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Channel log from 3 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:04
<sahil>
is there an alternative to sabayon?
00:07
<zodman>
a live cd to run beryl ?
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<sahil>
zodman: the user profile manager for gnome
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02:30
<gvy>
morning :)
02:31
rhombus, well we've got some compaqs
02:31
desqpro en sff with all onboard
02:32
pretty bulky (as two stacked notebooks) but with cdrom and floppy just in case, silent and have no problems with ltsp
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03:33
<ogra>
sahil, yes, but its still very buggy (pulseaudio hangs if you dont start it manually, streaming gets choppy if you move the mouse etc)
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03:49
<ogra>
sahil, in case you want to try it, there is a tgz under http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/sis7019-oss-driver_0.1.orig.tar.gz that builds agaist the latest ubuntu gutsy kernel
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03:53
<sahil>
ogra: i'm still using 4.2, is there a way to make it work with that?
03:53
<ogra>
there are several howtos on te ltsp wiki for 4.2 and that card, yes
03:55* ogra doesnt touch 4.2 so cant tell how good it works there ...
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03:56
<sahil>
i see, well ill keep fiddling for a bit
04:00
<gvy>
ogra, halo
04:00
<ogra>
hi gvy
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05:28
<hatter>
hi guys, i just installed the kernel headers on my ltsp server, (debian etch)(for vmware) and the vmware installer says the linux/version.h file is not there and that i should rebuild the kernel, is there a quicker way to fix this ?
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06:13* ogra dances ...
06:14
<ogra>
sound on the ebox works :)
06:14
even though its a bit choppy ...
06:14
<cliebow>
hooo1
06:14* ogra tries rhythmbox
06:15
<ogra>
yeah ...
06:15
volume control works as well :)
06:16
now i just need to package the oss driver ...
06:16
i wonder if our kernel team will beat me up for that since we dont support oss at all :)
06:18
<gvy>
ogra, there well might be udev problems with that
06:18
seen that
06:18* ogra reboots the TC to prove it works a second time as well :)
06:19
<ogra>
gvy, why kind of udev probs ?
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06:20
<gvy>
ogra, at least when folks had oss modules installed that was more often thet case of harder to debug problems when not
06:20
<ogra>
you need to force the loading of the driver anyway through a MODULE_01=sis7019 stanza in the lts.conf
06:20
it wont get loaded automatically
06:20
<gvy>
actually i asked to build oss modules some year ago and was somewhat responsible for that...
06:20
ah, then easier
06:20
<ogra>
it wont even get shipped in the chroot sinc e i wot be able to move the package to main ...
06:21
but it gives the opportunity to set it up after reading a howto :)
06:21
so you are not doomed to silence with that crappy thing
06:21
<gvy>
yup
06:21
<ogra>
if you buy crappy HW you should be prepared to have to do some manual work ;)
06:21
<gvy>
some CRAPPY manual work :]
06:22
<ogra>
yeah, well, i still have to find any worse HW than the e2300 :)
06:22* ogra doesnt think its worth the 80 bucks they take for it
06:23
<gvy>
did you ever see "radeon 9200" card displaying "radeon 9200" with bios and suddenly appearing as sis630 on pci? ;-)
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06:23
<gvy>
our chinese friends can do miracles
06:23
<ogra>
lol
06:23
no :)
06:23
<gvy>
windows dies with that, xorg will of course be happy still
06:23
or should i say "windows die" properly, maybe
06:24
<ogra>
heh
06:29* ogra tries his ipod on that thing
06:30
<ogra>
yay
06:30
:)
06:31
<gvy>
"it forks! wunderbar!"? :)
06:31
<ogra>
yeah, works ...
06:31
you shouldnt move the mouse though :)
06:32
the CPU is heabily loaded with managing all the traffic ...
06:32
*heavily
06:32
200Mhz isnt really great
06:32
especially if you have to process sound, video and network in parallel
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06:34
<Q-FUNK>
oki... Debian LTSP HOWTO updated.
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06:35
<Q-FUNK>
http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
06:36
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, are you sure "--late-packages ltspfsd" works ?
06:37
i'm not sure we append here but rather replace the LATE_PACKAGES variable
06:37
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: that part was not added by me. I haven't tried it.
06:37
<ogra>
(whic holds the kernel usually)
06:37
ah, k
06:37
<Q-FUNK>
I only updated and expanded the first half.
06:37
<ogra>
ah
06:38
<Q-FUNK>
among other things, the NFS defaults since Etch are different and it needed to be documented
06:38* ogra is happy we dont need that stuff in ubuntu :)
06:38
<ogra>
err, exports are set by the ltsp-server postinst or is that broken in debian ?
