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<Leolo_2>
and look at that, so does nbd swap !
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<Leolo_2>
and shite, CentOS 6's stat doesn't have -c %m
01:04
so that fails also
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10:14
<alkisg>
!kvm
10:14
<ltsp`>
kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -vga-vmware -ctrl-grab -no-shutdown -net nic,model=virtio -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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12:36
<rac_>
i have installation ltsp-pnp,
12:36
i have problem printer client not respone
12:36
can help me ?
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13:21
<sbalneav>
Morning all
13:26
<||cw>
rac_: more details? printer on client, or on server, or on network? does client boot thin or fat?
13:29
<rac_>
printer on the client ltsp-PNP
13:33
<sbalneav>
What protocol are you trying to connect with? Cups?
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13:34
<rac_>
AppSocket/HP JetDirect
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13:35
<raphr>
good day ! i am on ltsp-server backports debian. with build-client I have to tftp directories. /srv/tftp and /var/lib/tftpboot
13:35
<rac_>
AppSocket/HP JetDirect
13:36
sorry I just use ltsp-pnp, a lot of which I do not know something. please help
13:37
<sbalneav>
rac_: So how did you set up the printer?
13:39
<rac_>
I've lts.conf configuration on /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
13:39
[6c:f0:49:94:be:c2] HOSTNAME=Subcont PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
13:41
<sbalneav>
On the thin client, is the "jetpipe" program running? Is there, in fact, a /dev/usblp0 device?
13:41
<raphr>
it seems update-image write in /var/lib/tftpboot but tftp server uses /srv/tftp
13:42
<rac_>
yes, running,,,
13:42
i have test, telnet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 9100
13:43
i try telnet and runing
13:43
you can remote my computer server ?
13:43
please help me,
13:43
<sbalneav>
I am helping you.
13:44
<raphr>
/dev/usblp0 is not jetdirect
13:44
<rac_>
ok , how to do ?
13:45
<sbalneav>
raphr: You may want to set up a /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf file.
13:45
Whoops
13:45
I mean /etc/ltsp/ltsp-server.conf
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put:
13:45
BASE="/srv/ltsp"
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TFTP_DIRS="/srv/tftp"
13:45
in it.
13:46
rac_: So when you telnet to the host at 9100, you get a connection?
13:47
What kind of printer is it? Is it a postscript capable printer?
13:49
<rac_>
yes, i have connection,
13:49
Epson L300
13:50
<raphr>
thank you
13:50
<rac_>
raphr: so i must use port ? /dev/usblp0 ?
13:50
please help me ?
13:51
<raphr>
rac_: you have to add a network printer un CUPS
13:51
<sbalneav>
rac_: If you ask me to help you one more time, when I already AM helping you, I'll stop and won't waste my time further. Clear?
13:52
rac_: So, you have the printer there, but have you created a print queue anywhere in cups that points to that printer?
13:52
<raphr>
easyest is via printer preferences in your desktop denvioronement. Or use http://localhost:631
13:52
<rac_>
<raphr> yes i have add printer,
13:53
on http://localhost:631
13:53
<sbalneav>
How did you add it? Can you paste the results of "lpstat -t"?
13:53
<raphr>
what is the state of the printer vi cups ?
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13:57
<rac_>
scheduler is running no system default destination device for Canon-iP2700-seriesCMD:PDF,PS,JPEG,PNG,PWG,URF: dnssd://Canon%20iP2700%20series%20%40%20PPICBadrudin._ipp._tcp.local/cups?uuid=11a0843d-57eb-32be-7483-803593679359 device for Delivery2-LQ310: ipp://192.168.60.61:631/printers/Delivery2-LQ310 device for ismiL300: smb://WORKGROUP/192.168.60.185/epsonismi device for LX-300Subcont2: ipp://192.168.60.61:631/printers/LX-300Subcont2 d
13:58
<raphr>printer finish but not respone ,
13:58
can you remote my computer,
13:59
<sbalneav>
That's probably not the cups connection you'll want.
13:59
For a jet direct, you'll need to set the connection to:
14:00
<raphr>
remote is not possible here
14:00
<sbalneav>
socket://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9100
14:01
So for instance, you'll want to set "lpadmin -p ismiL300 -v socket://192.168.60.185:9100
14:01
Assuming 192.168.60.185 is the IP address of the terminal the Epson L300 is connected to.
14:02
<rac_>
socket://192.168.54.101:9100
14:04
" Status " Idle - "Waiting for printer to finish."
