseaudio
00:13
<daya>
vagrantc, oh,
00:14
<vagrantc>
at least, i think so
00:14
<daya>
vagrantc, I have tried it also for application like totem and xmms to use output plugin pulse but in vain,
00:14
<vagrantc>
if the alsa -> pulseaudio support isn't working
00:15
<daya>
vagrantc, Linux sound system is too congusing and difficult to understand,
00:15
<vagrantc>
daya: this is with your modified packages, or with packages from debian.org ?
00:15
<daya>
vagrantc, no I am in pure debian ethc, not in modified
00:16
etch
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<vagrantc>
ok
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<daya>
vagrantc, can't I download the whole tar pkg that you kept for etch-ltsp-backports
00:23
<vagrantc>
daya: http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/
00:24
daya: dget http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/ltsp_5.0.31debian2~0.etch.1.dsc
00:24
if you have devscripts installed
00:26
<Artemko>
Tell please, whether it is possible to make, what OpenOffice it would be started as local_apps? And how it to make? I wish to lower loading on a server. And as in ltsp 5 to specify the coding, and that cyrillics on local device is displayed incorrectly
00:27
And still there is an appendix which everyone start in Wine, whether there is a sense to make administrative installation that all used one structure, whether will lower it loading?
00:27
<vagrantc>
Artemko: it is possible, but it is not yet easy to do.
00:28
well, not sure on the wine stuff
00:29
<Artemko>
vagrantc: and whether there is somewhere a documentation on it?
00:30
<vagrantc>
Artemko: not much, no
00:51
<daya>
vagrantc, what it mean , "in my experience, KDE
00:51
and GNOME applications worked automatically, if the whole environments were
00:51
installed. some application",
00:51
<vagrantc>
daya: if all of gnome and all of kde were installed ...
00:52
daya: i.e. apt-get install gnome ; apt-get install kde
00:52
<daya>
vagrantc, In my system I have only gnome , Do I have to install kde as well,
00:52
<vagrantc>
daya: if you want KDE applications to work
00:52
daya: but if you can't get xmms to work ... i don't think anything is going to work.
00:53
i probably missed some important step in the documentation
00:53
and i can't reproduce it for a few weeks
00:55
<daya>
vagrantc,I have run apt-get install gnome, and it asks to install some pkgs,
00:56
<vagrantc>
but if i remember correctly, my first test was without gnome installed ... just icewm and xmms
00:56
actually, gnome might work if xmms doesn't, because it can use esound ... but remote esound has some flaws
00:57
pulseaudio is way better
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<vagrantc>
heh
01:07
good luck daya
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03:26
<Q-FUNK>
yippee! the dbe62 is debugged! :D
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05:47
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, so we'll get a fixed amd ?
05:48
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: X is what's broken.
05:49
<ogra>
well, only amd exposes that fact :)
05:50
<Q-FUNK>
too many API and ABI changes since 7.1 and only the 4 mainstream drivers have enough people to keep absolutely everything in sync.
05:50
the exact same source compiles just fine on any modular X, but X core since 1.3. is a real mess.
05:51
among other things, xrandr 1.2 simply isn't ready for public consumption, but it was released regardless.
05:51
it breaks dual-head setups and tons of other things.
05:51
I wouldn't be surprised if simply backdating xrander while keeping the existing core would fix everyone's pet bug.
05:52
ogra: and no, not only amd exposes it. all drivers other than the 4 mainstreams do.
05:53
<ogra>
isnt xrandr at 1.3 already ?
05:53
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: as I have said countless times, my laptop's siliconmotion also experiences the exact same symptoms as amd does.
05:54
no, not yet
05:54
and 1.3 still doesn't fix everythng that 1.2 broke
05:54
<ogra>
i have no probs opn my matrox G400 here
05:54
<Q-FUNK>
hello?
05:54
I already said that the 4 mainstream ones don't have any problem.
05:54
mga, ati, nv, intel
05:55
those have recieved minor changes to make them run cleanly on the new X core.
05:55
none of the other drivers did.
05:55
<ogra>
i didnt know you count mga to the mainstream ;)
05:56
<Q-FUNK>
so, no, amd is not the only one.
05:56* ogra wouldnt anymore ...
05:56
<ogra>
well, i dont see it on VIA os SIS either
05:57
<Q-FUNK>
in fact, if you bothered with reading all the FAQs that were written about the new X, you'd see that upstream clearly warns that all older drivers are gonna be in various states of breakage, starting with xrandr 1.2 and X-core 1.2
05:57
<ogra>
actually all my 15 clients here run fine apart from the amd based ones
05:58
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: I already said enough times that other drivers are affected in similar ways. it would be a good idea for you to listen.
05:58
<ogra>
it isnt exposed on other drivers here, what shall i say, i cant reproduce it
05:58
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: and contrary to the nonsense you have been spreading, no, downgrading to an older release of -amd doesn't fix it.
05:59
<ogra>
thanks for the friendly words, polease ask someone else for support in the future
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05:59
<Q-FUNK>
X-core has changed. older drivers that haven't been upgraded to match progressively break as X evolves. it's as simple as that.
06:04
*sigh*
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06:14
<yopla>
hello,
06:14
<Q-FUNK>
hi
06:14
<yopla>
is it possible tou siable shutdown in ldm?
06:14
disable
06:18
<frownix>
yopla, in what way? disable root to do "halt" or "shutdown -h now"?
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06:20
<yopla>
humm. I just would like to hide shutown un preference menu (gutsy). I down't know if it launch halt or shutdown
06:22
<frownix>
hmm, in what preferences menu?
06:22
<yopla>
login screen
06:22
<frownix>
ah, gdm?
06:22
<yopla>
no, ldm
06:23
<nubae>
hi there... I've got a very strange error with users logging in... When they try to login, from the logs it shows they are being accepted, but the authentication lasts for ever and then they get logged out again
06:23
happens for every user bu the main superuser
06:23
<frownix>
yopla, ah, ok..so they have their own login manager. sorry, no idea then
06:24
<nubae>
what could be causing this?
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<yopla>
frownix: yes, ldm rocks. It uses ssh instead of XDMCP
06:25
nubae: have uyou riied failsafe session?
06:26
<nubae>
I'm not onsite... I've just been called from the site though and non of my users can login, and when I try to do anything with sudo, it takes forever
06:26
I'm just wonderung what could be causing this
06:26
I'm trying ltsp-update-sshkeys now
06:26
its sat there for a minute authenticating sudo
06:26
very stranger
06:27
<yopla>
can you ssh the thin clients?
06:28
<nubae>
connection refused, but by default dont think u can do that, no?
06:28
<yopla>
yes, no by default
06:28
note
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not
06:30
you can do : chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 then apt-get install openssh-server then passwd to create a valid password for root
06:30
befor you can try login directly on server
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with problematic users
06:31
<nubae>
invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "restart" failed.
06:31
dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure):
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<nubae>
Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
06:33
<yopla>
what does say df -h?
06:33
<nubae>
df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
06:34
<yopla>
err, exit to exit chroot
06:34
then tyr local login
06:35
<nubae>
I'm not onsite
06:35
<yopla>
you're on the server?
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06:36
<nubae>
Nov 16 13:35:13 192.168.0.3 kernel: [13855.768000] nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket - from syslog
06:36
yeah sshed in
06:36
gues thats just a zombie client
06:37
<yopla>
nubae, yes perhaphs
06:38
can you do "ssh aprobuser@ltspserver"?
06:38
<nubae>
yeah, takes for ever to authenticate though
06:39
<yopla>
do you use sort of external authentication? (LDAP,nis,...)
06:39
<nubae>
takes like 30 seconds from asking pass to letting me in
06:39
nope
06:40
<yopla>
then it could be DNS server problem
06:41
are servers in /etc/resolv.conf pingable?
