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Channel log from 25 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

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07:08
<gnunux>
hi
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08:12
<fossala>
localdev isn't working on my thin client (debian squeeze). I have added the user to fuse and put "LOCAL_DEV=True" in my lts.conf
08:13
s/LOCAL_DEV/LOCALDEV
08:19
I'm using LXDE could it be a problem with pcmanfm?
08:23
It's mounting it in /media/$USER just not showing it in the sidepane
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10:07
<vmassuchetto>
I would like to set the screensaver time for a kiosk mode. How can I do it?
10:14
<Hyperbyte>
Screensaver time I don't know, but you can set X_BLANKING=N in lts.conf to turn off the screen after N seconds.
10:14
... N seconds of idle.
10:38
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, well... I've put an `exit 1` in the dpms xinit script
10:38
Hyperbyte, thanks.
10:45
<andygraybeal>
morning Hyperbyte
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11:09
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy. :) How's the restaurant business going?
11:11
<andygraybeal>
good man.
11:12
it's always busy.
11:12
i'm doing a knife workshop for 60 people on wednesday.
11:12
they are splitting up into groups of 30.
11:12
i have 30 knives waiting :)
11:13
and i need to write an outline
11:19
Hyperbyte, what business are you in ?
11:20
<Ghidorah>
Good morning everyone.
11:20
<andygraybeal>
hi Ghidorah :)
11:27
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Ghidorah :)
11:28
I work at a touroperator for disabled people. We organize group vacations (with travel companions) for people a mental or physical disability, throughout Europe. We have a few destinations outside Europe even.
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11:39
<andygraybeal>
wow Hyperbyte, that sounds interesting!
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11:47
<Hyperbyte>
It is :)
11:47
<andygraybeal>
so you have 7 machines in your office?
11:47
how big is your workforce?
11:56
<Ghidorah>
Does anyone use iTalc here?
11:58
If so, what is the difference between ica and ica-launcher?
12:04
<Hyperbyte>
Andy, we have 10 thin clients in the office, but 7 paid office workers (including me)... we also have about 650 volunteers, and another 20 or so professional (paid) travel companions
12:05
We also have a travel company, which organises the transport for our groups. Basically it's the same company, but we do it under a different flag because that's easier due to all kinds of regulations imposed on transport companies
12:06
Anyway, for the transport company we have about 20 drivers working.
12:07
We can keep the amount of office workers we need to a bare minimum, due to lots of things being automated. :)
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12:13
<andygraybeal>
wow, 650 volunteers.. omg that is a lot.
12:13
<Hyperbyte>
Well, we need them, to accompany our clients on their vacations. :)
12:14
<andygraybeal>
No, I understand, i wasn't saying anything negetive.
12:14
<Hyperbyte>
I didn't think you were, just explaining. =)
12:14
<andygraybeal>
that sounds like a great thing to be a part of.
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, it's okay... what I like most is the company's vision to rely heavily on automating things. There is more work done behind-the-scenes by our servers than by our employees. :)
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<andygraybeal>
yea, that sounds like fun.
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13:15
<vmassuchetto>
If I fix the address of a client, it can't boot over the network. What's wrong?
13:17
<Hyperbyte>
How did you fix the address?
13:18
And what's the error message you get?
13:18
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, using dhcpd.conf
13:18
This HOWTO says something about the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file. Is this the correct file!?
13:19
My dhcp serever is not the same of LTSP.
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<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, on boot, it simply can't find the server.
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<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, I guess it's because the PXE boot and the clients ips are in different ranges.
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13:26
<Ghidorah>
what are the ranges?
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13:32
<vmassuchetto>
Ghidorah, 192.168.0.239 for dhcp clients, and > 240 for ltsp
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13:33
<Ghidorah>
dhcp all via 1 DHCP server?
13:36
<vmassuchetto>
Ghidorah, yes
13:36
Ghidorah, what parameters do I need to set for each host? I've set the root-path in the group, fro example, but it seems it can't get it.