06:40
ah, no debian disabled that
06:41
and its done by a common plugin in ltsp-build-client, not by the maintainer script
06:41
cat <<EOF >> /etc/exports
06:41
# Automatically added by ltsp-server
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$BASE *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
06:41
EOF
06:41
invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload
06:43
Q-FUNK, you might just want to run ltsp-build-client with OVERRIDE_EXPORTS=True
06:43
that sets the default entry on debian it seems
06:44
that you have to fiddle so much with dhcp in debian s a shame imho ...
06:44
but thats how the want it *shrug*
06:44
*they
06:45* ogra is happy we dropped nfs in ubuntu ... no such probs anymore :)
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07:20
<Q-FUNK>
:)
07:21
well, personally, i'd like to see debian drop portmap and inetd, but that's just me.
07:21
ogra: but the nfs options used in your above example are outdated.
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07:35
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, i dont care, we dont use nfs in ubuntu anymore ;)
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07:36
<ogra>
and the options are not outdated, the default of the server chnaged if you dont set them ..
07:36
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: not even in Feisty?
07:36
<ogra>
so it spills a warning
07:36
Q-FUNK, from utsy on
07:36
*gutsy
07:37
<Q-FUNK>
right. something tells me that you missed the part about this being for Etch. ;)
07:37
I'm pretty sure that we're switching to ltspfs too.
07:37
<ogra>
the warnin should be gone with te next version, itsw only temporary thing to inform you that the defaults have changd
07:38
Q-FUNK, s/ltspfs/nbd/
07:38
;)
07:38
<Q-FUNK>
erm... yup
07:38
<ogra>
ltspfs is only for local devices :)
07:38
<Q-FUNK>
although oddly enough, debian installs that too
07:39
<ogra>
i'm not sure debian will do that move (and the nfs code wot be droppen, i just wont maintain it upstream)
07:39
its quite radical
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07:40
<ogra>
if debian wants to keep it i'm fine if they maintain the nfs parts :)
07:40
nbd has a lot advantages, but also a good bunch of drawbacks
07:40
i.e. you need to rebuild the image after changes to the chroot ...
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07:45
<Thumann>
hi, my X wont start if the interface is up.. any ideas what's up with that?
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07:46
<Thumann>
or, it starts, but it just starts up GDM and 'hang's with a loading cursor
07:46
<masus>
hi everybody
07:46
ogra are u there :)
07:46
<ogra>
masus, partially
07:46
<masus>
:)
07:47
i have install yesterday a fresh copy of xubuntu , and install ltsp 5.x
07:47
and after i boot a client i see loading linuz and loading initrd.img
07:47
and ready
07:48
at ready it stopped
07:48
<ogra>
which release ?
07:48
<masus>
:(
07:48
<ogra>
feisty ? gutsy ?
07:48
<masus>
xubuntu 7.04
07:49
<ogra>
hm that should work ... even though i didnt test with xubuntu ...
07:49
<masus>
which one do u have test ?
07:49
<ogra>
how did you install ? did you follow the QuickInstall guide ?
07:49
!ubuntu
07:49
<masus>
yes step by step
07:49
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
07:50
<masus>
first i have install afresh copy of xubuntu 7.04 after sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
07:50
and then sudo ltsp-build-client
07:50
after i make sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
07:50
<ogra>
masus, drop quet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default to see more info
07:51
<masus>
ok
07:51
<ogra>
*quiet and splash
07:51
<masus>
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
07:51
<ogra>
right, delete the two words there
07:51
then boot the client again
07:51
<masus>
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img
07:51
<ogra>
it should be very noisy about what its doing now
07:52
<masus>
ok i'll try please wait :D
07:52
<ogra>
Thumann, which distro ?
07:52
and which ltsp version
07:52
<Thumann>
ogra: ubuntu
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07:52
<ogra>
Thumann, did you chaeg the IP after running ltsp-build-client ? if so run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
07:52
*change
07:53
<Thumann>
ogra: 5.0 i believe, it has been working fine for some time, and now after a network crash.. this happens..
07:53
the server doesn't show up if i make a -indirect query to another ltsp server anymore, and the users just get a regular gray X screen if they connect
07:54
<ogra>
oh, you are using XDMCP ?
07:54
hmm
07:54
<Thumann>
aye
07:54
<ogra>
not much clue about that since we dont officially support it in ubuntu
07:54
ltsp-update-sshkeys wont help then ...
07:55
chack if GDM is set up properly for XDMCP is my only hint ...
07:55
*check
07:55
there is also a wiki entry anywhere in the ltsp wiki
07:55
!greyscreen
07:55
<ltspbot>
ogra: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
07:55
<ogra>
see that :)
07:55
<Thumann>
:) will try
07:56
<ogra>
whats the reason you use insecure XDMCP ?
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07:59
<masus>
ogra: now [14.511620] SELinux: Disabled at boot
07:59
...
07:59
....
