IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 14 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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01:26
<joulez>
hi, is there any benefit installing a fast gpu on the server?
01:29
<dead_inside>
i doubt it… but honestly never tried
01:30
<joulez>
we have 3 users on a dell 1850 and cpu climbs with scaling an image in real time (kde4 heh).
01:31
just upgraded to squeeze..so kde4 is pretty intense :)
01:32
guess we need a gigbit+ net too.
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04:13
<joulez>
hi, managed to improve performance a bit messing with X options...I wonder if ultimately NX over ltsp would be better.
04:13
<alkisg>
!directx
04:13
<ltsp>
directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
04:14
<joulez>
!nx
04:14
<ltsp>
nx: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX or http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX
04:15
<joulez>
heh
04:17
<alkisg>
nx is better over dsl lines, remote X (ltsp) on lan
04:18
<joulez>
ic
04:20
youtube destroys
04:20
<alkisg>
!flash
04:20
<ltsp>
flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
04:21
<joulez>
in regards to cpu and bandwidth.
04:22
<alkisg>
If your clients are good enough, localapps or ltsp fat clients solve that problem
04:23
<joulez>
server plays better than the clients :)
04:23
<alkisg>
Usually 512+ RAM in the clients means they're good enough to have firefox+flash as a localapp
04:24
Localapps don't waste any server CPU at all, and only a bit of bandwidth
04:24
(e.g. 1 mpbs instead of 100 mbps)
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04:35
<joulez>
as long as they are low res videos sure.
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05:41
<mrcarrot>
I wish localapps would be that bad... but sadly they are not.
05:42
I have still to solve how to get flash to run smoothly on debian squeeze. In some way when running FF+flash as localapp, the sound is still several seconds late.
05:42
Like totally out of sync.
05:42
Sorry, actually, the picture is late, I meant.
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05:44
<alkisg>
I think debian has some issues with pulse/alsa sync, while they're solved in ubuntu...
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07:28
<cyberorg>
alkisg, distro with epoptes+ltsp integration :) http://lizards.opensuse.org/2012/09/14/announcing-the-release-of-opensuse-edu-li-f-e-12-2/
07:28
<alkisg>
Very nice cyberorg, thanks! :)
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07:36
<cyberorg>
alkisg, create live fat stick and give it a test ride, cant match ubuntu for resource requirement and boot speed but otherwise everything is good
07:44
<ogra_>
your bootspeed will surely increase once suse switched fully to systemd :P
07:44
(have fun porting ltsp to that *grin*)
07:47
<Hyperbyte>
ogra_, actually, I believe vagrantc said porting LTSP to systemd would be very easy, since most of the LTSP stuff runs -before- init.
07:48
<ogra_>
depends if suse decides to use systemd in initrd :)
07:49
ubuntu will soon move to upstart in init5d because it will speed up booting massively
07:49
i woudl suspect the systemd distros will go the same path
07:50
<cyberorg>
ogra_, systemd is compatible with sysvinit scripts, some automatic conversion happens so ltsp init script runs as systemd on 12.2
07:50
suse uses systemd in initrd as well
07:51
<ogra_>
ah, like upstart then, i only heard it isnt fully sysv compatible
07:52
<cyberorg>
installed system with dracut initrd is somewhat faster than default initrd
07:52
<knipwim>
cyberorg: you use dracut for nfs booting or nbd?
07:53
<cyberorg>
knipwim, not for ltsp, for that we use kiwi's initrd, we do have too many different initrd tools :)
07:54
http://blog.crozat.net/2012/07/my-hackweek8-project-dracut.html
07:56
boot in 2 seconds anyone? http://lizards.opensuse.org/2012/07/31/optimizing-a-boot-time-aka-2-second-boot-part-2/
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08:00
<ogra_>
pfft ... to console
08:01
<cyberorg>
:)
08:01
<ogra_>
even my ubuntu oneiric install was capable of doing that (on SSD)
08:01
<cyberorg>
that is why i say i am impressed with ubuntu's boot speed
08:04
<ogra_>
booting to gdm in 8 secs http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/osiris-lucid-20100311-3.png
08:04
;)
08:04
two years ago :)
08:05
<cyberorg>
all i have to do is turn on monitor, 1 sec to desktop ;)
08:05
<ogra_>
sadly it degraded and will need some love in the next few releases
08:05
but the switch to upstart in initrd will solve that ;)
08:06
<cyberorg>
why not try dracut?
