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Channel log from 12 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<mathesis>
se vagrantc
00:59
hi vagrantc
00:59
how are you ?
00:59
<johnny_>
you never even replied to what i said
00:59
<vagrantc>
mathesis: alright, yourself?
01:00
<mathesis>
fine
01:03
i need point to sale to super market
01:03
<johnny_>
have you found anything ?
01:03
anything that might work that is
01:04
<mathesis>
nothing
01:05
<johnny_>
what are they missing?
01:05
you should write out your requirements
01:06
it seems like youd' have to either: buy a commercial solution, write your own, or fix up an existing project
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<johnny_>
the cheapest solution atm is to buy a commercial solution
01:07
obviously a more worthwhile cause would be the other two options
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<mathesis>
hi edgarin
01:14
hi zodman
01:14
<zodman>
:O
01:15
<edgarin>
hi mathesis
01:15
zodman, are you from México?
01:15
<zodman>
yeap
01:16
<edgarin>
zodman, I'm Edgarin from Guatemala :D!
01:16
<zodman>
jejej nos conocimos en enli edgar ( we knows on enli puebla)
01:16
<edgarin>
si, jaja xD!
01:16
<zodman>
we meets
01:16
is a english channel
01:16
<edgarin>
:P!
01:17
zodman, how are you?
01:18
zodman, I found a link of LTSP in Yucatan :)
01:18
<zodman>
fine here on my house.
01:18
yeah ?
01:18
is a simple web develop behind django
01:18
http://ltsp.zod.com.mx/ltsp/
01:19
<edgarin>
zodman, yes :)!, when I see you're photo, I say: "Ohh this person I know!"
01:19
jaja
01:19
yes, is this
01:19
zodman, funny photo: http://athena.divshare.com/s03/thumbs/2007/08/22/1684530/1684530-682.jpg
01:19
xD
01:25
<zodman>
yeah :)
01:28
<edgarin>
zodman, you install 10 terminals with 512mb of RAM?
01:29
<zodman>
yeap
01:29
with k12ltsp
01:29
im prefer a ltsp5 with debian
01:29
<mathesis>
K12LTSP its based in red hat?
01:29
<edgarin>
yes
01:29
<zodman>
but im need checkout it ...
01:30
<edgarin>
of course..
01:30
<zodman>
mathesis: it's rigth
01:30
with ltsp<4.2
01:30
is good for old obsolets 386 machines
01:30
<edgarin>
zodman, What programs runs on the terminals?
01:30
yes! :-)!
01:30
<zodman>
gnome :S
01:30
jejejejeje
01:30
<edgarin>
gnome??
01:30
xD!
01:31
<zodman>
yeap cosume all ram
01:31
<edgarin>
of course :P!
01:31
<zodman>
but on terminals only run's compiz software
01:31
gcompris
01:31
yeah it is
01:31
<edgarin>
ahh ok :)
01:32
all terminals with amsn running xD!
01:32
<mathesis>
you have installed ltsp to cyber coffe?
01:32
<edgarin>
the server is crashed!! :D!
01:32
<zodman>
:)
01:32
<edgarin>
mathesis, in past time I was mount a cyber with LTSP
01:33
<zodman>
and run quakewars client on it :)
01:33
is a joke
01:33
not true
01:33
<mathesis>
thanks edgarin
01:33
<edgarin>
jajaja xD!
01:34
zodman, nexuiz :P!
01:37
<mathesis>
I stranger my cyber ltsp
01:38
<zodman>
edgarin: are you test tcos ?
01:39
<edgarin>
zodman, nop!
01:40
<zodman>
:oooo
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<EXP2>
is it possible to use local scanner in ltsp5?
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<mcfloppy_>
yeah
07:38
a 2.6 kernel s running on my netvista n2200 8363EXX
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Does Google Earth can run over LTSP4.2?
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09:03
<outofrange>
I want to try and debug pulseaudio on the client. It's getting "Illegal instruction" on the client.
09:04
I installed gdb but the binary is stripped. Do I have to install a development environment into my chroot? I don't really see any other way.
09:06
<prpplague>
outofrange: generally speaking when you see "Illegal Instruction", that means the binary has been compiled for a processor type that is different that the one you are executing the binary on, i.e. you compiled the binary for I686 and you are running it on a i386 machine
09:06
<outofrange>
Maybe the wrong version ended up in the powerpc repo?
09:07
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav, hi
09:07
<prpplague>
outofrange: it was a binary that is in the repo?
