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Channel log from 23 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:03
<stgraber>
change commited, let's hope I didn't break something I forgot to test :) Good night guys
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<alkisg>
sbalneav, some things like LDM_SERVER, LDM_RUNONCE, ENCRYPT_SWAP, LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL etc are not documented, is this on purpose?
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13:10
<warren>
jammcq: http://lwn.net/Articles/308234/ VIA releases chipset documentation, their driver's source code, and working with the openchrome team
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jammcq: VIA might not suck!
13:30
<jammcq>
warren: wow
13:30
cool stuff
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<warren>
openchrome was the least broken of the via drivers
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Fedora defaulted to it 3 releases ago
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14:44
<stgraber>
warren: hey, wrt the openchrome I did some testing at the office and in fact the xorg driver integrated in Ubuntu seems to work exactly the same as fedora's except that what make it break is the hardware itself.
14:44
Basically if you use Wyse's video splitter to get the DVI and VGA output it works fine but if you use a standard DVI to VGA adapter you get no video mode detection
14:44
<warren>
stgraber: which xorg driver does Ubuntu use?
14:45
there is via, unichrome, openchrome, and proprietary shit
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stgraber: also many different via cards
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<stgraber>
openchrome
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<warren>
stgraber: Fedora uses openchrome
14:46
<stgraber>
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
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that's the buggy one
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I had to set VBEModes to true to at least get something higher than 800x600 but then you loose the screen resolution detection ...
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<warren>
I haven't tested that one myself
14:48
<stgraber>
we also have some: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics (rev 03)
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these work perfectly fine with autodetection
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<vagrantc>
gadi: as an alternative to cdfs: http://castet.matthieu.free.fr/cddfs/
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15:39
<jhutchins>
My nano doesn't seem to hotplug on the client. It detects it as sda, but no user dialog.
15:39
(Current ltsp on etch-n-half debian)
15:47
<stgraber>
I'm currently building some test packages of ldm and ltsp to make sure ltsp-cluster works correctly. If it does, does anyone have a problem with me tagging a new release for these two ?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: go right ahead, as far as i'm concerned :)
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until debian releases, you'll only impact debian's experimental distribution , if anything, and that's ... well... experimental :)
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<stgraber>
testing and bugfix done, I'm tagging a new release now
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: the .orig.tar.gz will be in my PPA in a few minutes http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: cool. i'll prepare an experimental upload today or tomorrow, then :)
17:36
<Ryan52>
you should use pristine tar for that.
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<stgraber>
Ryan52: it's the upstream .tar.gz renamed to .orig.tar.gz, no changes there
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<Ryan52>
upstream makes tars? oh :P
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<stgraber>
sh ../mkdst-trunk/mkdst tar --from-tag=ltsp-5.1.35
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<Ryan52>
then why does vagrantc need your tar? why can't he just run that himself?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i thought pristine-tar only worked with git?
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Ryan52: it ends up with different makefiles
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well, automake stuffs
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<Ryan52>
oh. okay. didn't know it did that.
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<vagrantc>
it just uses the stuff that auto* copies into the tarball...
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so whatever exact version is on the system, it'll have slight differences
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<Ryan52>
no, pristine-tar doesn't touch any vcs stuff.
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it just uses a delta file and a directory full of stuff you want in the tar.
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it can commit stuff to git, but you don't have to use that feature for it to be useful.
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but ya, I didn't know about the autotools stuff.
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<vagrantc>
it would be nice to be able to use pristine-tar somehow.
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although it might just end up with an absurd amount of auto* stuff in the diffs
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: ah, you've already done the ldminfod split? :)
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18:54
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah
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vagrantc: I just have a bug with the doc, the manpage is there but dh_installman doesn't put it in the package
18:55
<vagrantc>
i've got some test builds going now ... seems like no significant changes from the previous version
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20:14
<beia_>
i need help
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on boot for motherbord, return this error
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TFTP.
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PXE-T01: File not Found
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what happen ?
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<sbalneav>
beia_: What version of LTSP are you running?
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20:37
<beia_>
4.2
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sbalneav 4.2
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<sbalneav>
Sounds like you either don't have TFTP enabled, or don't have the kernel files loaded in the tftp area.
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<petre>
sbalneav, in the Disks section of the docs, it seems to specifically endorse the use of Western Digital drives; is this, uh, appropriate?
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<sbalneav>
I'll have a look
20:42
Someone else wrote that. I can remove the branding.
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<petre>
I'm sure the WD drives will perform well, but so will 15k RPM Seagates
20:44
<sbalneav>
beia_: Did you see my last comment?
20:45
<petre>
and who knows what we'll have in a year or two
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sbalneav, thanks
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<sbalneav>
petre: Can't remember who contributed that. I've been spending the majority of my time getting it oganized, and not doing a lot of fact checking/proofreading.