06:41
<nubae>
well have local dns server
06:41
should I shut it down and try again?
06:42
<yopla>
nope, just try "host oneclient.domaio"
06:44
<nubae>
well, this might be the prob... I have a dynamic ip
06:45
<yopla>
you have dyn IP on ltsp server?
06:45
<nubae>
well for dns...
06:45
the internet ip is dynamic
06:45
so I use domainname.dyndns.org as my domain nem
06:45
<yopla>
ho. And dou you have a local zone?
06:46
<nubae>
yeah
06:46
I thought there would not be a problem assigning a dynamic domain address, but could this be the issue?
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<yopla>
internet public Adress is diferent from lAN
06:48
<nubae>
ok, the domain address for search domainaddress.com in resolv.conf was incorrect
06:49
yeah I know... but in resolv.conf I've got both the local address and external address for those wishing to access from outside
06:50
am I doing something wrong?
06:51
yeah that must be it, switched off bind and now things go normal speed agian
06:51
again
06:51
<yopla>
yes. if you have only one local dns server, the only "nameserver" line in /etc/resovl.conf shoud be 0.0.0.0 (local dns)
06:52
<nubae>
right ok, but this was working for like a week
06:52
its now that it caused problems
06:53
<yopla>
if it needs to query Internet, the "type hint" zone in /etc/bind9/named.conf is for this
06:54
<krishna>
fellows, i'm in trouble; my ltsp clients do not load X. always say "(EE) no device found" and "no screens found" after xdebconfigurator since i've update from ltsp 4.2 to 5
06:56
<yopla>
nubae it seems to be a problem with IP change from you provider.
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<nubae>
so I cant use dynamic ip then... ok, but still getting problems with local logins
06:57
on the ltsp client side
06:57
<yopla>
krishna: try without xdebcoufigurator. (comment the line in lts.conf)
06:58
which dynamic ip you're talking about?
06:59
<nubae>
on the server side
06:59
internet
06:59
not local
07:00
<yopla>
humm. Your dns server is public?
07:01
(port 53 open from internet?)
07:01
<nubae>
yes
07:02
actually it was at one time
07:02
its not anymore
07:02
shoudl it be?
07:02
the problem is I dont really understand dns that well
07:03
I set it up locally to get sessions moving faster, then tried to make it public by attaching a dyndns.org address
07:03
<yopla>
no it doens't need to be public. As the only reason you need acces is to ssh your server.
07:03
<nubae>
maybe I should forget about the public part and focus on getting it working locally
07:03
<krishna>
yopla, there is no such line in my lts.conf, but seems to me that xdebconfigurator runs anyway
07:03
<nubae>
yopla no, there is admin software that is required for web
07:04
but perhaps its better to put this on a seperate server
07:04
<yopla>
not neceserly
07:05
<nubae>
whats your recomendation, for dns, as bind wont start anymore
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<yopla>
Welle. It isn't so simple. But I try to explan
07:06
you need a working local zone
07:07
name isn't very important as it is only seen on the lan
07:07
<nubae>
ok, I have mayfairacademy.dyndns.org for example
07:09
<ltsppbot>
"Nubae" pasted "dns log" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/354
07:09
<nubae>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/354
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<nubae>
hehe, jsut thought about that
07:10
<yopla>
humm, your zone isn't correct as it is rejected
07:10
<nubae>
but it was working before
07:11
and havent touched it
07:11
it says something about ttl, and not sure what it means
07:11
<yopla>
ttl is'nt so important as it can use default value
07:12
can you copy/paste our zone file?
07:12
<nubae>
the local zone?
07:13
<yopla>
yes mayfairacademy.dyndns.org.db
07:14
<ltsppbot>
"Nubae" pasted "zone file" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/355
07:17
<yopla>
OK
07:17
it seems correct
07:18
<nubae>
well, just tried to start it again and its stuck there for ever
07:20
bind is running now, but my ssh session is frozen up
07:20
<yopla>
oops
07:20
<nubae>
I've got webmin running aswell
07:20
so from there I see the process is running
07:20
<yopla>
try to ssh again
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07:21
<nubae>
yeah same thing, authentication takes for ever
07:21
why would it be timing out like that?
07:22
<yopla>
it is the cause yes
07:23
name resolution isn't working well
07:23
<nubae>
what could be interfering with that?
07:24
should I try restarting the server or networking?
07:24
<yopla>
put what you have beafor in /etc/resolv.conf
07:25
<nubae>
well, resolv.conf now has this: search mayfairacademy.dyndns.org
07:25
nameserver 192.168.0.254
07:25
nameserver 80.58.61.254
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nameserver 80.58.61.250
07:25
shoudl I take the external nameservers out?
07:25
<yopla>
no its ok like that
07:26
<nubae>
could dhcp be messing with this, I have mayfairacademy.dyndns.org defined in there too
07:26
with each client defined by host and ip
07:27
<yopla>
your /etc/hosts contains clients?
07:27
<nubae>
btw, thanks for taking so much time to help me on this... you're a godsend
07:27
no
07:27
just dhcpd.conf
07:28
<yopla>
at least, put one line per host ine this file
07:28
IP client.mayfairacademy.dyndns.org client
07:28
<nubae>
right ok
07:29
<yopla>
it isn't the best solution as your park could grow and its difficult to maintain.
07:30
<nubae>
127.0.0.1 localhost
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192.168.1.42 mayservex.mayfairacademy.dyndns.org mayservex
07:30
192.168.0.254 mayserve.mayfairacademy.dyndns.org mayserve
07:30
thts what I have right now
07:30
x being the external nic
07:30
<yopla>
ideally the same file should be on clients
07:30
<nubae>
this is ltsp though
07:30
I only have one server and terminal clients
07:31
<yopla>
with this it should work better
07:32
<nubae>
when u make changes to /etc/hosts and resolv.conf do u have to restart bind?
07:32
<yopla>
no
07:32
<nubae>
ok, good, so I can test it with one client then?
07:33
<yopla>
you even could try to stop your bind server and delete it from your /etc/resovl.conf
07:33
<nubae>
yeah did that already and it helped
07:33
for a second or two
07:33
put people still couldnt login
07:34
anyway, this seems to work:
07:34
sysadmin@mayfairacademy:~$ ping office2.mayfairacademy.dyndns.org
07:34
PING office2.mayfairacademy.dyndns.org (192.168.0.34) 56(84) bytes of data.
07:34
64 bytes from office2.mayfairacademy.dyndns.org (192.168.0.34): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.180 ms
07:34
doesnt help with the authentication timeout though, this must be something else
07:35
<yopla>
hummm
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<nubae>
I'm going to restart the server
07:36
the startup logs might reveal something
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07:40
<nubae>
wont shut down
07:40
<yopla>
ouch
07:44
<nubae>
I guess now it has done, but took almost 5 mins
07:45
I guess if I had a static ip non of this would be happening right?
07:45
<yopla>
but your ip is static
07:45
<nubae>
not external
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<yopla>
192.168.0.254
07:46
<nubae>
I'm masquarading my connections from the external to the internal
07:46
yeah that ones static
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<nubae>
but i've got dydns.org defining mayfairacademy to my external ip
07:46
and thats in dns
07:46
local dns
07:47
<yopla>
all your clients should be in this subnet
07:47
<nubae>
they are all in 192.168.0.0
07:47
oooh this doesnt look good, server is not coming back up
07:49
<yopla>
you should try somthin like mayfairacademy.local for all your local zone. You should'nt be cused
07:49
confused
07:49
<nubae>
right but I hoped that the local users could use the same address as the external users
07:49
for web
07:49
thats the only reason I have it like that
07:52
<yopla>
You're right. and it shoud work any like you did.
07:52
anyway
07:52
<nubae>
could it be anything else
07:52
not dns related?
07:52
<yopla>
dunno.