07:59
[15.223806] Setting up standart PCI
07:59
and it's waiting again
08:00
<ogra>
hmm
08:00
looks like a kernel issue
08:00
what kind of HW is that
08:00
how much ram, what kind of CPU etc
08:00
<masus>
ok
08:00
<Thumann>
ogra: hmm.. no luck, everything looks fine, it's listening for connections
08:00
<masus>
asus m2n
08:00
1.30 GHZ
08:01
1.21 GB ram
08:01
<ogra>
the client ?
08:01
wow
08:01
thats a lot :)
08:01
<masus>
yes
08:01
:)
08:01
<Thumann>
ogra: It's just weird that it hangs if the interface is up on the console aswell, untill you stop gdm, bring down the interface, bring up the interface and then start gdm, then the console part works
08:01
<ogra>
weird
08:02
well, i wont be of much help here, i never really touched XDMCP since tsp5 started (2 years now)
08:02
*ltsp5
08:03
if the greyscreen wiki doesnt help i have no idea, sorry
08:03
<Thumann>
ogra: hmm, if i from the 'chooser' try to manually add the server, i get an error message saying that it didn't receive any response from the server
08:03
<masus>
ogra: can u helpme for the next level or i have to google :D
08:04
<ogra>
masus, likely a kernel option will help ... (you can add them to te pxe config where the quiet and splash keywords were ...
08:04
<masus>
hmm
08:04
<ogra>
masus, i'd test such things like nolapic or pci=noacip
08:04
<masus>
do u have write ltsp ?
08:04
<ogra>
parts of it, yes
08:05
<masus>
wow
08:05
great
08:05
<ogra>
actually we're three ppl caring constantly for it and a bunch of cotributors who occasionally send patches ...
08:06
i hope with more distros adopting ltsp5 we'll get more devs :)
08:06
<masus>
wonderful
08:06
i can develope also but not linux
08:06
:(
08:06
i will but it's tooooooo
08:06
:)
08:08
so i have only one more question, before 3 days i have test the ltsp with xubuntu 6.x but when the client boots up and brings me to a login screen,
08:08
I login with a valid username and password and things switch to a
08:08
black screen with an X in the center for about 10 seconds,
08:08
then dumps back to the login screen.
08:09
do u know what it can be ? is it a bug ?
08:09
<ogra>
nope
08:09
eiter your IP config changed so the ssh keys are wrong ... run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys in this case
08:10
<masus>
hmm
08:10
<ogra>
or you have sabayon installed (add every user to a profile in this case)
08:10
so the 2.6.17 kernel worked for you with 6.10 but 2.6.20 from 7.04 doesnt ?
08:11
<masus>
ok
08:11
thanks a lot orga for your nicely help
08:11
and have a nice day
08:11
<ogra>
thanks :)
08:11
<masus>
:) by
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08:32
<ogra>
jammcq, got it working, pulse starts automatically
08:33
(on the e2300)
08:33
<jammcq>
you be rocking
08:33
<ogra>
well
08:33
<jammcq>
can I get a copy of that driver source code from you?
08:33
<ogra>
sound is very choppy, the CPU load is way to high ... as soon as i start moving the mouse it jumps
08:34
but as long as i dont touch it i can even hera my music from the ipod fine ...
08:34
i'm trying to find a way get the latency probs done, but oss isnt really designed for devices that process everything in CPU it seems
08:35
<jammcq>
speaking of iPods, I was very impressed with feisty. I plugged my ipod into my laptop, and it worked great
08:35
<ogra>
yeah
08:35
<jammcq>
same ipod wouldn't work at all with the previous release
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08:35* jammcq can't even remember the name of the previous release :)
08:35
<ogra>
with the hal integration it should start rhythmbox automatically if you plug it in ;)
08:35
edgy
08:35
<jammcq>
yeah, that's the one
08:36
<ogra>
well, so sound wors fine for pling and ploig sounds on the 2300 ... but i wouldnt recommend it for listening to musinc if you want to do work as well
08:36* ogra needs new fingers or a new keyboard :/
08:37
<ogra>
i've asked in #pulseaudio about it, but no answer so far
08:37
oh, i just see that scotts new delayed mounter works, heh ...
08:37* ogra never tried that before with the new ldm
08:44
<ogra>
oooooh !
08:45* ogra just found the module-oss-mmap module for pulse
08:45
<ogra>
imilar to module-oss but uses memory mapped (mmap()) access to the input/output buffers of the audio device.
08:45
that sunds like it could help
08:46
"This provides better latency behaviour but is not as compatible as module-oss."