08:06
<ogra_>
would require too many changes ... we use what debian uses
08:07
everything making any use of initrd stuff is written for initramfs-tools, you would have to port the world
08:07
i doubt ubuntu has the spare manpower to do that without debian going first
08:07
<cyberorg>
ogra_, not really, dracut already has the world ported
08:08
<ogra_>
you mean it would magically fix all debian packages to be moved from initramfs-tools scripts to dracut ?
08:08
heh
08:08
<cyberorg>
someday suse might switch to it
08:08
<ogra_>
there are thousands of packages that install initramfs-tools hooks and scripts
08:09
all of them have to be touched, tested and fixed
08:09
moving to upstart (until we were confident its good enough as default) took us 4 years
08:10
<cyberorg>
dracut's approach is slightly different, initrd's task is to mount root and switch to it as quickly as possible, rest is taken care by the system image
08:10
<ogra_>
(upstart was introduced in 2006 and we only switched away from its sysv mode in 2010)
08:11
right, ubuntu has a policy that this initrd will still do exactly what you say if you replace all HW in your computer
08:11
<cyberorg>
yeah there is a big discussion about dropping sysvinit support in upcoming release, with strong sentiments on both sides :)
08:11
<ogra_>
would dracut cover that case ?
08:11
(general purpose initrd)
08:11
<cyberorg>
yes, dracut has host only mode as well general purpose mode
08:12
<ogra_>
ah, nice
08:12
but i doubt you will see such a move in the near future in debian or ubuntu
08:13
like you wont see either of them using systemd
08:13
(as a default)
08:13
<cyberorg>
btw, don't know much about dracut except that i tested it and everything "just worked" dracut /boot/dracutinitrd and added additional section in grub to use
08:13
<ogra_>
or dropping /usr
08:14
<cyberorg>
ogra_, never? may be someday someone at debian may look at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html :)
08:15
<ogra_>
near future :)
08:15
there are enmough "why's" to not switch
08:15
you wont see systemd used on servers for quite some time still
08:16
<cyberorg>
i have high hopes for dracut though, that will make ltsp generic enough across distros
08:17
<ogra_>
i have high hopes for upstart in initrd, that will make ltsp extremely fast :)
08:20
<vlt>
Hello. On LTSP we are switching from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 LTS now. When the client boots it fills ~950 MB of RAM (including nbd_swap) with something. Any idea how to find out what uses this much memory and how to prevent this?
08:20
<ogra_>
htop should be able to show you what uses the ram
08:21
(in a more accurate way than top)
08:21
s/accurate/readable/
08:21
if its nbd swap thats filled you likely want to run it as a localapp on the client
08:29
<vlt>
ogra_: Here's a top output first: http://pastebin.com/fsiCAAte
08:29
ogra_: What do I want to run as localapp?
08:37
<ogra_>
you should sort by mem
08:37
(hit shift+m)
08:38
<vlt>
ogra_: This is "top -n1"
08:38* vlt will try to find out how to sort by mem on cmd line
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08:42
<vlt>
ogra_: Don't know how to sort by mem but I can see (even without sorting) that the max value is 0.7 (top itself) and then 0.4 (Xorg).
08:42
0.7 % even
08:43
<ogra_>
well, it defaults to CPU sorting ... if you haver a process not using much CPU but all your ram it might not be shows
08:43
*shown
08:43
<vlt>
ogra_: I think these are ALL processes
08:51
ogra_: I made a list of all processes with "ps axwuf": http://suez.musketa.de/ps.bz2
08:53
ogra_: Ok, stop ... I'll examine /etc/rc.local first ...
08:53
<ogra_>
rc.local ??
08:53
should be empty by default
08:53
<vlt>
ogra_: There are thousands of rc.local forks.
08:54
ogra_: Found it: /etc/rc.local calls /etc/rc.local
08:54
nfc why
08:55
<ogra_>
ouch
08:55
it should only have exit 0 in it by default
08:55
and some comments at the top
08:57
<vlt>
/etc/rc.local in the chroot environment is ok: Only "exit 0"
08:57
Do you know what could overwrite that file on the client?