07:53
free disk space isenough?
07:53
<nubae>
yeah for sure
07:53
was at 50% last I checked
07:53
/home is on another disk
07:54
<yopla>
and this one?
07:55
<nubae>
250 gigs
07:55
no problems there
07:56
I'm going to have to get onsite and sort this out, the server is no longer reachable after restart
07:57
could it be a hackin attempt?
07:57
I didnt see anything in the logs, but so much going wrong points to that...
07:58
<yopla>
yes you really should
07:58
good luck
08:03
<nubae>
thanmks for everything
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08:29
<cliebow>
!g]
08:29
<ltspbot>
cliebow: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
08:41
<yopla>
!g
08:41
<ltspbot>
yopla: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:41
<yopla>
lol
08:41
<Gadi>
:)
08:41
morning
08:42
<cliebow>
showoff!!!!!!!!
08:42
<yopla>
small question for the morning. Is there a wya to disable shutdown buton on ldm?
08:44
<Gadi>
yopla: feisty or gutsy?
08:44
<yopla>
gutsy
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08:45
<Gadi>
hmm... give me a sec to boot my lappy and I'll take a quick peek at the code for ya
08:45
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:45
<Gadi>
or ask sbalneav
08:45
:)
08:45
!s
08:45
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:45
<sbalneav>
Gadi: Hey, been playing around with that pget.awk
08:45
<Gadi>
and?
08:45
<sbalneav>
Looks awesome, might do exactly what we want.
08:45
<yopla>
scotty is sbalneav?
08:46
<Gadi>
sbalneav: amazing what 5 secs on google will do :)
08:46
<cliebow>
you betcha!!
08:46
<sbalneav>
My full name is Scott Balneaves :)
08:46
<Gadi>
yopla: u bet
08:46
"Man of Mystery"
08:46
<yopla>
lol din't expect so much details :)
08:47
<sbalneav>
Anyway, had a nice email chat with the guy
08:47
The link you provided didn't have a license, so I asked him if he'd consider GPL'ing it
08:47
turns out he already has :)
08:47
<Gadi>
nice
08:48
<sbalneav>
Plus, I encouraged him to set up a public site on launchpad or sourceforge for it
08:48
<yopla>
is tahre althoug a way to customize ldm? (add text for exemple)
08:48* Gadi would investigate speed diff on long lts.confs
08:48
<sbalneav>
seeing as how he's actively maintaining it, and it's being used by lots of people.
08:48
<Gadi>
some of us have longer lts.confs than others ;)
08:48
<yopla>
ghghghgh so poor english
08:48
<sbalneav>
yopla: Sure, just grab the source.
08:48* cliebow cliebow blames his on good typing practices
08:49
<yopla>
apt-get source ldm?
08:49
<sbalneav>
Gadi: Can you send me an example "long" lts.conf
08:49
yopla: maybe, or check out from bzr
08:49
<Gadi>
sbalneav: I can prolly generate one....
08:49
we would write a wrapper to pget.awk, ya?
08:49
something that understands "LIKE" and such
08:49
<sbalneav>
yeah
08:50
but so far, things like:
08:50
./pget.awk SECTION=Default lts.conf | sed 's/[ \t]*=[ \t]*/=/' | sed 's/^/export/' > goo
08:50
produce nice things like:
08:50
export LDM_DIRECTX=True
08:50
export X_COLOR_DEPTH=64
08:50
export SomeParam="Booyeah \" foo \" "
08:51
<Gadi>
nice
08:51
<sbalneav>
this can then be .'ed by anything that needs it.
08:51* Gadi likes the better handling of quotes
08:52
<sbalneav>
I think the plan will be to parse lts.conf ONCE, and produce a .'able file, and from then on, just use that wherever needed.
08:52* Gadi nods
08:53
<sbalneav>
So, that would solve the whole "binaries in ltsp core" problem.
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08:54* Gadi shrugs - doesnt know what the big deal is
08:54
<Gadi>
:)
08:54
well, /me knows
08:54
just doesnt care as much as everyone else
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09:00
<daduke>
Hi to all. Is this the right place to ask about a problem w/ LTSP on etch concerning local usb drives?
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09:01
<sbalneav>
Yup
09:03
<daduke>
sbalneav: great. I got everything up and running including sound, but the local devices don't work. One question would be whether the ltspfs and ltspfsd packages are necessary. Web sources disagree on this, but we built backports and installed them.
09:05
<sbalneav>
ltspfsd is needed in the chroot
09:05
ltspfs on the server
09:08
<daduke>
sbalneav: all right, this is what I got. The client throws messages upon pluggin in the stick, ltspfs_fstab shows sda1, but it doesn't seem to get thru to the server. I tried a manual mount as suggested on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev, but I don't have any /var/run/ldm_socket*
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09:10
<sbalneav>
Take a look in /lib/udev for the add-fstab-entry helper
09:10
it could be an older one on etch.
09:11
<daduke>
sbalneav: got it. What about it?
09:12
<sbalneav>
Well, check and see where it's writing to the socket
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09:19
<daduke>
sbalneav: thing is, I don't have any /var/run/ldm_socket*
09:19
sbalneav: I also get a warning about a missing delayed_mounter. Problem?
09:21
<sbalneav>
Yes, probably
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<sbalneav>
Where does the ssh line look like it's connecting to in the add-fstab-entry script?
09:23
<daduke>
sbalneav: ssh -X -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${SERVER} "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter ${MOUNTPOINT} add"
09:23
<sbalneav>
look and see where ldm_socket's being set.
09:24
etch is using the old stuff, so the debug page isn't accurate for you
09:24
probably in /tmp
09:25
<daduke>
sbalneav: I don't find any. I got a .ltspfs-socket in /tmp, but nothing ldm
09:26
<sbalneav>
That's it
09:26
<daduke>
sbalneav: I guess it is. But why and what to do about it?
09:27
<sbalneav>
Well, you'll have to use that for the socket in the line from the debug document.
09:27
Someone from the debian side of things should come up with a debug doc :)
09:27
<daduke>
sbalneav: in ldm I have 's = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, ...)', but I don't know python enough to tell whether that's supposed to create the socket
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<sbalneav>
You'll want to try:
09:29
ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs-socket 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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09:30
<sbalneav>
Mornin' Q-FUNK
09:30
<Q-FUNK>
!s
09:30
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:31
<Q-FUNK>
Evenin' sbalneav!
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09:32
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: did you have any luck with the patch attached to bug #140051 ?
09:32
<sbalneav>
Yeah, it doesn't crash on autodetect now, which is nice!
09:32
<daduke>
sbalneav: /tmp/.ltspfs-socket is empty and I get an 'X connection to localhost..' error
09:32
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: ok, that's one down, then :)
09:33
sbalneav: here, I cannot get any X at all
09:33
<sbalneav>
But it doesn't come up with the correct res, either, but that's notedin the bug
09:33
<Q-FUNK>
right
09:33
<sbalneav>
daduke: What's the exact error message?
09:33
<Q-FUNK>
can you add a comment stating both of these to the bug?
09:35
dilinger promised to take over -amd maintenance (and generaly anything Geode) in debian/ubuntu, so it should be soon fixed, but it's still nice if we can orient his work by reporting what works and what doesn't.
09:35
btw, is it normal to end up not getting any X on the client if the server is also used as a workstation?
09:35
<Gadi>
sbalneav: you tested on gutsy?
09:36
<sbalneav>
Sure. I'll comment thismorening
09:36
<Gadi>
with your own deb?
09:36
<sbalneav>
Gadi: yep
09:36
<Gadi>
could you post it somewhere
09:36
<sbalneav>
Did it a couple nights ago.