14:04
but printer not respone
14:04
<raphr>
it is also pluged via USB ?
14:05
<rac_>
yes i use usb,
14:05
<raphr>
and network too ?
14:08
is there a way to have ltsp-NFS by default when ltsp-update-kernels xenial chroot ?
14:09
I love mix clients on same server ^^
14:09
<sbalneav>
Not sure. I use debian myself, and NFS is the default there.
14:11
<raphr>
in fact i386 chroot is debian and NFS by default and i386-ubuntu chroot is xenial and NBD by default which make cry build-client at the end but all seems there
14:11
when i change default from NBD to NFS after update_kernel
14:16
and saddly xenial thin client in NFS is readonly filesystem while Debian is writeable but not permanent
14:16
<alkisg>
raphr: ltsp-update-kernels updates any of the known tftp dirs it finds, so you can just delete one of those 2 and it won't use it anymore
14:17
<raphr>
alkisg: thank you. I'll do this
14:17
<alkisg>
raphr: NFS doesn't work with xenial and overlay anymore... it'll only work if you force aufs
14:17
That's why nfs isn't the default for debian either, anymore
14:19
<raphr>
You mean there no more NFS in Ltsp sid ?
14:19
<alkisg>
NFS is there, but the kernel doesn't have aufs anymore, it has "overlayfs", and overlayfs is broken with NFS
14:20
Some patches exist, but they either don't work or haven't made it upstream
14:20
I.e. we didn't remove any code in ltsp to break nfs; it broke because of the new overlayfs file system that went mainline to the kernel,
14:21
<sbalneav>
I'm using jessie, so I've still got aufs, for the moment.
14:21
<alkisg>
and we just had to update the ltsp code to default to nbd for debian since nfs was broken
14:21
<raphr>
ok, I understood
14:21
shame. aufs was nice on Debian
14:22
<alkisg>
True, it shouldn't have been removed until overlayfs was working properly first
14:22
The good thing about overlayfs is that it's distro agnostic now
14:24
<raphr>
it may work in the futur then
14:24
<rac_>
<alkisg> can help me ?
14:24
i have problem on printer client ltsp-pnp
14:24
<alkisg>
rac_: I can't use remote support now, I'm remotely connected to irc
14:24
You should start with checking the things sbalneav told you...
14:25
I.e. if the device /dev/usb* is there etc
14:26
<rac_>
i tried /dev/lp0, or /dev/usblp0
14:26
but printer not respone
14:26
Epson L300
14:26
<alkisg>
!screen_02
14:26
<ltsp`>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
14:26
<alkisg>
!epoptes
14:26
<ltsp`>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
14:26
<alkisg>
Use some of this methods to get a terminal on the client
14:26
And run "ls /dev/usb*"
14:26
Don't try to guess
14:27
<rac_>
root@ltsp-P41-ES3G:~# ls /dev/usb ls: cannot access '/dev/usb': No such file or directory
14:28
<raphr>
Also, ltsp-build-client with xenial seems to install a mate desktop, even if not --fat-client used
14:28
<alkisg>
raphr: do you have it defined in ltsp-build-client.conf?
14:28
<raphr>
nope
14:29
<sbalneav>
rac_: You forgot the *
14:29
ls /dev/usb*
14:29
<raphr>
alkisg: I've just added nfs-common
14:30
<rac_>
root@ltsp-P41-ES3G:~# ls /dev/usb* ls: cannot access '/dev/usb*': No such file or directory
14:30
<alkisg>
raphr: put the command line that you used and the .conf file that you used, in pastebin
14:30
<raphr>
ok...
14:31
<alkisg>
rac_: do you see the printer if you run lsusb?
14:31
<rac_>
root@ltsp-P41-ES3G:~# lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
14:32
<alkisg>
I don't see it
14:32
Is the printer powered on?
14:32
<rac_>
I do not see
14:32
yes power on
14:32
<alkisg>
Run: udevadm monitor
14:32
remove the printer
14:32
and put it back
14:33
Do you see messages in udevadm monitor?
14:33
<rac_>
monitor will print the received events for: UDEV - the event which udev sends out after rule processing KERNEL - the kernel uevent
14:33
<alkisg>
Do you see the device it uses? Like /dev/usblp0 etc?