08:46
hmm
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08:47
<ogra>
lets see if its compatible with sis7019 :)
08:48
jammcq, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/sis7019-oss-driver_0.1.orig.tar.gz
08:48
only builds with the current guts kernel
08:48
you need linux-headers and build-essential installed i the chroot for it
08:49
i'll do a proper package for it as soon as its working flawless
08:49
<jammcq>
etyack wants to take the source and see if he can get it working with the 2.6.20 kernel
08:49
<ogra>
that might break
08:49
<jammcq>
sure, it might
08:49
and it might not
08:49
<ogra>
the .22 kernel in ubuntu odesnt ship any oss headers anymore
08:49
so it has them included
08:50
if you install that on a different kernel it will overwrite the modules
08:50
or build with wrong headers
08:50
<jammcq>
he'll figure it out
08:51
<ogra>
its based on the one from the ltsp wiki, i think he already touched that code so he should be familiar with it
08:51
<jammcq>
yup
08:51
<ogra>
my diff is trivially small :)
08:51
three lines iirc
08:52
you also need to manually load snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss for it to work (i use MODULE_XX for it)
08:53
ok, image rebuilt ... lets try module-oss-mmap :)
08:53
whats really impressing with the e2300 as bad as the HW is is that acpi seems to just work on it :)
08:55
gah -mmap doesnt work :/
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09:01
<ogra>
hrm
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09:34
<Thumann>
hmm.. i can't start gdm unless my eth0 is shutdown, any ideas why? if i try, it just starts X and waits forever with a spinning 'wait' cursor
09:34
<masus>
Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-premount
09:34
Connect: Connection Refused
09:34
Read: Connection Refused
09:34
...
09:34
NFS over TCP not avalaible from Server
09:35
:( :( :(
09:36
i have edit the /etc/hostsl.allow file
09:36
portmap: 192.168.0.0/24
09:36
rpc.mountd: 192.168.0.0/24
09:36
rpc.statd: 192.168.0.0/24
09:36
in.tftpd: 192.168.0.0/24
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09:36
<masus>
and Restart the nfs subsystem:
09:37
and at least NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"
09:37
to the default tftp config in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default.
09:37
but nothing
09:37
anybody ideas ?
09:38
<ogra>
ugh
09:38
<masus>
:)
09:38
<ogra>
why did you do all that stuff ?
09:39
<masus>
because = Connect: Connection Refused
09:39
<ogra>
right, but dont start randomly to change config files :)
09:39
<masus>
:)
09:39
<ogra>
remove all the stuff from hosts.allow (what made you think that would help ?)
09:39
<masus>
ok
09:40
removed
09:40
<ogra>
revert all other changes as well ...
09:40
<masus>
ok one mom
09:40
<ogra>
reboot the server and try again
09:41
<masus>
but before i do this changes i get this message : NFS over TCP not avalaible from Server
09:41
so ihave do the changes
09:41
exactly -->
09:41
Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-premount
09:41
Connect: Connection Refused
09:41
Read: Connection Refused
09:41
...
09:41
NFS over TCP not avalaible from Server
09:41
<ogra>
right, reboot the server and check if it works then ...
09:41
<masus>
ok i'll reboot
09:41
one mom
09:42
<ogra>
nfs sometimes needs a hard kick on fresh installed nfs server
09:42
<masus>
hmmm
09:42
<ogra>
i bet one beer it works after rebooting ;)
09:43
<masus>
ok
09:43
i'll send u
09:43
:)
09:43
one mom , will test and come back in 2 min
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09:46
<masus>
ogra: u have lost one beer
09:46
:)
09:46
connection refused
09:47
<ogra>
hmm
09:47
paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to the pastebin
09:47
!pastebot
09:47
<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:47
<masus>
ok
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09:48
<ltsppbot>
"masus" pasted "dhcp" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/202
09:48
<masus>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/202
09:48
<ogra>
ok, that looks default
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09:49
<masus>
do u want ssh access ?
09:49
<ogra>
nope
09:49
<masus>
:)
09:49
<ogra>
during boot you should see some IP data above the connection refused ... i.e. rootpath and rootserver
09:50
is the rootserver right ?
09:50
<masus>
yes
09:50
192.168.0.1
09:50
<ogra>
(must be the nfs server)
09:50
<masus>
i have only one server
09:50
<ogra>
do you see anything in the daemon.log abotu the nfs attempt ?
09:50
<masus>
192.168.0.1
09:51
Jul 3 16:42:44 ubuntu in.tftpd[4900]: tftp: client does not accept options
09:51
<ogra>
could there be any oter dhcp server in your network that the clients can see ? i.e. a DSL router with a builtin one ?
09:51
<masus>
no
09:51
<ogra>
weird
09:51
ps ax|grep nfs returns a bunch of nfsd processes ?
09:52
<ltsppbot>
"masus" pasted "daemon" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/203
09:53
"masus" pasted "nfs" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/204
09:53
<masus>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/204
09:54
and this is the daemon log http://pastebot.ltsp.org/203
09:55
<ogra>
that looks pretty broken i wonder what triggers the "nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 0 (Success)"
09:56
which nfs-server are you using ? "dpkg -l |grep nfs"
09:56
<masus>
1.0.12-4
09:56
<ogra>
which package .... nfs-kernel-server ?