09:36
<Gadi>
I'd like to test it as well
09:36
<sbalneav>
sure, when I get home tonight, I'll set it up and maybe get it going to my PPA
09:36
<Gadi>
danka
09:37
<sbalneav>
de nada
09:37
<Q-FUNK>
now that you remind me, I should probably enable my PPA and upload all those ubuntu-specific test packages there.
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<Q-FUNK>
I'm tempted to build one against 2.7.7.3 too, just to see if it improves anything
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09:38
<daduke>
sbalneav: X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
09:38
sbalneav: I suppose this is because the socket is empty?
09:40
<sbalneav>
sockets ARE empty
09:40
<daduke>
sbalneav: oops.
09:40
<sbalneav>
what happens if you do a "ssh -S /tmp/blah date?
09:42
<daduke>
sbalneav: I'm on the terminal server
09:43
<sbalneav>
You should be on the thin client itself
09:43
as per the first few steps
09:43
ah, sorry
09:43
<daduke>
sbalneav: no sorry, what I meant was I get loggin into the TS
09:44
<sbalneav>
ssh -S /tmp/blah 192.168... date
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<daduke>
sbalneav: and 192.168. being the TS IP, right?
09:44
<sbalneav>
after you exit from the server
09:44
right
09:44
<daduke>
sbalneav: works. shows the date
09:45
<sbalneav>
brb workping
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09:47
<ogra>
warren, around ?
09:50
<cliebow>
havnt seen him today...
09:51
<ogra>
ah, well, tomorrow is another day
09:51
was offtopic anyway for ltsp :)
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<daduke>
sbalneav: when I execute the ltspfsmounter ssh, I get "X11 connection rejected because of wrong auth" in the TS log.
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09:58
<ogra>
daduke, sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/160420
10:00
<daduke>
ogra: indeed it does.
10:01
<ogra>
there is a workaround listed
10:02
<daduke>
ogra: still reading....
10:05
ogra: thanks, trying now....
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<jcastro>
ogra: can you forward me that LaserRock pic when you get a chance?
10:15
<daduke>
sbalneav, ogra: now I get 'couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom' on the client, server seems fine
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10:18
<sbalneav>
Well, looks like it's got the newer ltspfs, but doesn't have the updated ldm that sets the token.
10:18
So, someone hasn't backported the new ldm yet.
10:19
My guess would be to talk to vagrantc.
10:19
!seen vagrantc
10:19
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <vagrantc> good luck daya
10:20
<sbalneav>
!seen otavio
10:20
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: otavio was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <otavio> vagrantc: as I've done for usplash
10:20
<daduke>
sbalneav: yeah, the ltspfs* packages are backports from sid
10:20
<ogra>
they need the new ldm
10:20
<sbalneav>
yep
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<daduke>
sbalneav, ogra: backport ldm then too?
10:21
<sbalneav>
yep
10:21
<ogra>
jcastro, thats in the set which is still on my cam ... (which currently is lend to my GFs brother but likely back tonight)
10:21
i'll pull them down as soon as i got it here
10:22
sbalneav, i'm still scratching my head how that silly DISPLAY variable got in there
10:22
<sbalneav>
yeah.
10:22
hey, you do an update yet?
10:22
<daduke>
ogra: perhaps it's not so wrong - my problem was that my testing TS has a local X which makes the ssh X :11
10:23
<ogra>
nope, that will also take a while
10:23
it has to go through the SRU process, they will inspect the changes very closely and then it needs through the proposed repo
10:24
where it will sit until enough testing was done
10:24
stable release updates are a PITA
10:26
<daduke>
ogra, sbalneav: did a ldm backport from sid, ldm 5.0.39debian1, still the same atom thing
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10:31
<daduke>
ogra, sbalneav: with the new ldm I cannot log in at all.
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10:33
<jammcq>
hey kidz
10:33
<ogra>
hey jammcq
10:34
<Guaraldo>
Hi, jammcq!
10:36
<daduke>
gotta go, back on monday...
10:36
ogra, sbalneav: thanks guys, getting close....
10:37
<ogra>
daduke, talk to vagrantc, i think he got the new ldm working
10:38
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: May I ask you a favor?
10:41
<jcastro>
ogra: no rush!
10:41
<ogra>
but metallica ?
10:42
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Can ltsp-br channel get in the pastebot channel combo?
10:43
<prpplague>
jammcq: greetings
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10:43
<jammcq>
Guaraldo: umm, we'd have to ask scotty how to do that
10:43
prpplague: howdie
10:44* jammcq just got back from a tour of a Gulfstream G-IV private jet.
10:44
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Hey, Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:44
<prpplague>
jammcq: how did you swing that?
10:44
<jammcq>
I know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who is a flight attendent on the plane
10:44
<sbalneav>
me?!
10:44
heh
10:44
<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey
10:44
<sbalneav>
hey
10:44
<hriday>
hi, i want to test a ltsp installation using my compaq v3000 latop with nforce4 chipset, could some body tell me which image suits it
10:45
<sbalneav>
Is it on www.ltsp.org?
10:45
<jammcq>
Guaraldo: sorry, I was thinking you wanted ltsp-bot
10:45
I can do the pastebot thing
10:45
<sbalneav>
jammcq: yeah, I've already got them a bot.
10:45
<jammcq>
sbalneav: u rock
10:45
<sbalneav>
it's just the pb he wants
10:46
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Wonderfull... We have many users asking things that need to paste configurations... so it will help us a lot!
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10:56
<hriday>
what is the total package size when we do ltsp-build-client ?
10:59
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Thanks!!!
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<sbalneav>
hriday: The size of the chroot it creates, you mean? couple hundred megabytes, usually
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<hriday>
no, i mean how many MB's it downloads
11:03
<sbalneav>
Prolly about the same.
11:03
since it downloads everything it needs for the chroot.
11:03
<hriday>
actually i have a very slow connection and ltsp-build-client is also not indictaing anyhting
11:03
<sbalneav>
What distro are you using?
11:03
<hriday>
debian etch
11:04
<ogra>
it downloads about 120M
11:04
unpacked thats about 300M on disk
11:04
<sbalneav>
You should be able to create the chroot from the cd
11:04
<hriday>
ok, that means a couple of hours.. is there any iso
11:04
<sbalneav>
ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
11:04
I beleive
11:04
<hriday>
yes but which
11:04
cd
11:05
<sbalneav>
Debian install cd, I'm guessing
11:05
<hriday>
is there any ltsp cd for that matter
11:05
<sbalneav>
Works that way with Ubuntu, anyway.
11:05
no
11:05
since we now build using the distro's packages, it's the distro's cd you use.
11:05
The stuff LTSP works on now is very small, a few megabytes only.
11:06
<warren>
sbalneav, hey scotty
11:06
<sbalneav>
Hey warren.
11:06
<warren>
sbalneav, had a chance to redo the structure?
11:06
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I've done ldm, jetpipe, and ltspfs
11:06
working on the ltsp core now, too.
11:07
in between answering questions, buying my wife a birthday present, doing my regular day job, etc :)
11:07
<ogra>
sbalneav, i have the structure mostly done
11:07
<sbalneav>
Could someone PLEASE ADD ANOTHER 12 HOURS TO THE DAY?!?!?!
11:07
24 hours isn't enough it seems :)
11:08
ogra: Got it posted somewheres?
11:08
<ogra>
i was waiting for the branch
11:08
<sbalneav>
Well, I was trying to get the structure in place before the branch :)
11:08
so, chicken and egg.
11:08
:)
11:09
<ogra>
yeah, i have no personal server atm ... :/ i dont want a one timer branch on LP
11:09
lets see if i can get it up on people.u.c
11:09
<sbalneav>
hold on
11:10
<hriday>
i did ltsp-build-client --mirror file///cdrom, it proceded with error could not find these debs: locales
11:11
<ogra>
your cdrom needs to be mounted under /cdrom indeed
11:12
(if you have the iso you can also loop mount that there, that speeds everything up)
11:12
<hriday>
yeah the cdrom is mounted before i did that
11:12
<sbalneav>
ogra: check priv
11:19
<cliebow>
ogra:i added line to inetd.conf to run nbdrootd on 2001 for opt/ltsp/powerpc..and added to yaboot.conf nbdport=2001..