09:07
<outofrange>
$ file /opt/ltsp/powerpc/usr/bin/pulseaudio
09:07
/opt/ltsp/powerpc/usr/bin/pulseaudio: setuid ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
09:07
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav, I'll talk about the ltsp at Latin American Free Software Conference
09:08
<outofrange>
Looks ok. And I can run pulseaudio --version and get the version on the powerpc client, so that's not it. Plus it works on newer powerpc IBook
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<outofrange>
Something specific to this older iMac client.
09:09
So, seems like I might be stuck trying to compile from source unless there's a newer version of the .deb available for powerpc.
09:09
<prpplague>
outofrange: there are different powerpc instruction sets , i would suspect that it is compiled for a newer instruction set
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09:10
<outofrange>
So maybe I could just grab the .deb source and build that on the older iMac.
09:10
Man, that would take forever!
09:10
It would also bloat my powerpc chroot a bit. Not sure if that's much of a problem or not.
09:22
Any problem with having extra packages in the $chroot other than taking more time to build the image?
09:23
<mcfloppy_>
what need a ltsp client kernel?
09:24
<outofrange>
?
09:24
<mcfloppy_>
i got the message: Kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to miunt root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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<xeph>
anyway to disable a network card when my thin client boots up? It has two and using the wrong one as eth0...
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<outofrange>
Maybe: ./conf/initramfs.conf:DEVICE=eth0
09:28
Just a guess (with the help of grep)
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<xeph>
will try
09:30
thanks!
09:32
it boots up, gets an IP, and loads the image, but then stalls when it assigns the eth devices to the network cards and tries to get an IP from a device that doesn't have a cable plugged in
09:33
brb
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<ogra>
outofrange, good guess, he would have to set DEVICE to eth1 in his case ... prob here is that then all his clients will try to boot from eth1 no matter if it exists
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<xeph>
nope - changed it to eth1 and still doesnt work
09:39
<ogra>
you need to regenerate the initramfs and mae ltsp-update-kernels put it into place if you change initramfs.conf
09:40
but as i said in #edubuntu already, all these chnges will apply to all you clients
09:40
i.e. if you force booting from eth1 the single NIC ones would break
09:41
<xeph>
ah
09:41
<ogra>
one option would be a script that generates iftab on boot and puts in the right values for eth0
09:41
<xeph>
the thing is - I edited iftab and assigned the devices to eth1 and eth0 and it still didn't work
09:42
<ogra>
is that ubuntu gutsy ?
09:42
<xeph>
no 6.06
09:42
<ogra>
oh, thats antique ...
09:43
<xeph>
:) We didn't have a need to upgrade.
09:43
we needed more thin clients and the only ones our suppliers had in stock were these dual nic ones
09:43
<ogra>
right, but HW detection was significantly different in ubuntu 1.5 years ago :)
09:44
<xeph>
should I just try upgrading and see how it goes?
09:44
<Gadi>
xeph: are you just trying to disable a network iface in the client?
09:44
disable in the BIOS
09:44
done
09:45
<xeph>
can't disable in bios - only allows disabling of primary nic and then it doesn't boot at all
09:45
<Gadi>
you have two onboard NICs?
09:45
<xeph>
gadi, yeah but upon boot
09:45
Gadi, yes
09:45
<Gadi>
then, there's a jumper on the board no doubt
09:46
<xeph>
It's a little packed thin client with a warranty void is broken sticker :(
09:46
the primary nic is a Via Rhine and the other is a RealTek RTL8139too
09:47
would just be great if I could boot of the RealTek
09:47
<Gadi>
well, if you have no other via rhine thin clients, you can blacklist the driver
09:47
and then reroll the initramfs
09:48
<ogra>
yeah
09:48
<xeph>
no I cant- the Via Rhine is what the thin client uses to boot of
09:48
<ogra>
another thing, did you just try to plug the cable into the other one ?
09:48
<xeph>
I have no other realtek's ... I think
09:48
<Gadi>
xeph: so blacklist the realtek
09:49
<xeph>
how do I do that? delete the driver?
09:49
<Gadi>
no
09:49
add a line to: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
09:49
then: chroot /opt/ltsp/i376 update-initramfs -u
09:49
<xeph>
ogra, I tried it but I get an Intel exited error when I boot up
09:49
<ogra>
then: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ update-initramfs -u
09:49
and sudo ltsp-update-kernels
09:49
<Gadi>
then ltsp-update-kernels
09:50
hehe
09:50
<ogra>
Gadi, youre no friend of sudo eh ? :)
09:50
<xeph>
okay - I have to swap switches to do this. Brb. Thanks guys.