14:33
Or /dev/usb/lp0, things like that
14:35
<rac_>
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
14:35
<alkisg>
That's lts.conf, not udevadm
14:35
We're checking udevadm now
14:36
<rac_>
nano /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
14:36
<alkisg>
rac_: stop it
14:36
This won't make progress
14:36
You first need to see the printer with lsusb
14:36
This is not related to ltsp
14:36
So don't edit lts.conf, don't write about lts.conf directives etc
14:37
Did you see messages with udevadm?
14:37
Did you see which device node it created?
14:37
<rac_>
i am sorry i dont understand,,
14:38
please step by step
14:38
<alkisg>
On the client, you run: udevadm monitor
14:38
Then it says that it will print kernel events etc
14:38
<rac_>
I am confused
14:38
<alkisg>
And it stays there
14:38
Then you unplug the printer
14:38
You pull the usb cable out of the client
14:39
And then you reconnect the usb cable of the printer to the client
14:39
At that point udevadm will print MORE messages
14:39
That's what you should look for, those more messages
14:39
They will tell you if it can see the printer, and where
14:40
Messages like this one: KERNEL[10091.486829] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.1/usbmisc/lp0 (usbmisc)
14:40
Did you see messages like that?
14:40
<rac_>
i dont see,
14:41
<raphr>
Are you messing USB and Network cable ?
14:41
<rac_>
i want check cable, please wait me
14:43
<sbalneav>
I suspect he's not runnin this on the thin client, but on the server.
14:44
<raphr>
It is also possible. But sometimes he speaks about jetdirect
14:45
I'll be bak with IRc from mt server.
14:45
my
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<rac_>
<alkisg> i see the messages
14:51
<sbalneav>
rac_: Please paste them for us.
14:51
!paste
14:51
<ltsp`>
paste: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
14:54
<rac_>
<alkisg>
14:54
<alkisg>
rac_: please do what sbalneav asked, put the messages to pastebin
14:55
Also check if you now see the printer in lsusb
15:01
<rac_>
Messages "Seiko epson corp "
15:01
<sbalneav>
rac_: We need to see the full messages.
15:03
<rac_>
tasika@PPICBadrudin:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0038 Seiko Epson Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Founda
15:05
<alkisg>
rac_: why it wasn't there before and it is now?
15:05
Also, run the "ls /dev/usb*" command now as well
15:12
<rac_>
so
15:14
<alkisg>
?
15:18* alkisg notes a different client hostname there now... probably not ltsp
15:19
<sbalneav>
bbiab
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<raphr>
I'm back. I must leave in 15 minutes
15:26
<rac_>
<alkisg> i have 2 printer device,
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15:27
<rac_>
Epson LX-300 = OK
15:27
but Epson L300 not detect
15:27
<raphr>
so... my command was : ltsp-build-client --chroot i386-vmview --arch i386 --dist xenial --purge-chroot --debug
15:28
<rac_>
do i have to add printer manually
15:28
<raphr>
and result http://pastebin.com/MdDgAiBx
15:28
ltsp-build-client.conf i meant
15:28
<alkisg>
raphr: well, you do have FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS there
15:29
rac_: when you put LX-300 to an ltsp client, you see it in lsusb, but when you put L300, you don't see it?
15:29
<raphr>
OK, I thought it was take in consideration onl with --fat-client
15:30
<rac_>
rachmat@PPICBadrudin:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0046 Seiko Epson Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Found
15:30
i am see,,
15:31
when put LX-300 the printer directly visible without install printer
15:31
<alkisg>
raphr: --fat-client-desktop run most or all applications locally ==> that's the same as FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS, either one of them activates it
15:32
<rac_>
but i put Epson L300 the printer not visible
15:32
<alkisg>
rac_: I don't understand. Is your answer "yes" or "no" to my previous question?
15:32
<raphr>
OK I misunderstood. and whatdifference between fat-client and fat-client-desktop ?
15:32
<alkisg>
The first means "autodetect my server desktop and use that one"
15:33
<raphr>
humm. OK that's why I had MAte in one of my tests.
15:33
<alkisg>
Yup
15:34
!ltsp-pnp
15:34
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
15:34
<raphr>
and what about --mint-dist ?
15:34
<alkisg>
...we're mostly using that one nowadays
15:34
<rac_>
yes autodetect
15:34
<alkisg>
Linux mint is a broken distro, and needed special workarounds, and some ltsp user sent patches for that one
15:35
If it was a normal desktop environment like mate etc, it wouldn't need patches
15:35
rac_: do you see the epson L300 in /dev/usb* ?