09:57
<masus>
ii libnfsidmap2 0.18-0build1 An nfs idmapping library
09:57
ii nfs-common 1.0.12-4 NFS support files common to client and serve
09:57
ii nfs-kernel-server 1.0.12-4 support for NFS kernel server
09:57
<ogra>
looks fine
09:57
<masus>
:S
09:57
<cliebow_>
y
09:57
<masus>
cat /etc/exports --> /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
09:57
<ogra>
something is really broken in your system, i have no real idea why nfssvc freaks out here
09:57
<masus>
;(
09:58
<ogra>
yeah, the config is fine everywhere ...
09:58
but something disallows you to write to the kerels filedescriptors
09:58
*kernels
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09:59
<ogra>
did you play around with any nfs parts ?
09:59
<masus>
this is my 5. day and i'm /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
09:59
bushed now
09:59
no
09:59
i don't play
09:59
it's a fresh copy
09:59
<ogra>
well, you played (and broke) your hosts.allow
10:00
<masus>
only if is going something wrong
10:00
<ogra>
*with your
10:00
<masus>
oh one mom i have done something
10:00
sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
10:00
sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-common restart
10:00
sudo invoke-rc.d portmap restart
10:01
and servername ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC this -----> to servername,192.168.0.1 ssh-rsa AAA
10:01
i have 2 ethernet cards can that doing something ?
10:02
<ogra>
no thats fine
10:02
and restarting the services shouldnt break anything either
10:02
where did you change the servername stuff ?
10:03
<masus>
"/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts"
10:04
<ogra>
what made ou think you should touch it ?
10:04
(it doesnt affect nfs but will likely break your logins later)
10:05
<masus>
i do all changes back
10:05
<ogra>
right
10:05
dont miss any :)
10:06
<masus>
i have do one more change --> the gdm.conf -->>
10:06
[xdmcp]
10:06
enable=false to enable=true
10:06
rollback ?
10:06
<ogra>
we dont use XDMCP in ltsp5
10:07
<masus>
hmmm
10:07
<ogra>
so it doesnt matter
10:07
and wont affect nfs either
10:07
<masus>
ok
10:07
<ogra>
there is something wrong but i have no clue what, you must have changed more
10:07
<masus>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
10:07
here are the changes what i have do
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10:08
<masus>
but i have do all back
10:08
<ogra>
EEEK
10:08
thats crap
10:09
dont read that page ... wipe all info you got from there from your mind immediately
10:09
;)
10:09
!ubuntu
10:09
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
10:09
<ogra>
thats the only source you should use for installation
10:09
<masus>
ther is no /etc/ltsp.con
10:09
f
10:09
<ogra>
ThinclientHowto breaks a lot and is totally complicated
10:09
<masus>
is this right ?
10:09
<cliebow_>
EEEk!!
10:10
<ogra>
there is an /etc/lts.conf in te chroot
10:10
but dont touch it now
10:10
<masus>
hmm
10:10
:)
10:10
<ogra>
really, all you have to do is decribed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
10:11
if you did anything beyond it might have broken something
10:12
note that the lts.conf in ltsp5 is only used to override autodetection the whole system will work fine without it
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10:13
<ogra>
so dont touch it until you first logged in via a thin client ... *then* you can change it piece by piece if you see the need
10:13
same goes for any other stuff ...
10:13
if anything doesnt work, dont start to randomly change files
10:13
<masus>
hmm but realy first i have change nothing
10:13
and the clients was state at ready
10:14
so u have said me to clear the word splash
10:14
<ogra>
and quiet, right
10:14
<masus>
and quiet ,
10:14
after there was connection refused
10:14
so i don'T want to disturb u and have little googled
10:14
:)
10:14
<ogra>
right but you had changed hosts.allow ...
10:14
<masus>
after google yes ;)
10:15
<ogra>
right
10:16
<masus>
ok i have do all changes back and will test it again, if not i'll do install afresh copy again
10:16
so i can see
10:17
will come back and say u the result
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<ogra>
it might be that you need a reboot after the fresh install to make nfs work properly, but it should work then
10:17
many peope use it without probelms ...
10:17
and /me i'm talking to myself :P
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<masus>
:)
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<astinus-work>
Is there any way I can save the preferences for a user, like their preferred choice of DE/WM? We have several users, and the box is Ubuntu so it defaults to GNOME, but we do have 2-3 KDE users who have to keep picking it each time...
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<vagrantc>
well, only if you wait for a response...