11:20
i see mounting rofs on /root/rofs failed: invslid arg
11:20
running init.bottom mount /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev..
11:21
<ogra>
the nbd mount fauiled before that i guess
11:21
<cliebow>
failed no such file
11:21
yes i think so..
11:21
<ogra>
check the daemon.log on the server
11:21
<cliebow>
k
11:21
<ogra>
if there is anything with the permissions of the image for example
11:22
<cliebow>
avahi-autoipd; successfully csalled root
11:22
last line is interface not suitable
11:25
<yopla>
OK, I'm back. I've looked in ldm source to custumize greeter. I think all is in ldmgreeter/src
11:26
<cliebow>
hang a sec...
11:27
<yopla>
I think I know how to remove Shutown menu item in greeter.c
11:28
<cliebow>
sbalneav do 8~)
11:29
<yopla>
but as I'm note gtk developper I can't ad a labael text below the username textbox
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<cliebow>
this is wierd..tftp wont finish downloading initramfs now..
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12:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, all pushed
12:32
i have a packaging branch for ubuntu as well
12:41
<nuba2>
anyone familiar with the tg3 driver?
12:42
this isnt really edubuntu specific though, but my server's second eth port just crashed and causes the kernel to freeze up
12:43
hp support were told me they dont support debian, even though this a kernel specific error
12:44
I'm just wondering if this could a common issue with the tg3 driver, as it seems pretty new
12:44
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/159808 ?
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<nuba2>
looks like the same thing... its happened 2 times already
12:46
last time I left it alone and switched to a single ethernet setup, but its less than ideal
12:46
after a while I checked and it was working again
12:46
I guess I'll add my 2 cents to launchpad thread
12:47
<ogra>
yeah
12:47
the dev team was travelling for two weeks ... we just catch up on work again
12:47
the kernel team will eventually get to that bug
12:47
<nuba2>
it doesnt seem ubuntu specific though
12:48
on the net I've found references to the kernel message for redhat and novell based systems too
12:48
<ogra>
ah
12:48
well, there might be a fix upstream
12:49
<nuba2>
maybe there is another driver that can be used?
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13:20
<ogra1>
woah
13:21* ogra1 just connected his laptop directly through his new SDSL line (no firewall etc yet) ....
13:21
<ogra1>
i got three nbd mount attempts on my lappie in 10 min already :)
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13:21
<jammcq>
ogra1: somebody is probing you,eh?
13:22
<ogra1>
yeah, funny
13:22
<stgraber>
ogra1: how fast is the new line ?
13:22
<cliebow>
this is wierd..tftp wont finish downloading initramfs now..
13:22
<ogra1>
i had ttally forgotten how the net feels without router or firewall :)
13:22
stgraber, just 2M .... but symmetrical \o/
13:23
i had to do it on a business contract ... they dont sell these to normal customers
13:23
but that got me an 6h SLA alongside ... so not bad at all :)
13:24
<scrapbunny>
has anyone noticed a difference in overall speed on clients running gnome vs kde or xfds?
13:25
<ogra1>
scrapbunny, there shouldnt be any difference client side
13:25
on the server side the load will be higher with the first two though
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<vagrantc>
ogra1: hey
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<scrapbunny>
i am trying to make sure the speed on my clients is as fast as possible. i am planning on having 32 clients running and the 14 i have up now are running a lot slower then I thought they would
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<ogra1>
well, its all abuot the server
13:28
the only thing clients affect speed wise is the boot process
13:30
<scrapbunny>
i have checked that and even asked here and was told that i have a pretty beefy server. maybe i am just trying to run apps that are not ment for thin clients
13:30
<vagrantc>
well, depends on how slow the clients are if you're using LDM's ssh sessions
13:30
<ogra1>
indeed
13:30
below 200MHz will hurt
13:31
vagrantc, i just noted ... i'm directly connected to the net currently .... three nbd mount attempts from the web during 10 min :)
13:31
<scrapbunny>
i have the default edubuntu 7.10 set up and have been having issues bulk adding users so i am on my third clean install
13:32
as i'm sure you can tell from when i have been on here before i am a newbie to thin clients and ubuntu
13:32
:-D
13:33
<ogra1>
well, KDE and GNOME will take a similar amount of ressources ...
13:33
XFCE will be slightly lighter but also take a lot of comfort as a price for that
13:33
<rjune_>
and your first born child.
13:34
<ogra1>
KDE and GNOME require around 128M pre running session .. XFCE might be at 96
13:34
imho its usually not worth the loss on functionallity to use xfce ...
13:34
<vagrantc>
ogra1: directly connected to the net ... ??
13:34
<ogra1>
it used to be very lightweight but that changed over time
13:35
vagrantc, got a new line today, i'm just testing the first connect
13:35
which i did manually from my lappie
13:35
<vagrantc>
ogra1: nbd mount attempts ?
13:35
ogra1: or just random port scans ?
13:35
<ogra1>
yeah, on my eth0 :)
13:35
<vagrantc>
heh
13:36
<ogra1>
Nov 16 20:13:31 laptop nbd_server[6322]: connect from 85.190.0.3, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
13:36
Nov 16 20:13:31 laptop nbd_server[6323]: connect from 85.190.0.3, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
13:36
Nov 16 20:13:31 laptop nbd_server[6322]: Size of exported file/device is 147529728
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<ogra1>
:)
13:36
etc ...
13:36
<jammcq>
port scans
13:36
<vagrantc>
i found xfce to be *way* lighter at least ona freind's powerpc ... switching their ubuntu from gnome to xfce freed up about 90MB of ram.
13:36
and loss of functionality was minimal
13:36
<ogra1>
jammcq, Size of exported file/device is 147529728 is written after the connect established
13:37
<jammcq>
hmm, who in the world is gonna know what to do with a nbd mount?
13:37
<vagrantc>
ogra1: at least they're not hitting your nbd-swap ports :)
13:37
<jammcq>
i'm guessing it's random poking
13:37
<ogra1>
vagrantc, well, depends if you talk about plain xfce (and having to use xterm for half of your stuff) or about a fully fledged desktop with thunar etc
13:38
<vagrantc>
ogra1: well, i'm talking about the fully fledged desktop ...
13:38
<ogra1>
jammcq, well, there is nothing stopping them from ounting my squashfs :)
13:38
*mounting
13:38
<jammcq>
brains
13:38
that's what is stopping them
13:38
<dberkholz>
xfce was still too slow on this powerpc. i had to switch to fluxbox.
13:38
<vagrantc>
ogra1: a huge savings in ram ... if you've got 256MB, xfce is a huge improvement... maybe if you have 512MB of ram, you wouldn't notice
13:38
<ogra1>
vagrantc, really ? i tried xubuntu-desktop recently ... that was only saving between 10-20M
13:39
<vagrantc>
ogra1: that was my experience as of a month or two ago
13:39
<ogra1>
i also tried it on the classmate ... didnt really help ....
13:39
and there i got only 256M
13:39
<dberkholz>
if you're running gnome and kde apps, you kinda lose the benefit.
13:39
<vagrantc>
maybe there's something freakish with powerpc arch ?
13:39
<ogra1>
indeed
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<vagrantc>
main applications used were openoffice and firefox ... so other than sharing gtk, pretty desktop agnostic (though RAM hungry)
13:40
<Q-FUNK>
xfce is nice. icewm even nicer.
13:41
<vagrantc>
yeah, i prefer handing people icewm
13:41
if you're really looking for lightweight
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<Q-FUNK>
vagrantc: although I have yet to figure out why esound is a dependency of icewm.
