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Channel log from 3 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<daduke>
!seen Gadi
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<ltspbot>
daduke: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Gadi> okey dokey - brb
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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
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<Vince-0>
:-) morn
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<generic>
would any body now how to mount local hard drives in ltsp client ?
02:55
<Vince-0>
ooh , thats a hard one ..
02:58
i cant even get the client logins to work at all, any ideas ? Im checkin auth log
03:02
the client accounts are the same accounts as the server accounts, but they don't work from the client.
03:02
bleh
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<Vince-0>
blah!
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<michel_>
help i would like to cluster the ltsp network, any idea?
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<daduke>
hey michel_, good to see you!
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<slappy>
If I want users to share a folder, do I have to install samba in Edubuntu (there is already samba-common installed)?
06:02
I read something about NFS. Would it be easier than samba (goal: share a folder on edubuntu)?
06:12
<ogra>
to different machines or only between the ltsp users ?
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<slappy>
ogra:between ltsp users
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<ogra>
since they are all on the same machine, just define a folder for them :)
06:28
the user sessions all run on the ltsp server in ltsp ...
06:28
no need for extra server stuff if you dont want to share to a different machine beyond the server
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<slappy>
ogra: the problem is that I would like to have inheritance properties on the shared folder...
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<slappy>
I had a look to ACL... but is not "perfect"...
06:30
ogra: users a beginners, and the won't be able to change properties to rw for the group (and that's what I need)
06:31
The goal: a folder where all users can rw common files
06:32
<ogra>
read about umask :)
06:33
<slappy>
ogra: I tried that to. It works for files, not for folder (a user who creates a folder has exclusiv access to it)...
06:34
ogra: I think the point is: inheritance under a folder for all objects...
06:34
Even if a file is copied from another place....
06:34
<ogra>
well, then you need a FS suporting ACLs like XFS or so
06:34
i dont think ext3 ACL support is that far yet
06:35
not sure though
06:35
another way would be to adjust the umask value on a system level
06:35
but indeed that applies o all new dirs then
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<slappy>
ACL works with ext3. Preaty easy though. But still the same problem with folders
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<slappy>
where can I change umask at system level. Would it be possible to aplly a script (for a specific group !)
06:37
ogra: security in linux looks like a problem in this case !
06:37
<ogra>
you can apply shell scripts for everything, you can even have a script monitoring a folder for changes and applyint the permissions automatically
06:38
but still i'd go for XFS afaik that supports things like inheritance
06:38
<slappy>
Is it possible to chanfe FS on /home who's on separate disk?
06:39
<ogra>
make a backup, reformat, restore backup
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<slappy>
;)
06:39
I,ll take a look at that. Thanks, I have to go.
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<shawndakin>
Hello, I am trying to configure a KiWi-LTSP openSuse 10.3 server, but having little success. I am using the prebuilt image, and when I pxeboot the client, the boot process stops at the line "input: AT Translated Set 2 Keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1". I can find no error logs. Can any one help?
07:54
<cyberorg>
shawndakin, what are you using as client, how much memory, cpu, video chipset?
07:55
shawndakin, also is /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp setup correctly and ran kiwi-ltsp-setup -c ?
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<shawndakin>
I am using a LTSP Term 1000, 128Mb, Vortex86 SoC-200MHz. These are the same clients I was using for LTSP4. Yes, I have the correct /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp setup and have ran kiwi-ltsp-setup -c with no errors that I could see.
