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Channel log from 6 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<basti122303>
i tray to boot a pxecleint but after loading /pxelinux.cfg/default it hangs -> syslog http://pastebin.com/m75b72784
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<knipwim>
you're sure pam is not the cause?
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<basti122303>
knipwim i dont know .. how can i check it ???? ... the server there the log is from ... i just a ldap cleint of an other ldap server there the clients works fine ...
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<knipwim>
so, you tested the initrd.img and vmlinuz on another server
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your client is able to boot from them
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<basti122303>
knipwim they are from a server how is runing very well
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<knipwim>
does the syslog from the other server have those pam errors
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<basti122303>
knipwim i dont know wait
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<garymc>
HELLO! ;)
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<garymc>
Does anyone know how I need to set up UBUNTU Alertnate disk (All installed Great on SERVER) I want to unplug monitor and mouse and keyboard now and just have it running connected to the ethernet switch. do I need to do anything in my HP proliant Bios?
07:15
or do i just unplug monitor keyboard and mouse then log in from thin client BINGO?
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whats happenin?
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(ill be patient)
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_UsUrPer_ Do you know ? ^^
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07:30* _UsUrPeR_ reads above
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<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: once you have your server running properly, you will be able to pull the monitor and leave it running
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garymc: to ensure a boot, you may want to change "halt on errors" to "none"
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in the BIOS
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brb
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<garymc>
Hi I got disconnected beofr, so if anyone answered my question I missed it
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*before
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<garymc>
anyone know how I sort the bios on a HP server so it dont need monito plugged in or keyboard etc?
08:13
anyone here?........................................................
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<garymc>
anyone know how I sort the bios on a HP server so it dont need monito plugged in or keyboard etc?
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<garymc>
Hi bieb
08:34
May I ask you a question?
08:34
<basti122303>
does anyone know wath this mean: " eth0: link-changed 100MBit" and than the pxe-cleint hangs
08:34
<garymc>
do know how I sort the bios on a HP server so it dont need monitor plugged in or keyboard etc? As iam having trouble finding the options on the BIOS control, or do I have to set something up on Ubuntu itself
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<bieb>
sure garymc
08:36
hmmmm
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<Gadi>
garymc: why would the BIOS control that?
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<garymc>
I dont know
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<Gadi>
hehe
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<bieb>
I dont know that you need to do anything.. other than not plug that stuff in
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<garymc>
I thought that was how it worked?
08:37
I didnt plug it in and I cant connect with the client
08:37
<Gadi>
if you unplug the monitor keyboard and mouse, does the machine explode?
08:37
<garymc>
yes in 10 second
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<ball>
Gadi: stranger things have happened ;-)
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<Gadi>
cool feature
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<garymc>
so what do i do
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<Gadi>
depends on what exactly you're trying to accomplish
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<garymc>
load it up with monitor in then unplug it all and just leave network slot connected
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<Gadi>
the BIOS can be set to say, turn on after power failure
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or ignore errors of not having a keyboard plugged in
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but that's about it
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<garymc>
this is a rack server im using
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<Gadi>
right
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<garymc>
i installed ubuntu Alternate LTSP last night
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<Gadi>
so, you prolly want: Halt on Errors set to none
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<garymc>
all worked fine
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in the bios
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i cant find an option like that
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<ball>
I tried to do that yesterday too.
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<Gadi>
when you boot the server with nothing plugged in, does it stop with an error?
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<Gadi>
boot the server with just a monitor plugged in
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<garymc>
i wouldnt know, there is nothing connected lol
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<Gadi>
and watch it
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no BIOS in the world halts on not having a monitor plugged in
08:40
<bieb>
just hook up monitor.. not keyboard or mouse
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<garymc>
just as a test
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cos i dont want monitor
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<bieb>
yep
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<garymc>
trying now
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<rjune_wrk>
!g\
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<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: Error: "g\" is not a valid command.
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<rjune_wrk>
!g
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<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<garymc>
right the main screen loads with the loging window
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i will see if i can connect a thin client now
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<ball>
"loging window" == console?