09:50
<Gadi>
ogra: Im no friend to carpel tunnel
09:50
:)
09:50
<ogra>
heh
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<ogra>
sbalneav, so how do i commit to the branches now that you decided to move away from LP ? i thought we agreed to kepp the code under ltsp-drivers so we can use LP for ACLs
09:53* ogra also seems to not be able to find all brances now ... i got ltsp and ldm from the now location
09:54
<ogra>
but cant remember the others and there is no way to search them or read the code
09:56
s/read/browse/
09:57* ogra sighs
10:01* ogra gives up
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<Guaraldo>
Does someone know where jammcq is? I need to talk to him...
10:19
<prpplague>
Guaraldo: he's usually pretty good about responding via email
10:33
<mcfloppy_>
hmmm
10:33
i need help
10:34
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
10:34
VFS: Cannot oen root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
10:34
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
10:35
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
10:35
so that are the last rows of text from booting
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<outofrange>
When chroot'ing on the client what about /proc and other directories? I'm not able to install some packages because /proc isn't available.
10:46
<mcfloppy_>
can you help me outofrange
10:46
<outofrange>
Help with what?
10:47
<mcfloppy_>
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
10:47
VFS: Cannot oen root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
10:47
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
10:47
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
10:47
so that are the last rows of text from booting
10:47
<yopla>
do you have option root-path='/opt/ltsp' in dhcpd.conf?
10:47
<mcfloppy_>
moment
10:48
<outofrange>
yopla: what does root-path do in dhcpd.conf? I was trying to understand that the other day.
10:48
<mcfloppy_>
option root-path "/var/opt/ltsp/i386";
10:48
<yopla>
this is used by initrd
10:49
it is where is nfs root
10:49
<mcfloppy_>
or must i include the ip?
10:49
<yopla>
nope.
10:49
<mcfloppy_>
the other clients are running
10:49
<yopla>
ip is in next-server
10:49
<mcfloppy_>
at the moment i try to compile a kernel for my n2200
10:50
<outofrange>
But if using nbd instead of nfs then root-path is not used?
10:51
<yopla>
donno. nbd is for swap by default
10:51
what is n2200?
10:51
<outofrange>
In ltsp5? I think nbd is used for the chroot.
10:51
<mcfloppy_>
a thin client
10:51
<yopla>
ho ok
10:52
<mcfloppy_>
http://www.bluetrait.com/archive/2005/7/
10:52
i must compile a own kernel
10:52
i think there something wrong in the config file
10:54
<yopla>
which distrib do you use?
10:54
<mcfloppy_>
debian
10:54
<sutula>
mcfloppy_: Why does it need it's own kernel? If it does, maybe it needs it's own chroot.
10:54
<mcfloppy_>
hmm
10:54
cause the client want the kernel as elf executable
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<yopla>
ltsp-build-client doesn't work?
10:56
<mcfloppy_>
i run it once time.... for the other clients
10:56
these are running
10:56
<yopla>
OK I think there is something special to do with this client
10:57
<mcfloppy_>
yes
10:57
everyone says, that no 2.6er kernel is running
10:57
<yopla>
from there : http://linux-2200.berlios.de/
10:57
<mcfloppy_>
but now i found a special hack... and so it runns
10:57
but now is the next problem...
10:58
the problem i descriped above
10:58
<rafaelcardoso>
ltsp-build-client for me dont download all files and fail, how i can resolv this
10:58
<mcfloppy_>
rafaelcardoso which distro
10:58
<rafaelcardoso>
ubuntu
10:58
<mcfloppy_>
aptitude update
10:59
<rafaelcardoso>
yeah
10:59
<mcfloppy_>
what?
10:59
<rafaelcardoso>
test with 7.04 and updated to 7.10 and same error
10:59
error on debconf package
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<mcfloppy_>
hrhr
11:00
hmm i dont know what i can do
11:01
yopla have you some more ideeas?
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<yopla>
humm. I think you need special initrd for ltsp
11:03
<rafaelcardoso>
thanks mcfloppy_
11:04
<yopla>
as all mount scripts are in it
11:04
<mcfloppy_>
hmmmm
11:07
<yopla>
try this? http://osdir.com/ml/terminal-server.general/2003-02/msg00300.html
11:08
<mcfloppy_>
ive build the kernel on the server, not in the clients chroot, was this a mistake?
11:09
yopla but i need a 2.6 kernel for ltsp5 or?