07:58
I a baffled as to why it will not work :-/
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<ogra>
its a crap device
07:59
<cyberorg>
shawndakin, kiwi-ltsp is not very good with low memory TC, first try pxebooting normal PC/laptop
07:59
<shawndakin>
yea, butit worked fine in ltsp4
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<ogra>
its well suited for kiosk setups where you only run one app standalone and dont need desktop stuff like sound or localdev
08:00
but surely nothing i'd try to run any desktop on
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<cyberorg>
shawndakin, first just pxeboot something else just to make sure your setup is ok
08:00
<shawndakin>
Ok, I will try a laptop and see if it goes, thanks
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<ogra>
cyberorg, its not only the ram ... the crappy integrated SIS CPU is your prob here
08:00
<shawndakin>
I am using these for student web kiosks. The price is right
08:01
<ogra>
i made it work in ubuntus ltsp with a lot of effort ... but the best i could get out of it was stuttering mouse and 2.5min boottimes
08:01
<cyberorg>
i've got reports from fxsliberty that kiwi-ltsp does not run on some other popular disklessworkstations TC
08:01
<ogra>
(at least i managed to cut the boot in half back then)
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<cyberorg>
it hangs just before initrd kicks in
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<ogra>
well, ubunt runs fine on all others ... i have all models here and usually test on them
08:02
but the e1000 should really be called kiosk client or so
08:02
to not let users make wrong assumptions
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08:03* cyberorg doesn't have any TC, uses laptop, desktop, virtualbox to test :(
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<shawndakin>
I am assuming the kiwi-ltsp has more overhead than ltsp4 had. This client server config was working great with 4
08:04
<cyberorg>
shawndakin, ltsp4 used kernel 2.4 which was optimised for 386, while we use 2.6.25 built for i586
08:05
welcome leio :)
08:05
sorry lejo,
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<shawndakin>
I will try a laptop and see, thanks for the help
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<ogra>
shawndakin, well, the e1000 works on ltsp5 in ubuntu ... as much as you can expect a $99 device to work
08:05
<lejo>
thx cyberorg
08:05
<shawndakin>
Hey, when all you got it is $100, you do what you can
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<ogra>
the kiwi requirements are just a bit higher as cyberorg stil works on optimization
08:07
<cyberorg>
lejo, meet ogra the lead dev of ltsp5, ogra meet lejo one of our newest member who is helping us with kiwi-ltsp
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<ogra>
shawndakin, well, you usually get 20 used TCs on ebay that are better for the same price ... i turned my e1000 into a router after doing the ltsp bits with it ... it even takes 2 min if you boot it natively with a local install
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<ogra>
cyberorg, former lead-dev :) we switched to a distro independent team maintenance :)
08:07
about 6 months ago :)
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<cyberorg>
ogra, even with that you are the lead dev of ltsp5 who has written most of it
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i am just considering your contribution, not current role :)
08:09
<ogra>
well, right, but i didnt touch much of the code after we switched the manteance model ... for questions about recent code warren or vagrantc are surely the better guys
08:09
<lejo>
kudos for your work ;)
08:09
<ogra>
thanks ;) glad you like it
08:10
<lejo>
I'm currently running it at one of my customers (+-15sites)
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<daduke>
Gadi: hey there. I asked about rdesktop disturbing my ldm screen yesterday and you wanted to know details. We use ltsp5 on etch.
08:30
<Gadi>
daduke: ah, great
08:30
there is no built in mechanism to do you what you wanted
08:30
but, I would try the following
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:)
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:
08:31
1 sec...
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<Gadi>
while [ "$(fgconsole)" != "${TTY}" ];do sleep 2; done
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that should go after the include of screen-x-common
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in the rdesktop screen script
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<ogra>
whats that ? a workaround for a race ?
08:35
<Gadi>
ogra: quick and dirty
08:36
work around for the race of which screen comes up first
08:36
not bad, right?
08:36
eats a bit of CPU
08:37
but not the worst hack in the world
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:)
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<ogra>
no, but i wonder why rdesktop cant wait
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<Gadi>
well, its more like when X inits it steals the screen
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and I think we established the noswitchvt thing doesnt work
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so, this is the next best thing
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<ogra>
upstart will fix all that console mess soon i heard :)
08:39
but not for debian yet i guess
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<shawndakin>
cyberorg, ogra, FYI the laptop worked. The e1000 must be my problem. Since it worked fine in 4 I will leave things be. Thanks for the help though. I appreciate it.
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<cyberorg>
shawndakin, sorry couldn't help, our hardware demand is a bit high
08:48* ogra didnt find the device fun in ltsp4 either
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<ogra>
i tried it there
08:49
<daduke>
Gadi: thanks, I will try what you suggested. Unfortunately, we have the additional problem of the windows login screen restarting every 30 s. I'm afraid you're hack won't take care of that..
08:49
<Gadi>
well, for that, just put rdesktop in a while loop
08:49
thats what I do
08:49
while :; do rdesktop....; done
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<ogra>
mouse being sluggish as well etc ... if it is booted once it doesnt behave much different between ltsp4 and 5
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<daduke>
Gadi: oh it does reconnect all right, but it steals X's "focus" every time
08:50
<Gadi>
no, sorry
08:50
I have a wrapper to rdesktop
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<shawndakin>
ogra, all we use it for is student web access and openoffice write. I run 30 on a single server with little problems.
08:50
<Gadi>
called rdesktop.wrapper
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<cyberorg>
ogra, is ubuntu kernel i386 optimised>?
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<Gadi>
that I call instead of rdesktop
08:50
from xinit
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<ogra>
cyberorg, i486
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<Gadi>
the wrapper puts rdesktop in a while loop
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<ogra>
we dont have any i386 kernels
08:50
<Gadi>
so X doesn't keep reiniting
08:51
the xinit is what steals the focus
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<daduke>
Gadi: that's more like it then. This never made into debian I guess?
08:51
<cyberorg>
ogra, i486 atleast must be able to boot on i386, i586 wont
08:51
<ogra>
cyberorg, but it doesnt make any difference i tried all the different kernel builds
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<Gadi>
daduke: LTSP cares little for rdp :)
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<ogra>
its very specific to that CPU
08:51
<Gadi>
many of my hacks stay out of the core
08:51* Gadi is surprised the rdesktop screen script is in core
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<cyberorg>
ah, k
08:51
<ogra>
Gadi, ubuntu ships rdesktop by default
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<cliebow>
hacks..