13:37
<Ghidorah>
Does it put a DHCP address?
13:37
<vmassuchetto>
Ghidorah, on boot? Yes. It's correctly recognizing the host mac address.
13:37
<Ghidorah>
What kinda of DHCP server do you got?
13:38
<vmassuchetto>
Ghidorah, Ubuntu's default one.
13:38
<Ghidorah>
I'm assuming you had a look at this?
13:38
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
13:41
For me, I had to set options 17, 66 and 67
13:41
I also set option 12
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13:59
<Ghidorah>
Anyone know what may cause this error in syslog? nbd9: unknown partition table nbd9: NBD_DISCONNECT
14:01* Hyperbyte shrugs
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
Faulty NBD image?
14:01
<Ghidorah>
*shrug*
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
:)
14:01
<Ghidorah>
everything seeeems to be working
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14:27
<TheMatrix3000>
flush taking up 100% cpu would be a non ltsp issue right
14:28
even though its on our ltsp server
14:28
and it only happens on our ltsp server
14:34
<Ghidorah>
Anyone have any recommendations on NBD_SWAP and LTSP-Cluster?
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15:39
<alkisg>
<Ghidorah> Anyone know what may cause this error in syslog? nbd9: unknown partition table nbd9: NBD_DISCONNECT
15:39
==> it's normal, it's how LDM checks for a newer version of the nbd disk, to offer to reboot the client
15:41
Hyperbyte: in the logs, the "time" and "username" boxes would be better with valign=top, now on long lines one the username might be displayed one line lower than what the user says...
15:41
...and hi all :)
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16:31
<Ghidorah>
Thanks for the info alkisg!
16:43
<Hyperbyte>
Heya Alkis. :)
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18:13* Hyperbyte burns a candle
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18:52
<Ghidorah>
Has anyone done any theming for LDM? I currently have the default theme enabled. There appears to be this "artifact" in the to the lower left of the login screen.
18:52
It almost looks like a resize window icon
18:55
<abeehc>
yeah i made mine pretty
18:55
<Ghidorah>
Care to share a screenshot?
18:55
<abeehc>
just jacked the existing theme and sent it to my maarketing guy sure one sec
18:58
<Hyperbyte>
Ghidorah, are you sure what you're seeing is not the preferences button?
18:59
<Ghidorah>
That is in the lower left
18:59
What I'm seeing is if the login was a window
18:59
it is showing its resize
19:00
<abeehc>
http://uploadpie.com/MB3T7
19:00
<Ghidorah>
Oh that is nice
19:00
<abeehc>
9.10 mind you
19:01
+ppa
19:01
<Ghidorah>
I like it nonetheless
19:04
<Hyperbyte>
Sexy
19:05
<Ghidorah>
http://uploadpie.com/K5qku
19:05
there is a screenshot of the mystery item
19:06
<abeehc>
yeah that sure looks like the resize thingy..
19:07
i assume it doesn't respond to the mouse?
19:07
<Ghidorah>
It is always there regardless of the resolution
19:07
actually lol
19:07
It is a resize
19:07
I can pull it up and it goes away
19:07
<abeehc>
you put the circle there right?
19:07
<Ghidorah>
yes sir
19:07
<abeehc>
hehew
19:07
i imagine when i finally get to lucid i'll see the sdame thing in that case
19:08
<Ghidorah>
I'm on natty
19:08
I don't think I had this issue with lucid
19:08
<alkisg>
I think natty has the new and redesigned ldm version
19:08
With the plugins etc
19:08
<Ghidorah>
oh
19:08
<alkisg>
Haven't seen that yet
19:10
<Ghidorah>
I wonder if there is any documentation some where
19:10
<alkisg>
For the resize thing? I wouldn't think so...
19:11
For LDM in general, sure, the ltsp docs have some things
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19:14
<vmassuchetto>
X_BLANKING = 0 is not working on clients. They keep blanking the screen after some time.