11:10
<yopla>
no, not neceserly
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<mcfloppy_>
yopla i think ltsp need udev
11:11
<yopla>
humm, yes you'r right
11:11
<mcfloppy_>
:)
11:11
<yopla>
perhaps you should use older ltsp for this client?
11:13
<mcfloppy_>
hmmmm 2 ltsp installations?
11:13
<ogra>
ltsp5 only works with 2.6
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<mcfloppy_>
orga do you have an idea? ;=
11:13
:)
11:13
<ogra>
it needs initramfs and udev
11:13
<mcfloppy_>
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
11:13
VFS: Cannot oen root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
11:13
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
11:13
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
11:13
so that are the last rows of text from booting
11:14
<ogra>
what distro/release ?
11:14
<mcfloppy_>
debian
11:14
ltsp5
11:14
own kernel
11:14
<ogra>
how did you build that kernel ?
11:14
or rather where
11:14
inside the chroot ?
11:14
<mcfloppy_>
no...
11:15
in the root from the server
11:15
<ogra>
the initramfs needs the settings that are in the chroot
11:15
<mcfloppy_>
ok
11:15
i rebuilt
11:15
:)
11:16
<ogra>
copy initramfs and kernel into /boot of the chroot
11:16
<mcfloppy_>
ok
11:16
<ogra>
chroot into it and run update-initramfs -u
11:16
exit the chroot again
11:16
<mcfloppy_>
where can i find initramfs?
11:16
<ogra>
run ltsp-update-kernels on the server
11:16
<mcfloppy_>
must i run make install?
11:17
<ogra>
well, you should have one in the kernel packge you created
11:17
<mcfloppy_>
cause i need a elf executable as kernel
11:17
<ogra>
(assumong you used the deban tools like make-kpkg to build it)
11:17
<yopla>
make-kpkg is your friend
11:17
<ogra>
man, i need a new keyboard
11:18
<mcfloppy_>
ogra i build with the "old" way
11:18
i used make menuconfig and make
11:18
<yopla>
ogra: new fingers? :)
11:18
<mcfloppy_>
then i took the file arch/i386/boot/compressed/vmlinux
11:18
<ogra>
yopla, that would be an option as well ...
11:19
yopla, the disadvantage would be that new fingers wont give me a new laptop alongside ... i'm just looking for an excuse to spend money ;)
11:19
<yopla>
lol
11:19
<ogra>
mcfloppy_, thats not the compressed kernel image ...
11:19
<mcfloppy_>
yes i know
11:20
i need the uncompressed
11:20
but this is the right file
11:20
<ogra>
huh ?
11:22
<yopla>
mcfloppy_ : aptitude install karnel-package
11:23
<mcfloppy_>
yopla hm?
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<yopla>
it is to build kernels debain way
11:24
debian
11:24
<mcfloppy_>
yes i know
11:25
i do so now
11:25
<yopla>
make-kpkg --with initrd --........ un /usr/src/own-kernel-src
11:25
<mcfloppy_>
$ make-kpkg kernel_image --rootcmd fakeroot --revision meinkernel.01
11:25
hehe
11:25
<ogra>
mcfloppy_, the thing is that ltsp5 is all about using distro packages ... so none of the ltsp devs actually touches the kernel apart from blacklisting modules or so ...
11:26
<mcfloppy_>
ok
11:26
<ogra>
if i miss anything in ubuntu i ping the kernel team ... same goes for vagrantc in debian
11:26
all i need to do then is playing with configs ... but i didnt build any kernel during the last two years
11:27
what do you try to achieve with the custom kernel ?
11:27
its probably possible with the existing one without rebuilding
11:28
<yopla>
it is for an ibm thin client (2200)
11:28
<mcfloppy_>
hmmm
11:28
i need the uncompressed kernel image
11:28
<ogra>
oh, a netvista ?
11:28
<yopla>
yes yes
11:28
<ogra>
hmm, i still dont have such HW ...
11:29* ogra remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend ... seems we both forgot about that ... damned
11:29
<mcfloppy_>
hehe
11:30
<yopla>
it seems quite hard to put ltsp in it
11:30
<mcfloppy_>
next try to boot
11:30
i think there are many people who wait for a solution
11:31
damn...... same error :(
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<xeph>
ogra, Gadi: hey guys - blacklisting that driver worked
11:31
thanks
11:31
<ogra>
:)
11:31
<mcfloppy_>
i made a kpkg deb file and installed in chroot... then i updated the kernels
11:32
<xeph>
now I have another little problem :) I get to the ubuntu login screen, login and X dies and the login screen shows up again.