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<petre>
I've just been enjoying reading it, so thanks for all that you've done
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I just got to that part and thought it seemed a bit out of place
20:47
<sbalneav>
Well, there's a lot of work in there, and still more to do.
20:47
When I started this for the Gutsy release, we had nothing :)
20:48
You're working with warren on the fedora stuff, right?
20:48
<petre>
right
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we don't have much documentation yet
20:48
<warren>
petre: with the Fedora 10 release on Nov 25th, we can't release K12Linux F9 final for a while
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petre: bandwidth will be swamped
20:49
<petre>
yeah, I kinda figured that would overwhelm things
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<warren>
petre: we might just rename the rc1 and call it final. It wasn't broken in any way I know.
20:49
<petre>
warren, what needs to be done yet for the release?
20:50
<warren>
petre: there was one report of jetpipe breaking in the latest ltsp I pushed to F9 updates, but I haven't been able to reproduce it.
20:50
well, I haven't tried
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and I don't have a printer
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<petre>
I've got a Brother with a jetdirect port
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<petre>
I can test it with
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<sbalneav>
Who wrote the "fedora" section of the manual? Was that you, warren?
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<petre>
(never occurred to me to try it, as my test system is downstairs, printer is upstairs
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<warren>
sbalneav: what manual?
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sbalneav: I wrote no documentation for anything
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<petre>
sbalneav, this is probably old hat, but why is the manual not a wiki?
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!docs
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<ltspbot>
petre: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
20:53
<petre>
there's a Fedora section in there
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I haven't read it yet, though, trying to take it in order from top to bottom
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<sbalneav>
petre: Because wiki's aren't a good format for an official set of docs
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you can't "print the whole manual"
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Morons can edit it, and mess it up
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etc.
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<petre>
yes, I suppose so.
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The K12ltsp wiki had a lot of good docs, I thought, but it was/is a mess, no order
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<sbalneav>
That;s the problem with wiki's
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<petre>
warren, I think the Fedora section was just lifted from the k12linux website/wiki
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<sbalneav>
unless you have a "someone" who will make it their full time job to keep it organized, they quickly degrade into a mess.
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<petre>
sbalneav, can you see who wrote what in the manual?
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or when?
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isn't stuff managed via bzr?
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<sbalneav>
I could look through the revision history, but David Van Assche added a bunch of stuff that he said he got from "a bunch of places", and he didn't note if it was him who put it together, or someone else.
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<petre>
oh, right, I remember hearing something about that
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<sbalneav>
so unless someone puts in the revision history who they accepted a contribution from, then it's simply been added by the person who pushed it upstream.
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<sbalneav>
warren: Still about?
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<alkisg>
sbalneav, some things like LDM_SERVER, LDM_RUNONCE, ENCRYPT_SWAP, LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL etc are not documented, is this on purpose?
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: No, they're not documented because no-one's documented them yet.
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I assume you're volunteering?
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: sure! :) As much as I can figure out what they do by looking at the sources...
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sbalneav: so, should I just send you some plain-text descriptions? (I hate xml editing! :))
21:41
<sbalneav>
Plain text is fine.
21:41
I'll do the formatting
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: ok, thanks!
21:41
<sbalneav>
Generally ANYTHING that's not documented isn't undocumented on purpose :)
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<alkisg>
Heh... I thought some of them were just experiments,
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or not ready yet to be documented (because they're not heavily tested, or they're there for developers only...)
21:42* sbalneav shrugs
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<alkisg>
E.g. LDM_RUNONCE => I think stgraber put it there for ltsp cluster
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<sbalneav>
Most of last week I spent on trying to impose some order/structure on the docs.
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<stgraber>
alkisg: this one not longer exists
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*no
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<alkisg>
and you did a very good job with it!
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stgraber, I think it does... (at least on intrepid)
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stgraber, I'll look at the trunk sources for anything I see
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<stgraber>
alkisg: I removed it from trunk yesterday or the day before
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<alkisg>
stgraber, heh, OK :)
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<sbalneav>
I'm out on the road to Northern Manitoba next week, with some time on my hands in the evening, and the possibility of no internet access in the evenings, so I was going to go through the source and add anything I didn't see, but if you want that task, that will free me to spend more time documenting some of the intro section.
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<alkisg>
sbalneav, I'm sure you'll do a better job than me at this. I was just offering to do it if no one else would...
21:47
You're more familiar with the sources, the documentation and the english language.... :)
21:47
<sbalneav>
Well, that's debatable on all three counts :)
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<alkisg>
Heh... well, I think we may settle it this way: you look whatever you can while on the trip, and when you get back, I'll look for things you may have missed...
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<sbalneav>
ok
21:49
deal.