19:18
<alkisg>
Try ltsp-localapps xterm, and inside that, xset q
19:19
E.g. what you're seeing might be gnome-screensaver instead of dpms
19:20
(you can check if that's what happens by running ps on the server, and looking for screensavers)
19:22
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, It's a kiosk mode using xinit only.
19:22
<alkisg>
!xauthority
19:22
<ltsp>
alkisg: xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=').
19:22
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_02
19:22
<ltsp>
alkisg: SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN.
19:23
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: this is an alternative method, to get a local xterm on kiosks ^
19:23
Or just navigate to file://usr/bin/xterm and run it from firefox :P
19:25
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, I didn't get it quite well....
19:26
alkisg, If I put xset q in one of the init files will it work?
19:26
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: no, what I'm suggesting is that you get a local xterm for troubleshooting
19:27
And as part of that troubleshooting, to run `xset q`, to see if indeed X_BLANKING=0 did turn off dpms
19:27
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, got it.
19:27
<alkisg>
So `xset q` isn't to fix things; it's to see what goes wrong
19:27
And the other thing to check, is to run ps on the server while the client shows a blank screen
19:27
Ah sorry
19:27
Scratch that, kiosk mode, you'd need ps on the client
19:28
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, I coulnd't find any screensaver on the ps list
19:28
<alkisg>
OK better start by installing ssh to the chroot, it'll help with the ps stuff
19:28
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, And it was blank.
19:28
<alkisg>
How did you run ps while it was blank? ssh?
19:28
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, yes.
19:28
<alkisg>
OK, if you already have ssh, then all you need to to is the xauthority part
19:29
I.e. to set display and xauthority within the ssh session, so that you can access the x server
19:30
Can you run `ps -ef > /tmp/file` and upload that file to pastebin?
19:30
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Ok. I've run the export thing there.
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19:30
<alkisg>
It won't work, you'll need to change "ldm" to "firefox" for it to work
19:30
And probably to change to the kiosk user
19:31
Start with the ps to pastebin, so that we have a better idea of what's running there
19:32
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Here's the `ps -ef`: http://pastebin.com/dBShAwiX
19:33
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: no, that's from your server
19:33
The one from the client is needed
19:33
Where firefox etc is running
19:33
ssh to the client and run ps there
19:34
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, oh... ok... sorry.
19:36
alkisg, There it is: http://pastebin.com/WqLWWvLf
19:39
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: just curious, do you have a 5 min lease setting on your dhcp server?
19:40
Also, I don't see sshd running there, so how did you ssh to check the `ps` while the screen was blank?
19:41
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Lease time is 600 seconds.
19:41
alkisg, Sorry again, I'll have to wait for the client to blank the screen so I can go there and run the ps -ef.
19:41
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: that won't work
19:42
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, That one was a local ps -ef.
19:42
<alkisg>
If you go there, the screen will stop blanking
19:42
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, yes... only realized now.
19:42
<alkisg>
You need to access the client from ssh
19:42
vmassuchetto: you can install ssh live if you have enough ram
19:42
From the local terminal, and it will be lost on reboot
19:42
i.e. apt-get update, apt-get install openssh-server etc
19:43
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, I did that now.
19:43
alkisg, I'll wait for the screen to go blank.
19:43
<alkisg>
OK, try to ssh from remote
19:43
And then wait for the screen to become blank
19:43
<vmassuchetto>
It's working
19:43
<alkisg>
Also please file a bug about the defunct udhcpc that you have in your ps list
19:43
In ltsp
19:43
(not in udhcpc)
19:45
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, maybe it goes away on reboot. I'll take a look.
19:45
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: it does go away on reboot, but it's a problem in the udhcpc script that you get defunct processes of it
19:45
That udhcpc script is part of the ltsp code, we need to fix it
19:46
And the bug will serve as a reminder
19:46
<Hyperbyte>
Hm...