11:32
<ogra>
xeph, just dont forget about it if you once try to add a client with that HW ;)
11:32
xeph, that was dapper, right ?
11:32
<xeph>
ogra, yeah, lol
11:32
<ogra>
sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
11:32
<xeph>
ogra, dapper correct
11:32
<ogra>
then try again
11:33
<xeph>
okay lemme go try - brb
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<mcfloppy_>
ogra any more ideas with my problem?
11:33
<yopla>
for minimal x-client i install vnc4server then xterm
11:34
<ogra>
mcfloppy_, apart from knowing that many people didnt manage to make it work before you .... no ... i'd need the HW to fiddle with it
11:34
<mcfloppy_>
hehe
11:35
<yopla>
does someone know how to hide system menu in icewm? (/usr/share/menu)
11:35
i've tried with empty menu file without success
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11:40
<xeph>
ogra, hey. I updated the ssh keys and its doing the same thing :/
11:40
<ogra>
sshd is running ?
11:40
<xeph>
yup
11:40
<yopla>
What desktop do you have installed?
11:41
<xeph>
gnome
11:41
<ogra>
check /var/log/auth.log on the server
11:42
if there is nothing suspicious, check the users ~/.xsession-errors
11:42
<xeph>
I have - it accepts the password then opens a session for the user
11:42
<ogra>
sounds ok ... seesm the ssh part works then
11:42
<xeph>
okay, I'll try that. Brb
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<yopla>
What are the VARIABLES to Enable autologin with LDM?
11:44
<mcfloppy_>
damn
11:44
hrhr
11:44
<yopla>
i'm running edgy
11:45
<ogra>
yopla, no way for autologin in edgy
11:45
<yopla>
:-(
11:45
<ogra>
for feisty there is a patched ldm
11:45
in gutsy its supported by default
11:45
<yopla>
I should dist-upgre to gusty then?
11:46
or just the chroot?
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<xeph>
ogra, there's no ~/.xsession-error file
11:47
<ogra>
can the user log in locally on the server ?
11:47
<xeph>
yup
11:47
<ogra>
yopla, you need to upgrade both
11:47
the gutsy chroot expects things only the gutsy ltsp offers on the server side
11:48
<yopla>
aaargh!
11:48
<ogra>
both sides need to be in sync, else things might break
11:48
<yopla>
this is not really matter as the server only runs ltsp
11:48
<ogra>
xeph, i mean in gdm ...
11:49
<yopla>
I shoud do edgy->feisty->gusty ort gusty directly?
11:49
<ogra>
edgy->gutsy isnt supported or tested by the ubuntu team ...
11:49
so might or might not work
11:49
<xeph>
ogra, ah - the server is headless
11:49
<ogra>
edgy->feisty->gusty works and is supported
11:50
<yopla>
ogra: Thank you
11:50
<xeph>
any idea if dapper->gutsy is supported?
11:50
<ogra>
yopla, if you love the risk you can try the first indeed :)
11:50
xeph, nope, isnt ...
11:50
<xeph>
okay :)
11:50
<ogra>
dapper->hary will be, as they both are long term support releases
11:50
*hardy
11:51
but hardy wont happen before april
11:51
<xeph>
yet another reason to update regularly
11:52
<yopla>
ogra: what irc command to put wonder text?
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<ogra>
wonder text `
11:53
?
11:53
<yopla>
no like this one : "remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend ... seems we both forgot about that ... damned"
11:54
<ogra>
/me remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend
11:54
<yopla>
i'm quite irc newbie indeed
11:54* ogra remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend
11:54
<yopla>
ok cool
11:54
<ogra>
(without the space in front)
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11:55* yopla loves risk and tries edgy-gusty
11:55
<ogra>
dont blame ubuntu if it breas though :)
11:55
*breaks
11:56
<xeph>
any idea where X log files are kept?
11:56
<yopla>
i wont :)
11:56
<ogra>
for the X server itself in /var/log
11:56
for the X session in ~/.xsession-errors of the user
11:57
<xeph>
hmm and what if I said the are no X log files in /var/log :)
11:57
<ogra>
for the thin client X server in /var/log on the running client (in a tmpfs)
12:00
<xeph>
thanks ogra for all your help. I'm calling it a night. Thanks again!
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<ogra>
sleep well
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<ogra>
sbalneav, the Makefile as well as the directory structure of the ltsp branch on ltsp-org is totally broken ...