13:45
vagrantc: it often feels as if Marko, upstream, eventually wanted to implement proper session management, including a desktop sound daemon, but never got around completing it.
13:45
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: yeah, that does seem odd
13:47
<Q-FUNK>
btw, does anybody know if debian or ubuntu ever had the intention of migrating all older DE to the XDG menu format and to get rid of the debian-specific menu format?
13:48
<cliebow>
maybe there's something freakish with powerpc arch ? I"LL SAY!!
13:48
<vagrantc>
seems like powerpc consumes way more ram to get the same functionality ... and the binaries are bigger
13:49
<cliebow>
this g4 is swaped out a little at 500 meg ram
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<Drakeweb>
hi cliebow
13:54
we were talking a day or so ago
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13:55
<Drakeweb>
about ltsp on a netvista 2200
13:55
and kernel 2.6
13:55
<cliebow>
ahh yes..
13:56
<Drakeweb>
you were looking into the 2.6 port that was on sourceforge
13:56
<cliebow>
and you solved it?
13:56
<Drakeweb>
ha ha ha
13:56
sorry!
13:56
<cliebow>
i wrote the guy..he never wrote back..
13:56
<Drakeweb>
I'm not that smart
13:56
I'm looking for answers!
13:56
I've actually tried running it
13:56
on a 2200
13:57
<cliebow>
ill set up something here..ive been head banging with this silly ibook all afternoon
13:57
<Drakeweb>
but it hangs half way through booting
13:57
<cliebow>
with 2.4 or 2.6??
13:57
<Drakeweb>
just like the 2.4 kernel does
13:57
<cliebow>
ahh
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<cliebow>
any messages to show where you are???
13:58
in the process??
13:58
<Drakeweb>
and I'm just not knowledgeable enough to figure out the minuti (sp?)
13:58
<cliebow>
ethereal??
13:58
<Drakeweb>
tell you what, I'll go boot it up and get some info
14:05
ok, so it will boot from tftp
14:06
download the kernel (2.6.20.3)
14:06
and run
14:06
but it hangs trying to access nfs
14:06
<cliebow>
nfs server ok otherwise?
14:07
<Drakeweb>
nope, not installed (ltsp5 and all that!)
14:07
<cliebow>
where is it getting its initramfs?
14:07
<Drakeweb>
how would i find that out please?
14:08
<cliebow>
Balls..too many dhcp servers..
14:08
<Drakeweb>
?
14:08
<cliebow>
the 2.4 kernel must hve an initrd tagged to it..
14:09
<warren>
jammcq, sweet, I got fedora running on the T1000
14:09
<Drakeweb>
2.6 identifies the servers correctly
14:09
<warren>
jammcq, boot up took maybe 1.5 minutes
14:09
<Drakeweb>
but picks up no rootpath
14:09
<ogra__>
warren, native or ltsp5 ?
14:09
<Drakeweb>
(not having nfs installed)
14:09
<warren>
ogra__, kind of an ugly hybrid at the moment
14:10
<ogra__>
well, applause anyway :)
14:10
<warren>
ogra__, did you finish the mkdist script? I'd like to see the latest version
14:10
<ogra__>
http://www.ltsp.org/~ogra/ltsp/
14:10
<warren>
X seems to be really slow
14:10
I think it is running vesa
14:10
<ogra__>
its only the basic skeleton, feel free to add stuff
14:10
using ldm ? or XDMCP
14:11
<warren>
XDMCP
14:11
<ogra__>
hmm
14:11
<cliebow>
ok..i have a netvista booting 4.1/2.4.19 here..
14:11* vagrantc wonders when vagrant gets an account at ltsp.org
14:11
<cliebow>
ill shovel a diff kernel in
14:11
<warren>
yeah, it is running vesa
14:12
<Drakeweb>
ok
14:12
I get
14:12
bootserver=192.168.1.254
14:12
<vagrantc>
ogra__: hey, you never signed my gpg key ... you lost that piece of paper didn't you?
14:12
<Drakeweb>
rootserver=192.168.1.254
14:13
rootpath=
14:13
then a VFS: error about cannot find nfs or block (0,0)
14:13
<ogra__>
vagrantc, nope, i'm just an evil slacker, still got it
14:13
<warren>
The T1000 really isn't that slow.
14:14
<ogra__>
its 900MHz, isnt it ?
14:14
<warren>
ogra__, 200MHz
14:14
<ogra__>
huh
14:14
oh
14:14
heh, messed that up with the T1200
14:14
you mean the ebox :)
14:15* ogra__ still thinks its the worst HW he's seen the last years ...
14:15
<warren>
it is faster than qemu
14:15
much faster
14:16
<vagrantc>
heh
14:16
<warren>
and much faster than the thincan
14:16
oddly enough
14:16
<ogra__>
that needs a sis driver
14:16
there is also a sisfb module
14:17
abd there is no sound driver for recent kernels
14:17
<warren>
ogra__, yeah, that's a big drawback
14:17
<ogra__>
i hacked up the oss driver for the gutsy kernel but only got veryy choppy results
14:17
<warren>
choppy
14:17
gutsy has OSS?
14:17
we don't even ship it anymore
14:17
<ogra__>
like: sound stutters if you move the mouse
14:17
we have the build deps there
14:18
but dont ship it
14:18
<cliebow>
Drakeweb, still there?
14:18
<ogra__>
you can easily compile stuff if you need it
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<Drakeweb>
yep
14:18
<cliebow>
is that kernel in the root of your nfs mount?
14:18
<Drakeweb>
I don't have nfs installed!
14:19
<ogra__>
warren, what resolution do you run ? above 1024x768 i found it nearly unusable (scrolling in FF was a pain)
14:19
<cliebow>
it sure sounds like you have an initrd insatalled..
14:19
where did you get this kernel?
14:19
<Drakeweb>
what should i type to test it?
14:19
from the sourceforge site
14:19
<cliebow>
kernel.2x00
14:19
?
14:20
<Drakeweb>
note sure
14:20
I have a few kernels stored
14:20
as I've been playing around with them
14:21
<cliebow>
it sure sounds like you are at second dhcp request..
14:21
<Drakeweb>
they're all in the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 folder
14:21
yes, i think i am
14:21
it downloads, then boots, then stops
14:21
<warren>
ogra__, I have a 1680x1050 monitor, so it is probably trying the max the box is capable 1280x1024
14:21
<cliebow>
wireshark would show you if tftp download is followed by second dhcp request..
14:22
at which time you asre borked without nfs running
14:22
<Drakeweb>
should i install nfs?
14:22
i thought ltsp5 wanted to avoid that?
14:22
but if i need it to boot a 2200
14:23
then i guess i should?
14:23
<vagrantc>
gutsy's LTSP doesn't use NFS by default
14:23
<cliebow>
if your initrd doesnt support nbd then nfs is the way to go..
14:23
<Drakeweb>
am i being dumb?
14:23
<cliebow>
no
14:23
<Drakeweb>
ok, how do i install it?
14:24
<ogra__>
warren, yeah thats the highest i tried
14:24
<cliebow>
i can not tell if the initrd you appear to be loading is an ltsp one..it cant be i dont think
14:24
<ogra__>
i think it would make a good webkiosk terminal with just X and FF runnig locally
14:24
<cliebow>
so the instructions to do an nbd mount are not there
14:24
<ogra__>
but i find it really to slow as a desktop
14:26
<Drakeweb>
should in install unfs, nfs-user-server or nfs-kernel-server?
14:26
or none of the above!
14:27
<ogra__>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
14:27
nfs-kernel-server ...