08:58
<ogra_>
nope, probably alkisg does
08:58
<alkisg>
RC_FILEx in lts.conf adds commands to rc.local
08:59* alkisg hasn't read the discussion so far...
08:59
<ogra_>
alkisg, seems /etc/rc.local on the client has a call to /etc/rc.local in it
08:59
so it recursively starts itself in a loop intol nbd swap is filled
08:59
<alkisg>
If lts.conf has RCFILE_0=/etc/rc.local... :)
08:59
<ogra_>
*until
09:00
heh, yeah
09:00* vlt checks
09:02
<vlt>
alkisg, ogra_: WTF? My lts.conf indeed has RCFILE_01=/etc/rc.local. Don't know why. Is this needed in older systems?
09:02
<alkisg>
Maybe, not sure
09:02
Just remove it :)
09:03
<ogra_>
did you use ltsp4 before ?
09:03
you should definitely not use an lts.conf from it on ltsp5
09:03
<vlt>
ogra_: We came from Ubuntu 06.06 LTS all the way ...
09:03
<ogra_>
ah
09:03
i dont think 6.06 even knew about the RCFILE_0 option
09:04
<vlt>
ogra_: Yeah, but maybe in 08.04 or 10.04 we/someone added it for some strange reason. We'll remove it and try. Thanks.
09:04
alkisg: Thanks.
09:04
<alkisg>
yw
09:04
<ogra_>
:)
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09:37
<mealstrom>
oh... ubuntu 6.06 .. sound like we came from past.. i can just say wow :D
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10:16
<muppis>
Still having an issue with jetpipe in 10.04, so I wonder coudl I replace it with a newer one (if there's any) or replace it with USB/IP ?
10:28
<ogra_>
what kind of problems =
10:28
?
10:28
<muppis>
jetpipe just dies.
10:29
After restart works few hours, maybe days, and then dies again.
10:30* ogra_ isnt sure there changed much between 12.04 and 12.04 in jetpipe
10:30
<ogra_>
err
10:30
10.04 and 12.04
10:30
<muppis>
Just checked, nothing has changed.
10:32
<ogra_>
right
10:33
i would suspect it eats memory over time and then the kernel kills it with OOM ... you should try to monitor that
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14:44
<ltspuser_52>
Hello everyone, I am looking to deploy a training area for our Ubuntu users and was thinking LTSP might be the answer. What I want is for those being trained to be able to connect to an ubuntu desktop via Thin Client to play around and learn. Is this the right product?
14:48
<alexc123>
Hi ltspuser_52, sounds like it will be the right product for you.
14:49
<ltspuser_52>
great, does it actually give the thin client user a full desktop to work on?
14:49
<alexc123>
Yes it does.
14:49
<ltspuser_52>
great, and finally is there any way to make them stateless? e.g. user logs in, changes settings etc then when they log off it is reset?
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14:51
<alexc123>
yes, it is partially stateless as is, but user specific settings will be saved (docs, background, etc ...) it is possible to make it completely "stateless" or unchangeable by the users
14:51
<ltspuser_52>
excellent, will download and try it out. Thanks for the advice
14:52
<alexc123>
glad to help.
14:52
<knipwim>
alexc123: maybe a demo video is a good idea
14:52
disklessworkstations has some tutorials
14:52
but no real demo video, showing all ltsp features
14:52
<alexc123>
knipwim: videos are always a good idea! demo video or client booting?
14:52
yeah those videos are more technical introductions & tutorials ... not "sales / mkt" type video
14:53
<knipwim>
i mean a sales video indeed
14:53
<alexc123>
knipwim: did you see the nepal success story?
14:53
<knipwim>
show how a pentium 3 without a harddrive boots unity
14:53* knipwim looking
14:54
<knipwim>
wow! 19!
14:55
<alexc123>
those are the stories i'm looking for! need more!
14:55
<ltspuser_52>
I'll take a look at some of those stoies too, thanks again
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<knipwim>
supercool
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15:14
<alkisg_zotac>
highvoltage, stgraber: <=== ;)
15:14
Really cool!!!
15:16
<stgraber>
alkisg_zotac: ?