12:06* ogra curses lodly ... why coultnt it just stay on LP *SIGH* so i coult at least commit fixes ...
12:06* ogra gives up ... no new ltsp in hardy today then
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<^Migs^>
holy crap: http://www.glumbert.com/media/ridehell
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<lns>
Can anyone verify the functionality of the RCFILE_01 variable in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/arch/lts.conf ? I'm trying to run a script that used to fix the problem I have with headphone-jack-sense, but it's not running it. Running it manually works fine, however.
15:13
It just seems plain broken in gutsy.
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<vagrantc>
lns: grep RCFILE /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client*
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<lns>
vagrantc, can you verify exactly where I need to have the actual scripts, and how I call them in the variable?
15:18
Right now i have a script called /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix
15:18
and the RCFILE line in my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf reads:
15:18
RCFILE_01 = ipaqsoundfix
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<vagrantc>
lns: try /etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix
15:19
<johnny_>
it would be on the server?
15:19
hmm
15:19
<vagrantc>
RCFILE_01 = /etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix
15:19
<lns>
I'm pretty sure i've tried with that as well
15:19
<johnny_>
never would have guessed
15:19
oh ok
15:19
full path included
15:19
on the chroot :)
15:19
<vagrantc>
lns: well, i'm totally sure it's full path, relative to the chroot
15:20
<lns>
vagrantc, ok, well i'll try that again =) thank you
15:20
<vagrantc>
being that i wrote the code
15:20
<lns>
=)
15:20
I hope it's just that, i have to wait till tomorrow to try, today is a school holiday
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<vagrantc>
lns: are other settings in your lts.conf being respected?
15:20
<lns>
i <3 ssh/gdm vnc access though. =) just need an ip kvm for a thin client and i'll never have to leave my office ;)
15:21
vagrantc, yes
15:21
<vagrantc>
i've set up remote thin clients using a serial console before
15:21
<lns>
ooo, spicy
15:21
<johnny_>
i hadn't had luck with an external lts.conf tho :(
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<lns>
serial doesn't do much for graphical sessions though ,right?
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<vagrantc>
lns: no, no graphical sessions
15:22* johnny_ thinks about local apps again
15:22
<johnny_>
i wonder..
15:22
<vagrantc>
but i can at least see that it boots and what processes are running
15:22
poke at log files, etc...
15:22
<johnny_>
if there was an easier way to enable local apps per client, in case of a crazy mixed env
15:23
<vagrantc>
johnny_: it's in progress
15:23
<lns>
that's a good idea vagrantc ... after it boots graphically you can always use thin-client-manager i guess
15:23
<vagrantc>
i got my hands on a machine that supports serial console ... once in a while you get a kernel panic and you have to get someone to manually reboot it, though.
15:24
<lns>
btw, does thin-client-manager use vino (I.E. does a user have to be logged in)?
15:24
<vagrantc>
but even machines without built-in serial console aren't too hard to set up.
15:24
<lns>
that would be nice, because most all of my thin clients are the same hardware
15:24
<johnny_>
vagrantc, can you verify if the solution mentioned here is the proper one ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/160420
15:24* vagrantc doesn't know much about thin-client-manager
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<johnny_>
or if it will cause any problems
15:25
<lns>
OT: Just for fun, today i tried booting my new asus eee pc via ltsp...didn't work, couldn't find eth0 after it loaded the kernel :(
15:26
<johnny_>
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.general/22270
15:26
that's the actual linked post
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<vagrantc>
johnny_: having read that URL and most of the links, i don't really see a proposed solution ... ?
15:33
though i don't really know what's broken, so i couldn't really say what was right or wrong. i'd have to reproduce the bug myself.
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<vagrantc>
johnny_: ah, the gmane post ... yes, that looks about right.
15:36
johnny_: looks like the same issue as: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2007-November/001095.html
15:38
hmm... i'm going to have a hard time testing this stuff in the next 4 weeks
15:38
<johnny_>
vagrantc well i pointed out the bug, so you'd get some context to the linked gmame post
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<johnny_>
i was getting no local devices working
15:39
so.. this should be a good temp fix for me
15:39
i will attempt to apply it tonight
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<Q-FUNK>
re
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: heya
18:15
jammcq: wondering what would be good realease goals/roadmaps for the tarball/tag releases for ltsp and such
18:15
<jammcq>
umm
18:15
umm
18:15
<vagrantc>
heh
18:15
<jammcq>
let's get scotty in on that, and prolly ogra
18:15
<vagrantc>
sure, sure.