14:27
see the bottom of the page
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<cliebow>
kernel.2x00 loads and hangs
14:29
<warren>
whoa
14:30
ogra__, it is running at 1680x1050
14:30
no wonder it is so slow
14:30
<Drakeweb>
hmm, so I appear to already have nfs-kernel-server installed
14:30
<ogra__>
heh
14:30
<Drakeweb>
how do i turn it on?
14:30
i've read the page you sent and see what i need to do in chroot
14:30
<ogra__>
it should attempt to start if you install it
14:31
<cliebow>
check /etc/exports..that your chroot is exported..
14:31
showmount -e should show something
14:31
<ogra__>
ltsp-server-standalone should have set up your /etc/exports already
14:31
<Drakeweb>
slow down, guys! I'm getting lost
14:32
apt-get install nfs-kernel-server returns:
14:32
nfs-kernel-server is already the newest version
14:32
nothing is downloaded.
14:33
<cliebow>
ok..this is ubuntu? so lets do netstat -anp|grep ":2049"..see if it is running
14:35
<Drakeweb>
tcp 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
14:35
<cliebow>
kernel.2x00 clearly starts..but has no initrd racked on..
14:35
<Drakeweb>
udp same
14:35
<cliebow>
cool..so nfs is running..showmount -e
14:35
<Drakeweb>
showmount -e gives nothing
14:35
but the /etc/exports file is empty
14:35
<cliebow>
ahh..
14:36
<Drakeweb>
i have /opt/ltsp/i386 i can uncomment
14:36
with ro, no_root_squash etc.
14:36
<cliebow>
/opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
14:36
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
14:36
assuming your network is correct
14:37
dont worry about the second
14:37
item
14:37
<Drakeweb>
ok, how do i reboot nfs once ive changed exports?
14:37
<cliebow>
exportfs -na
14:38
then check with showmount -e
14:38
<Drakeweb>
invalid option -- n
14:38
<cliebow>
umm
14:38
to be sure.../etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
14:38
umm
14:38
<Drakeweb>
usage: exportfs [-aruv]
14:38
<cliebow>
then check with showmount -e
14:39
<Drakeweb>
hang on ...
14:39
export list:
14:40
/opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.1.0./255.255.255.0
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<cliebow>
cool..
14:41
<warren>
ogra__, X is unusably slow even at 1024x768
14:41
<Drakeweb>
ok, now what do i do?
14:42
<cliebow>
it for sure will not do nfs at this point..but any error messages would be a big help..
14:42
<Drakeweb>
ok ,shall i reboot the 2200 and see what happens?
14:43
oh hang on, do i need to do the chroot thing?
14:43
<cliebow>
My experience is that to boot a 2200 the kernel must be in the root of the nfsmounted filesystem..
14:43
<Drakeweb>
that the ubuntu page lists
14:43
<ogra__>
warren, right ... now put some stuttering sounds to that while you move the mouse ad the fun is perfect :)
14:43
<warren>
ogra__, sisfb is required?
14:43
<Drakeweb>
is that /opt/ltsp/i386?
14:43
<cliebow>
i havnt looked but if ogra recommends..let er rip
14:44
<Drakeweb>
can the tftp server serve files from that location?
14:44
<ogra__>
warren, it didnt really speed up ... but you can try
14:44
<warren>
we don't build sisfb unfortunately
14:44
<cliebow>
you see the catch 22?? you cant point tftp to download from /opt/ltsp/i386 easily
14:45
<Drakeweb>
what if the kernel is in both locations?
14:45
<cliebow>
that is whyi have copied the i386 folder into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1
14:45
<ogra__>
well, ours didnt improve anything ... but the sis X driver did a bit
14:45
<cliebow>
and amended my tftpreference to thart kernel
14:46
<Drakeweb>
ok, i'm getting lost here
14:46
let me reboot the 2200 and see what happens
14:46
<cliebow>
here is my stanza..
14:46
host netvista1{
14:46
hardware ethernet 00:60:94:2a:89:fe;
14:46
fixed-address 192.168.0.19;
14:46
filename "/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1/vmlinux-2.4.19-LTSP-IBMNC";
14:46
option root-path "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1";
14:46
God help you
14:47
from dhcpd.conf
14:48
<Drakeweb>
ok, exactly the same error
14:48
<cliebow>
can you gzip that kernel and email it to me??
14:49
cliebow "at" ltsp.org
14:49
<Drakeweb>
sure.
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<scrapbunny>
will turning off unused services help speed up things on an edubuntu 7.10 system?
14:54
<Drakeweb>
'tis on it's way
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<cliebow>
cool!
14:57
<Drakeweb>
i also have a vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-386 lying around
14:57
is that of any use?
14:57
<ogra__>
scrapbunny, not noticeable i think
14:57
Drakeweb, thats the ubuntu ltsp kernel
14:57
<Drakeweb>
ha ha ha - oops!
14:57
so probably very useful then!?
14:57
just not on a 2200
14:57
oh brother ...
14:58
sorry!
14:58
ok, what about an nbi.img-2.6.22-14-386?
14:59
<ogra__>
well, if u can get it uncompressed you could try the binary hack
14:59
thate the etherboot ubuntu kernel
14:59
*thats
14:59
<Drakeweb>
no - that's way outa my league!
15:00
<warren>
jammcq, is the T1000 usable for anyone? X at 1024x768 seems to be really slow.
15:00
<Drakeweb>
ideally, getting this 2.6.20 booting via nfs would be great
15:01
<vagrantc>
warren: allegedly, the t1000 works fine with ltsp 4.x
15:01
<cliebow>
netvista doesnt have a Real Time Clock so on boot up it appears to think it is january 1943
15:01
<scrapbunny>
thanks ogra
15:01
<Drakeweb>
cool!
15:01
<jammcq>
warren: yeah, did you try setting LDM_DIRECT_X ?
15:01
<warren>
jammcq, not using LDM here
15:01
<jammcq>
keep in mind, the people using these things aren't necessarily power users
15:02
<warren>
youtube videos update frames like every other second
15:02
<cliebow>
ogra: what about an initr...ohhhhhhhhh
15:02
<warren>
dragging a window leaves a trail behind it
15:02
menus leave trails
15:02
<jammcq>
we've got a site with 150 thin clients. all of the users are pounding transactions into a database all day long. you want youtube, use a bigger thin client
15:02
<warren>
ah
15:02
<jammcq>
pick the hardware for the job you want to do
15:02
<warren>
jammcq, on the bright side, it boots reliatively quick
15:02
<jammcq>
heh
15:02
how quick?
15:03
<warren>
let me time it
15:03
<Drakeweb>
I know this isn't relevant right now, but I'm doing this in an attic that is so cold my beer doesn't need chilling ...
15:03
<jammcq>
mmm, beer
15:03
<ogra__>
my fastest boot (XDMCP, all options that could slow down dropped) was 110 secs
15:04
with ldm it still takes its time
15:05
<Drakeweb>
cliebow, should I do the chroot hacks listed on the ubuntu page?
15:06
<ogra__>
if you have a single app only usage its a great thing i guess ... as i said, i bet they make good webkiosks with local firefox
15:06
<warren>
133 seconds, no attempt of optimization has been made yet
15:06
<jammcq>
hmm
15:06
<ogra__>
thats quite good
15:06
<jammcq>
110, 133. ltsp-4.2 did it in 42 secs :)
15:06
<warren>
it sat on starting udev for 40 seconds or so
15:06
I can probably improve that
15:06
<ogra__>
just make it not wait ;)
15:06
<warren>
how?