08:52
<Gadi>
right - I wonder why
08:52
:)
08:52
<ogra>
Gadi, because its silly to force the user to install it manually ... we have it on the cd anyway as desktop dependency
08:52
<daduke>
Gadi: I know. but it's another kick ass feature if I can provide two OS on one thin client
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<ogra>
Gadi, if we're missing pieces in ubuntu i'm happy to let them inot intrepid
08:53
<Gadi>
ogra: true - but I dont think ubuntu is keen on supporting it, no?
08:53
<ogra>
(if they are in clean separate patches .... hint ... hint)
08:53
<Gadi>
:P
08:53
<ogra>
well, we do
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<Gadi>
well, if ubuntu wants to do it, it should do it right - and enable localdev and sound support for rdesktop screen script
08:54
otherwise, it should probably be left as an addon
08:54
<ogra>
so send me patches :)
08:54
<daduke>
Gadi: where could I find your wrapper magic? And how can I bribe vagrantc to include it into debian?
08:55
<Gadi>
:)
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<ogra>
i think debian had different problems with rdesktop itself
08:55
thats why it wasnt added yet
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<Gadi>
daduke: unfortunately, I do not have things separated sufficiently - and I am still on gutsy
08:55
<ogra>
there were some RC bugs open
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<Gadi>
it would take some time for me to adapt all of my hacks to hardy
08:55
but, I can advise as you go :)
08:55
<daduke>
Gadi: not ready for prime time is what you're trying to say?
08:56
<Gadi>
ready for prime time
08:56
just not ready to be merged with LTSP
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<Gadi>
cleanly
08:56
:)
08:56
<daduke>
Gadi: bummer.
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<Gadi>
there is a lot to hack around, as LTSP's focus is on ldm
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and the gutsy->hardy transition moved things around a bunch
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to the point where its an exercise just to change all the paths
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and since I hear the paths are changing in intrepid again
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I'll prolly work towards intrepid
08:57
:)
08:57
<daduke>
Gadi: we're still trying to fix it on the windows side (the login screen being restarted every 30 s), but we haven't found it yet
08:57
<Gadi>
I dont think you can
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unless it's a registry hack
08:58
<daduke>
Gadi: everything in Windows is a registry hack
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<Gadi>
:)
08:58
you wouldnt want to turn it off anyway, necessarily
08:58
<daduke>
Gadi: somebody suggested GINA, but we have to look into that
08:58
<Gadi>
it'll prolly leave lots of stale connections around
08:58
which will impact ur licensing
09:00
<daduke>
Gadi: think so? if I'm logged out already (or not yet logged in) there shouldn't be stale connections now should there?
09:00
<cliebow>
Balls! applications Places system are missing frommy panel///
09:00
<Gadi>
daduke: its windows
09:00
:)
09:00
<daduke>
Gadi: I forgot.
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<Gadi>
dont expect a deviation from normal to work
09:00
they have a hard enough time with normal
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<ogra>
cliebow, just add them back :) its in the add-to-panel dialog
09:02
<daduke>
Gadi: roughly, how much work would it be to include your patches into etch? is this something we could talk vagrantc into doing?
09:03
Gadi: or I'll try doing it and provide patches to him?
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<cliebow>
ahhh.slap me..
09:05
<ogra>
daduke, we discussed rdesktop inclusion before i did it in ubuntu ... and he wasnt opposed apart from the RC bugs he had ...
09:05
so yur chances are good to get fixes in for that
09:05
<Gadi>
daduke: we have a hackfest coming up next month - I will try to get my hacks in order for then
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<daduke>
Gadi: cool! where's that gonna be?
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!seen vagrantc
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<ltspbot>
daduke: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <vagrantc> sounds like a bug in something ... i didn't try it, but i'm pretty sure others had it working just fine.
09:11
<daduke>
Gadi: I'll be happy to help in any way I can, testing and all.
09:12
<Gadi>
daduke: portland, or
09:12
<daduke>
Gadi: vagrantc or the hackfest? I know he's living there (sometimes)
09:12
<cliebow>
ogra:err maybe i am obtuse..but i dont see a way to add the whole applications menu back..
09:12
<Gadi>
daduke: both
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:)
09:14
<daduke>
Gadi: when? I'll be in the Bay Area June 13 - July 2, but that's still many many miles...
09:14
<Gadi>
July 25th ish
09:15
<daduke>
Gadi: too late then
09:15
:(
09:16
<Gadi>
no worries - we'll all be in here while we're there
09:16
:)
09:16
<daduke>
Gadi: I know... would've been nice to meet you guys in person tho..
09:19
<Gadi>
ditto
09:19
daduke: where are you locaed?