15:16
<alkisg_zotac>
Got it yesterday
15:17
(the tablet)
15:18
I'm trying external keyboard/mouse, they're working but have some stick ykeys
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15:19
<alkisg_zatab>
Whoops :)
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15:20
<alexc123>
hehe alkisg_zatab ... zotac vs zatab very different
15:21
<ogra_>
nah, cant be, they both start with z
15:21
<alkisg_zatab>
(and both were unknown words for me till today :D)
15:21
<ogra_>
alkisg_zatab, so you got yours
15:21
(GRRR)
15:21
<alkisg_zatab>
stgraber, ogra_, did anyone manage to boot ubuntu into this yet?
15:21
Haha
15:22
<ogra_>
german customs didnt give me mine ...
15:22
they want the invoice
15:22
<alkisg_zatab>
Customs in greece needed the money so they were fast with it :P
15:22
<ogra_>
haha
15:22
<alkisg_zatab>
(nah no money involved)
15:22
<alexc123>
haha
15:22
<ogra_>
i could send them money, would they call the germans ?
15:22
<vagrantc>
what's the latest toy y'all are playing with?
15:23
<ogra_>
vagrantc, -> alkisg_zatab
15:23
the zatab apparenly :)
15:23
<stgraber>
alkisg_zatab: I managed to make an image that boots quite successfuly on a pre-prod model, sadly not on ours :)
15:23* vagrantc can't believe someone is forcing vagrantc to use a search engine
15:23
<alkisg_zatab>
:(
15:24
<stgraber>
alkisg_zatab: one of my colleagues suggested that perhaps some model identifier is slightly different between pre-prod and prod and that the only change required would be to add that ID to uboot and the kernel
15:24
but I'm quite busy with other things lately so haven't had the time to look into that yet
15:24
<ogra_>
we'll get it going i'm sure
15:25
<stgraber>
ogra_: yeah, the fact that pre-prod works and prod doesn't when the only known difference (according to Zareason) is a LCD model change means that whatever the problem is, it should be quite small and easy to fix
15:25
<alkisg_zatab>
Meh my browser decided that I don't need a scrollbar so I can't see what you people post from now on :(
15:25
<ogra_>
yep
15:26
<alkisg_zatab>
brb from a real pc, will play with this one later
15:26
<stgraber>
alkisg_zatab, ogra_: that's my current test script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1204965/. It generates a bootable image on /dev/sdb
15:26* ogra_ doesnt post into scrollbars
15:26
<ogra_>
never !
15:26
<gvy>
scrollfree only?
15:27
alkisg, but scrollbars are too complex for [...] users!
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<stgraber>
(oh, apparently I'm still missing the fdisk scripting in that one. You need two partitions, one vfat (>10MB should do) and one ext4 (remaining of the space), both primary partitions)
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<ogra_>
gvy, he cant see you :P
15:28* alkisg1 checks irclogs...
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<vagrantc>
must be an old uboot to require vfat... ?
15:30
<stgraber>
vagrantc: it's a pretty recent u-boot actually, but the firmware in the a10 looks for a script.bin file too and AFAIK the firmware only understands vfat
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<stgraber>
so it was easier to have one vfat partition with kernel, initrd and script.bin at the same place
15:31
<ogra_>
yeah, thats what we do for ubuntu images too
15:33* alkisg1 just realized that he could have scrolled with a finger instead of almost getting his mouse killed :P
15:33
<ogra_>
LOL
15:34
<gvy>
ogra_, that's the point of hiding :D
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<ogra_>
:)
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<roasted>
hello!
16:44
I have q uick question to run by you guys
16:45
dealing with a 12.04 server here with LTSP where users who's home dir's don't exist are not able to log in (this server is bound to an AD domain)
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syslog says "failed to create home directory for user (user, name), actual error 40052
16:45
I googled but that seems to be a Windows error? How is that windows error possible in syslog?
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<gvy>
IIRC there was pam_mkhomedir for such cases
16:52
and the windows error *code* (not *message*) is what has probably hit your syslog :)
16:53
disclaimer: I've only used that PAM module with altlinux, not with ubuntu
16:56
<roasted>
gvy: suggesting what, that the fix resides on the linux side of things or windows?
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<alkisg>
roasted: I think you need to explain where and how do you expect the home dir to be created, if not by using pam_mkhomedir
17:08
<roasted>
alkisg: I think we may have a solution here, actually
17:08
I think somebody was on the server who shouldn't of been playing around with permissions
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that said maybe I made a mistake
17:09
as root:root 755 is what /home should be after all
17:09
hmm
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<alkisg>
We're missing stuff from your case, so you need to explain us in order for us to imagine what you want to do
17:10
How are you creating your home dirs?