15:35
<rac_>
Epson L300 not autodetect
15:35
<raphr>
lol. Mint is quite nice out of the box
15:35
<alkisg>
raphr: it might be an awesome software, but its packaging is really broken
15:35
It ships files that are modified by hand
15:36
And get overwritten on updates etc
15:36
<raphr>
ha quick and dirty fix fixes i see :(
15:36
<alkisg>
Yup, it should be a flavor, not a distro
15:36
<rac_>
yes, see
15:37
<alkisg>
rac_: what is the output lf ls /dev/usb*, when you connect epson l300?
15:37
<raphr>
OK HAve to go. Hope Epxon wil write something out. goord luck. And thank you for support
15:37
<alkisg>
bb
15:38
<rac_>
rachmat@PPICBadrudin:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:0046 Seiko Epson Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Found
15:38
<alkisg>
rac_, that's the wrong command
15:38
I said: ls /dev/usb*
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15:38
<alkisg>
Anyway, this takes too long, I'll have to pass too. :)
15:38
<rac_>
lp0
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<alkisg>
Hope you manage to make it work!
15:39
rac_: ls -l /dev/usb8
15:39
*
15:39
Is that /dev/usb/lp0?
15:39
Then you have this line wrong:
15:39
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
15:39
It should be /dev/usb/lp0 there as well
15:39
Anyway, I'm leaving, hope you manage to make it work
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16:13
<sbalneav>
back
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17:09
<Hyperbyte>
https://www.facebook.com/middelkoopjan/videos/10153613562767532/
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<Leolo_2>
good MORNING
17:13
<Hyperbyte>
euh...
17:13
I have no idea why I just pasted that.
17:13
Luckily it's not something too embarrassing.
17:15
<tsylvermane>
is why i gave up facebook. to easy to post embarrasing stuff
17:15
<alkisg>
Meh viewing this on a raspberry pi over VNC is no fun at all, I'll have to wait to go to a real computer :D
17:16
What good is watching video of friends if you can't make fun of them :D
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<Hyperbyte>
tsylvermane, I am fine with the Facebook post - I didn't mean to -paste- it here.
17:21
<gehidore>
I gave up facebook because facebook
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20:51
<carlos_cerna>
Como mejoro los clientes ligeros, ya que al abrir youtube se quedan colgados las aplicaciones
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21:26
<rac__>
how to accelerate the client ltsp, because LTSP client sometimes not responding,
21:26
can help me ?
21:28
<maldridge>
rac__: what is the load on your ltsp server?
21:30
<rac__>
just installed google chrome, adobe reader, but why ltsp client sometimes not respone
21:31
<talntid2>
alkisg, i have some windows desktops in my enviro also, epoptes uses rdp if I am correct, can i publish my windows rdp stuff too?
21:31
<alkisg>
talntid2: epoptes uses vnc to implement 1 of its 50 features
21:31
Not rdp, and it's not compatible with windows
21:31
<talntid2>
oh, i meant vnc but said rdp
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<alkisg>
You could only use it if you run rdp over ltsp
21:32
<talntid2>
so i can't just run vnc on the windows machine, and somehow "advertise" it to epoptes? ok
21:32
<alkisg>
(that's with SCREEN_07="xfreerdp <params>"
21:32
No, you can't
21:32
<talntid2>
ok, thanks
21:32
<alkisg>
There are 49 other things missing :)
21:33
<rac__>
<alkisg> can help me again?
21:33
how to accelerate the client ltsp, because LTSP client sometimes not responding,
21:33
<alkisg>
rac__: sorry, it's time for bed here...
21:33
answer to maldridge
21:33
When people ask you things, it's polite to answer to them...
21:34
If you don't understand what they're asking, just say so, they'll rephrase
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21:35
<maldridge>
rac__: I'm trying to figure out if your server is overloaded, or if perhaps this is something else. With clients up and running what are the 3 numbers from the "uptime" command?
21:35
<rac__>
i am sorry mr alkisg,
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22:19
<Hyperbyte>
rac__, and still you don't answer maldridge..............................
22:19* maldridge is going to dinner, someone else will need to take over
22:20
<Hyperbyte>
Well, if he doesn't answer there's not much to do really. ;-)
22:24
<maldridge>
fair point
22:43
<Leolo_2>
how do I make the font used by ldmgtkgreet bigger
22:43
I'm poking around in greeter-gtkrc but it's doing nothing
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<Leolo_2>
aha, it seems gtk_rc_add_default_file needs to happen before gtk_init
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23:04
<Leolo_2>
grrr... that didn't work either