09:19
*located
09:20
<daduke>
Gadi: Zurich, Switzerland
09:20
<Gadi>
ah, then I hope to come see you some day
09:20
:)
09:20
<daduke>
Gadi: hope so too. La mia casa ? la tua casa.
09:21
Gadi: what's Gadi's HQ?
09:21
<Gadi>
New York
09:22
<daduke>
Gadi: that's were AA screwed up my flights last August... what a mess.
09:23
<Gadi>
sorry
09:23
Ill have a talk with them
09:23
:)
09:23* daduke doubts it was Gadi's fault
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<daduke>
Gadi: I'll get back to you in July then, aye?
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<Gadi>
if you would, yeah, please
09:30
<daduke>
Gadi: sure, I want my problem fixed ;)
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<cliebow>
daduke:Maine in November is nice ;-]
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<daduke>
cliebow: Indian Summer, I know. I'd like to see it. Been to MA and NH last August... hence the flight trouble
09:41
cliebow: well no, November's too late for summer I guess...
09:43
<cliebow>
yeah a little late..we try to get these guys together for ltsp by-the-sea
09:43
and it usually ties to ubuntu summit
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<ogra>
nov summit will likely be in california
09:43
hard to tie to events in maine
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<cliebow>
i see..
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<Nubae>
(04:12:42 PM) cliebow: ogra:err maybe i am obtuse..but i dont see a way to add the whole
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<cliebow>
??
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<Nubae>
right click on the bottom panel, add new panel
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<ogra>
no
10:06
right click on the panel "add to panel"
10:06
then look for the ubuntu logo
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<cliebow>
ahhhh
10:07
<ogra>
one of the two you will find is the full menu, the other is just the single appmenu
10:07
<Nubae>
there are 2... one has a dropdown with everything
10:07
<cliebow>
that is better
10:07
<Nubae>
i've done this 100 times for my students :-)
10:07
they keep deleting the panels
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<ogra>
just lock down the panel :)
10:08
<Nubae>
yeah true
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<cliebow>
mine just went south for some reason all by itself
10:08
but she is back
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<Nubae>
its weirder when u delete the whole panel
10:08
u'd expect to add it from the top
10:09
<maasj>
Hello. I'm a long-time amateur LTSP v4 sysadmin...
10:09
...and we're finally getting around to testing LTSP5 on Ubuntu 8.04 ("Hardy")
10:10
We have a number of terminals that are donated old PCs that we've stuck dual-port video cards in.
10:10
We've gotten them working in LTSPv4 using hand-crafted xorg.conf files for each terminal as needed.
10:10
It works, but is clunky.
10:10
Is there anything better in LTSP for dual-headed terminals (using a single video card)?
10:10
In LTSP5 I mean.
10:12
I read the ltsp-users mailing lists and I've read the Edubuntu docs and I don't see anything about dual-headed setups with desktop spanning...
10:12
<Gadi>
LTSP 4.2 actually had dual-head parameters in lts.conf
10:12
LTSP 5 does not, tho
10:12
<maasj>
Hi Gadi, yeah I was just re-reading about taht in the Wiki.
10:12
Thanks for your work on it!
10:12
<Gadi>
so, in 4.2 you could have not used xorg.conf files
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:)
10:13
<maasj>
Well, that's a start. :)
10:13
<Gadi>
in 5 you will have to use xorg.conf files
10:13
and specify them with X_CONF
10:13
<maasj>
Ok, that's good to know. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some fantastic new feature that would make life easy for those setups.
10:13
<Gadi>
(i think thats the param name)
10:13
just be sure to roll them into the image
10:13
<maasj>
I bet we will enjoy having a newer kernel and X.org versions...
10:13
<Gadi>
the only thing that lives outside the image in 5 is lts.conf
10:14
<maasj>
Yes, we're learning about making sure to rebuild the image.
10:14
Do you know of any good templates for the xorg.conf file?
10:14
<Gadi>
and be sure to use full path as the argument to X_CONF
10:14
<maasj>
Ours our kinda old and crufty.
10:14
<rjune__>
Gadi: !
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<Gadi>
so: X_CONF=/etc/X11/myxorg.conf
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<maasj>
I think we're primarily using MergedFB since we had troubles with Xinerama...any thoughts about that?
10:15
<Gadi>
rjune!!
10:15* Gadi has never had probs with xinerama
10:15
<Gadi>
what probs did you have?
10:15
<maasj>
I don't remember, it's been a couple years or so.
10:16
I just remember having problems, seeing references to MergedFB, trying that and getting it working...
10:16
So it became the default in our environment...
10:16
<Gadi>
gotcha
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<Gadi>
see its for uses like yours that I dont foresee a conf-less xorg for some time :)
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<ogra>
wide displays are implemenzted in xrandr nowadays xinerama and friends are pretty much dead
10:17
<maasj>
ogra: You're referring to desktop spanning across monitors?
10:17
<Gadi>
xrandr implements dual head?