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<garymc>
yes
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not letting me boot into yet
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ill try other comp
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ok well my little viao loggs in, but my desktop viao wont work
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so if i shut down unplug the monitor it should now work
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i think
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<ball>
Are you using an analogue VGA connection, or DVI?
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<garymc>
god knows
08:50
it think its working now
08:50* ball shrugs
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<bieb>
probbaly vga.. its an older HP server
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<ball>
Ah okay.
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Is DVI supposed to be hot swap too?
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<bieb>
it works on my PC
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but it takes a couple seconds to re-recognize the monitor
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<bieb>
Gadi: got a question for ya
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<Gadi>
A: a woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood if a woodchuck could chuck wood
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<bieb>
Gadi: you dont have to build a second chroot to serve up local apps correct? I should just be able to add the LOCAL_APPS lines to the existing lts.conf right?
09:01
<Gadi>
bieb: right - but you do need to install the apps into the chroot you've got
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<bieb>
well I hope that woodchucking woodchuck is paying his taxes and healthcare benefits.. :D
09:01
well FF is currently in the chroot
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<Gadi>
it is?
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<bieb>
right?
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<Gadi>
nope
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not by default
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unless you're using kiwi-ltsp
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<bieb>
ohh
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nope ubuntu9.04
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<Gadi>
those guys dump a bunch of stuff in their default chroot, iirc
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:)
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its easy, though
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<bieb>
ok..
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<garymc>
Its working now, nice one bieb
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and gadi
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<bieb>
good job garymc
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<garymc>
no thanks you ;)
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
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<bieb>
morning jammcq
09:34
jammcq: I was talking with Cliebow the other day, and asked what the dates for BTS are, and he said you would be the one to ask
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so you have the dates??
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<jammcq>
bieb: wow, good timing
09:38
I just got off the phone with the guy from the Seawall motel. we're confirmed for Oct 22-25
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it's 2 weeks earlier this year
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<bieb>
cool.. if this works out for me.. I will be going from BTS 10/22-25 to a conference in Chicago 10/25-27
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<jammcq>
ah, cool
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<bieb>
I would prefer BTS if I have to decide between the 2, but I am point of contact for the software of the other conference
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<jammcq>
well... hopefully it'll work out, and you can do both
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on the 25th, we'll do a big breakfast, then everybody will head out
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<bieb>
I hope so
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
jammcq: are you going to put that on the wiki?
09:51* CAN-o-SPAM notes that he can at some point next week
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<jammcq>
yep, I was planning on it
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<garymc>
Hey anyone know how I get a terminal window up in ubuntu alternate ltsp when I login via a thin client?
09:58
i need to login as root to install apache , php and mysql etc
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<jammcq>
garymc: don't you have a terminal in the Applications->Accessories menu?
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<garymc>
i do
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found it thanks
10:03
used to fedora in diff place
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hey i put in what i thought was the admin password and it has just fobbed me off
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how do i get to root?
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<Blinny>
Ubuntu doesn't enable the root account by default.
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<garymc>
so how do i get to root?
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<Blinny>
However, if you need an interactive root shell you can 'sudo -i' if your user is in the sudoers group.
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<garymc>
i could get to root in fedora 10
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hmmm im not sure
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<Blinny>
garymc: Google is your friend here. All of these questions have been asked thousands of times before.
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<garymc>
yeah ha im root
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thanks
10:05
sudo -i
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<Blinny>
Of course. Fedora and Ubuntu have differing approaches to security.
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<garymc>
ok does yum install work in ubuntu?
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<bieb>
no
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apt-get is your friend
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<Blinny>
Ubuntu uses aptitude. 'Symantec Package Manager' in System->Administration is a GUI front-end.
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<garymc>
do i need to install yum?
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<Blinny>
bieb: apt-get is deprecated
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<bieb>
nope
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<garymc>
i wanna use root terminal
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is that ok?
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<bieb>
Blinny: then what to use on ubuntu?
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<Blinny>
bieb: aptitude
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<garymc>
im setting up a server
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now i want to add all the stuff I learnt to setup on fedora
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took me a while to get it right, but yesterday was advised to use the ubuntu ltsp
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<bieb>
Blinny: command line?