19:47
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, nice.
19:52
alkisg, Here's the `ps -ef` from the blanked screen on client via ssh: http://pastebin.com/5P4PAXz6
19:55
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: hmm I don't see a xauthority in the X command line, while I00-xauth should have set one
19:55
Which ubuntu version did you say you're using?
19:56
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, It's the 11.04
19:56
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: ok... try this, see if it works:
19:57
su bertanha
19:57
export DISPLAY=:7
19:57
xrandr
19:57
Do you get normal output from xrandr, or X errors?
19:57
All that from ssh
19:59
<vmassuchetto>
Well, there's a listing with some screen sizes.
20:00
<alkisg>
Nice. Now, run: xset q
20:00
And put the output to pastebin
20:00
(e.g. xset q > /tmp/output)
20:00
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, ok
20:01
alkisg, Here you go: http://pastebin.com/tVX7uCjR
20:02
<alkisg>
timeout:  600  
20:02
That means that your screensaver gets fired after 10 mins
20:03
That also means that the scripts in xinitrc.d weren't fired
20:03
That's why you had no xauthority, and that's why X_BLANKING didn't work
20:03
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, ok. Wait some...
20:03
alkisg, Did i say that i modified that script?
20:03
=D
20:03
<alkisg>
Nope
20:03
:)
20:03
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, im sorry.
20:03
alkisg, I modified the dpms launch in xinitrc.d
20:04
alkisg, That was last week.
20:04
<alkisg>
OK, paste the script you have now
20:05
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Its the original one. I just commented it out.
20:05
<alkisg>
Erm... you commented out the X_BLANKING code, and you were wondering why it doesn't run? :O
20:05
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, something like this.
20:06
alkisg, in my mind I uncommented it.
20:06
alkisg, before coming here complaining.
20:06
<alkisg>
OK sorry but this was 1 wasted hour for me :-/
20:06
Anyway, glad you solved your problem
20:07
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Dont say that
20:07
alkisg, im really glad for your help
20:07
alkisg, oh... wait wait...
20:07
alkisg, it was uncomented
20:08
<alkisg>
I think you changed other things too
20:08
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, the I10-dpms file
20:08
<alkisg>
And none of the scripts in xinitrc.d directory were run
20:08
1000      1933  1904  0 16:38 tty7     00:00:00 xinit /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession /home/bertanha/erp/local/cnc/daemon.sh -- :7 vt7 -br
20:09
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, I modified that line to launch the custom application
20:09
<alkisg>
xinitrc runs all the scripts in /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d
20:09
<vmassuchetto>
As we're not running Firefox.
20:09
So i think that's the problem.
20:09
<alkisg>
So if you modified it to not run them, that's your problem
20:10
You just broke the ltsp code, it wasn't broken before
20:10
You can set the executable you want to run instead of firefox from lts.conf
20:10
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Instead of running Firefox I've put another app there.
20:10
alkisg, maybe I forgot something.
20:11
<alkisg>
Don't change the code for that. Just put your app in lts.conf
20:11
Because now we're just troubleshooting *your* scripts, not the ltsp scripts
20:11
And I don't even have the modified code :)
20:12
<vmassuchetto>
Ok. What's right way of doing it.
20:12
I remember coming here to do this, and I was told to modify that line.
20:12
<alkisg>
Set KIOSK_EXE in lts.conf
20:13
And KIOSK_OPTIONS, if you need them
20:14
But please, before coming here again to ask more questions, either (1) put all the ltsp code back as it was, or (2) say that you modified it so that people trying to help you know that
20:14
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Sure. Thanks.
20:14
<alkisg>
You're welcome
20:15
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, I mean. Many thanks. =D
20:15
<alkisg>
:)
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20:32
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Couldn't find documentation about KIOSK_EXE
20:32
alkisg, and when I set it, X complains about the -config parameter
20:46
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: yeah unfortunately most people don't write documentation
20:46
About the -config parameter, I suspect that the kiosk plugin has bugs
20:46
It needs proper troubleshooting
20:46
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, So if I remember well, that's exactly why I modified that line
20:46
<alkisg>
I.e. it uses a config file without being instructed to do so or something
20:47
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, How can i manually run the xinitrc.d scripts, then?