10:18
<johnny>
ograz
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<maasj>
Gadi: The Xinerama Sourceforge site says "As of 2007-09-20 10:44, this project is no longer under active development."
10:19
<Gadi>
cool
10:20* Gadi hopes this isnt yet another example of 'lets kill off the project in anticipation of another that doesnt come or comes half-implemented'
10:20* Gadi took his cynic pills this morning
10:20* maasj chuckles
10:22
<Gadi>
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
10:22
good reading
10:22
<ogra>
Gadi, it not only impelments dualhead, it also breaks former implementations
10:23
which is very sad
10:23
<johnny>
Gadi, i'm using dual head with xrandr right now with hardy
10:23
<ogra>
johnny, in ltsp ?
10:23
<johnny>
no.. not yet
10:23
<ogra>
we dont have any support for tht
10:23
<johnny>
some day tho..
10:23
<ogra>
(yet)
10:23
<maasj>
What do you mean that there's no support?
10:24
<johnny>
it could still have better plug and play support
10:24
<maasj>
What's LTSP-specific about it (if you roll your own xorg.conf file)?
10:24
<johnny>
maasj, he means no direct support via lts.conf
10:24
<maasj>
Ahh, OK.
10:24
<ogra>
nobody ever tested mutlihead afaik
10:24
i' not even sure it works atm
10:24
<johnny>
well maasj will let us kow
10:24
<Gadi>
seems it should work in gutsy, too
10:24
<maasj>
FYI, Wikipedia links to this post about Xinerama going away: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-x/2007-November/000059.html
10:24
<Gadi>
just need xserver 1.3
10:25
<maasj>
What does Hardy have?
10:25
<Gadi>
1.4
10:25
iirc
10:25
<maasj>
Well that sounds like a winner then!
10:25
What's the relationship of MergedFB to xrandr?
10:25
<ogra>
maasj, feedback would be highly appreciated
10:25
<johnny>
unnecesary hopefully
10:25
i'm not using it
10:26
i have "one big desktop"
10:26
<ogra>
we dont have anyone in the dev team who ever tested it for ardy
10:26
*hardy
10:26
<maasj>
ogra: none of you have the pleasure of multiple monitors?
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<maasj>
I guess our lowly non-profit isn't doing so bad on technology after all! :)
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10:28
<ogra>
maasj, i have but my none of my clients has the option to add a second card ... and to be honest i'm not really looking after such extra features (as long as we have bigger probs like missing localapp support etc)
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10:28
<maasj>
ogra: we're just using dual-ported video cards. I don't have any 2-card setups.
10:28
<ogra>
hich doesnt men i wont happily accept patches to get it working :)
10:29
maasj, the clients i have here usually have everything on board ... i would have to get a second usb vga card or some such to even test it
10:29
(no PCI/AGP slots either)
10:29
<maasj>
ogra: Ahh, you've got real thin clients...
10:29
We haven't stepped up to the plate on that one yet.
10:30
<ogra>
well, real clients and virtualbox for all non HW related development
10:30
<maasj>
We've been given enough decent old PCs, but not decent monitors, so it's been easier to convince management to spend money on monitors than on terminals.
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12:19
<lns>
Q-FUNK!!
12:21
Q-FUNK, I'm hopefully going to be setting up my 6 new Koolu TCs with Geode chipsets today on a newly-upgraded Hardy install
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12:21
<lns>
If you need help/feedback let me know
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<Q-FUNK>
lns: just testing the new geode driver in my PPA would be nice
12:23
<lns>
ok
12:23
Is it supposed to work well ?
12:23
<Q-FUNK>
it should
12:23
<lns>
cool.. I have them hooked up to 20" widescreens
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12:23
<Q-FUNK>
the main question that ubuntu release managers have is whether this finally fixes it for real.
12:23
<johnny>
lns, send me one :)
12:24
<lns>
johnny, =p Not mine to give away, otherwise I would ;)
12:24
<Q-FUNK>
if it does, it would be aprpeciated for you to comment on the relevant bug number on Launchpad
12:24
<johnny>
call it a consulting fee :)
12:24
<lns>
Q-FUNK, most definitely
12:24
<gbolte>
lns what are they
12:24
the koolu that is
12:24
not the 20" monitors
12:24
:P
12:25
<lns>
gbolte, look here - minus the HDD: http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/Works-Everywhere-Appliance.html
12:26
<gbolte>
so its a $300 server?