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<garymc>
so its a little differnt
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<Blinny>
garymc: Sure. How about this: First hit from google 'ubuntu aptitude': https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide is a good resource.
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<garymc>
so bieb: if i want to install httpd i would type in root shell
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<Blinny>
aptitude install apache2
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<garymc>
apt-get install httpd
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right im well confused
10:09
<Blinny>
bieb: Yes. aptitude is the command-line replacement for apt-get
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<bieb>
Blinny: cool.. thanks
10:09
<Blinny>
garymc: Ubuntu has different package names. 'http' is a protocol. 'apache2' is a piece of software.
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<garymc>
im setting up an intranet web server
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<Blinny>
garymc: As such, ubuntu names its 'apache version 2' package 'apache2', where Fedora names it 'httpd'
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<garymc>
ahh ok
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<Blinny>
garymc: You may get more answers in #ubuntu
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<garymc>
ok thanks
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<Blinny>
But seriously, if you ask every question here it will take a lot more time than just googling or reading an ubuntu sysadmin manual.
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bieb: No worries.
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
jammcq: Let me know when you get BTS up on the wiki, i will post it up on the LinkedIn group and on the Diskless Website
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<garymc>
well on fedora i had to type service httpd start, do i have to do that on here?
10:11
or is that differnt
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<Blinny>
Different :)
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<garymc>
i spent all week getting it right for fedora have i got to re learn again?
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<Blinny>
The init scripts are in /etc/init.d -- do '/etc/init.d/apache2 start'
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<bieb>
not a full relearn.. just learning new words to do same thing
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<garymc>
so there is no chkconfig either?
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<Blinny>
garymc: It's called 'update-rc.d'
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<garymc>
damn i wrote all the stuff out i needed to type to make it work now it dont work again ;(
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<Blinny>
I use a nice perl front-end called sysv-rc-conf you can get it by 'aptitude install sysv-rc-conf'
10:14
Here's a good article: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
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<Blinny>
garymc: You wrote down how to drive a car. Now you're on a motorcycle. Things are different.
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<garymc>
yeah, now my head is proper smashed in
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<Blinny>
But, the underlying idea is the same. The idea is what you should be learning.
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G'luck. GIYF.
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<IBC_jkenney>
Good morning everyone. I am a little stuck i am attempting to create system wide profile for "employees" so they all have access to the same applications. However when I try to use Sabayon it crashes
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My question is how can do this manually if I need to or is there another tool like a web based one
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<Blinny>
IBC_jkenney: If you're fed up with Sabayon (and I understand why) you can do it manually by creating a single user, setting everything you want for that user, and then copying the settings into each user's home directory (perhaps with ug-w permissions)
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IBC_jkenney: As far as I know, there's no easy way to do that. Others may have better methods.. if you find one, please document it!
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sabayon has such potential but I've never been successful with it.
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(there's also pessulus that may be helpful to you)
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<IBC_jkenney>
I will try pessulus thank you and i will resort to the other if i have to
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Where can I find a good howto if i want to edit manually
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<_UsUrPeR_>
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 44 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <sbalneav> From what otavio was talking to us about in Brazil, I think he's using openembedded.
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<johnny>
IBC_jkenney, there is a fixed sabayon in sbalneav's ppa
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<IBC_jkenney>
johnny the fix didn't work
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it still crashes
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<johnny>
you're using his ppa?
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not the one in the repository
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<IBC_jkenney>
correct
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I added his ppa
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as instructed
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<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM: ok, preliminary info is up on the wiki for BTS
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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<johnny>
IBC_jkenney, guess you'll have to talk to him.. i thought he had that crasher fixed
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<Lns>
omgltspbts!! =)
12:30* Lns wants to go
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<jammcq>
Lns: ok, sign up
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<Lns>
k
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do i just edit the wiki page?
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<jammcq>
yes, you can
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<deathtech>
Vagrantc and bieb , thank you for your help, installing from the ubuntu CD vs Xubuntu resolved the chroot error, and im now fully functional, i do have one question though, what do you guys do for remote management ? can you setup VNC so that each thin client can have its own session ?