20:47
<alkisg>
Well, the proper way is to start by helping solve the bug
20:47
Not by just changing it to something that might work for you
20:48
(and might also break xinitrc.d ;))
20:48
After the bug is solved, you just set KIOSK_EXE
20:48
And then, you document it in the wiki or something :)
20:48
It's a community... it's how it works - otherwise it just doesn't wokr
20:48
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, That's a really good point, actually.
20:49
alkisg, But I'm sure that's not what my boss will think about. =/
20:49
<alkisg>
OK, follow your alternatives then
20:52
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, wait, I'm confused.
20:52
You are running open source software at your company, but your boss doesn't believe he should invest in open source software?
20:55
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, that's nothing new.
20:55
<Hyperbyte>
That's strange.
20:56
<vmassuchetto>
Sure it is.
20:56
<Hyperbyte>
I would even go as far as to call it misguided.
20:56
You need to educate him man.
20:56
Right now you're spending lots of time hacking LTSP, so that it works for you.
20:56
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, don't worry about that. I'm certainly doing it.
20:56
<Hyperbyte>
While you could be spending a little time providing a good bug report, and motivating people like Alkis to fix the bug, perhaps even by contributing yourself...
20:57
This would mean less work for you, which is good for your boss. And a better LTSP product, which is good for your boss' company and all of us.
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<Hyperbyte>
The whole idea behind FLOSS is to create win-win situations like this, by helping eachother. Not hacking something so it works for you and then leave it at that. Plus if the LTSP kiosk mode is fixed, it'll be a hell lot cheaper for your boss when it's time to upgrade your system.
20:59
More win! :)
21:00
<vmassuchetto>
You're damn right, and I'm really motivated about filling a bug report. But if the stations don't work tomorrow, how can I prove free software is a cool thing?
21:00
Hyperbyte, they're far from understanding what's a "bug".
21:00
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, how come your company depends on an open source solution that hasn't been made ready for deployment by you yet?
21:01
Or did you upgrade? :)
21:02
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, because I wanted to do so. Otherwise they would have bought some MS Terminal Server.
21:02
Everything has a start.
21:02
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: I understand about your boss etc, even if the cost to pay some dev to solve the bug would still be less than the ms terminal server license
21:02
What I don't like is this:
21:03
if you just use ltsp it's ok to not contribute back (my opinion). If you seek help and people give your their time, you have to contribute back
21:03
Personally. Not because of your job or boss.
21:04
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, I would say I'm not ok with both positions.
21:05
<alkisg>
But anyway do what you have to do. Just warn people first, so that they only help if they're ok with that.
21:05
<abeehc>
no doubt
21:05
<alkisg>
E.g. I also didn't like that I had to troubleshoot customized versions of the scripts
21:06
It felt like cheating
21:07
<Ghidorah>
alkisg: what is the best way to contribute back to the LTSP project?
21:07
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: I'm not sure. Personally I contributed docs, spreading it to 250 schools, and later on code + irc help
21:08
<Ghidorah>
You have 250 schools running it there?!
21:08
<alkisg>
E.g. now BTS (the ltsp devs gathering) needs sponsoring. One could help there.
21:08
<vmassuchetto>
alkisg, Don't be so dramatic. It wasn't working, so the first thing was to hack something.
21:08
<alkisg>
Or, one could help in documentation, much help is needed there
21:08
Yup
21:08
<vmassuchetto>
I'm sorry I forgot. =/
21:09
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, you're sounding a bit disrespectful to someone voluntary giving their private free time to help you with something.