10:36
<masus>
:D
10:36
ehuehue super
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<ogra>
heh, the e2300 is really funny ... with 1024x768 the choppyness of sound is a lot less
11:22
i bet it runs fine at 800x600 :P
11:23
<jammcq>
ogra: we're gonna recommend that people use the e2300 at 1024x768
11:23
<ogra>
wow, at 800x600 all stuttering is gone
11:23
<jammcq>
if they want higher, they'll have to buy a better workstation
11:24
<ogra>
i can even see tooltips without the music stopping
11:24* jammcq wonders what would happen if you weren't using vesa
11:24
<ogra>
i'm using sis
11:24
Xorg defaults to it
11:24
<jammcq>
oh
11:24
<ogra>
(i dont use a config, remember?)
11:24* jammcq was confuzled
11:25
<ogra>
it defaults to sis and sadly automatically the highest res my panel can display (1280x1024)
11:25
<vagrantc>
you poor, poor thing.
11:25
<ogra>
we'll need som xrandr calls in ldm :)
11:25
that will solve XMODE for ubuntu as well ...
11:25
<vagrantc>
oh, evil
11:25
<ogra>
we can make that optional if it distrubs you :)
11:26
bah, got choppy again
11:26
<vagrantc>
well, it's quite the hackish workaround ... configuring your resolution from your display manager ...
11:26
<ogra>
vagrantc, not at all ... i pla to do that for the keymap as well
11:26
must not be *inside* ldm
11:27
but both need to run after X is up
11:27
<vagrantc>
it's quite the hackish workaround, configuring your keymap from the display manager
11:27
<ogra>
not if you dont use any config file :P
11:28
<vagrantc>
how will it be implemented running GDM or KDM as a diskless workstation ?
11:28
<ogra>
there is either the option to use a partial config but that forces us to debconf again which i urgently want to avoid or to use setxkbmap
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<ogra>
i really prefer the latter as every configuring of X will cost us time again
11:28
<vagrantc>
yeah, sure.
11:29
<ogra>
and i dont want to loose what we have achieved
11:29
<vagrantc>
that said ...
11:29
how will it be implemented running GDM or KDM as a diskless workstation ?
11:29
<ogra>
we could have a wrapper for the X binary ...
11:29
divert it and have a script that calls xrandr and setxkbmap
11:29
after X is up
11:29
<vagrantc>
right
11:30
while still a little ugly, seems better than having LDM specific code
11:30
<ogra>
i find it quite elegant to do it that way btw ...
11:30
its what xrandr is for
11:31* jammcq is anxious to see what ogra will do when he encounters a monitor that lies about its DDC info
11:31
<ogra>
jammcq, X fals back t 800x600 afaik
11:31
<cliebow_>
smack it up side of da head 8~)_
11:32
<ogra>
i need to find such a monitor that supports a decent resolution
11:32
the ones i have that lie about DDC are vga
11:32
<jammcq>
what do you consider *decent*
11:32
<ogra>
more than 640x480
11:33* jammcq is finding it hard to work on anything smaller than 1920x1200
11:33
<ogra>
i still have one or the other 14" tube around
11:33
but everything else does DDC fine
11:34
jammcq, thats te reason why i made the change in ubuntu already and called for tests on planet :)
11:34
so we have time to revert or come up with something different in case i get to many bugs
11:36
i'm pondering to poke around with what "Xorg -config" produces though
11:36
<vagrantc>
it used to be slightly useable
11:36
<ogra>
but thats indeed again a slowdown we dont need if done differntly
11:36
vagrantc, well, we need to replace keymap and modes in it still
11:36
<vagrantc>
i'magine with the improved autodetection it would be a lot better
11:37
X -xkbmap FOO
11:37
<ogra>
well it produces good files here, i havent seen it fail yet ...
11:37
that works ?
11:37
<vagrantc>
X -xkbmap FOO -configure
11:37
don't know
11:37* ogra lols about the internat radio music ...
11:37
<ogra>
*internet even
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<ogra>
vagrantc, no option like that :/
11:43
<vagrantc>
ah well.
11:43
was present in xorg 7.1.0
11:44
<ogra>
7.2-3ubuntu3 here
11:44
7.1 didnt have the new xrandr and thus not all the autodetection stuff
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<mhterres>
hello guys
12:12
<cliebow_>
ho!
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<mhterres>
hi cliebow, how u doing ?
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<cliebow_>
just baack from vacation..in time to get tomorrow off 8~
12:18
)
12:25
<mhterres>
:-)
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<fil_>
hi
12:55
anybody knows how to let a pc with 3com 3c509 isa-card to work?
12:55
as a client.
12:56
I downloaded the image from a site , but it doesn't work
13:06
the ROM-O-MATIC one doesn't work!
13:06
<cliebow_>
fil_:
13:07
hmmm. it otter..does it do first dhcp but not second?