12:26
<lns>
gbolte, no, a $199 thin-client
12:26
<gbolte>
$299
12:26
Koolu W.E.? Appliance with 512 MB of RAM
12:26
plus 80 GB hard drive and Ubuntu pre-loaded
12:26
I must be missing something
12:26
<lns>
gbolte, the thin-client version is $199
12:26
it's hard to find the thin-client on their site right now as they're "upgrading" it
12:27
<gbolte>
oh
12:27
<lns>
putting some CF in it for localapps i think
12:27
but the ones i have don't have any storage
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12:28
<lns>
For anyone who cares, also, I'm making an "Ubuntu LTSP Handbook:" for techs that are just getting started with Ubuntu/LTSP, sort of an introduction and quick-reference for common tasks and such
12:28
I'll probably post it to the wiki once it's finished
12:28
<gbolte>
lns so they are a fanless TC
12:29
<Nubae>
make a link to help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
12:29
<lns>
gbolte, yes
12:29
<gbolte>
ah
12:29
<lns>
Nubae, ok - will do
12:29
<johnny>
that'd be great to be on the ltsp official wiki
12:29
before linking to it
12:29
<gbolte>
hmm we paid like $250 for our TCs
12:30
<lns>
johnny, ltsp official wiki? from ltsp.org ?
12:30
gbolte, keep in mind these come from canada so the conversion is a bit off
12:30
plus shipping is pretty expensive
12:30
<gbolte>
ah
12:30
<lns>
One cool thing about Koolu is that RMS is one of the owners though ;)
12:31
<gbolte>
yeah our TCs are dual core AMD 64s with like 512MB ram and nvidia 7 series gfx onboard
12:31
and gigE
12:32
<lns>
gbolte, holy *$#@
12:32
why??
12:32
<gbolte>
cuz they are only $250 and you throw a hdd in them they are a full pc
12:32
<lns>
heh
12:32
<gbolte>
hah
12:33
<lns>
cluster them together and you have a nice LTSP server for a few hundred actual TCs ;)
12:33
<gbolte>
yeah
12:33
we thought about it
12:33
but openmosix is dead
12:33
:/
12:33
<Q-FUNK>
just imagine a beowolf cluster of these! (tm)
12:33
<lns>
Q-FUNK, =p
12:33
<gbolte>
haha
12:34
<lns>
Hey what are some common questions you guys get from people regarding ltsp?
12:34
<gbolte>
yeah it would be nice to actually USE the processors that are out there idle
12:34
<Q-FUNK>
come to think of it, combining LTSP with MOpenMosix would be downright evio.
12:34
<lns>
I'm trying to build a "common questions" section
12:34
<Q-FUNK>
pure evil, even.
12:36
<gbolte>
lol Q-FUNK yeah the ltsp project should resurrect openmosix from the dead and use it
12:37
just think of all the shared cpu cycles
12:37
:P
12:38
<Q-FUNK>
I think that was what one of the coreboot guys wanted to do with our thincan, actually.
12:39
<gbolte>
heh
12:39
nice
12:39
<Q-FUNK>
Ron
12:40
he started the coreboot (a.k.a. linuxbios) project and does clusters for a living
12:41
<gbolte>
sweet
12:41
yeah that would be nice
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<gbolte>
I think it would be cool if you could get ltsp to have an option to automagically use the TC CPU for extra computing power
12:41
heh
12:42
<Q-FUNK>
two nice ides to develop for an LTSP server: 1) run mosix on it. 2) run asterisk on it.
12:42
<gbolte>
not sure about astrix
12:42
but mosix would be good
12:42
:P
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12:44
<ogra>
there are people running boinc clusters for distributed computing and i heard about a project running distcc locally on the clients
12:44
<gbolte>
haha sweet
12:44
:D
12:44
<lns>
=p
12:44
<ogra>
such things are easy to do with ltsp5
12:44
<gbolte>
yeah
12:45
hell if you wanted to you could run folding at home on them or seti at home but it wouldnt really do anything for the performance of the sessions
12:46
<ogra>
boinc is the new name for seti@home :)
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<johnny>
lns, would be nice to have a section about the difference between windows terminal server vs ltsp
12:48
<gbolte>
ah shows how much I pay attention to seti
12:48
:/
12:48
<ogra>
they decoupled the software from the project .... and renamed it
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<lns>
johnny, got that =)
12:48
<gbolte>
ah
12:48
I see
12:49
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: that becomes a whole class of subprojects to itself
12:50
<ogra>
yeah
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: btw, did you end up skipping LT completely?
12:53
<ogra>
since there was no way for me to get there, yes, i had to
12:53
<Q-FUNK>
ouch
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<lns>
omg.. I can't stand this not-letting-me-turn-off-italics in OOo 2.3 =p
12:58
I don't want to upgrade to Hardy on my workstation as I'm going to be configuring an ltsp server for my office.. but ugh!
13:01
<gbolte>
:/
13:02
lns how many users in your office
13:02
<lns>
gbolte, just 2 right now
13:02
but i want to eat my own dog food, so to speak
13:06
<cliebow>
heh
13:08
<cyberorg>
gbolte, i'll try to find out what HP clustering is available in OBS if any and see how we can implement, icecream is one such project, but i think useful for compiling only
13:09
<gbolte>
cyberorg, nice
13:09
it would be good to recover lost cycles in some way
13:09
:P
13:09
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
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<alkisg>
guys, why is ltsp-update-sshkeys called on every if-up? (/etc/network/if-up.d/ltsp-keys) Isn't it useless since ltsp-update-image is not called?