21:09
<alkisg>
vmassuchetto: I'm glad to give my time to help people that need ltsp help. But I want to know beforehand what I'm helping in. I'm not interested in helping all cases.
21:09
<vmassuchetto>
The problem now I thing it's with the X_ARGS var. It puts the -config param with the Xorg file.
21:09
<alkisg>
So no, I wouldn't help you if I knew that you had modified versions of the scripts
21:09
<Ghidorah>
Is there a donatation page for BTS?
21:10
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, you realize it's past midnight where Alkis lives, and even though I'm sure he has better things to do, he's still here helping you? Give him some credit man, he can be dramatic if he feels the need.
21:10
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: that's as far as I know: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
21:10
Anyway, good night all :)
21:10
<Hyperbyte>
Oh hey Alkis!
21:11
How's your UDS sponsorship going?
21:11
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, I thought I said I was really thankfull, and that I' sorry for mistakes.
21:11
<Ghidorah>
Good night alksig, thanks for the link.
21:11
<vmassuchetto>
Night. =D
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I think the results will be published next month
21:11
Late augoust
21:11
<Hyperbyte>
I thought UDS was in august?
21:11
No, october...
21:12
<alkisg>
Yeah, and LTSP BTS is right before that
21:12
<Hyperbyte>
=)
21:12* alkisg waves
21:12* Hyperbyte keeps fingers crossed
21:12
<Hyperbyte>
G'night. :)
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21:13
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, you're trying with Ubuntu 11.04, right? Natty?
21:13
<Ghidorah>
mmm Natty
21:14
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, yes.
21:14
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, what steps did you take and when did you run into problems? Because I tried recently to get kiosk mode working, without any success.
21:15
Don't need kiosk mode, but I wanted to try after seeing several people in the chat say it doesn't work.
21:15
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, I'm filling the bug report. Maybe that helps.
21:15
<Hyperbyte>
Ah... paste link when done. :) Curious to read it.
21:16
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, have to get back the Launchpad password. =/
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21:17
<Ghidorah>
This evil resize thing is going to drive me insane.
21:19
<abeehc>
just as an asthetic thing it's driving you insane? or did i miss something where it causes a probloem?
21:19
<Ghidorah>
purely asthetic
21:19
<abeehc>
hehe
21:19
<Ghidorah>
ocd kicks in
21:19
<abeehc>
I imagine it relates to different resolution monitors maybe? perhaps it's got a legit use
21:20
but you shouldn't spend mucxh time probly the users won
21:20
't complain, will they?
21:20
:)
21:20
<Ghidorah>
someone will
21:20
it never fails.
21:20
<abeehc>
i hear ya
21:21
<Ghidorah>
Working here has verified 3 things in life for me... I must pay taxes, I will die someday, and users will always complain about something.
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21:22
<Hyperbyte>
Ghidorah, the three cardinal rules of working in IT.
21:22
You have to be creative in these things though. ;-)
21:23
<Ghidorah>
Yeah, figure out the problem before school starts again.
21:23
<Hyperbyte>
Recently someone came to me saying that if they started the same program fifteen times their system would become slow. So I said "ah, I'll remedy that."
21:23
Walked away, came back with a post-it with on it "don't start the same program fifteen times."
21:23
:P
21:24
<Ghidorah>
lol
21:24
<Hyperbyte>
I'll have a look tomorrow, running Natty too, with lots of different solutions
21:25
Haven't seen the resize thingy yet, but I don't run a pure white background.
21:25
<Ghidorah>
I have the Revolution Linux PPA
21:25
with their LDM version
21:25
<Hyperbyte>
Ahhh
21:25
<Ghidorah>
since users cannot run unity
21:25
if they'll complain about a resize window I'd hate to hear what unity will do
21:30
<Hyperbyte>
Can you actually resize anything with that?
21:30
Also, did you file a bug report? ;-)
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21:32
<abeehc>
fg
21:32
<Ghidorah>
I'm about to file one with Revolution Linux
21:32
and i'm going to try the LDM daily build
21:32
see if I have any luck
21:36
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, here you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/816139
21:38* Hyperbyte high fives vmassuchetto!