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<Blinny>
deathtech: FYI I use iTalc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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<deathtech>
very cool, thanks Blinny
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<Blinny>
No worries. One or two clicks and I'm watching all the screens on my subnet.
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<Lns>
Anyone planning on renting a car from BGR to Seawall Motel and want to split costs?
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<IBC_jkenney>
I have a new problem now i see that the thin clients are running their sessions as root when they are supposed to be running as the authenticated user
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i have ldap and ldap userid auths but when i look the processes i see root
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<johnny>
running their sessions as root where?
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<ball>
IBC_jkenney: ouch.
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<johnny>
on the terminals themselves?
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i don't see how they could run as root on your server.. as they don't know the root password
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X itself does run as root tho..
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for now..
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<ball>
johnny: perhaps they just guessed it.
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;-)
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I just noticed another machine that I should test as an ltsp terminal
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Need to get this server working first though.
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johnny: The X server runs as root on the terminals?
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<johnny>
there's no other user
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<johnny>
X still runs as root everywhere
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do this on your computer
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ps aux | grep '^X'
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<ball>
johnny: I'm not near an LTSP terminal
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<johnny>
no.. on your own machine
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<ball>
johnny: On the server?
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<johnny>
sure.. if X is running there
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<ball>
It isn't
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<johnny>
well X runs as root
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<ball>
ok
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<johnny>
normally
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it needs to
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<ball>
istr that's why "insecure" was needed as a kernel option in NetBSD
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<johnny>
at least for now
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the future is lower privileges.. but it's just not possible yet
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<ball>
Is that something X.org are working on?
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<johnny>
yes.. by moving graphics stuff into the kernel
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getting closer by the day
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when the drivers for all popular chips are in the kernel at a good quality level
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<ball>
What's going in there? The driver?
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...the whole X server? :-)
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<johnny>
the drivers
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<ball>
Ah okay.
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That might make sense.
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<johnny>
sometime over the next year i hope
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intel and ati are moving forward
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and nvidia's driver has already removed the calls that require root
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<ball>
johnny: is that also true for the open source nVidia driver?
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<johnny>
yes.. that is moving forward too
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but slower
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i still don't have kernel mode setting support for my chip
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nv34
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it's kinda old
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intel and ati are doing a better job at that
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since they actually have specs and whatnot
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<ball>
Docs are a Good Thing
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<ball>
So ATI release programming docs for their hardware?
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...or just for their older chips?
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<uscamayta>
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<uscamayta>
iTALC
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<uscamayta>
iTALC & LTSP ? questions
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help me
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<bieb>
italc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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<denisesballs>
i noticed on ubuntu 8.04 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/default -> /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme is a broken symlink
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/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme does not exist
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<Blinny>
but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme does
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The link points to the /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme inside the chroot
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<denisesballs>
Blinny: im not sure which link i should actually change
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i tried pointing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme at edubuntu instead and that didnt work
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ok, guess i will try ltsp-build-client
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<denisesballs>
ok that did not do it
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<denisesballs>
the way this describes also does not work - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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<atomic007za>
hi
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<denisesballs>
ok it was ltsp-update-image...
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<atomic007za>
Is it normal when installing a ubuntu lts server that when the PC creats the first client image, during the install that it comes up with an error?
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<johnny>
atomic007za, you'd have to tell us the error i guess
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<the_fronny>
I need to support a tone of pentium I HP Vectras with onboard video. They currently run something like SuSE-8.2 and ltsp-3. Could these run any kind of ltsp5 distro? I've tried but can't get video, the 2.6 kernel I'm guessing.
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<the_fronny>
I should have mentioned these boxes have 32 to 48MB or RAM. When I first tried and got a black screen (the dhcp kernel download worked fine) and got a black screen I figured it was because the client's onboard video was no longer supported, or that there was not enough memory for the client environment.
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<johnny>
the_fronny, unlikely
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freegeek doesn't even take p1s anymore..
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<pulga>
i am using ubuntu 8,04 and iam trying to upgrade to 8,10
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but the instructions are not working
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sudo do-release-upgrade
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i think ltsp will upgrade too
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after ltsp-build-client
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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