13:07
<fil_>
yes
13:07
no
13:07
<cliebow_>
so with isa cards you need to pass optionds to the kernel
13:08
it does first dhcp?
13:08
<fil_>
no
13:08
it stops before
13:08
<cliebow_>
this is on a floppy?
13:09
does the kernel load?
13:09
<fil_>
doesn't reach the dhcp server
13:09
yes floppy
13:09
<cliebow_>
floppies are pretty unreliable...ave you tried a few?
13:10
<fil_>
yes
13:11
first the pc read the floppy at boot saying something about: "starting pxe.."
13:11
<cliebow_>
so it is in truth trying to do pxe instaed of etherboot
13:11
<fil_>
and then it prints on the screen many lines of numbers
13:12
...and never stops!!
13:13
<cliebow_>
this in ubuntu? i think you may have to feed it the pxelinux.0 if it is trying to do pxe
13:14
<fil_>
I think my kind netcard it's not good for pxe, maybe
13:15
<cliebow_>
must you use isa card? they are prb not good for more than 20 meg networks
13:15
whoops
13:15
10 meg
13:15
<fil_>
no its debian, but the server is alright, I already tested it with a new client PC with integrated netcard.
13:16
<cliebow_>
i'll be back in a few..gotta run upstairs..
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<fil_>
ok, If you don't find me , I will use another nick "filorp"
13:30
..I'm going to try to update a kind of firmware from 3com named "MBA"
13:30
...to enable pxe capability on my netcard
13:31
<rcy>
3com MBA is what we use here
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<filorp>
ok I changed pc
13:42
rcy
13:42
you use 3com MBA?
13:43
<rcy>
yes
13:43
which does pxe
13:43
<vagrantc>
with isa cards ?
13:44
<filorp>
what kind of netcard are you using exactly?
13:44
<rcy>
vagrantc: oh, isa, hell no.
13:44
they are 3c509s built into some old dell mobos
13:44* vagrantc didn't know there were non-isa 3c509s
13:45
<filorp>
isa of course
13:45
<rcy>
lemme double check when i get down there, just heading out now.
13:45
<filorp>
but mine is 3c509b
13:45
<rcy>
i could very well be spreading lies
13:45
<filorp>
never heard about "3c509s"
13:46
<rcy>
i meant 3c509 plural
13:47
<filorp>
aaaa ok :)
13:47
<vagrantc>
me too
13:48
<filorp>
rcy
13:49
so you downloaded the MBA from the 3com website?
13:49
for your cards
13:52
anyway I'm going to try it
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<aaron|feldman>
hi all
15:13
hope everything is going well
15:19
<efra>
hi aaron|feldman, everything is going well
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<aaron|feldman>
hi efra
16:03
had given up
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<aaron|feldman>
bye all
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<vagrantc>
hrm. ltspfs requires actual backporting.
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<filorp>
who
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<chupacabra>
ping
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<MrMoo>
ok, how does one debug Gutsy X11 if the frame buffer completely disappears? :(
22:32
I've also noted good speed bumps on really slow hardware (Geode) disabling freetype and enabling the X11 backing store
22:33
the freetype might be due to traditional Chinese complicated characters
22:37
<chupacabra>
hmm
22:37
<MrMoo>
it took almost a year to get the thin client usable :O thanks to LTSP 4.2 !
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<rcy>
what is the difference between the 3 ltsp directories and kernels in /tftpboot/lts, in version 4.2?
23:08
just the kernel versions?
23:09
<MrMoo>
what are they?
23:09
<rcy>
drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1024 2006-04-17 06:13 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
23:09
drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1024 2006-08-11 19:29 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
23:09
drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1024 2007-06-01 14:55 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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<MrMoo>
different kernel versions in case something breaks I guess
23:14
I don't have the 2.6.20 in my tree
23:15
2.6.16 looks like LTSP 4.2 rel and update 1
23:15
2.6.17 is update 2
23:16
so its just to be compatible among the 4.2 release
23:16
<rcy>
hm
23:16
the -2 or -1 is the update?
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<MrMoo>
I would guess the -2 is a LTSP re-build of that kernel version
23:18
<rcy>
ah
23:18
<MrMoo>
so their packaging release number
23:18
<rcy>
do those kernels disable ide stuff?
23:18
i have a harddrive in a couple clients, but dmesg doesnt show the disks at all
23:19
<MrMoo>
no local devices by default I believe
23:19
the block devices take up a lot of space and time
23:19
<chupacabra>
why should it?
23:19
<rcy>
so i need to build my own kernel for those clients
23:19
<chupacabra>
disconnect them
23:20
the hd
23:20
<MrMoo>
space wise: there are oodles of disk devices, time wise: ide and scsi have "settling" times measured in seconds
23:20
<rcy>
i want to access disks on some clients
23:20
<MrMoo>
i think there is a page on the wiki ...