17:10
<roasted>
the user accounts from AD auto create them upon login
17:10
this setup was working for the last year, but all of the sudden users without a profile cannot log in as it won't create a home dir for them
17:10
<alkisg>
Which software does that?
17:10
Likewise open?
17:10
<roasted>
likewise
17:11
yes
17:11
<alkisg>
OK, isn't there a likewise-open irc channel? I think there was one...
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<roasted>
I suppose. I didn't think. I'll look
17:12
likewise and likewise-open are empty.hmm
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<mgariepy>
stgraber, bts2012, simpoir will probablby come ;)
18:12
<stgraber>
mgariepy: nice
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<ltspuser_10>
Hi! I have a question about compiz..
22:10
What is the current status of using compiz on client with ubuntu 12.04?
22:11
<alkisg>
...broken, unless you're using fat clients :)
22:11
<ltspuser_10>
A few years ago, think it was Ubuntu 9.04 this worked like a charm. Now connecting through xdmcp compiz "works", but gives an awful flicker and is unsuable.
22:11
no workarounds or magic that ldm will do that lightdm wont? ;)
22:13
<alkisg>
The problem is compiz afaik, not the clients
22:13
<ltspuser_10>
what a pity. there used to bo so many cool things possible.. now they start breaking and abandoning them one by one.. xrandr isn't fully working anymore, too.. very frustrating
22:13
<alkisg>
xrandr? why?
22:14
<ltspuser_10>
sorry for not putting it exactly.. currently this new screen edge setting in xserver does not allow enlargung the screen over physical resolution..
22:15
that "bug" has been around for quite a few months now..
22:15
was using that on my netbook, hmm..
22:15
the mouse stays confined to the original resolution, you see?
22:17
<alkisg>
Which command are you trying to increase the virtual screen size?
22:18
<ltspuser_10>
xrandr --fb 1280x1024 --output LVDS1 --auto --panning 1280x1024
22:18
it works, but the mouse wont move outside of the physical resolution (here 1024x600)
22:19
<alkisg>
So it's not xrandr that's broken, but the mouse movement?
22:19
<ltspuser_10>
well, yes, sorry ;) ...
22:20
<alkisg>
Well, that's minor... here we can't even type in our language (greek) with the default installation since 12.04... :(
22:20
(ubuntu)
22:20
<ltspuser_10>
it is supposed to be something in the xserver.. they tried to fix someting else, which was supposedly hard from the developer perspective, but I never realized there was a "bug" in the first place as a user ;)
22:21
<alkisg>
There's a "track" parameter in xrandr's panning, what does that do?
22:22
<ltspuser_10>
hmm, the world has become too fast ..no time for keeping old thnigs working anymore ;)
22:23
<alkisg>
If at least new things were working... :D
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<ltspuser_10>
yeah "track" is for the mouse area, however it does not do anything
22:23
and it defalts to panning area given..
22:23
<alkisg>
Maybe reporting a bug in xrandr would be a good start
22:24
<ltspuser_10>
well, it is supposed to be in the xserver itself simply ignoring this because of something else which was more urgent to get fixed..
22:25
and it is classified as a niche feature that "normal users" supposedly dont need ;)
22:25
so nobody is trying to get ir fixed again ;)
22:25
<alkisg>
ltspuser_10: google helped: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118999
22:26
So using --scale as well can work around the problem
22:26
(if you don't want to revert the commit that broke it)
22:26
<ltspuser_10>
Well, enough complaining ;) So compit and remote X definitely wont work, not even with with ltsp/ldm or something else, no use in trying right now?
22:26
<alkisg>
We don't know why it doesn't work
22:26
So, trying always helps, even if it's to pinpoint the bug
22:28
<ltspuser_10>
wise answer, thanks! ;)
22:28
dont know if that thread on xrandr really helps..
22:29
<alkisg>
It points to the upstream bug report and it mentions a workaround with --scale
22:29
<ltspuser_10>
of course scaling it down works, since then I am not leaving the original boundary anymoree.
22:29
<alkisg>
Anyways, late here, 'night all...
22:29
<ltspuser_10>
night ;)
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