21:49* alkisg shakes hands with sbalneav
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<alkisg>
OK.... good night! :)
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<sbalneav>
Night.
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<sbalneav>
So, I've got one of these dingus's, and I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread:
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http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Vantec_NexStar_HDD_Dock/index.shtml
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It's this white brick that sits on your desktop. It's got a sata connector in it, and USB out the other end.
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Now, if I want to back up the disk, I just take a sata disk out of the static bag, drop it in, do the needful, and pop it back in the bag.
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<sbalneav>
handy little thing
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<nothingman>
hi, all
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<nothingman>
I'm not getting anything when I log into my edubuntu server from a graphical login screen; just a black screen with the arrow cursor; I also can't seem to add users from the users-admin screen, though my user is the only one I've added so far
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<Ahmuck>
#edubuntu
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<warren>
sbalneav: ?
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<nothingman>
I also have my edubuntu ltsp server here at home to troubleshoot before I bring it back to the school tomorrow, but no screen to attach to it and the 'net-side interface is a wireless one set to connect to the school's AP; can I ssh into the terminal-side interface if it's connected to my router?
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<sbalneav>
warren: Was wondering if you'd be willing to look over the docs and render an opinion on the fedora section.
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<warren>
sbalneav: I'll try to get to that this week
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<warren>
sbalneav: why now in particular?
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<sbalneav>
I've done the bulk of the "organization", I'm now beginning to dig into the content again, and make sure it's accurate.
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<Gadi_eeepc>
evening, all
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<sbalneav>
Evening Gadi_eeepc
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<Gadi_eeepc>
so, I've been poking at this xrandr script toonight
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dont suppose anyone here would like to give me a second set of eyes?
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi_eeepc" pasted "xrandr script for xinitrc.d" (63 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/110
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<Gadi_eeepc>
don't all jump at once
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:)
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<sbalneav>
So, is it working for you, Gadi_eeepc?
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<Gadi_eeepc>
well, yeah - but this is one of them scripts that can be tested every which way
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:)
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I need to put it thru some paces, I sppose
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I am hoping to eliminate configure-x.sh with this
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<Ahmuck>
is ssh enabled by default on the termside nic, or no
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<Gadi_eeepc>
(for the most part)
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Ahmuck: ssh *server*?
22:30
on the server, you mean?
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<sbalneav>
Gadi_eeepc: I'm helping them in #edubuntu
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<Gadi_eeepc>
them?
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<sbalneav>
So, what eeepc have you got there, gadi-sage? Same one as in the hackfest?
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Ahmuck
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<Ahmuck>
Gadi_eeepc: sorry, the response was not 4 u
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<Gadi_eeepc>
yup
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now powered by intrepid ;)
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck's asking on behalf of someone else.
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<Gadi_eeepc>
ah, ok
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nm
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:)
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<sbalneav>
so, where would I get myself one of these little dinguses?
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<Ahmuck>
u want one?
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<Gadi_eeepc>
well, eeepc is made by asus
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but, there are lots of competitors these days
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<sbalneav>
The one gadi had seemed nice.
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full size keyboard, nice and small
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<Gadi_eeepc>
mine's not full size keyboard
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ur thinking of stgraber's
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his is slightly larger than mine
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the 10" (mine is 9")
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but, Ive got lil fingers ;)
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<sbalneav>
I've got fat fingers
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<Gadi_eeepc>
so, it only looks full size
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<sbalneav>
to match the rest of me :)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
:D
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hehe
22:34
I love this thing
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<sbalneav>
So.... any pointers?
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on where to buy?
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<Gadi_eeepc>
I have a launcher on my desktop to connect via bluetooth to my cell phone and use it as a modem
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:D
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work from anywhere
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love it
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hmm...
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tey call these things netbooks
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so, wherever you buy stuff in canada
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like laptops
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they call them nettops, too
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I think I got mine from amazoon
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*amazon
22:37
word on the street is the PC manu's are slashing prices to salvage a laackluster fourth quarter
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so, you may find some good deals this month and next
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stgraber: you here?
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<sbalneav>
ah, the 1000hd
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<dberkholz>
i'm using my new eee 1000 too.
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the 9" just wasn't big enough for my fat fingers either, lucky Gadi_eeepc.
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<Gadi_eeepc>
hehe
22:39
small is beautiful
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or so the bumper sticker reads
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hmm...
22:40* Gadi_eeepc considers adding the --dpi param
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<Gadi_eeepc>
yeah, I should...
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done
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so, X_COLOR_DEPTH is taken care of already as an X server arg, and this cover X_MODE_0 and such
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I am thinking forcing a config can be limited to driver change, sync frequency forcing, and other such forced things
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but, for setting color depth, mode, res, dpi, orientation - standard stuff, we can go conf-less
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