23:20
you can enable USB disk and CD fairly easily
23:20
<chupacabra>
rcy: worry about that later
23:20
<vagrantc_>
you probably just have to load the appropriate kernel modules
23:21
<rcy>
i have ltsp working fine, but we have a machine for wiping harddrives that i want to netboot... thinking about piggy backing it off ltsp
23:21
<chupacabra>
he aint even got ltsp it would seem
23:21
<rcy>
and possibly os installation
23:21
<chupacabra>
ahhh
23:21
thanks
23:22
what do you use for wiping?
23:23
<rcy>
dban currently, though im ripping dwipe out of it and planning to put it in a simple netboot system
23:23
<chupacabra>
and why do you need to wipe if netbooting?
23:23
<MrMoo>
rcy: ok here's a wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia
23:24
you need to add ""ide_generic" module and enable local devices
23:24
<rcy>
we have harddrives we need to wipe. we can boot off a floppy or a cd, but i figure we might as well netboot. then we can run dwipe or shred or whatever to destroy the data on the disks
23:24
<chupacabra>
just dd them all 0s
23:24
<vagrantc_>
well, that doesn't really destroy the data
23:25
<chupacabra>
whatever
23:25
<vagrantc_>
you need at least 4 passes of random data to have a real wipe
23:25
<rcy>
whatever... we still need to boot into a linux system to run $WIPE software
23:25
<MrMoo>
woohoo, I actually have the link at hand: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html
23:25
<vagrantc_>
freegeek has a setup very much like what you're describing ... network boot disk wiping system
23:25
<chupacabra>
this is not ltsp oriented
23:26
<rcy>
vagrantc_: re freegeek build stuff, you suggested asking on the startup@ list... still waiting to get the moderator to pass my subscription request
23:26
<vagrantc_>
it's still probably booting on lessdisks ... but
23:26
<rcy>
vagrantc_: i search the freegeek wiki, couldnt find info
23:26
<chupacabra>
i am paid to stay in scope
23:26
<rcy>
vagrantc_: who would i email at freegeek about diskwipe and build?
23:27
<vagrantc_>
rcy: email address you sent the mail from ?
23:27
<rcy>
rcyeske@gmail.com
23:27
<chupacabra>
man dd and do it 4 times
23:28
<vagrantc_>
badblocks works pretty well.
23:29
<chupacabra>
ya, but if someone comes in looking for ogg vorbis help what you do?
23:29
i know. you prolly tell em you are a orvis devel.
23:30
orbis
23:30
lololol
23:32
<vagrantc_>
rcy: your post should hit the startup list soonish.
23:33
<rcy>
er, maybe i wasnt clear. i havent posted anything, i just subscribed, and it said that my subscription was waiting moderator approval
23:33
<vagrantc_>
ah.
23:33
well, i did that then :)
23:33
<chupacabra>
oops
23:34
<rcy>
vagrantc_: ok thanks, ill start posting then :)
23:36
<chupacabra>
thats me
23:37
<jvin248>
Does anyone have any suggestions for a client that boots past running the vmlinuz+initrd steps and then drops to busybox and stops stating, "no tty: job control turned off"?
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<chupacabra>
i usually take a week
23:37
consider yourself luckey. heheheheeheh
23:38
jv: sounds like init has a problwm
23:38
someone can help here
23:40
<vagrantc_>
jvin248: definitely seen that in the past, but it's been a while ...
23:48
<jvin248>
I'm running LTSP on a Kubuntu 6.10 server. This client was working fine earlier but since replacing a DSL modem and adding the client behind a second switch it continues to stop here. A second client will boot from the same switch (but not consitently). DHCP is provided by the modem and the server has a fixed IP (I tried changing the server both authoritative and non-authoritative but no improvement). They are finding some of the
23:48
LTSP boot system (so routing seems to be working through the switches) but hang..
23:49
<MrMoo>
no NFS root because wrong DHCP ?
23:50
<jvin248>
how to check?
23:50
<MrMoo>
well the initrd needs to mount NFS on the server and the details are usually provided by DHCP
23:51
if you are using the DSL modem there are no LTSP settings in it
23:51
unless i'm mixing your config up?
23:52
DSL <-> switch <-> server <-> second switch <-> clients ??
23:53
LTSP has its own DHCP server
23:53
and the boot process generates multiple requests
23:53
so if you had DSL & the LTSP server on the same switch your clients could hang by getting different responses
23:54
<jvin248>
DSL - switch1/port1 - server then switch1/port2 - switch2 - clients (switches are chained)
23:55
<MrMoo>
sounds like the first DHCP request by PXE works but the second by initrd fails from the modem
23:55
you need to physically split the networks, or disable DHCP in the modem and used static IP
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<MrMoo>
not all modems allow you to disable DHCP though
23:58
so you might need a second network card and plug that into your client switch