15:07
<ogra__>
we have a udevsettle command that will wait until all devices have settled
15:07
not sure that comes from upstream
15:07
grep for it in the initscripts
15:07
and comment it
15:07
<Drakeweb>
ok, gotta go watch "Children in need" now. I'll try another day ... cheers
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<ogra__>
ubuntus udev copes fine with that (the NIC driver was loaded in initramfs already, other stuff isnt necessarily needed that early)
15:08
as long as all devs are there if X comes up all is fine :)
15:08
<warren>
hmm, we don't have udevsettle
15:09
<ogra__>
but you might have something similar
15:09
<warren>
well, we have it, but no mention of it in initscripts
15:09
<ogra__>
hmm
15:09
<warren>
I'm not going to worry about this for now
15:09
gotta get ltsp core in shape
15:10
<jammcq>
sounds like it's shaping up nicely
15:10
<warren>
jammcq, X performance was better in LTSP-4.2?
15:10
<jammcq>
umm, certainly useable
15:10
<warren>
jammcq, no, I'm running largely LTSP-4.2 scripts in the chroot right now
15:10
jammcq, I've been working mainly on our initramfs equivalent
15:10
<jammcq>
ah
15:10
i'm just happy that you are working on it
15:10* ogra__ can imagine thats the biggest part
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<ogra__>
the initscripts are really trivial
15:11
<warren>
jammcq, too bad the T1000 is so slow, I wish I had something in this form factor but faster.
15:11
<ogra__>
the case is pretty cool
15:11
<jammcq>
smaller/faster, it's all coming in the future
15:11* ogra__ loves the idea of mounting it to a plasma TV
15:11
<cliebow>
Drakeweb..it certainly looks like it has some potential...
15:12
<warren>
when I ran Pentium 133MHz it was faster than this
15:12
(Pentium 133MHz as thin client)
15:12
<jammcq>
hmm
15:12* ogra__ agrees
15:12
<jammcq>
the sis chipset is pretty crappy
15:12
<ogra__>
the prob is that its all on one chip i guess
15:12
<jammcq>
I think no cache
15:12
<warren>
ah, cache would make all the difference
15:12
<ogra__>
yup
15:12
<jammcq>
200mhz processor outta be faster than 133, but no cache screws that up
15:12
<warren>
jammcq, customers know what they are getting into when they buy it?
15:13
<jammcq>
umm, I hope so. there's been no returns yet that I'm aware of
15:15
<cliebow>
Drakeweb:where dids you find this>??
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<cliebow_>
forgot to say goodnight...
15:29
Goodnight..
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<warren>
jammcq, ah..
15:49
jammcq, you might want to change some BIOS settings before shipping out T1000's, or write a card reminding customers
15:49
jammcq, it has a bunch of stupid defaults, like 8MB video RAM, ACPI off, PNP off, etc.
15:50
<jammcq>
did changing them help?
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<warren>
jammcq, seemingly no....
15:52
jammcq, although I see less complaining about broken stuff in dmesg
15:52
<jammcq>
hmm
15:53
<warren>
I guess there's only so much champagne I can squeeze from this moose.
15:53
(none)
15:55
jammcq, ah, changing that optoin changed the power button behavior
15:55
jammcq, before you could turn it off instnatly, but now you have to hold it down
15:56
<ogra__>
lol, nice phrase
15:57* ogra__ tries to imagine warren holding a moose over a glass .... squeezing
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<warren>
jammcq, well, I guess it beats the thincan in that takes less than 30 minutes to boot
16:04
<jammcq>
heh
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<lns>
Hey, with flashplugin-nonfree/nspluginwrapper and firefox w/LTSP (pulseaudio), should I still have /etc/firefox/firefoxrc set to "padsp" for sound?
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<Drakeweb>
cliebow, you still there?
16:35
ogra?
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<Drakeweb>
hey cliebow
16:52
<cliebow>
Hey!
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<Drakeweb>
so i discovered that I'm more of a moron than I initially thought
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<cliebow>
heh...i find thast out every day/....
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<Drakeweb>
my 2200 was set to boot with a static ip, not access the dhcp server
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for its IP
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and it downloaded the kernel via tftp
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but did not pick up and useful info from dhcp
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so I changed it to boot via dhcp
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and it wont!
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it will get an IP
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but gives me a boot protocol error after that
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and cant download the kernel
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any ideas?
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<cliebow>
hmmm...do you have option 211 set?
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<Drakeweb>
no - i've been trying that for the last hour!
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but it wont set
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dhcp3 gives me errors
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in the config file
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every time i try
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<cliebow>
option option-211 code 211=string;
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option option-211 74:66:74:70;
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<Drakeweb>
unknown option dhcp.option-211
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that's my error ^
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<cliebow>
that is in the "defsault" section of dhcpd.conf?
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<Drakeweb>
yep - /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
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<cliebow>
illpastebot mine for you..
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<Drakeweb>
I've tried reading the help pages for dhcp3, but there is no reference to the option211 option
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I've tried those two lines you gave me a number of times, but get that error
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "authoritative; option option-2" (82 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/360
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<cliebow>
ignore the cruft
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<Drakeweb>
yep - i follow it - i've tried the option 211 thing, but I get errors
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<cliebow>
damn...dpkg -l|grep dhcp3-server
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damn...dpkg -l|grep dhcp3-server
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3.0.5-3ubuntu4
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<str4nd>
why not dpkg -s dhcp3-server
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<cliebow>
]cause im challenged 8~)
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<Drakeweb>
yep - identical
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3.0.5
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ubuntu4
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ok,
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got somewhere
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moved those option-211 lines from within the subnet definitions to global
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and the config passed
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gonna try the 2200 boot again
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<cliebow>
yes..in the default section
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<cliebow>
str4nd, thank you by thye way..
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<Drakeweb>
same error - "boot file server protocol not specified"
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that's on the 2200 boot screen.
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it picks up an ip, but cannot download the kernel
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<str4nd>
o_O?
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Ah, ok.
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<cliebow>
in the bios iiit is set right?i think i mentioned it on wiki..
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<Drakeweb>
there doesn't seem to be anywhere specific to select it in the latest (2002) bios
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I picked dhcp and config from dhcp
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and that's it
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<cliebow>
ae you watching wireshark to see what the packets say?? btw a compressed kernel will give that same error..
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why not pastebot at pastebot.ltsp.org your dhcpd.conf
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<Drakeweb>
how do i do that?
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<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"Drakeweb" pasted "dhcp.conf" (56 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/361
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<cliebow>
sure that hardware address is right? mine are all 00:06:94
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<Drakeweb>
yep - double checked!
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<cliebow>
do you have a kernel at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/linux---->
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<Drakeweb>
it gets the ip from dhcp, then fails with the boot server error
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yep, checked that too
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<cliebow>
are you running wiresahrk to get the resal poop?
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so to speak
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<Drakeweb>
just downloaded and installed - cool!
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will reboot 2200 and see
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hmmm, not sure what i'm looking for
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<cliebow>
should see dhcp packets..the talk between server and client
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what parameters are passed
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<Drakeweb>
can i filter the info to make it easier to spot?
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<cliebow>
tftp failure?:
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Drakeweb, maybe you can.. i never got good at thast
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should see dhcp discover..for sure
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<Drakeweb>
how do i check my tftp server is running?
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<cliebow>
netstat -anp|grep ":69"
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<Drakeweb>
aaagh! different keymapping, can't find pipe!
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<Drakeweb>
got it
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udp 0.0.0.0
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<cliebow>
ill be in and out...
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<Drakeweb>
etc.
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<cliebow>
you should see four dhcp packets in wireshark..a little arp perjhaps..then tftp success or failure
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<Drakeweb>
nope. not seeing any of that
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<Drakeweb>
although the n2200 finds the dhcp server address, an the boot server addres
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ok, filtered on ARP now
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and got lots
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<Drakeweb>
cliebow - you still there?
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<sysadmin>
my thin-clients aren't accepting passwords for login, IIRC , there was some command to resync keys or something?? (help!)
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<lns>
sysadmin, did you try ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
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<sysadmin>
bravo! thanks, worked
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<lns>
=)
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<ace_suares>
http://www.suares.an/ltsp-build-client-apt-mirror
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