18:15
probably best to do via ltsp-developer
18:16
<jammcq>
yeah, warren has been asking that we do developer communications via that list
18:16
which is fine with me
18:16
although I prefer the real-time nature of irc
18:16
<vagrantc>
i think i've got ldm and ltsp building for debian with the new sources, shouldn't be too hard to get jetpipe and ltspfs
18:17
<jammcq>
nice
18:17
<vagrantc>
jammcq: i can see the importance of using the mailing list, to at least summarize discussions of important issues
18:17
that way there's at least an archive of what happened
18:17
<jammcq>
yeah, the list lives in archives, which is good
18:19
<vagrantc>
i'm really happy to finally see LDM split out... the ltsp portion of the sources is 100-200k now, and can be updated independently of ldm
18:19
<jammcq>
great
18:19
<vagrantc>
though all the ubuntu themes comprise 75% of the current LDM sources
18:20
which is about 2.2MB with .tar.gz
18:27
<ogra>
vagrantc, could we please drop the dist dir
18:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: ?
18:28
<jammcq>
ogra: hey, you back home now?
18:28
<ogra>
jammcq, yep
18:28
vagrantc, didnt you use scotts branch from ltsp.org ?
18:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes
18:29* ogra is still bitter we dont use ltsp-drivers as agreed, i'd love to commit stuff :/
18:29
<jammcq>
why don't we use ltsp-drivers?
18:29
<ogra>
jammcq, no idea
18:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: you don't like all the code in dist ? i tend to agree, but i wasn't involved in why it was done that way...
18:29
<ogra>
all i know is that th current code is on ltsp.org
18:29
so i cant commit
18:29
<jammcq>
ok, but can't ltsp-drivers be setup on ltsp.org?
18:29
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's an awful place for LTSP code :P
18:30
<ogra>
the idea of ltsp-drivers was to have ACLs for a team that can commit
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<jammcq>
does ltsp-drivers == commit-access ?
18:30
<ogra>
so we can work collaborative on the code
18:30
yes
18:30
<jammcq>
hmm
18:31
well, ltsp.org is where it's at. let's figure out how to permit commit access
18:33
<ogra>
vagrantc, instead of having dist and cp'ing the code around in the makefile i think we should drop dist and move the code back up one level and just do a proper bzr export (like in the bzr-release target in rules)
18:33
<vagrantc>
ogra: i concur.
18:33
<ogra>
debian should go in its own branch ...
18:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: but i had *nothing* to do with deciding on dist
18:34
<jammcq>
nothing is cast in stone. if moving dist helps, lets move it
18:34
<ogra>
jammcq, its useless and doesnt look very pretty
18:35
<jammcq>
you mean dist where it is?
18:35* ogra tries hard to not say ugly ....
18:35
<ogra>
jammcq, do you have the current branch ?
18:35
<jammcq>
no
18:35
umm, maybe
18:35* ogra sighs he cant show it quickly on LP
18:36
<jammcq>
if moving dist makes sense, lets move it
18:36
<ogra>
that branch should at least be mirrored ... i'm missing my tools :)
18:36
removing
18:38
pull the code in dist up one level ... remove the debian dir, fix the makefile to do bzr export --format=tgz; bzr export --format=tbz2
18:38
;)
18:38
saves half of the Makefile scripting
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<ogra>
creates tar.gz and tar.bz2 and is way cleaner ....
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<ogra>
debian/ goes in its own branch ...
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<vagrantc>
ogra: sounds like you and otavio and i are largely on the same page ...
18:44
i just posted to ltsp-developer, if y'all want to add some comments on this
18:44
<ogra>
well, i like the idea of just merging upstream+debian-dir branches
18:44
and warren gets his tarballs
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18:49* vagrantc looks forward to using tarballs as well
18:54
<johnny_>
anybody else here use dnsmasq over the standard dhcpd ?
18:54
for tftp/dns/dhcp
18:56
<vagrantc>
it does tftp too ?
18:56
i've used it for DNS and DHCP in the past ...
18:56
<johnny_>
yes it does
18:56
it works here
18:56
pretty neat huh
18:56
<vagrantc>
what version?
18:56
<johnny_>
uhmm.. whatever is in ubuntu for the past 6 months?
18:57
lemme check
18:57
need to learn how to query apt for that kinda info
18:57
<vagrantc>
2.39 is in gutsy
18:57
apt-cache policy dnsmasq
18:58
<johnny_>
2.39-1
18:58
i had it working with feisty too
18:58
and perhaps edgy
18:58
<vagrantc>
looks like debian builds it without tftp support
18:58
<johnny_>
the info says it has tftp..