13:18
(ubuntu hardy)
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<Egyptian[Home]>
hi .. i have an ldap server that creates /home/user for each user i add.. where do i disable this?
14:27
<Nubae>
hmmm... where is the ldap server¿
14:28
is it local?
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<Nubae>
and what distro...
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<alkisg>
johnny, any idea how long it would take dnsmasq 2.42 to be available for hardy? A month? Less? More? :)
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<johnny>
alkisg, probably never
14:57
then again.. i don't know what 8.04.1 is going to be called
14:57
<alkisg>
why? 2.41 is available now...
14:58
So if I want to use it, I have to get the .deb from Debian? or build from source?
15:00
Oh, you mean 8.04.1 may have a different name... OK, no problem with the name, if it has it, I'll use it.. But no backports for 8.04?
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<johnny>
vagrantc, i'm coming to the hackfest!
15:44
<vagrantc>
johnny: great!
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<johnny>
got the tickets now :)
15:48
<vagrantc>
LTSP hackfest is on the freegeek calendar: http://freegeek.org/calendar
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<lmckayjo>
Hey all, anybody doing ltsp5 on RHEL5?
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<ddelony>
I read about the original design for Plan 9 with CPU and storage servers kept separate from the terminal servers. I wonder if it would be possible to implement something similar with LTSP.
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<shogunx>
hi all. wondering if an ARM port was in the back of anyones mind...
17:27
<johnny>
it wouldn't be too hrd..
17:27
i bet
17:28
2 C apps.. the rest is shell
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<johnny>
anything else.. would be at the mercy of other packages being available for arm
17:29
<Gadi>
if I had a port in my arm, I'd make it USB :)
17:29
<gbolte>
johnny, what are you guys in gentoo land doing for cross processor support
17:29
lol Gadi
17:29
<johnny>
cross in what way?
17:29
Gadi, i will see you..
17:29
to haunt you forever
17:30
<Gadi>
how I would get an arm port in the back of my mind is beyond me
17:30
:)
17:30
<johnny>
you will be in portland?
17:30
<Gadi>
the land of ports
17:30
indeed
17:30
<johnny>
me too :)
17:30
<Gadi>
I set the dates :)
17:30
<gbolte>
johnny, like processors other than x86
17:30
:P
17:30
<johnny>
gbolte, it's still ambiguous
17:30
<gbolte>
heh
17:31
<johnny>
specific case
17:31
<Gadi>
you dont want to cross the ports
17:31
dont EVER cross the ports
17:31
<johnny>
that's streams gadi.. streams
17:31
didn't ghostbusters school teach you anything?
17:31
<Gadi>
good point - bathroom break!
17:31
<gbolte>
johnny, like power pc support
17:31
<johnny>
gbolte, for what :)
17:31
<gbolte>
lol
17:31
mac
17:31
hehe
17:32
hackintoshes
17:32
<johnny>
server, client, of same , or different archs, etc
17:32
specific usage case
17:32
then i can tell you
17:32
<gbolte>
say someone wanted to use ppc clients
17:32
and ppc server
17:33
<johnny>
that's no problem
17:33
<gbolte>
is that going to be supported in gentoo
17:33
<Gadi>
done
17:33
<johnny>
it should just work
17:33
<Gadi>
lol
17:33
<gbolte>
ah
17:33
ok
17:33
wasnt sure
17:33
what about mixing arches
17:33
<johnny>
the interesting case, is where your client is a different arch
17:33
<Gadi>
just because its not x86 doesnt make it cross
17:33
;)
17:33
<johnny>
but not different arch between x86 and amd64
17:33
but between amd64/x86 and EVERYTHING ELSE
17:33
<gbolte>
right
17:33
ok
17:33
I see
17:34
<johnny>
gentoo has crossdev which is a tool to build a cross compiler toolchain
17:34
and we'll use that to build the clients
17:34
<gbolte>
so if someone had a x86 server and ppc clients it prolly will not work then?
17:34
or it will
17:34
<johnny>
it can
17:34
<gbolte>
ah
17:34
<Gadi>
do ro do not - there is no try
17:34
<johnny>
i haven't automated it yet, but it should work
17:34
<gbolte>
ah
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<Gadi>
good. then there will be more people that appreciate "the rest is left as an exercise for the reader"
17:40
thats what you say in an engineering text when you put problems that you didn't work out yourself because they were too hard
17:40
:)
17:41
<Nubae>
lol
17:41
<johnny>
it should only be a few commands away... crossdev -t targetarch, tell portage to use that .. and wait. . done
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<shogunx>
i was thinking ARM devices as the client. given the low cpu/emmory requirement, one could make some very power efficient thin clients built on ARM or MIPSEL
18:45
<gbolte>
shogunx, yeah that sounds like an idea
18:45
:)
18:46
<shogunx>
less watts are a very good thing.