21:39
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, Well... the thing about using a free software you're not experienced with, is that you're charged for things as you don't do anything with any other free software. =/
21:40
*free software community
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21:44
<Hyperbyte>
Charged for things?
21:45
In what way?
21:45
<vmassuchetto>
Well... asking for help costed me a feel free software sermons. =D
21:46
<Hyperbyte>
No it didn't.
21:46
Asking for help with modified version of LTSP did that. ;-)
21:46
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, you saw the modified version in that bug.
21:47
Yeah yeah... but it's still modified.
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21:47
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not sure if those modifications were needed though, you can do lots of stuff via lts.conf options
21:48
<vmassuchetto>
I see. But people right here told me to do that.
21:48* Hyperbyte shrugs
21:49
<Hyperbyte>
Out of curiousity, why are you using kiosk mode? In what kind of environment and why is kiosk mode useful?
21:50
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, there's a production control PyGTK app running in some terminals along the production line.
21:50
<Hyperbyte>
You couldn't just use regular LTSP login for that?
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21:51
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, we wanted to limit things. So that's just an app that deals with the authentication and manufacturing registration.
21:52
Hyperbyte, anyway, according to what's written in the bug, do you imagine any way of letting X_BLANKING work?
21:53
<Hyperbyte>
X_BLANKING works by default on Natty, for me anyways.
21:53
Not sure about kiosk mode though.
21:53
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, I had to remove the X_ARGS var. Maybe it's because of that.
21:54
<Hyperbyte>
Probably.
21:54
<vmassuchetto>
So, what I'm trying is to run some `xset` in this xinit launch line
21:56
<Hyperbyte>
See /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I10-dpms
21:56
That script is ran on LTSP startup. Which means that xset is run on startup already, and set with the value you specified.
21:57
Most likely it's being overriden (changed after LTSP has started up) somehow
21:58
For example, if you configure DPMS blanking in Gnome, it'll override the X_BLANKING as soon as the user logs in, because Gnome will do an xset dpms with it's own configured value
21:58
Or at least that's how I understand it.
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<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, got things working here. Time to go home.
22:11
Hyperbyte, thanks for the help.
22:12
<Hyperbyte>
vmassuchetto, what'd you do to fix this?
22:12
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, forced the options I needed on xinitrc.d/I10-dpms script
22:12
<Hyperbyte>
Which were?
22:13
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, most probably because the X_ARGS things, X_BLANKING wasnt set there.
22:13
<Hyperbyte>
I doubt it.
22:13
<vmassuchetto>
xset s off and xset -dpms
22:13
<Hyperbyte>
Check getltscfg -a on a client
22:13
It'll show you what config options from lts.conf are read
22:14
Also, report this information in the bug. :)
22:14
(about the blanking)
22:15
<vmassuchetto>
X_BLANKING is set there, but the scripts was being ran, but the logic there wasn't being followed.
22:16
Hyperbyte, oh.. wait...
22:16
Is it right? [ "${X_BLANKING}" = "0" ]
22:16
<Hyperbyte>
Where's that from?
22:17
Oh, X_BLANKING works for me on Natty, so that line must be right yes.
22:17
<vmassuchetto>
/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I10-dpms file
22:17
<Hyperbyte>
I think you're messing up your LTSP client by too much hacking
22:18
But that's just me.
22:19
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, Running find -mtime I can only see this file.
22:19
Hyperbyte, don't know If i changed anything else.
22:21
<Hyperbyte>
I would've tried to fix X_ARGS rather than remove it
22:21
But hey man, it's all good.
22:21
And it's 12:21 AM here, which is as good a time to sleep as any.
22:21
Talk to you later. :)
22:21
<vmassuchetto>
Hyperbyte, nice. Thanks..
22:21
It's late here too.
22:21
See ya
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