18:58
<ogra>
likely only synced by MOTU
18:59
<johnny_>
reminds me why i use gentoo at home :)
18:59
<ogra>
it has no ubuntuX version
18:59
should be identical to the debian package
18:59
<vagrantc>
so 2.40-1 in hardy will also likely not have tftp support
18:59
<johnny_>
it says this
18:59
nfigured either in each host or
18:59
in a central configuration file. Dnsmasq supports static and dynamic
18:59
DHCP leases and BOOTP/TFTP for network booting of diskless machines.
18:59
oops.. only meant the last sentence to copy
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<vagrantc>
yes, but debian disables the tftp support
19:00
http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dnsmasq/dnsmasq_2.40-1/changelog
19:00
well ...
19:00
maybe i'm misreading it
19:00
maybe it's not disabled by default, they just make it possible to disable
19:01
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/
19:01
ubuntu uses only the debian package ... no ubuntu additions in that changelog
19:02* vagrantc wonders if it has all the features needed for PXE
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<johnny_>
oops.. thougth i was using it, somehow some other tftp client got installed
19:02
:(
19:02
yes it is supposed to
19:02
why is it disabled tho?
19:02
it makes no sense
19:02
i had it working on another distro with dnsmasq, looks like some other thing got installed instead on this one
19:02
guess i'll have to roll my own deb
19:03
<ogra>
ask the maintainer or check the upstream changelog
19:03
<johnny_>
uggh
19:03
evil debian
19:03
<ogra>
probably it was disabled upstream
19:03
<johnny_>
i would doubt it
19:03
<vagrantc>
i'm not convinced it's disabled
19:03
<ogra>
the maintainer apprently doesnt like to list upstream changes in the package changelog
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<vagrantc>
i think i misread, i think it actually is enabled by default, they just added an option to disable it during package build-time
19:05
<johnny_>
aha.. well this would have helped.. new feature in 2.40
19:05
on't set REUSEADDR on TFTP listening socket. There's no
19:05
need to do so, and it creates confusing behaviour when
19:05
inetd is also listening on the same port. Thanks to Erik
19:05
Brown for spotting the problem.
19:06
uggh
19:06
ok sorry
19:06
i'll reformat next time so it fits on two lines :(
19:06
that is the problem i'm having with some installed tftp conflicting, at least now i know where it comes from.. inetd
19:06
which i never use on any other server i have
19:07
yay.. stupid inetd
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<johnny_>
ok.. testing to verify
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<johnny_>
success
19:22
yay.. ok tftp works for sure
19:22
via dnsmasq that is
19:23
<ogra>
i should add a "or" dependency then so ou can install it without inetd
19:23* ogra makes a note ...
19:25
<johnny_>
the normal tftpd you mean?
19:25
<ogra>
we only depend on tftpd-hpa currently
19:25
<johnny_>
well yeah that
19:25
well other things use inetd
19:25
<ogra>
tftpd-hpa | dnsmasq might help
19:25
<johnny_>
hehe
19:28
ldminfod,nbdrootd,nbdswapd
19:28
they all use inetd
19:28* johnny_ is learning far more about ltsp than he expected
19:29
<johnny_>
maybe cuz i keep pushing the envelope :)
19:35
<ogra>
:)
19:36
<jammcq>
ogra: you still living on EST ?
19:36
<ogra>
nope
19:36
at least i'm not supposed to :P
19:37* ogra hears grumbling sounds from the bed
19:38
<ogra>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-November/129263.html
19:38
intresting use of nbd :)
19:40
i bet it would work ... just not really performant if you do i RW i guess
19:40
*it RW
19:44
ok, i'll go and fight the jetlag ...
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night
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<kwak>
anyone who can assist in updating my openoffice installation to the latest. I'm using K12LTSP 5EL
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<warren>
ogra, what directory is Edubuntu using instead of /tftpboot now?
21:39
ogra, what about the location where chroots are installed?
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<jammcq>
I think tftp is /var/lib/tftp
21:39
and the chroots are still /opt I think
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<barbara>
ogra, you on?
21:46
i had a question about ltsp and compiz. I am running gutsy and chrooted into ltsp dir installed nvidia drivers and when i try to enable compiz I get "No whitelisted driver found"
21:48
also when i boot my clients they will give me invalid username or password most of the time but if open shell tty and ping my server 10.0.0.1 they will log in fine... any ideas?
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