18:46
<gbolte>
yeah saves money
18:46
:)
18:47
<shogunx>
lots of money on solar power;)
18:47
every watt is costly when you pay up front.
18:48
<gbolte>
heh
18:48
<lns>
shogunx, and it'll just get worse as time goes on - energy is going to be as expensive as gasoline
18:48
err...electricity.. heh
18:49
<shogunx>
yep... leccy is not getting cheaper.
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<shogunx>
the only way to beat the prices on electric is to make your own, it seems.
19:05
<vagrantc>
shogunx: there's theoretical support for arm network booting in ltsp ...
19:06
shogunx: if someone had arm thin-clients to test, i'd consider enabling it for debian again
19:06
<shogunx>
ok. step one overcome.
19:06
i was considering to procure some various and assorted arm based soc systems with my next solart network sale proceeds.
19:07
to test out.
19:07
i would prefer to build up a board from scratch, but i do not have the resources for that yet.
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<vagrantc>
well, you can build arm packages out of the debian sources with 2 lines of patches that add them to the list of architectures to build
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<grahamsaa>
evening all
19:39
sorry to bug you but i have a newbie question
19:40
i've looked around in the docs and can't seem to find much information on the subject
19:40
do any of you know if it's possible to run windows thin clients that connect to an (ubuntu) ltsp server?
19:41
ideally i'd like the server to handle processing of windows applications for the clients. not sure if this is possible -- reason for it is that most of the users i will be serving have no experience with linux and aren't interested in switching
19:51
<Nubae>
its possible, but then its sort of pointless
19:51
and its not ltsp anymore
19:52
<shogunx>
call them lemmings and find other users, perhaps?
19:52
<Nubae>
indeed
19:53
they'd be connecting through rdkestop to a vmware/virtualbox session I guess
19:53
heh, imagine that, windows installed inside ubuntu and the box just sits there, windows being its parasite
19:54
eating up its cpu time and memory...
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<grahamsaa>
hmmm
19:59
well, i guess i'm stuck. i wish i could get other users or convince them to switch, but i'm a contractor and they sign my checks
19:59
<Nubae>
how about installing crossover
19:59
allows u to run windows apps inside linux
19:59
i bet if you dont tell them its linux, they won't even notice the difference
20:00
<grahamsaa>
maybe things have changed but some apps don't seem to behave well with crossover
20:00
like outlook (i've tried to get people off of outlook but when i mention switching i can see terror in their eyes)
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<Nubae>
yeah outlook doesnt work on crossover, though think the latest crossover has office 2000 and office XP working perfectly
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<grahamsaa>
nubae -- any idea if the pro version of google earth runs well under crossover?
20:32
<shogunx>
there is a native linux version, no?
20:32
<grahamsaa>
not pro
20:32
unfortunately
20:32
<shogunx>
difference?
20:32
<grahamsaa>
and we depend very heavily on it for gis data
20:33
pro gives much better detail on maps, and offers the ability to integrate user gis data into google earth
20:33
if we have one mission critical application, that's probably it, sad to say
20:34
(though i expect google will eventually offer it for linux)
20:34
<johnny>
ifthey offer the original... i'm sure they will offer the pro..
20:35
<Nubae>
should be no problem grahamsaa
20:35
what do use, what to use, cakephp, django or rails?
20:36
<grahamsaa>
?
20:36
with google earth?
20:36
<Nubae>
sorry, that was an aside...
20:36
<grahamsaa>
(we don't do much development, but we do a lot of mapping work)
20:36
<Nubae>
I need to build some websites and want to use a nice structure framework like ruby on rails
20:37
<grahamsaa>
i'm really not the best guy to answer that -- i don't do web development at all really
20:37
i know perl and some php, but i'm much more a sysadmin type
20:38
<Nubae>
me too
20:38
that's why I wanna use a framework, as little work as possible
20:38
<grahamsaa>
yeah
20:39
well, if you're interested in going with a cms i've heard good things about drupal and joomla
20:39
both should simplify things somewhat
20:39
but if you're looking for a framework for a static page i really don't know
20:41
<Nubae>
yeah I've used Joomla a lot
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but its too structured and big... need something small
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http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=1325
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<grahamsaa>
hmmm
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<Nubae>
looks like google earth doesnt work
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<grahamsaa>
yeah, i've found the same thing
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though there is an app called world wind that is open source
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just found it -- supposed to be a google earth alternative
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i guess it's worth a try, maybe eventually it will offer comparable functionality
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<johnny>
hmm
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<generic>
how can we mount local Hard drive in ltsp client
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<generic>
would it possible to mount HD to thin client??,i was searching it for 3 days but could n't found,plz help
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